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Detroit Pistons at New York Knickerbockers!

Pistons Game 64 of the 2005/6 NBA Regular Season
Friday March 17 7:30PM Eastern
Madison Square Garden (http://www.madisonsquaregarden.com), built 1968, capacity 19,763
TV: tv20 / NBALP
Radio: WDFN 1130AM

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Read it and weep - Pistons drop a close one Knicks 105 - Pistons 103
http://www.nba.com/games/20060317/DETNYK/boxscore.html?nav=scoreboardhome

Time to visit POUND FOR POUND BROWN!

Larry has lots of troubles on his hands. 3 PGs who want to be SGs. Remember when LB handled personnel decisions in Detroit with dignity and grace?

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I can't take credit for this one. I snagged it somewhere in cyberspace.

I hear Starbury and LB are going at it in the NY papers and media is just licking it up. They got nothing else.
Pistons 150
Zeke's last stand 75

Pistons vs the Drama Queens!!

Game time tonight and we face the old story of LB, and his new drama segment of Brown vs Starbury. This game is hard to call as far how it will play out. the Knicks are a horrible team that tries to be a good team on certain nights because they have a roster makeup of a NBA live refugee camp.

I'm not worried about the Pistons losing this game, because if they come out with a professional attitude like they brought into the last game in Toronto than we will see a blow out. The Knicks have so many lineups and players that used to hurt the Pistons individually, but as a team you wonder what team will show up. Will it be the team we saw last week who put a hurting on Indiana or a team that is just playing to get to the end of the season.

As long as the Pistons have a sign up of "BEWARE OF COASTING" and just play their game than I see the score being Pistons 110 Knicks 87. If we see a coasting Pistons team then the score will be Pistons 97 Knicks 93, either way its a win. GO PISTONS!!!!!!!

man, i'm goin to the palace for march madness, i have to tape the MSU game, but how am i gonna tape this? oh well i'll just assume the pistons pull out the W and that i don't need to watch :D

Gotta work. But I think we might see a score of 90 to 65 Ps.
You know, for old times sake.

Gotta work. But I think we might see a score of 90 to 65 Ps.
You know, for old times sake.


Ahhhhh, the memories!

Looks like this one is on at the same time as MSU, so I will probably miss out on The Larrybury show.

same here...March madness comes first.. I'll watch Pistons win afterwards...my bruddahs:nod:

Chat's open, see y'all during the second half!

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Add this to the list with Utah, LA, and Miami of double-digit leads we've blown.

Flip can't coach defense or any semblance of low post offense. This team is horrible to watch. All the fancy offense, zero defense early in the season is finally catching up. Not hopeful for the playoffs.

Screw this, Flip should be suspended for a game, not Rasheed. I'd get tossed too if Flip was my coach.:mad:

is this a freaking joke? Detroit losing against NY??? Every legitimate contender should make a blowout out of this but not Detroit...
getting more and more scared...

No excuse, period!!! Sheed and RIP ejected were not an excuse to lose this game. :mad:

When your opponent has 22 turnovers for the game and is the worst team in the league, and us being a championship contender, this should have been a blowout game. To top it all, we let them shoot over 50% for the game. Scored more than 100 pts as well. Where the DETROIT BASKETBALL DEFENSE???:doh:

Shorthanded almost half the game and Delfino didn't even play a single minute. Davis manage to get a minute. What's wrong with FLIP???:frusty:

I'm not whinning, just worried. For those who are not worried, it's either you have the confidence in FLIP or you are not a true fan.

Shorthanded almost half the game and Delfino didn't even play a single minute. Davis manage to get a minute. What's wrong with FLIP???:frusty:

I just looked at the box score and thought the EXACT same thing. Our starting SG plays only 19 minutes and Delfino STILL doesn't get in the game?!?!?!?!?!

WTF?!?!??!

I hate Flip more and more each day.

Movie night out missed this one and was shocked to tell you the truth.Lost to N.Y. wtf??Rip and Sheed ejected?Delfino not a minute?Flip is coaching or shall we say not coaching this team there are more than the 6 starters here.They have taken over he's just a monkey on the sidelines.Playoffs soon and we need a big U-turn quick.Otherwise bounced out we will be,Minny style.

This team is really begging for a 1st round exit.

For those who are not worried, it's either you have the confidence in FLIP or you are not a true fan.

Thanks for the insight. I'll sell all of my Pistons memorabilia and start rooting for another team right away. I feel rather silly believing that I was a true fan of the Pistons these past few decades.

By the way... just so that I can be a true fan of my next team...should I start worrying immediately that they don't have a record as good as the Pistons...or can I wait until later?

When exactly did the true fans begin to worry? Were they supposed to begin worrying during tonights game? After the game? Last week? After the teams first loss to Dallas? During the offseason when Brown departed?

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By the way, the game made me ill.

This lose was embarassing. We were sailing along and then the inept play that we have seen lately blew the game away. Yes, we will show up when it counts--I don't doubt that-- but why give away our edge vs. SA? And to lose to Larry with that motley crew...Well, at least we know that Dyss is ready for the playoffs. Evans defense late was poor. But the whole team has stopped playing defense. We are trying to win with offense at a time of year where that doesn't work. Early it worked but not against teams whose whole season can be uplifted if they beat you.

ugh msu AND the pistons lose. lame. but watching bradley outplay kansas was sweet after a disappointing first game where kent state had no chance to win.

can the playoffs just get here already?

This game was the classic example of a coach losing the game. This is not a rag on Evans, he did what he's supposed to do. Drove to the rim, hit the open J, but his weakness is D, and it was weak tonight. The Pistons lost the lead, not from a lack of O, but from a lack of D. When Flip says he'll base bench time on situations, well shouldn't that mean play players according to the situation? We needed D tonight, which means players that can play D.

There's no reason Flip can't use Evans and Delfino together or alternatively, they cover each others weaknesses, but Flip cares about one thing, and one that's hitting the open J. Color me officially worried.

This game was the classic example of a coach losing the game. This is not a rag on Evans, he did what he's supposed to do. Drove to the rim, hit the open J, but his weakness is D, and it was weak tonight. The Pistons lost the lead, not from a lack of O, but from a lack of D. When Flip says he'll base bench time on situations, well shouldn't that mean play players according to the situation? We needed D tonight, which means players that can play D.

There's no reason Flip can't use Evans and Delfino together or alternatively, they cover each others weaknesses, but Flip cares about one thing, and one that's hitting the open J. Color me officially worried.

Defense is never a "situation" with Flip. Notice how he always dodges questions about defense, and somehow relates it to offensive execution? That's just Flip being Flip.

Good Morning, or is it just Morning? I get out of bed, eager to see the results, and I'm thinking, this cannot be true. But it is true.
From the boxscore I read giving away a 16 point lead, poor rebounding, and again lost it in the paint.
I read a lot of people getting worried, angry, scared, whatever. You better be, because IMO the Pistons will not reach the Finals. They have
the players to do it, but not the coach. And don't say something like: "Relax, there are still 16-17 games to play". You don't create momentum by switching it on and off like the Pistons do right now.
And what worries me the most, is an organisation well aware of their history of defensive play, and nobody stepping up to put a stop to this. Flip needs some serious talk.

All I can say is what I remember being quoted in a movie once from An Officer and a Gentleman- Sgt Foley....."and that cant happen ..ever!" We should not have have even been worrying about the last two minutes, because this should have been cupcake city! All I said all night was "Just Stop Crawford!!!!" And we had Evans on him??....Then Sheed and Rip decide to take the night off for no danggone reason!!..Dallas beat wash by 10, who we lose to by 18!!! :doh: This was a terrible night for this team and I never hear any of our suckup beat writers getting on Flip. I been around long enough to know 51-13 doesnt mean a damn thing!...Still think we should have got rid of Milicic?Dale Davis gives us NOTHING! Lindsay is on his last legs and Dice ran out of steam by the third quarter. i think he missed the FT's on purpose cause there's no way he couldve have gone OT!:nod: We better get our butts in gear and i believe Sheed and Rip owes this team and us fans something special next game. We'll still be 66-16 but it better not be because we lost to Maimi, phoenix or Dallas. they owe us that much.

I have to believe Joe D is sick about this too. He knows what this team has done in the past, he knows what his own team did with defense. I have to believe he'll be talking with Flip very soon. I hope. This is not good. the boys need to sit down and watch that game 7 again. I think that was fresh in their minds at the beginning of the season and thats why they played with a sense of purpose. It wasn't flip thats for sure.

And for the love of God Flip you can't play Delfino when your - two starters??!!! Exactly what kind of "situation" are you waiting for

I just finished the watching the game via my DVR. ( I went to see Dave Chappelle's Block Party thinking this game was a slam dunk win!) WTF happen? It's late and I have no one to banter with, but how did we blow a 16 point lead? :frusty:

Before the hotheads Rip and Sheed decided to take off, we were already fading as we let what look like an insurmountable lead dwindle down to 7. I knew then that things did not look good. What happen to our championship defense? Once again we let a team near the cellar beat us. Yeah we may have "outscored" them if Sheed and Rip had been in the game, but still I ask where is the defense?

How come the Mavs can handle the Wiz convincingly and we get blown out by them and then lose to a team that is even worse? The Spurs also take care of what is supposedly the 4th best team in the league Sun with no problem. If we are supposedly the best team, why are we having problems with lower eschelon teams?

For those of you who say that we are OK with this 51-13 record, please wake up and realize that this is not the same team that played so well through January. The defense is lacking focus and intensity and they are not playing it on consistent basis night in and night out. If Delfino or Davis can play some D then they need to be inserted in the game for defensive stops and Flip has to stop relying on Evans if he is getting continually beaten by his man.

We won almost every statistical category tonight with exception of the total points, the shooting % and the points in the paint. Looks like Sheed was having a good game, but then he has to start shooting his mouth off. He and Rip cannot get away with these shanigans when the refs are already stacking the deck against you. The problem is some of our guys complain on every call instead of letting it go and just playing their game to win. Joe needs to step in and get these guys back on track if Flip can't do it. That HCA is looking very shakey now with the Mavs actually having the advantage and momentum at this time. (tied with a victory already over the once might Pistons)

when sheed got bounced early. i wish we had darko to come in and fill in for sheed. instead we had mcdyess playing heavy minutes and getting tired. we also had a 75 year old dale davis come in.

glad flip is running delfino off too.when delfino is done "earning" his minutes maybe he'll go to the magic and be the small forward when g. hill retires.

i like delk i think he was a good pickup. i still don't think he's as good for us as arroyo. in the situation last night arroyo could have came in and ran the point while cb was at sg. too bad we traded our future away to keep our past happy.

You have to wonder if there is something behind the scenes going on with Delfino. There has to be some personality conflict...which I mentioned in one of the chats that I got a sense of during a game when Delfino seemed to ignore Flip while Flip was talking to him...

The fact that Marbury was talking about how much he would like Flip to be his coach again is also troubling. I f Marbury likes you can that be good?

I ignore flip and I'm starving for anything from the pistons organization.

Ben and Joe have to step up and get this team playing the way it needs to be. I feel like the pistons are the incredible hulk. You back them up against the wall and they somehow turn into this unstoppable machine. Right now its like putting bruce banner in a zen monastery where he can meditate peacefully on all the good things he could do when he hulks out again. Keep dreaming boys.

Ben and Joe have to step up and get this team playing the way it needs to be. I feel like the pistons are the incredible hulk. You back them up against the wall and they somehow turn into this unstoppable machine.

I guess we're all digging out from under some stunned disbelief this morning. I too was hoping for a new hulkish team to emerge from the timeout after the ejections. And I sat during the fourth also wondering if it was about time for Joe D to make a strong visit to the locker room after a serious come to Jesus one in the coach's lounge.

We've talked in several threads last week about the rest of the season falling into an easy stretch, a hard stretch, and then a mixed bag to finish it out. Well, the easy stretch isn't really turning out that way and I can't seem to stop the nightmare scenario running through my head of getting beaten by Miami, Indy, New Jersey, Dallas, Phoenix, Miami, and then ending with a complete blowout on the road in Orlando. AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH.............................. .

Another quick follow up. I watched last night on League Pass so I got Al Trautwig and Kenny Smith. I hadn't heard Kenny call a game before and am still a bit amazed about how bad he is - doesn't watch the game and doesn't seem to have much if any idea what the rules are.

One thing they surely didn't know was that a couple of Sheed's earlier techs had been rescinded by the league so they were calling for a suspension tonight. I didn't dream that right? The league did give him a couple back?

Trautwig and Smith are horrible, they're the regular Knicks announcers. They kept talking about Sheed being suspended. I guess they didn't realize he had 2 techs rescinded.

If this isn't a huge wake-up call for the Pistons, then I will be worried. The Pistons fell into the belief that they could coast for a couple of quarters and then turn it on and win. Somewhere along the line they have lost the ability to turn it on. Have they forgotten how they played early in the season?

The rebounding stats are troubling. We expect Ben to do all the rebounding. Lately he has not. He not only needs the help but needs to get his own butt in gear.

We need someone to drive to the hoop. Amir and Acker are doing just that now. Maybe we need to bring them up to show us how its done.

We need to re-learn how to defend the pick and roll. Why do we seem to be leaving such large seams lately?

Don't even ask me about Flip and his decision to keep Evans on defense last night.:frusty:

I just finished the watching the game via my DVR. ( I went to see Dave Chappelle's Block Party thinking this game was a slam dunk win!) WTF happen? It's late and I have no one to banter with, but how did we blow a 16 point lead? :frusty:

Before the hotheads Rip and Sheed decided to take off, we were already fading as we let what look like an insurmountable lead dwindle down to 7. I knew then that things did not look good. What happen to our championship defense? Once again we let a team near the cellar beat us. Yeah we may have "outscored" them if Sheed and Rip had been in the game, but still I ask where is the defense?

How come the Mavs can handle the Wiz convincingly and we get blown out by them and then lose to a team that is even worse? The Spurs also take care of what is supposedly the 4th best team in the league Sun with no problem. If we are supposedly the best team, why are we having problems with lower eschelon teams?

For those of you who say that we are OK with this 51-13 record, please wake up and realize that this is not the same team that played so well through January. The defense is lacking focus and intensity and they are not playing it on consistent basis night in and night out. If Delfino or Davis can play some D then they need to be inserted in the game for defensive stops and Flip has to stop relying on Evans if he is getting continually beaten by his man.

We won almost every statistical category tonight with exception of the total points, the shooting % and the points in the paint. Looks like Sheed was having a good game, but then he has to start shooting his mouth off. He and Rip cannot get away with these shanigans when the refs are already stacking the deck against you. The problem is some of our guys complain on every call instead of letting it go and just playing their game to win. Joe needs to step in and get these guys back on track if Flip can't do it. That HCA is looking very shakey now with the Mavs actually having the advantage and momentum at this time. (tied with a victory already over the once might Pistons)
Do u notice how two good ole Cass tech boys see so evenly on this team? I watched my DVr recording and posted 1:30AM feeling so disillushioned about this team. I want a 20 point win tonight...Just for my sanity's sake....I'm watching a "Frasier" marathon in my dark room til 6Pm for goodness sake..........:frusty:

Another quick follow up. I watched last night on League Pass so I got Al Trautwig and Kenny Smith. I hadn't heard Kenny call a game before and am still a bit amazed about how bad he is - doesn't watch the game and doesn't seem to have much if any idea what the rules are.

One thing they surely didn't know was that a couple of Sheed's earlier techs had been rescinded by the league so they were calling for a suspension tonight. I didn't dream that right? The league did give him a couple back?I always thought Kenny Smith was an illiterate idiot and last night confirmed it. Especially with not knowing the technical points rule on sheed and that he actually got T'd fussing at Francis. He and Trautwig were a nightmare and that little midget Robinson would have gotten his azs kicked by Worm, Horn or Zeke with all that damn jumpin around !

I tried to laugh this loss off. I couldn't. 10 minutes after the game was over, I felt ill. Normally I feel like assaulting furniture (Games 1 and 5 of the Finals last season). Maybe I have wised up and realised that pounding my armrest hurts my wrist more than it makes me feel better, or that this is just the beginning of a fallout.

If the playoffs started today, I would be questioning if we can win our first round series in less than 6 games, rather than having the swagger and arrogance that I should have that the title is ours for the taking.

I'll say it again.

Flip hasn't been coaching for quite some time.

The new offense was what caught the league off guard.

The losses continue.

No control of the team. A failure to make adjustments that rivals Rick Carlisle.

We are ripe for a first round upset unless Joey D. has a coming to Jesus meeting with Flip.

We don't have a playoff coach on our hands, just a regular season coach who does an excellent job of getting our guys ready before the game.

He's as advertised since his hiring.

The emphasis on winning this year is on the players. Flip simply provided our team with another weapon..offense. We are Flip's best chance at a championship not vice-versa.

Unfortunately, I don't think that is enough right now.

I hope our beloved team proves me wrong.

What a waste if they don't. What a waste.

I'll say it again.

Flip hasn't been coaching for quite some time.

The new offense was what caught the league off guard.

The losses continue.

No control of the team. A failure to make adjustments that rivals Rick Carlisle.

We are ripe for a first round upset unless Joey D. has a coming to Jesus meeting with Flip.

We don't have a playoff coach on our hands, just a regular season coach who does an excellent job of getting our guys ready before the game.

He's as advertised since his hiring.

The emphasis on winning this year is on the players. Flip simply provided our team with another weapon..offense. We are Flip's best chance at a championship not vice-versa.

Unfortunately, I don't think that is enough right now.

I hope our beloved team proves me wrong.

What a waste if they don't. What a waste.

Excellent post. Hard to disagree with anything you've said here.

BroHQ, "watching Frasier" that's so sad...........why not stick in a tape of Ps 85, Purrs 72? You'll feel better in the morning....

BroHQ, "watching Frasier" that's so sad...........why not stick in a tape of Ps 85, Purrs 72? You'll feel better in the morning....
if ya ain't ya is ...if ya won't, ya wishin... if ya think ya sunk... be what ya is so aint what ya aint... comprende?

Motown Pride your right the offense surprised everyone and now thy've figured it out. The players are the ones to win this not Flip. The only way they'll do it is playing the defense that they've learned in the past. I know for sure Ben wants it that way prob the others too. I think they are firguring it out right now. Revert to old ways and fast

The players are the ones to win this not Flip.
Might be time for Ben to get those red goggles out again. I'm not sure who else in that locker room is liable to call a closed door team meeting.

Merc, not really, I know no sports talk boundarys.