In case of LB dumars could't do anything: LB screwed things up.

Dumars had no means to trump Utah's offer to Memo, S&T with ben was totally excluded: again, dumars had no means to force ben's hand. And I remember that when somebody posted that ben should be traded before his contract ends, that poor poster was executed by lynch mob.

The firing of LB was a Bill Davidson thing. And Joe could not technically under the CBA keep both Rasheed Wallace, and Memo Okur. Not financially possible, so I have a hard time blaming that on Joe. Plus you can't "Demand a sign and trade" for a player that is an unrestricted free agent.

Drafting Darko and Hiring Flip i'll put on Joe.

That's how I see it.

Which were two huge mistakes that have kept this franchise from winning more than one 'ship. But that will be another thread for another day. And I'm not saying Joe D hasn't done a lot of good things. He has.

Well it you recall all I said was the five worst moves during Joe's tenure...yeah it some might say it was Joe, but really if i try to clean it now, it's the five worst/moves/incidents/things to happen to the Pistons organization during Joe's tenure or in the last four years.....does that clean this up?....or can somebody add some others? Some can be blamed on the owner, the GM, the coach, a player or two or the NBA it self...or even a infamous brawl and you can probably go down the the list of all teams and find their five incidents that prevented them from winning or challenging, but as ggazoo said we can start that thread if and when we are eliminated.....

I don't want to re-hash it again but LB wanted to leave just as much as Davidson wanted him out. Who remembers all the "I may not be able to coach next season due to my health" claims that LB was making? Who recalls LB taking a couple of weeks off during the season for his surgery and not even bothering to tell Dumars or Davidson? Who recalls LB meeting with Isiah while still under contract with the Pistons?

I believe LB wanted to get fired so he could get his buyout money plus the Knicks deal and I am still standing by it.

Yes LB should have been the coach for the full 5 years. He had a chance to go down in history with his own championship squad but apparently money was more important to him.

agreed, as there saying right now on sports reporters Detroit should have been in 5 straight finals right now, If only the pistons had what San Ant does... somebody that pushes them.

Jordan has fired Sam Vincent. RealGM is saying LB is interested in the job.

RealGM: Wiretap Archives: Bobcats Fire Coach Vincent After One Season

...and LB ends up in Charlotte.

He'll love Okafor, and probably use him much, much more intelligently than Vincent did. Don't know how Felton will get along with him. Richardson either, for that matter. He'll hate Gerald Wallace and Morrison and Nazr.

Wonder how long it'll take before Jordan and Brown's egos come to a head?

LB coaching Nazr