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Old 11-25-2007, 11:53 PM
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at least chauncey took his share of the blame:

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"We all did a poor job," said Billups, who finished with 15 points, six assists and four turnovers. "I feel horrible. I don't feel I did a good enough job leading us today. It started at the point with my matchup (with Williams). We let them get into a comfort zone. I let Deron keep getting into the teeth of our defense, and when we shifted he would just dump it to Boozer."
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Old 11-25-2007, 11:57 PM
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He just ought to. Had he checked Williams we would have won this one. Had the staff noticed, Rip is struggling, let's play AA aaaaannd put HIM on Williams so Chauncey does not have to expend that much energy on the defensive end, we would have had a decent shot at a win.

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Re: Utah Nov 25 1PM

Flip needs to take those boys out back and tan their hides.
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Re: Utah Nov 25 1PM

KGREG, you are right on in all your posts. LB was really strict with the guards and he brought out the best in them. Flip gives them a lot of freedom, more freedom than they are capable of handling. They are good, not great players.

I am almost ready to start rooting against these guys. Nothing has changed. When the going gets tough they can't get within 22' of the hoop. Their D is atrocious. There is no accountability. If you can't check your man, so what? Go zone. If that doesn't work they'll trap. That's about it from the bag of tricks.

Cleveland next. Big, big game. Good chance to lay all their cards on the table to squeak out a November win so they have nothing new to throw at them come the playoffs. I expect a lot of zone and traps.
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:19 AM
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Re: Utah Nov 25 1PM

I'm not sure how to put this, to make it not sound like I am hating on the team, but the more we lose, the greater the pressure on Flipper.

Because it's pretty clear to me that Rip will not be coming off the bench, and the guards will not be held accountable for their perimeter D.

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Old 11-26-2007, 01:38 AM
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Not a surprise the Pistons lost this game, I think even with a healthy Sheed the Jazz would have come out with a victory. There's just something missing from this team this year and is it because of a stale line-up? Maxiell is never going to be an All-Star but he's a nice piece and Rip seems to have lost his blur in motion always running wear out the other player persona. It's still early and Stuckey has to be integrated into the mix but the Pistons will need to make a trade to turn this into a championship unit. They are in need of an impact player -- how about a true center who can anchor the middle? Nazr had the game of his life today so trade him while he's got some value. The Pistons should look to grab Chris Wilcox from Seattle since they are going nowhere and he's the best big man out there that plays with fire. If not look for a 2nd round exit this year from the playoffs because this team is not significantly better than last year so why would the outcome be any different?

There is something missing this year, i am just not excited about this year' squad.
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:41 AM
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The Pistons took a long step backwards in this one. Afflalo got about 3 minutes. No Amir Johnson. No Samb.

With Rip having the flu, you might think Afflalo would get some quality minutes in this one. Instead, we see Prince play some shooting guard, followed by Flip Murray. As usual, nobody can predict what Saunders is going to do game to game for the rotation.
With Sheed out, you would think Amir Johnson would get to play a bit. Instead, Amir has his minutes go down to zero, after just 5 the previous game.

The outcome of this early season game did not matter. It basically ended up being just another wasted opportunity to develop the team.

Ok, the game itself. Billups started out doing pretty well, getting inside for scores and dishing assists. He even made some outside shots. Rip was hitting his outside shots too. But Utah's Williams was getting inside on us too. A draw there for the most part.

Tay started our scoring with a triple, but really did not shoot too much after that.
Dyess did not shoot much at first, but then hit some outside shots. Then missed a lot of outside shots. In all, his outside shooting hurt us. His rebounding was good though, as was the few times he decided to work inside. Its a shame as much potential he has to help us that he chooses not too by taking so many outside shots. As he can't defend Boozer at all, he should have been trying to get him into foul trouble.

Mohammed had a heck of rebounding game. But did anyone ever see him make a defensive play in this game? How about his work inside around the basket on offense? Weak as can be. He did get a couple of tip ins, but he should take a page from Rodman's book, pass the ball out if he gets an offensive rebound where there is anyone defending him.

Flip Murray made a couple of good drives in. About it though. Not much for all he played.
Hayes got a bucket in the post, and then hit a couple of outside shots. Did he shoot again?
JMAX was a bright spot. They let him shoot. People got to see that indeed he can make jumpers. And he played some pretty darn good D on Okur. And blocked some shots. Gee, it would be nice if they let our other shotblockers play some. Instead, the rest of our front line was slow. (Mohammed and Dyess were the rest of our front line.) Speaking of slow, and poor D, Hayes ain't none to fast on defense either. Thats a lot of slowness out there. In all, Boozer looked like he was all alone out there for most of the game.

Despite everything, the Pistons actually played pretty even with Utah, save for a bunch of technical free throws by Utah. Saunders got tossed arguing a call. They made the two tech free throws, and the two free throws for Tay's foul to put us down 8.
Our last hurrah was a triple by Billups to put us down just 5 late. That was it though. Okur's triple buried us.

There is something about affalo that flip does not like. Affalo at least attempts to keep his man out of the paint. 10 minutes a game is not asking a lot.
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:15 AM
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There is something about affalo that flip does not like. Affalo at least attempts to keep his man out of the paint. 10 minutes a game is not asking a lot.
Flip doesn't appear to like anybody who is under 25 years old...but he still should give all of them PT. If he doesn't and can't figure out how to get Tay and Rip on the same page then his job is in jeopardy. As KGREG says, Rip and Billups need to pass to the HOT man and stop trying to force low% shots. At the the other end of the floor they need to play some defense and stop worrying about bad calls and what kind of shot they are going to force up later when they get the rock..
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Why can't we beat the Jazz. Everyone else is.

They are now just 14 - 13 after tonights loss

Nazr put up a 17 -8 vs them

NBA - Utah Jazz/Charlotte Bobcats Box Score Wednesday December 19, 2007 - Yahoo! Sports

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Old 12-20-2007, 01:43 AM
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Re: Utah Nov 25 1PM

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Why can't we beat the Jazz. Everyone else is.

They are now just 14 - 13 after tonights loss

Nazr put up a 17 -8 vs them

NBA - Utah Jazz/Charlotte Bobcats Box Score Wednesday December 19, 2007 - Yahoo! Sports

Why can't we beat the Bulls? They are 9-14 after a win tonight.
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