Originally Posted by TaShawn

Their stats are not that different. If you prorate Haye's minutes to match CD's, then here is how they look:

CD/JH
9.7/9.7 points
4.6/3.1 rebounds
1.8/1.0 assists
0.9/1.0 steals

.508/.503 eFG%
25%/18% percentage of shots from the paint

Their shooting is the same. Carlos is a little more well rounded and definitely plays better defense.

We probably should have played him last year and kept him, but we didn't and we have a suitable replacement.

Originally Posted by 16 Mile

Are backup 2/3 fiasco over the past couple years can be blamed on Flip. He has never accepted the game of any backup at this position for Detroit. Reality is, unlike DMC, Delfino has turned into the player people thought he would be. A quality backup, streaky shooter, good D, and can play 3 positions. Delfino would never have developed in Detroit, but I have to bet Joe D isn't too happy about how this has gone down.

The upside, Joe has learned and is not letting Flip repeat the same crap with our current youngsters.

Originally Posted by round

just thinking aloud.... why is every person nailed to our bench the answer to all our in game problems and why is every player we can't find time for on court going to be the reason we'll lose in a game/series.....

If boston beats us in May its not going to because Murrey is the 2nd coming of MJ. for every point he'll score he'll give up 4.

Originally Posted by raxrets

Aren't you exaggerating a little bit?

How Delfino plays in Toronto isn't something what flip can control. And Hayes plays less minutes per game than Delfino. And keep in mind that toronto plays more open style than detroit: more shots, more open shots, more rebounds, more turnovers etc (read: more losses and first round exit)

Originally Posted by bball jay

yes but flip could control how he used delfino in detroit. delfino could have played the same role hayes plays in detroit now except better. it's clear he's a better defender without doubt. also he would have done it cheaper.

toronto plays an open style but jarvis hayes isn't having problems getting shots up. hayes plays less minutes because he can't play 3 positions like fino. there is no exaggeration that we didn't develop fino like we should have.

Originally Posted by bball jay

yes but flip could control how he used delfino in detroit. delfino could have played the same role hayes plays in detroit now except better. it's clear he's a better defender without doubt. also he would have done it cheaper.

toronto plays an open style but jarvis hayes isn't having problems getting shots up. hayes plays less minutes because he can't play 3 positions like fino. there is no exaggeration that we didn't develop fino like we should have.

Originally Posted by Delfino Delivers

Flip wanted Fino to be consistent with inconsistent minutes. It is only the last handfull of games that I think Flip finally understands. You can't play your bench 10-20 minutes each one game and turn around the next with a bunch of DNP-CD's and expect thme to be consistent. If anything; a young player( like Fino was and is); needs to know he is going to play about X number of minutes at X time of the game. That is what has been the difference in our bench play this year.

Look what happens to the bench in the second half if Flip screws up the first half substitutions? It takes them longer to get in a rhythm in the second half. This will become less important asthey mature but when they are young; there is nothing like being consistent with them to get consistency out of them.


Could you imagine Stuck, AA, Delfino, Max and AJ on the floor togehter after getting acquainted with each others games? That would have been awesome!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by raxrets

Bench was so bad , if you remember , in many games starting 5 had to become back and finish the game cuz bench had lost big lead.

Originally Posted by raxrets

Flip has mentioned that for him is that league as league of match-ups: that 's why inconsistent mins for bench last year. Bench was so bad , if you remember , in many games starting 5 had to become back and finish the game cuz bench had lost big lead.