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roscoe36 · #41 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 10:44 PM

Thanks for the heads up Zo. I missed a little of the first setting up my new tv/monitor and these NJ announcers dont give the same kinda reports George does.

TBird · #42 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 10:49 PM

We're extremely reliant on Ben on the glass. When he doesn't or can't rebound, it shows.

Hell of a game by Rip. Hell of a game. Nice work by Tay as well.

bball jay · #43 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by themicrowave

Because I didn't feel honest blaming it all on Darko.

Arroyo hasn't had any help, that's for sure. I think Carlos is playing pretty good tonight.

I think it's time for Darko to find a new hairstylist.

i agree darko may need to go back to the streaks. but tonight i'll agree the bench did not play well except carlos arroyo.

OLD SKOOL HQ · #44 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ggazoo69

by the starters. Outboarded again, though. Major minutes for the starters. Looks a lot like last season. No Delf, no Max, Darko for only 5 minutes. Time to try something else, Flip.

He wants to win in a big way, true, But i can count the games we wont see the bench- Nets, Bulls, Heat, Cavs, Pacers and all western conferrence road games. But I aint mad at 11 and 2! Rip/Bill needs 2 start In AllStar game down heya in H-town..my bruddahs!

TBird · #45 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 10:51 PM

He has officially surpassed J-Kidd.

Our starters basically outscored theirs by 22. Subtract the bench and it's a blowout.

I hope our guys really lay one on NY so our starters can get some rest. No Wiz repeats.

detteam · #46 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by themicrowave

Ben looks like the Carlisle era Ben. He's totally neglected in the offense. That's IMHO has led to him not setting hard screens, and his defense seems to have dropped off. He's mis-timing his jumps (when he bothers to jump).

If Ben isn't hurt, he's getting hurt in this game plan. Sheed chucking 3s without conscience and no one running a play for Ben. It just ain't right. Chauncey, Rip and Tay aren't even giving Ben a look...

Btw, that baseline ref should be fired. He's blown at least a dozen calls (both ways). He's really just that incompetent.

Lots of questions. Ben doesn't look pumped like usual...maybe he is hurting? CB calling most of the plays now? Maybe there are none for Ben under Flip? Maybe Ben misses LB cause his system emphasized the D (Ben's specialty) and LB wanted him to develop his O? Does Ben no longer feel like a contributor?

With Ben being FA this coming summer, JD should do his best to make sure he's happy here, even if it means leaning on Flip.

OLD SKOOL HQ · #47 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TBird

He has officially surpassed J-Kidd.

Our starters basically outscored theirs by 22. Subtract the bench and it's a blowout.

I hope our guys really lay one on NY so our starters can get some rest. No Wiz repeats.

He need all the prayer he can get...No one plays him better than The Bill!My Bruddah!

OLD SKOOL HQ · #48 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 11:04 PM

I think he had something to prove against Jefferson and Flip let him fight. I like that a lot...Cant wait til Friday night...(i plan on being just a little drunk that night)...my bruddahs!

Lee356 · #49 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 11:16 PM

Still great to beat Kidd and Jefferson. 11-2. Only 2nd to the Bad Boys November of 90-91 of 13-2.

We came out real sharp, doubling them up 24-12. First two guys off the bench were Arroyo and Dyess. Then Darko. Then Evans. I won't say Evans was the whole problem with the bench in that 2nd half. The fact that Dyess was passing up shots he normally takes, and missing the ones he normally makes, was also a factor. But Evans gave us nothing. Wasted time with the ball. Can't move without the ball. And can't guard anyone as tall as him with a strong game. They did have him on McInnis for a moment. He can do that fine. But putting him on Carter simply broke Carter loose. For those who might disagree with these somewhat harsh observations on Evans, note the coach only played him 2 minutes in the 2nd half. Further, Flip briefly did just what I mentioned a couple days back. He played Billups and Arroyo together in the backcourt. And that combo did good. I don't know why Flip went away from it and got Evans back in the game. I guess maybe he is giving Evans every chance he can. Hurry, get that out of the way. Give Delfino a good long turn now. (Or go to a three guard rotation.)

Ok, we did not pound them inside. As they are basically a very weak defensive team inside, they decided to really pack it in tight. So we shot what they gave us, easy, uncontested jumpers. And we were making them.

Speaking of jumpers. Rip hit a couple more threes. Up just at about 50% exactly on his 3 point shooting. I would say he has arrived as a three point shooter. I doubt the league will miss the fact much longer.

Rip was hitting everything he put up, plus Tay had it going big time. Tay scored driving, on spotups, and on a pull up on a fast break. Got the whole package going. And he hit one shaking off his guy. And Sheed nailed a few threes. And Billups was nailing his shots. And when they tried to guard the perimeter on occasion, Billups took it right in there for the score.

Ben tweaked an ankle, stepping on a foot as he drove in. Seems to be bothered by it. Lets see how he feels tomorro.

Arroyo hit an outside shot, though it barely rattled in. He also drove in and flipped one in. And he set up Dyess well a time or two, one of which Dyess nailed. Darko did not do a whole lot. A couple of rebounds. They did not go to him offensively, though he made one brief attempt at posting up. About what, 6 more mintues of experience. It all adds up.

Play of the game had to be Billups getting fouled and still making his triple, and then completing a rare 4 point play. The best trend of the game, a tie. Prince's continued interest in offense. And Rip's emergence as a three point shooter. As for bad trends, well the bench problem is easily solved. Quit playing Evans except as a defensive specialist. And only if that targeted player is getting hot out there and burning us. We have got to get a different player in the regular rotation backing up Tay or he is going to die from fatigue in that brutal 8 game stretch starting December 9.

11-2. Great start. But now, there are just 69 games remaining to this regular season. Time is not unlimited. Go to work coach. GO PISTONS!!!!!

LA Sam · #50 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 11:20 PM

So why do I feel like we didn't accomplish much? Ok, call me a pessimist, but I'm bothered by a couple of things.

1. We're evolving into a perimeter team, and we all know that those shots will either not be there, or will not fall, in direct proportion to how badly you need the shot. In short, I don't trust the perimeter game as our bread and butter.

2. I didn't like RIP's number being called for the dagger 3. When we've got thm on the ropes, and all we need to do is close the deal, 3's are risky, and could swing emotion.

3. The bench is in trouble. CA can't lead this rag tag group, Flip needs to really look hard at the roles, and who can fill them. Either that, or give the rookies a chance to step up and produce.

The good news is that the starting 5 is producing like the champions they are, and I'm just not worried about Dice right now. However, without any inside game, we're looking at regular season wonders, and playoff failures.

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