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Originally Posted by TaShawn It's not that bad. His effective FG% is .483 (virtually the same as Billups). His ...

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Old 11-07-2007, 03:35 PM
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It's not that bad. His effective FG% is .483 (virtually the same as Billups). His 40% 3-point shooting is the reason.

The main reason that they are +6 with him on the floor is that they are winning the rebounding and turnover battle... until Bosh vanished. They are actually allowing almost 60% shooting by the other teams and are still beating them.
He is also third on the team in rebounds and assists. This just shows that given the minutes that he keeps hustling and is looking to make plays for the TEAM.

Would be interesting to see what effect his defense had on the player he was guarding.
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Would be interesting to see what effect his defense had on the player he was guarding.
They have that data. So far it isn't pretty for Carl.

Carlos Delfino of the Toronto Raptors, stats by playing position from 82games.com

He has played most of his minutes at the SF position with SG second and a very small amount as the PG.

So far, his man is lighting him up big time. They shoot and eFG of > 1.000 at the SG position and .583 at the SF. They are also getting inside on 33% of their shot attempts.

The lone bright spots are that Delfino is outrebounding them slightly and has a huge turnover differential over them.
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My biggest concern with Delfino's play is that it takes him over 30 min/game to get those numbers. I know it is early into the season and I don't want to make a big deal out of statistics yet. Also, I don't think it is fair to single him out as allowing opponents to score. A lot has to do with overall team defense and looks like Toronto is not there yet. Carlos, even being a great defender, won't be able to cover for 3-4 others on the court. And the guy he usually subs for couldn't spell the word Defense if his life depended on it.
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My biggest concern with Delfino's play is that it takes him over 30 min/game to get those numbers. I know it is early into the season and I don't want to make a big deal out of statistics yet. Also, I don't think it is fair to single him out as allowing opponents to score. A lot has to do with overall team defense and looks like Toronto is not there yet. Carlos, even being a great defender, won't be able to cover for 3-4 others on the court. And the guy he usually subs for couldn't spell the word Defense if his life depended on it.
you should watch some games. if you want to see how fino is really doing. the impact he has on the game simply doesn't show up on the stat book except maybe in rebounds. stats just simply don't tell the whole story.
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Toronto Raptors team performance by position for the 2006-2007 season from 82games.com

If you look at the Raptors overall, they are weakest at the SG and SF position. They produce the least from those spots and their opponents are the most productive from those positions against them.

The Pistons are pretty dominant across the positions with SG being the only weak spot so far, presumably due to Rip's absence.
Detroit Pistons team performance by position for the 2006-2007 season from 82games.com

We are dominating the C position on defense!
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Two 2nd rounders is turning out to be a fair price. Not a fleecing, but a fair price. If we had not traded Delfino, he would probably be occupying Dupree's spot on the roster. Then there could be yet another reason to hate FlipS.
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you should watch some games. if you want to see how fino is really doing. the impact he has on the game simply doesn't show up on the stat book except maybe in rebounds. stats just simply don't tell the whole story.
I agree. Delfino's impact cannot be measured.
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Toronto lost again. Delfino with 5pts and 4rbs in only 23 min.
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Toronto lost again. Delfino with 5pts and 4rbs in only 23 min.
Like someone just said, try watching the games. Then you would know that Delfino was guarding Lewis, and doing so quite well. Delfino made himself quite valuable in this game. The main problem Toronto is having right now is that Delfino should be starting, and their coach ain't figured it out yet. Good defense is a reason to start someone. A very good reason.
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you should watch some games. if you want to see how fino is really doing. the impact he has on the game simply doesn't show up on the stat book except maybe in rebounds. stats just simply don't tell the whole story.
It probably is too early into the season to see his full impact. He is learning a new system and playing with new guys. Maybe his stat sheet will look more appealing after 25-30 games (minus the games he plays us).
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