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Originally Posted by dba Also surprised by Tony Parker. He's in the second pack in terms of scoring (below ...

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Also surprised by Tony Parker. He's in the second pack in terms of scoring (below the top group of Iverson and Arenas) in the 18-20 per game range, but just cracks the top ten in terms of total production, and falls nearly off the charts to #21 by the Larry Brown Memorial Scoring method...Maybe it's just that he's on TV all the time...
Found this very old thread while reviewing everything sprocket-y and trying to grasp some of the Remaking Sprocket Points that dba has written for us. Made a pot of coffee, going for an allnighter.

I put forth that the reason it SEEMS like Tony Parker is a more productive point guard than he turns out to be is because of that lightening fast move he has going to the hoop. He looks like a playmaker because of it, but mostly he is just individually gifted in that one very valuable ability. He definitely has helped to make the Spurs a more interesting team to watch. And yeah, he's on tv way too much.

Chauncey ends up pretty high on all these charts, higher than I thought he would be. It's a good gut check to see the figures. Here I was day dreaming about trading him for Iverson next year, but he's looking pretty good in dba's evaluation here. There's no stat for willingness to pass into the post though, is there?

Also, dba, point guard is my FAVORITE position so I enjoyed every bit of this lengthy analysis. Each year I pick a handful of teams to follow (besides my beloved Pistons) and several individual players. Your study here has got me curious about Brevin Knight and he's now on THE LIST 2007.

Thanks for all this hard work dba. I know you did it way back in Feb but I really enjoyed it and will use it as a reference for my point guard tracking. I can see I need to watch some Jason Kidd as well.
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Also, dba, point guard is my FAVORITE position...
Assuming the folks at 82games remember they said they would do it, they are supposed to run some data for me to redo this, based on a full season of data, and split by time in game and score so I can also get some notion of how the scoring can change in crunch time.

Better stock up on the Advil.
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This time DBA give us a box to work from. So there is a staring point a desired effect and maybe a conclusion. Don't just throw an equation out there like a calculus teacher, and leave us hanging in math cyberspace. I need to see the ground or I aint jumpin'.
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OMG.
This time DBA give us a box to work from. So there is a staring point a desired effect and maybe a conclusion. Don't just throw an equation out there like a calculus teacher, and leave us hanging in math cyberspace. I need to see the ground or I aint jumpin'.
Don't like "the proof is left to the reader"?

Here's a path down...

- I made up sprocket points to be able to evaluate players and at least I liked the results - seem logical and intuitive.

- I needed to update some of the calculation with new league averages based on the 05/06 season.

- Thought I'd toss it open and see if anyone wanted to see how it worked and what I was changing.

- Came out a little long.

In the middle there somewhere are the stats that go into sprocket points and the weights I've given them - old and new. That's the heart of it.
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I was thinking it was a continuation of older stats. Which I understood - then.
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I was thinking it was a continuation of older stats. Which I understood - then.
Sorry, my bad. I mistook this for the Remaking Sprocket Points thread.

You're right, this is an old article that was revived - no new info, no new changes.
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