Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com
 
Go Back   Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com > Detroit Pistons > Other Hoops Talk
Forums Home Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Other Hoops Talk WNBA, Euroleague, Olympic, World Championship, NCAA, High School and D-League Hoops

Discuss: Stupid Stats in Sports we have to deal with at Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com

I have always wondered why the NBA included 3ptFG% with 2ptFG%, but has a seperate 3ptFG% stat? For example, last ...

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2007, 10:57 AM
OLD SKOOL HQ's Avatar
OLD SKOOL HQ OLD SKOOL HQ is offline
Member+
 
Last Online: 07-06-2008 11:58 AM
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 1,372
Stupid Stats in Sports we have to deal with

I have always wondered why the NBA included 3ptFG% with 2ptFG%, but has a seperate 3ptFG% stat? For example, last night vs sixers, CBillups was listed as 3-9 FG and 0-5 3ptFG. wHY NOT 3-4 2PTfg% and 0-5 3ptFG% ??!! I think the NBA does a diservice to its players and itself when you include the two, because you do get an extra point for making a shot beyond the arc. I just dont get it.........

Also, what other things do u hate???.


LI-I-I-I-KE:

1. RED WINGS WEARING WHITE ON THE ROAD AND RED AT HOME
2. ANYTEAM WEARING THROWBACKS WHEN THE OTHER TEAM IS DRESSED PRESENT
3. MUSIC DURING THE GAME
4. OVERTIME IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL(I hate the stats for TD passes included in regular play stats)
5. A OT POINT IN HOCKEY EVEN WHEN U LOSE
6. BRAIDS COMING OUT THE BACK OF HELMETS
7. ROY WILLIAMS FIRST DOWN SIGNAL
8. BLAHA AND KELSER'S HOMERITIS
9. ABC ON ESPN AND VISE-VERSA
10. EXPANSION
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2007, 12:03 PM
Dumars4Ever's Avatar
Dumars4Ever Dumars4Ever is offline
Forum Guide
 
Last Online: Yesterday 11:51 PM
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Washington DC area
Posts: 2,060

Re: Stupid Stats in Sports we have to deal with

Since your list goes beyond just stats, I'll throw in my long-standing hatred of the phrase "scoring the basketball." It's obviously influenced by the non-stop use of the word "football" in commentary on that sport: teams are "running the football" or "throwing the football," a good player is a "good football player," a bad team is a "bad football team," etc. It's so commonplace that it's hardly noticeable a lot of the time, but it sticks out like a sore thumb when basketball analysts use it. OK, so the Bulls right now are "not a very good basketball team"...WTF other kind of team would they be?! But the worst, of course, is the aforementioned "scoring the basketball," which is just awful.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2007, 12:14 PM
BillLaimbeer's Avatar
BillLaimbeer BillLaimbeer is offline
Forum Guide
 
Last Online: Yesterday 10:56 PM
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,011
Re: Stupid Stats in Sports we have to deal with

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD SKOOL HQ View Post
I have always wondered why the NBA included 3ptFG% with 2ptFG%, but has a seperate 3ptFG% stat? For example, last night vs sixers, CBillups was listed as 3-9 FG and 0-5 3ptFG. wHY NOT 3-4 2PTfg% and 0-5 3ptFG% ??!! I think the NBA does a diservice to its players and itself when you include the two, because you do get an extra point for making a shot beyond the arc. I just dont get it.........

Also, what other things do u hate???.


LI-I-I-I-KE:

1. RED WINGS WEARING WHITE ON THE ROAD AND RED AT HOME
2. ANYTEAM WEARING THROWBACKS WHEN THE OTHER TEAM IS DRESSED PRESENT
3. MUSIC DURING THE GAME
4. OVERTIME IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL(I hate the stats for TD passes included in regular play stats)
5. A OT POINT IN HOCKEY EVEN WHEN U LOSE
6. BRAIDS COMING OUT THE BACK OF HELMETS
7. ROY WILLIAMS FIRST DOWN SIGNAL
8. BLAHA AND KELSER'S HOMERITIS
9. ABC ON ESPN AND VISE-VERSA
10. EXPANSION
I like all of those things.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2007, 02:38 PM
basketbills's Avatar
basketbills basketbills is offline
Contributor
 
Last Online: Yesterday 10:11 PM
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,580
Re: Stupid Stats in Sports we have to deal with

How about these things (that aren't stats):

Slapping hands with everyone on a missed free throw.

Intentionally fouling the other team in the closing moments when there is clearly no chance to catch them.

Fans sitting next to you at the game who don't know who Jason Maxiell is.

Players that take the last shot of the half from 3/4 court...just after the buzzer so it won't hurt their stats.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2007, 02:48 PM
buddahfan's Avatar
buddahfan buddahfan is offline
Retired from Forum
 
Last Online: 02-22-2008 09:45 AM
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 5,363
Smile Re: Stupid Stats in Sports we have to deal with

Some stupid stats of D. Vitale.

Quote:
"....It is absolutely wacky, baby!”

“It is time for everyone to sit down..."

“I'm living the American dream.”

“I learned from my mom and dad.."

"...if you gave 110 percent all the time, a lot of beautiful things will happen..."

“You'd have to live in a cave not to know about the Carrier Dome. It put Syracuse on the map.”

"..you've got your team playing at a higher level.."

“They have one of the blue chip coaches in America..."

"...but one thing is this year, the league has a lot of balance...."

"Twelve for 23... It doesn't take a genius to see that's under 50 percent."
Quote:

Vitale is well known for covering the biggest games with his rare form of energy, coining terms like

"Diaper Dandy" (an outstanding freshman)
a "PTPer" (a prime time performer),
"Maalox Masher" (the end of a close game),
"Trifecta" (a three point basket),
"slap a lapper" and "dipsy-doo dunkeroo slam-jam-bam, baby!" (an exciting slam dunk).

Also, from time to time he would refer to a player making almost all his shots by saying "call the fire chief cause he's on fire!".

His most well-known bon mot is to end a sentence with "baby!" He frequently says, "It's awesome baby!"

Another phrase he uses is "Freeze it!" during a instant replay, when he wants to spotlight a certain play. Vitale's signature style is composed of his catchphrases, voice and his accent.
On a more serious note, I have always wondered about why doesn't the league compute and show an adjusted FG% to take into account the fact that some field goals are three point goals, because 2 out of 6 three point attempts gives you the same points as 3 out of 6 two point attempts.

I would also like the league to break out FG percentage by location within the arc, e.g. FG% for each player in the paint and out of the paint. Since they already compute points in the paint, why not FG% in the paint?

Dick Vitale quotes

Funny Dick Vitale Quotes - Funny Quotes by Dick Vitale

Dick Vitale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2007, 04:06 PM
Nemo's Avatar
Nemo Nemo is offline
Member+
 
Last Online: 06-27-2008 08:03 AM
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Billings, Montana
Posts: 1,959

Re: Stupid Stats in Sports we have to deal with

I've always believed in the PP stat. That's the points scored versus the points possible. If a player takes 6 "3 point shots" and 6 regular shots, then his points possible is 30. If he has 15 points then his PP is 50%. Doesn't really matter where the shots are taken....... Just score baby, score.......
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2007, 04:49 PM
BillLaimbeer's Avatar
BillLaimbeer BillLaimbeer is offline
Forum Guide
 
Last Online: Yesterday 10:56 PM
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,011
Re: Stupid Stats in Sports we have to deal with

Quote:
Originally Posted by buddahfan View Post
On a more serious note, I have always wondered about why doesn't the league compute and show an adjusted FG% to take into account the fact that some field goals are three point goals, because 2 out of 6 three point attempts gives you the same points as 3 out of 6 two point attempts.
Actually, most web sites that post NBA statistics include the Adjusted FG% which you speak of.

Quote:
AFG%: Adjusted FG Percentage = [(PTS - FTM)/FGA]/2
ADJ FG% measures shooting efficiency by taking into account the total points a player produces through his field goal attempts. The intention of this adjustment is largely to evaluate the impact of three-point shooting. For ex: If Shaquille O'Neal has 3-5 FG, all two-point shots for 6 points, then his ADJ FG% = [(6/5)]/2 = .600. Meanwhile, if Ray Allen is 2-5 FG, but his 2 FGM are both three-pointers for 6 points, then his ADJ FG% = [(6/5)]/2 = .600
Daniel Gibson and Steve Nash currently lead the NBA in AFG%. Last year, Nash was the highest with Mikki Moore second. Moore actually shot 60.9% from 2-point range. Without shooting any 3-pointers, his AFG% was the same (60.9%). No Piston was in the top 50 last year. Prince was 59th at 50.1%.


ESPN - NBA Statistics and League Leaders - National Basketball Association
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2007, 06:09 PM
TaShawn's Avatar
TaShawn TaShawn is offline
Member+
 
Last Online: Today 12:08 AM
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Chicaaago
Posts: 5,581

Re: Stupid Stats in Sports we have to deal with

Quote:
Originally Posted by basketbills View Post
Players that take the last shot of the half from 3/4 court...just after the buzzer so it won't hurt their stats.
Yeah, that is really pathetic when they do that.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2007, 07:34 PM
buddahfan's Avatar
buddahfan buddahfan is offline
Retired from Forum
 
Last Online: 02-22-2008 09:45 AM
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 5,363
Smile Re: Stupid Stats in Sports we have to deal with

Quote:
Originally Posted by BillLaimbeer View Post
Actually, most web sites that post NBA statistics include the Adjusted FG% which you speak of.
Thanks for let me know. Those dirty dogs stole my idea. They will be hearing from my attorney like yesterday.



Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2007, 07:37 PM
buddahfan's Avatar
buddahfan buddahfan is offline
Retired from Forum
 
Last Online: 02-22-2008 09:45 AM
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 5,363
Smile Re: Stupid Stats in Sports we have to deal with

Quote:
Originally Posted by basketbills View Post
Players that take the last shot of the half from 3/4 court...just after the buzzer so it won't hurt their stats.
Dare I ask.

Are there any of those on our Pistons?

If so is video of them doing it on YouTube?

Thanks


Last edited by buddahfan : 11-24-2007 at 07:38 PM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com > Detroit Pistons > Other Hoops Talk


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All rights remain the property of their respective owners