Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com
 
Go Back   Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com > Detroit Pistons > NBA Stuff
Forums Home Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

NBA Stuff If it is about the other teams, the league, post it here.

Discuss: The 10 worst free agent moves of a year ago at Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com

2) Nazr Mohammed, Detroit Pistons -- 4 years, $25 million When Ben Wallace departed Detroit for Chicago, the Pistons thought they ...

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 07-16-2007, 09:12 PM
mikhail1973's Avatar
mikhail1973 mikhail1973 is offline
Contributor
 
Last Online: 11-20-2008 09:29 PM
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Santa Clara, CA
Posts: 5,895

The 10 worst free agent moves of a year ago

Quote:
2) Nazr Mohammed, Detroit Pistons -- 4 years, $25 million
When Ben Wallace departed Detroit for Chicago, the Pistons thought they had their replacement in the 6-10 Mohammed. The former San Antonio big man struggled mightily averaging just 5.6 points and 4.5 rebounds per game before being banished to the end of the bench after Chris Webber was signed in mid-January. With the emergence of Jason Maxiell and Amir Johnson in the Pistons' frontcourt, Mohammed is not likely to see much playing time next season either, but he'll still be collecting nearly $20 million for his (lack of) effort over the next three years.
We're not the only one thinking that that was a bad deal. Read on for more in the article.
NBA: Find Professional Basketball News, Videos and Photos Online | NBCSports.com
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 07-16-2007, 09:18 PM
roscoe36's Avatar
roscoe36 roscoe36 is offline
Forum Leader
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Canada is like North Detroit
Posts: 12,748

Re: The 10 worst free agent moves of a year ago

It's nice to see Flip Murray did not make the list. Sure he doesn't make much, but the writer still saw fit to attack the Bonzi signing, which was for a total of $5 million over 2 years, or in other words, PEANUTS.
__________________
Momma was queen of the mambo, Poppa was king of the congo, deep down in the jungle, I start banging my first bongo
Every monkey like to be, in my place instead of me, cause I'm the king of bongo baby, I'm the king of bongo bong
-Manu Chao
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 07-16-2007, 09:20 PM
MotownPride's Avatar
MotownPride MotownPride is offline
Contributor
 
Last Online: Today 06:18 PM
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 2,674

Re: The 10 worst free agent moves of a year ago

Quote:
Originally Posted by roscoe36 View Post
It's nice to see Flip Murray did not make the list. Sure he doesn't make much, but the writer still saw fit to attack the Bonzi signing, which was for a total of $5 million over 2 years, or in other words, PEANUTS.
Yeah, but he cited Bonzi's locker room cancer not the contract.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 07-17-2007, 04:35 PM
crumbs's Avatar
crumbs crumbs is offline
Member+
 
Last Online: Today 08:55 AM
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 61

Re: The 10 worst free agent moves of a year ago

I'd pick the Stojakovic signing as the worst.

-He'll be 34 by the end of that contract.

-Has been injury prone the last several years

-Relatively one dimensional shooter;cannot create his own shot, awful defender, not much of a passer

-Has a history of being terrible in the playoffs

-Still has 4 years, 54 million on his contract

NOR could have picked up a younger shooter for much less. Even if Stojakovic stays healthy, his production probably won't live up to his contract.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 07-17-2007, 05:29 PM
basketbills's Avatar
basketbills basketbills is offline
Contributor
 
Last Online: Today 05:57 PM
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,758
Re: The 10 worst free agent moves of a year ago

If we didn't sign Nazr it would have been Przybilla and he made the list too. And there were a lot of folks who wanted Mike James and he made the list too.


One way or another we were going to get stuck with a poor choice.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 07-17-2007, 05:48 PM
The Low's Avatar
The Low The Low is offline
Contributor
 
Last Online: Today 06:59 PM
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,960

Re: The 10 worst free agent moves of a year ago

I told you guys we would regret that Nazr deal. We can't even unload that garbage 'tract cause no one wants the guy....ESPECIALLY at that money. Even if people thought we would have had to trade because RE: him and Flip butting heads, we could have hijacked a ton of talent from another team in return instead of getting nothing

I would have much rather had Ben at 4 years $52 Mil...which I think was entirely possible judging from the $48 we offered...and I seriously doubt we would have made this list. CHI front loaded his deal and if we were so worried about him "losing a step" as the ABB suggests, we could have done the same.

Just think...no one running away from Lebron James as he drives to the basket with the game on the line.
__________________

~ PistonsForum.com Audio Podcast ~
Listen Now: HERE or iTunes

Last edited by The Low : 07-17-2007 at 05:51 PM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 07-17-2007, 06:17 PM
TaShawn's Avatar
TaShawn TaShawn is offline
Contributor
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Chicaaago
Posts: 6,484

Re: The 10 worst free agent moves of a year ago

I would add Ben Wallace to the list.

Here is why.
  • They paid him $15.5M last year
  • His FG% went down by 57 bases points
  • His FT shooting fell to .408
  • Points down 12%
  • Rebounds down 5%
  • Blocks down 9%
  • Steals down 22%
  • Turnovers UP 22%
  • They fared better when he was on the bench than when he was on the floor (in terms of scoring more than the other team).
  • When he was on the floor, their FG% was 1.5% worse
  • When he was on the floor, their allowed FG% was 3.7% worse.
They didn't get what they overpaid for. And they lost to us in the post season.
__________________
"Will was rolling, wasn't he? I roll with the guy that's hot." MC

Last edited by TaShawn : 07-17-2007 at 06:18 PM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 07-17-2007, 06:27 PM
The Low's Avatar
The Low The Low is offline
Contributor
 
Last Online: Today 06:59 PM
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,960

Re: The 10 worst free agent moves of a year ago

Quote:
Originally Posted by TaShawn View Post
...And they lost to us in the post season.
Talk to me when CHI has a roster with the talent equivalent to Billups, Hamilton, Prince, Sheed, McDyess, Delfino, & Maxiell

That's like saying apples do a better job of being apples than oranges do. CHI doesn't have the full talent on their roster as we did. There's no way you can say they didn't get their money's worth because it's not like they had the same level of players. If they had the same level of players that we did, they would have beat our arses. We couldn't even beat CLE without Ben. At least WITH Ben we could be the CAVS.

And, you can talk about scoring more than the other team all you want, but when you can't stop the other team from scoring at will (a la Lebron going to the hole untouched) you will lose. He helps that team, just like he helped our team and for the most part, he was the reason they stayed in games with us because half their roster failed to show up in our series. If citing offensive numbers for a defensive player makes people feel better about it, so be it. The guy has NEVER been an offensive player in his career, but it's awfully convenient that offense is the determining factor for everyone claiming he's worthless. Last time I checked, Ben Wallace wasn't Ben Wallace because he avg. 20 ppg and shot 98% from the line.

I'd happily have his 13 MIL on our salary cap in order to see Lebron's layups and dunks tossed back down his throat.
__________________

~ PistonsForum.com Audio Podcast ~
Listen Now: HERE or iTunes

Last edited by The Low : 07-17-2007 at 06:33 PM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 07-17-2007, 06:41 PM
TaShawn's Avatar
TaShawn TaShawn is offline
Contributor
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Chicaaago
Posts: 6,484

Re: The 10 worst free agent moves of a year ago

Their defense was better when Ben Wallace was on the bench too. I thought I pointed that out.

I don't think the rest of the Bulls roster is as bad as you think it is. There was a pretty good debate going on heading into our series with Chicago about how we matched up with them position for position. And don't forget that even if we had a slight talent advantage, we were being coached by a moron... and we still won.

Low, I really like Ben Wallace. I root for the Bulls when they aren't playing the Pistons. But I think the Bulls would have been better off keeping Tyson Chandler for 2/3 the cost.

And I will admit that the Pistons may have been better with Ben... but I'm not sure we would have been good enough, and the salary ramifications are something to consider.
__________________
"Will was rolling, wasn't he? I roll with the guy that's hot." MC
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 07-17-2007, 07:09 PM
The Low's Avatar
The Low The Low is offline
Contributor
 
Last Online: Today 06:59 PM
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,960

Re: The 10 worst free agent moves of a year ago

Quote:
Originally Posted by TaShawn View Post
Their defense was better when Ben Wallace was on the bench too. I thought I pointed that out.

I don't think the rest of the Bulls roster is as bad as you think it is. There was a pretty good debate going on heading into our series with Chicago about how we matched up with them position for position. And don't forget that even if we had a slight talent advantage, we were being coached by a moron... and we still won.

Low, I really like Ben Wallace. I root for the Bulls when they aren't playing the Pistons. But I think the Bulls would have been better off keeping Tyson Chandler for 2/3 the cost.

And I will admit that the Pistons may have been better with Ben... but I'm not sure we would have been good enough, and the salary ramifications are something to consider.
I just don't see how it would have been a factor given our record with FA's and Drafties. We haven't done ourselves any favors with the the apparent "FA Money" we have and we just gave Billups the same kind of money without blinking, or without making any excuses of "losing a step," "being a malcontent," even though being cocky and having a lack of overall effort has been present for two seasons.

We've spend our FA money on cats like Half Price and Flip Jr...fantastic uses for all that FA money we saved ourselves. All I know is spare me the occasional Joe Smith, Flip Murray signings and keep someone who's proven their value around.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
Reply


Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com > Detroit Pistons > NBA Stuff


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pistons Payroll 2006 : Part 1 roscoe36 Pistons and Basketball Articles 24 01-26-2008 09:49 PM
Pistons Payroll 2006 : Part 2 roscoe36 Pistons and Basketball Articles 22 06-22-2006 04:33 AM
More Fun with Mid-Year Stats dba Detroit Pistons General Discussion 20 02-13-2006 10:34 AM
Grading the Pistons at Mid-Season Superstarov Pistons and Basketball Articles 20 02-04-2006 09:23 AM
Bang for the Bucks.. G-man Detroit Pistons General Discussion 18 12-25-2005 06:43 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All rights remain the property of their respective owners