Boston and Minny are trying to complete a trade check this out.
Boston gets Candi, Wally, Dewayne Jones and 1st round pick
Minny gets Blount, Davis, Banks, and Reed. cond 2nd ROund pick

This trade is like trading crap for poop, I'm mean C'mon. This trade is just to make a trade niether team got better and niether team will do anything anyway.

Just thought I add this to the Pistons fan since we have to play them next week(Minny)

Just announced a few minutes ago on NBAtv:

http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/images/smilies/celtics.gif Celts get:
Wally Szczerbiak
Michael Olowokandi
Dwayne Jones
Conditional 1st round pick

http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/images/smilies/timberwolves.gif Wolves get:
Ricky Davis
Mark Blount
Marcus Banks
Justin Reed
Two 2nd round picks

I'm underwhelmed with this trade. Looks like mediocracy for mediocracy.

KG's never been a Wally guy, and I can see him enjoying a wingman like Ricky. He's in the mold of Sam and Latrell.

Kandi for Blount? Same players, different faces, unless you think the former #1 is actually worse than ol' Crazy Face. Which might be true.

As for Wally in Green. I don't really care. He's white, so I guess they'll like that in Boston.

The NBA trade deadline is not for almost another month (Feb 23), but teams have already started making moves.

The big names so far of course are Ronnie and Peja but wait this is just the beginning.

Boston and Minnesota have just pulled a 7 man deal sending Wally World, Candy Man, Dwayne Jones, and a 1st round pick to Boston for Ricky Davis, Mark Blount, Justin Reed, Marcus Banks, and 2 future conditional 2nd round picks.

That means that Boston is a man short so they are probably looking to make more moves before the deadline comes. It could also be one of those cases where we will trade you so and so but you have to cut him so we can pick him back up.

Also on a side note Phoenix acquires Nikoloz Tskitishvili from Minnesota for a 2006 second-round draft pick

Who will be next?? What team will try to put itself in the playoff race, or who will just try to clear cap space for upcoming free agents??????

It could also be one of those cases where we will trade you so and so but you have to cut him so we can pick him back up.



If I'm not mistaken, the new CBA has a rule that a team trading a player away cannot resign him again for 30 (ish) days?

I think Stern called it the "Dammit Joe D. stop trading away guys and then resigning them the same week! Its not fair!" Rule.

Of course I could be completely wrong - it happened once. I just seem to remember reading it somewhere.

Anyone else know more?

I forgot about the dammit Joe D rule my bad you are right lol

now they pistons haven't lost since i've attended this year, so i don't expect them to start now. i'm taking my mother to the game though, so if the pistons lose you can blame her.

i also agree on the crap for poop analogy

sounds like a trade just to make a trade...bunch of randoms from one team, for a bunch of randoms from another team

darko / arroyo / 1st-rounder for garnett

If I'm not mistaken, the new CBA has a rule that a team trading a player away cannot resign him again for 30 (ish) days?

I think Stern called it the "Dammit Joe D. stop trading away guys and then resigning them the same week! Its not fair!" Rule.

Of course I could be completely wrong - it happened once. I just seem to remember reading it somewhere.

Anyone else know more?
http://www.pistonsforum.com/nba-stuff/791-lm-coons-nba-salary-cap-faq-updated-2005-cba.html

I kinda coined that name for it.

darko / arroyo / 1st-rounder for garnett
We can't trade back to back 1st rounders. We traded a 1st rounder for Arroyo (this coming draft) so we can only offer our 2008 first round pick.

That's a baaaaaaad trade. Darko, Arroyo and a 1st are like giving up three number 1 picks for Garnett. Plus, Minny already has 2 PGs. You need to work a third team into the deal to take Arroyo or Jaric if it's going to make any sense.

Not surprised to see Skita traded again. Doesn't make sense sending him to Phoenix though. Jerry Colangelo was quoted as saying that it was the ideal place for him in the NBA, well...

Didn't they trade a very similar player (Zarko "Chewbacca" Chabarkapa sp!) away to Golden State? How does that make any sense?

Yup exactly, just player for player.

But maybe all the teams are after the chemistry so it shouldn't matter much.

On espn radio tonight they were saying that Wally and KG did not get along. I guess Rex Chapman (who is now some higher up in the Minny org.) went into the locker room Sunday and blasted both saying "Can't you two play together???" Apparently both replied "I can play with ANYONE". So it was obvious something had to be done.

Also they said R.Davis comes with a lot of baggage.

Both teams are just trying to do something to get a spark.

After Minny got their butts kicked by Detroit and the coach they fired they get their butts kicked the next day by Memphis a team that has passed them by. It must have been a rude awakening because the next day they pull the trigger on a move that ships out their 2nd leading scorer and they lose a first round pick. At 2 games under .500 19-21 and only a couple of games out of the 8th seed this is probably a last ditch effort to try and make the playoffs by bringing in different talent. Imo this is not the end of trading for Minnesota they are seriously guard heavy now.

Boston at 17-25 is also only a few games out of the 8th seed and let’s face it sucking. The move for them does not make as much sense unless you figure they are just trying to free up cap space to make another move later. Candy Mans contract runs out after this year and they did get a first rounder out of the deal. Besides they have been shopping Blount for awhile and they probably hope this lights a fire under the young guys Jefferson and Perkins. Boston is a very young team and they might be hoping that Wally’s experience will help out.


Both teams are on the verge of losing their big guns. Paul Pierce probably wants out of Boston as bad as KG wants out of Minny to bad they were not involved in the deal or this could have been a real trade worth getting excited over.

IMO Boston at least gets more stability in Wally. I have him in my fantasy team and he almost always has 18-24 points, and almost always shoots around %50. He is not going to go off for 35 many times, but he is steady. Davis on the other hand my have 30 one night and 6 the next. May shoot lights out or go 3 out of 100. One thing the celtics do have now is a high % shooting team, between West, Wally and Paul P.

IMO Boston at least gets more stability in Wally. I have him in my fantasy team and he almost always has 18-24 points, and almost always shoots around %50.
It's the system. Watch Davis blossom. I'd say Wally's stock goes down now. We'll see.

I like the trade for both teams, but Minny clearly gained more from it.

We can't trade back to back 1st rounders. We traded a 1st rounder for Arroyo (this coming draft) so we can only offer our 2008 first round pick.

That's a baaaaaaad trade. Darko, Arroyo and a 1st are like giving up three number 1 picks for Garnett. Plus, Minny already has 2 PGs. You need to work a third team into the deal to take Arroyo or Jaric if it's going to make any sense.

i was kinda kidding but yeah :)

Davis on the other hand my have 30 one night and 6 the next.

And occasionally, he scores 0!

All Timberwolves got was another Spree. Great talent but there is a reason no one keeps him on their team long.

Minny gets the best out of this trade. Blount is the wildcard. He has been disappointing thus far this season, but he has shown glimpses of promise in previous years. New system could help his cause.

This year everyone knows that Flip was not part of the problem in Minny... So the guy that fired him had to take sole responsibility for the talent he brought in (and the high cap to boot).
All fingers were pointing right at McHale... he had to make a move to show that he's trying to do something or be put on the owners hit list next.

The Raptors trade Aaron Williams to the Hornets for 2nd round picks in 2006 and 2009. Williams will be reunited with Byron Scott his former coach in Jersey
http://www.nba.com/hornets/news/williams_060131.html
http://www.nba.com/raptors/news/CP_060131.html

The Hornets make more moves.... and in under a day.

They picked up Steven Hunter from the 76ers for 2nd round draft picks

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2315028

Pretty interesting stuff if you buy into SKLuck's piece on 84% of starters are typically first round picks. In essence they got an expiring deal in Williams for immediate help, and Hunter for a less than MLE deal (4 more years) as a big to backup and develop for diddly squat.

I'm really intrigued by what the Killer Bees are up to.

Wow Babcocks been gone like a week and the Raptors pull off another deal sending Jalen Rose to the Knicks for Antonio Davis and a first round pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2317958

I am almost 100% positive that Jalen played for Brown in Indy in 96-97 Browns last year there. Jalen had his worst year that year only scoring 7.3 points a game. I wonder how this time around will go?? I also wonder if it means Qrich might be on his way out as well?? I think NY is not done making moves.

Zeke apparently loves offensive minded players who can't defend. I think this might be another disastrous move by my favorite Piston. I like Jalen, but I don't see how he helps a team filled with chuckers.

Sounds to me that the first-round draft pick could be the real jewel here.

I love this trade. Toronto clears cap space, gains a pick and brings back one of their better players from the past.

New York gets a player who can play 1~3 and clears up their front court to allow more PT for Frye and Lee along with Curry.

Now if they can turn QRich into some good picks, they can start playing Ariza again.

Don't forget that Penny comes of the books this year as well. Zeke is filling the (playing) roster (Ariza, Frye, Lee, Robinson etc) with low priced young talent. It takes time to overhaul and Rome was not built in a day.

Rome was not built in a day.

You ever been to Rome, Georgia? That might have been built in a day.

Watsup all I'm new to the forum and I just gotta say that Zeke is one of the worst GM's in the league. Crawford, Richardson, Rose and Marbury (he'll never fit Brown's PG mold) are all the same types of player they shoot first and play awful D. Knicks have the highest payroll in the league and the 3rd worst record. Last but not least there is the Jerome James fiasco one of the worst free agent signings of Thomas' career. The long term huge contracts are no good and even the short term ones aren't great. Rose is gonna make $15 million this year and has the option to resign and make $17 million!!! next year. Rose is no longer a superstar and cannot command numbers like that. Also Eddy Curry is decent but wasn't worth all that Thomas gave up for a player the still could have health issues in the near future. Overall Zeke gets a 2 on a scale of 1-10 as a GM.

It was actually T.O. that sent a first round pick to NY, not the other way around. T.O. also sent an undisclosed amount of cash.

Davis is off the books after this season, which will help the Raps with cap space and they get Jalen's $16.9 million for next season off the books.

The pick T.O. sends to NY is one they got in a previous deal with Denver. Toronto already has a very young team, so they could use the extra cap space for a free agent more than they could use another young guy.

Yea Zeke has got the youth movement going on there, his three rookies are all making it to the rookie sophmore game and Jackie Butler has shown flashes of talent. Still I don't think he's going to be able to write Rose's contract off the books next year because I think it's Rose's option not the teams and if thats the case I can't see why he would turn down the $17 million because no one else will give him anywhere near that on the free agent market. Plus Thomas has the whole harassment scandal going down. I'm predicting some Fire Thomas signs at least by the time when the Pistons head there in March. New York is not a forgiving or patient city.

Hey guys, I read today that the Steven Hunter trade is OFF because his health couldn't pass muster. I'm sure you can google got the details. I read a LOT of articles today and regretfully didn't save the link.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_16064.shtml

It's official, Steven Hunter couldn't pass the physical. He'll be a Sixer again.

The Charlotte Bobcats today acquired forward/center Lonny Baxter from Houston in exchange for guard Keith Bogans, it was announced by Bobcats General Manager & Head Coach Bernie Bickerstaff.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_16075.shtml

Here is a trade that had me going:confused::der::loco: The Hornets who lost birdman chris andersen earlier and who nixed the Steven Hunter trade for a failed physical and are still short a center, just traded one away:doh: They traded Maciej Lampe to the Houston for back up point guard Moochie Norris because both Chris Paul and Speedy Claxton are hurt. Here is the link but just because it happened does not mean it makes sense.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2329545

Speedy played tonight (N.O. won with .5 seconds left)... could also mean they're getting ready to ship speedy for a big man.

I don't think speedy's going anywhere, hornets have needed another guard for a while now and moochie is not a viable backup PG for a team trying to make it to the playoffs.

Seatle and the Clippers have traded big men Vladamir Radmanovic in exchange for Chris Wilcox.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-supersonics-clipperstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns

Imo the clips get the better end out of the deal. Even though Vlad is streaky he can put up more points than Wilcox on a good day.

Just peeped this in the transactions section of ESPN.com

Clips Acquired forward Vladimir Radmanovic from the Seattle SuperSonics in exchange for forward Chris Wilcox.

heres the link
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/transactions

Pretty big tade but don't think that its gonna help the Clips too much if they can make it to the playoffs. Vlad Rad is a PF they need a 3.

Also this probably signals the end to reggie evans in seattle

84 ..you gotta watch the wire if you want to stay on top. I check every few hours (o.c.d. maybe?) just because you never know what some of these teams are gonna do. I can almost feel a Francis trade comin on soon and the Knicks want him bad.

Brown and Zeke wheel and deal!


Francis dealt to Knicks for Penny, Ariza (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2339941)
By Chris Sheridan
ESPN

Steve Francis is headed to New York under a deal agreed to Wednesday by the Knicks and the Orlando Magic.

The teams agreed to a trade of Francis for Penny Hardaway and Trevor Ariza.

In New York, Francis will be paired with Stephon Marbury as the highest-paid backcourt duo in the NBA.

The Knicks were still talking with several other clubs as team president Isiah Thomas worked at remaking a roster that has stumbled to the league's second-worst record, 15-37.

Brown and Zeke wheel and deal!


Francis dealt to Knicks for Penny, Ariza (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2339941)
By Chris Sheridan
ESPN

Steve Francis is headed to New York under a deal agreed to Wednesday by the Knicks and the Orlando Magic.

The teams agreed to a trade of Francis for Penny Hardaway and Trevor Ariza.

In New York, Francis will be paired with Stephon Marbury as the highest-paid backcourt duo in the NBA.

The Knicks were still talking with several other clubs as team president Isiah Thomas worked at remaking a roster that has stumbled to the league's second-worst record, 15-37.

Wow, Imagine the team that Joe could assemble if Mr. D gave him that kind of cash.

Zeke is the worst GM in the history of the game. How does this deal help at all? If I am GM I realize I have 0 chance to compete and almost no chance for playoff's. I would eat these contracts that expire this year, Trade SM (you guys in Fantsasy know I love to trade the big names)for some young players who are cheap and have potential. Get on the phone with Hawks they love giving players away, and then hit the Free Agency Market over the next two years.

Zeke has put the Knicks out of contention for at least the next 5 years. I am glad Davidson knew what he was doing when he let Zeke cry his way out the door instead of taking the executive spot. On a lighter note it seems as if the Magic have really put a gameplan together for their future.

Oh yeah.......I would fire Larry Brown before he kills all my young players like Frye.

I like this trade.

Wow, Imagine the team that Joe could assemble if Mr. D gave him that kind of cash. Asembling a winning team takes a "blueprint". ;) Joe understands that talent has to fit and fill deficiencies. Zeke just stockpiles talent.

i wonder if the magic will resign lil penny as well

I like this trade.

Asembling a winning team takes a "blueprint". ;) Joe understands that talent has to fit and fill deficiencies. Zeke just stockpiles talent.

was that a shout out? :)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2341845

Three-way deal brings Watson to Sonics
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

Denver Nuggets guard Earl Watson, arguably mentioned in more trade scenarios this season than any other player in the league, is headed back to the team that drafted him.

The Seattle SuperSonics, desperate for a defensive-minded point guard as an alternative to Luke Ridnour, will receive Watson, swingman Bryon Russell and a future second-round pick from Denver in a three-team deal. NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com that the trade has been forwarded to the league office for approval before Thursday's 3 p.m. trading deadline.

Derek Anderson to the Heat

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2342274

Nets clear Jackson's capspace in an effort to sign Tim Thomas or Spree, also gain Bostjan Nachbar in the deal

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2342131

Cavs get Flip Murray for not that much

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2342228

Cavs get Nailon and Sixers clear space to sign Thomas or Spree

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2342311