Flip Murray is a weapon. Plain and simple. The Celts could use him and I guarantee that the Pistons would not be able to keep him out of the paint any better than they could Jason Williams when he was torching Detroit in the Miami series they lost.


Its easy to pretend he isnt a baller but in reality if he couldnt make an open jumper at his size he wouldnt be in the NBA. Period.

Just like the Pistons couldn't keep him out of the paint when he started for the Cavaliers the same year, right?

That Cavalier team's talent level is nowhere near the level of the Boston Celtics of this year or the Miami team that won the championship.


You're comparing apples to oranges.

just thinking aloud.... why is every person nailed to our bench the answer to all our in game problems and why is every player we can't find time for on court going to be the reason we'll lose in a game/series.....

If boston beats us in May its not going to because Murrey is the 2nd coming of MJ. for every point he'll score he'll give up 4.

Because we don't have major problems and because we are so deep that we are shedding very good players.

Nazr and Flip Murray are way better than other team's worst 2 players. When you add Primoz into that, we have basically kicked 3 guys with starting experience out the door. I'm not disputing our logic, but I am also not discounting the possibility that one of these guys could help a contender. Murray is the only left who might still go to a team that is on the brink.

delfino's line.
23 points
38 min
7-9 fg
6-7 3point
3-4 free throws
5 rebounds
1 assist
3 turnovers
1 block

delfino is better than hayes. he just needed opportunity and a role. some people thought he couldn't shoot in detroit but it was more like when you shoot 3 times every 4 games it's hard to get a rhythm. fino rebounds better than hayes and defends better than him plus provides ball handling. man it's crazy to imagine delfino with the zoo crew instead of hayes now that would be a good defensive unit.

sorry your comparing apples and oranges..... hayes is getting the same numbers roughly delfino got in the same mins... if hayes was given more mins every game who's to say his numbers wouldn't be great.

Every excuse you make for delfino for the last 3 years can now be used to say why Hayes has been ineffective this year. We need a back up not a starting 3, a backup has to be ready to be able to make an impact in 5 mins or 30 mins depending on the night.

I think its safe at this point to say BOTH of them havn't worked in detroits system and were going to look for another option.

Their stats are not that different. If you prorate Haye's minutes to match CD's, then here is how they look:

CD/JH
9.7/9.7 points
4.6/3.1 rebounds
1.8/1.0 assists
0.9/1.0 steals

.508/.503 eFG%
25%/18% percentage of shots from the paint

Their shooting is the same. Carlos is a little more well rounded and definitely plays better defense.

We probably should have played him last year and kept him, but we didn't and we have a suitable replacement.

He's inconsistent as well. He'll go next two games without scoring. Just look at his game log.

same numbers + better defense + better ballhandling = better in my opinion.

i don't mind us trading him. i just don't think we got equal value for the guy. 2 second rounders is not enough. even if we were only freeing up space for jarvis i don't think he's an upgrade over fino.
i wouldn't call jarvis consistent either. i also know delfino at least brings intangibles when he's not scoring. jarvis it's either dropping 3 balls or nothing.