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| Re: The Price of Loyalty Merc, where did you come up with that? Typical of you Merc, more questions than answers. ...One thing jumped out at me, what if Mr D repaid BBen with percentage of what his "gear sales" are? Jersey's etc. The point of making money is to keep making money. Except when you can use it to counter taxes. |
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| Re: The Price of Loyalty Good Piece With all deals capped at 5 years max we better hope more players are loyal - unless they are from another team and we are trying to sign them. My guess would be that Ben will get most of the props from Davison since he was the original piece that got things going and is the only surviving Piston from Dumars 1st year. Sheed/Dyess seem to me to be the most likely to be delt when things start slowing down. |
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| Re: The Price of Loyalty I think it all comes down to "alternative compensation". Loyalty from a player perspective can be interpreted as "valuing winning over money", and loyalty from an organization as "paying for past performance". The only way loyalty works, is if there is winning. In the fast food media age, trotting out George Gervin or Dave Bing to center court for an acknowledgement of their past service is lost for the most part on today's fans. There is always a new hot draft pick or 11th man on the bench who captures our imagination and creates anxiety amongst fans that if he doesn't get the requisite minutes, he'll leave and flourish elsewhere when in reality, it's faith in the form of more money rather than loyalty for any accomplishments or shared hardships that will be the determining factor in their legacy with the organization. The reason why I believe in paying Ben is that he has rewarded the fans with effort and winning. It's understood that his past work would be valued in his new contract. Like most commercial transactions, we got Ben at an introductory rate. If he panned out, it's understood we would recommit to him and adjust his wage based upon his level of play. If not, it was understood he would be moved or not re-signed. Ben is still a marketable commodity. He has off court value to the franchise. It is important to retain assets like Ben who create an identity for the Pistons product by virtue of "being themselves". And Joe needs to "do the right thing" because credibility as a GM with players and their agents will pay dividends down the road. You can't buy loyalty, and you can't buy trust. Or maybe you can.
__________________ Momma was queen of the mambo, Poppa was king of the congo, deep down in the jungle, I start banging my first bongo Every monkey like to be, in my place instead of me, cause I'm the king of bongo baby, I'm the king of bongo bong -Manu Chao |
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| Re: The Price of Loyalty Joe has taken this place from a team in a cold city that noone would want to be caught dead playing for to an organization that is respected across the world. The Pistons cannot slight Ben and think that they will be able to continue to sign players for below their market value. The Pistons must sign Ben in order to secure the present and the future even if it costs Mr. Davidson some luxury tax dollars in the long run. Last edited by MotownPride : 03-20-2006 at 02:27 PM. |
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| Cha-ching and the Ring... I agree, informative and well articulated piece Merc. I also think that JoeD has been fairly good at using the "external validation" technique as value added tangible compensation. I mean c'mon what are NBA Championships really worth? These guys start playing ball in their driveways, by the time they're thirty some have already been playing for 20 years. It's all about the win when you're young and you're schooled that way for the next decade. For most it's all about the win through high school and college, regional championships, state championships, conference championships, ncaa championships. Then - the money games begin. NBA Division and Conference champions and finally the NBA ring. I think Dumars has played his 'sacrafice for the Ring' song par excellence. He seems to have assembled guys that know the difference between 6 mil a year and 7.5 mil is huge come April. How much money is enough money? Really, how much? In an era when rookies are signing contracts for more money in a single season than Zeke or Laimbeer got in their final multi-year deals, it seems the financial security issue for many has been resolved before their first tip-off. I think Big Ben gets a deal that tops out at 10+ change plus some additional incentives per future playoffs. I think bbbbillups gets the same. Only time will tell...
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| Re: The Price of Loyalty Great article Merc, Ben deserves it, Dumars and the fans want it, and it's the ONLY right thing to do. If the Pistons failed to take care of Ben, our reputation throughout the league would be mud. |
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