A classic Flip Sequence was at the end of the 1st when Flip decided to take his time on D, so Farmar buried a 3 in front of him. So with 20 seconds left, instead of running a good play, Flip decides he has to show up Farmar, and takes him one on one. Which results in a bricked layup with no time left.

This makes all the sense in the world. Too bad it has so little chance of happening. Unless we get a new coach.

I will disagree on one point though. I believe if we played our youth extensively, including bring Sammy Mejia back to the team, and did not play Flip Murray, Hunter, Dupree, nor Mohammed, we would win more like 60 games. These young kids for sure need more experience, but they are pretty darn good as is.

How happy would you be though if this turns out just to be a fluke game, and Flip Saunders hardly plays Amir, Afflalo, or Samb next game? I think I will go read the press, and see if any of the beat writers even acknowledge that Amir can play the game. (It would be fun to see McCoskey do some serious backtracking.)

Just read McCoskey. He mentioned that Amir played. He mentioned that Amir got into foul trouble. (Not true though) Thats it. And he made out like playing these younger guys was part of why we lost. In sum, he was terrible. Next, I will read freep.com

freep.com gave good props to Amir, and really seriously good props to Samb. More like it. Somebody from the press did watch the game, good to know.

mlive also gave major props to Samb. Amir was mentioned for his rebounding, but slammed a bit on his defense. I guess this writer did not notice Amir was our only plus player for the night. Oh well, at least the guy watched the game, and I do appreciate reading the good props to Samb.

In all, still bad reporting. None of them mentioned Afflalo. None of them mentioned his good defensive sequences against Kobe, and none of them mentioned he was part of that stifling defense in the 3rd quarter.

I'm not sure why Flip Sr. is taking the hits for this loss. Amir played a lot of minutes, which we've all been clamoring for, and he played great. And yes, I know there are injuries, but did ANYONE on this forum have Samb playing even one minute of meaningful ball this year? Yet there he was, thrown into the thick of things when the Pistons needed a boost, and when he immediately made a huge impact on D, he ended up playing almost 15 minutes total. In what was, let's remember, the first regular season game he's ever played in (no garbage time minutes for him yet in any other game). The turnovers near the end were awful and possibly cost them the game, but that would be more of a concern if either of the two primary ball-handling guards had been in uniform. Like I said up-thread, I'm disappointed that they lost, but how can we be anything but excited with what the two (!) young big guys showed? And who, exactly, was making the decision to put them on the floor?

People tend to forget how valuable C-Bill is to this team. It happens every time he goes out for a few games and Murray flashes his exciting playground no defense high turnover games.

C-Bill is + 14 on the Roland Rating this year. We don't have anyone else even close, except maybe AJ after last night. Interestingly enough AA and Hayes are down at the bottom with Nazr and Hunter, though after last night they may have moved up a bit.

We didn't win an NBA title and get to the ECF finals 5 straight years with Murray at the point!!!

Detroit Pistons NBA stats and data from 82games.com

I think rebounding as a whole hurt DET more than the turnover spree in the 4th.

I would like to believe that these young guys could play, but Flip is horrible at figuring out how/when to play guys. It seems to be all or nothing with him.

Sheed did not look like he was running well at all. The last few games took a toll on him. That is not good in November.

If Rip can't get open off of the screens they were running last night, shouldn't the screener be open?

If Flip can figure out how to use all these guys then I can live with these kinds of losses.

Growing pains guys....



Bottom line, now seeing that the young guys did well, you got to move Nazr down the rotation ladder Flip. Amir and Samb up.

And Flip Jr. has to yield to Stuckey once in game shape.

Rip now scares me. He is not as effective in Flip's offense as he was in Larry Brown or Rick Carlisle's.

Tay should be aggressive. He is a mismatch waiting to happen in every game.

JMax comes off the bench.

Quoted for truth.

Am I the only one surprised that Cheik wasn't just filler for the Mole Evans trade?

Watching him and Amir taking turns blocking Bynums shots gave me chills.

I think not.

No C-Bill big pains
No Dyess medium size pain.

Nothing to do with growing pains.

However, there will be growing pains with Hot Rod for a while, but as long as C-Bill can be available and not banged up come playoff time, no sweat.