Lots of interesring senarios for the Lions 9th pick of the draft.
What do you think will happen?
What will the Lions pick with their 1st 3 picks?
I say DB, LB, DB.
I wouldn't be surprized if we trade down, maybe to 15.

How many WRs are supposed to go in the first round?

My guess is Matt drafts all of them. :flame:

Fine, as long as he converts 4 to DBs.

How many WRs are supposed to go in the first round?

My guess is Matt drafts all of them. :flame:

Maybe a quarterback or two, just to back up the 6 backups they have now.

I love the pickup of S King. He could be our Randle El.

I can't get excited about a DB @ #9... we need someone that can impact the offense...
As much as we need a solid O lineman I'd like to see them move up to #6 and grab Vince Young... Kitna does not aspire to be a gr8 QB... we need a QB that can end up being better than average.. at minimum Young will move the chains with his running game.

Grab your O lineman in round 2

IMO a solid pass rusher will be far more valuable than a cover DB... the DB can only cover for so long... while the pass rusher causes holding penalties, fumbles & int's by rushing the QB.

I think Kitna and McCown can lead more than JH. Big improvement. I'm ready to go D like everybody else. Gather talent and hope the QB doesn't lose the game. The Oline will improve 100% when they have someone they respect.
We are deep at Dline and Oline.

I can't get excited about a DB @ #9... we need someone that can impact the offense...
As much as we need a solid O lineman I'd like to see them move up to #6 and grab Vince Young... Kitna does not aspire to be a gr8 QB... we need a QB that can end up being better than average.. at minimum Young will move the chains with his running game.

Grab your O lineman in round 2

IMO a solid pass rusher will be far more valuable than a cover DB... the DB can only cover for so long... while the pass rusher causes holding penalties, fumbles & int's by rushing the QB.

Sorry Merc, but I have to disagree with you. I think that if Huff is available at 9 you HAVE to take him. He's a big, fast, game changer type player. I think he would fill a huge need for us. He would be our Troy Polamalu and would team up very well with Kennedy at safety.

I would stay away from offensive skill positions at any cost. Not only because we have MUCH bigger needs, but also because Millen just can't afford to take ANOTHER QB or WR with a top ten pick. If the Lions go O in the first round, it needs to be the line. But Brick will be long gone by then and I think 9 is a bit of a reach for Justice. A trade down wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, as long as we didn't move down too far and get good compensation in return.

A lot depends on how the first 8 picks fall, but I say stay at 9 and hope to heck that a guy like Huff or Hawk falls that far. Its possible - but far from probable - that 1 of the 2 will be there. If all 3 top QB's go, plus Vernon Davis, Mario Williams, Bush and Brick, that leaves 1 of the 2 available at 9. Even if both are gone, there are still guys like Ngata or Sims that I wouldn't mind grabbing at 9.

Sounds like a lot of the same... I remember about 10-12 years ago we went on a string of drafting fast DB's early in the draft (the kid out of Texas and Abrams)... both were hurt all of the time.

More of the same = more 3 and outs for our offense.... no protection, no line push and no mobility to escape the inevitable floodgate of defenders in the backfield... which translates to more time for our defense to be on the field... we need ball control from a running game to keep our defense rested (re O-line upgrade and a mobile QB to go with Jones)... one exceptional DB will not be a significant upgrade for what's really needed.
Our QB has to have time to run the plays (or make his own time) or no O-coordinator will make a difference.

I think Huff will still be available at #9 when the Lions draft. :)

I think the Lions should draft him because he looks really good and a safety fills a need.:nod:

I think they will do something really stupid instead. :eek:

Merc, we've goofed up the O picks enough, because we have bad luck with CBs means we need to keep at it.
I'm changing my picks to DB,DB,DB

Merc, we've goofed up the O picks enough, because we have bad luck with CBs means we need to keep at it.
I'm changing my picks to DB,DB,DB

That's you perogative... why would we need to score to win anyways?

If the lions dont pick a defensive player they will be crucified by every draft expert out there for picking offensive players for what 5 years straight with their 1st round picks. The fact is the the D needs some help but the oline was and is horrible. I dont know if I would use a 1st round pick on an olinemen though. I will be happy as long as they dont draft another problematic head case lazy injury prone drug addicted WR

Merc, is it not time to to goof up some D picks. You know the ying and the yang.

from an ESPN Page2 article (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/060425)

9. Detroit Lions: Santonio Holmes, wide receiver, Ohio State
Canny Lions general manager Matt Millen plans to use his first-round choice on a wide receiver every year until 2024, when Detroit will field the only squad ever on which all 22 starters are wide receivers drafted in the first round.

Whatever it takes!

I am hoping for Michael Huff.

Maybe, :fingerscr maybe Demeco Ryans will fall to us in round two, his stock has dropped a little:fingerscr . That guy is a stud.

I like Huff, Mario, D'Brick. The first that falls to us we should jump on.

Wow. Looks like the Texans are taking Mario Williams #1 instead of Bush. Personally, I like the move. I think Bush will be an unbelievable player in the NFL, but so will Williams. The deciding factor is that the Texans already have a talented young back in Davis.

Wow. Looks like the Texans are taking Mario Williams #1 instead of Bush. Personally, I like the move. I think Bush will be an unbelievable player in the NFL, but so will Williams. The deciding factor is that the Texans already have a talented young back in Davis.

It doesnt make much sense to me.

Why not trade down (even if its not as much as you would expect for the first pick) and let Brick, Williams, Hawk or Huff fall to you and you'll have a couple more picks to work with?

I thought Brick would be the best choice for them.

It doesnt make much sense to me.

Why not trade down (even if its not as much as you would expect for the first pick) and let Brick, Williams, Hawk or Huff fall to you and you'll have a couple more picks to work with?

I thought Brick would be the best choice for them.

If it was the Lions with the #1 pick, I'd want it to turn out the exact same way. Actually, the Texans have a lot of similarities to the Lions.

Carr and Harrington were drafted 1 & 3
Both teams have horrible O lines
Andre Johnson and Charles Rogers were drafted 2 & 3
Both have talented young RBs - Domanick Davis is averaging over 1000 rushing yds and 400 receiving yrds per season in his 3 year career
We've got their receivers coach
We signed Corey Bradford

Brick would have been a huge upgrade for the Leos as well, but I'd still rather have Mario.

It's gunna blow up the whole draft. Texans needed Oline help. They may have saved $15mil.
Nobody wants to trade up because it's too costly picks wise.

It's gunna blow up the whole draft. Texans needed Oline help. They may have saved $15mil.
Nobody wants to trade up because it's too costly picks wise.

It doesnt look like they saved any money. 6yrs, 54 million? I think thats what it was. Alot more than the last coulple years top picks. I'm sure they could have had Bush for the same amount.

taking williams has bowie/jordan type implications imo

It doesnt look like they saved any money. 6yrs, 54 million? I think thats what it was. Alot more than the last coulple years top picks. I'm sure they could have had Bush for the same amount.

You're right. They sure paid a premium. Normally QB's get the premium when taken in the high first round, but Williams got even more than the 9ers gave Alex Smith last year.

From what I've been reading though, Bush wanted even more money and contract negotiations broke down.

Nice pick on Sims. Domestic violence and injury prone. Wonder if the two things are related?
I hate the Lions. Speaking of related, maybe they got confused and thought Ernie was related to Billy? :frusty:

Now you know why I say regulate these cats. $54mil. / 6 = $9mil. per.
It almost sounds tame.
LB is a solid need since ours keep breaking down. DB next!

They should have traded down and taken the kid from Iowa (Greenway).:mad:

Good deal... we draft a concussion waiting to happen and a safety... that should help our #27th rated offense.
Millen's job is complete as the worst GM in the history of the game.

I like the safety at #2 (Bullocks). I'm just ticked at their first pick. The Red Wing game didn't help my mood. We need a Pistons win tonight to boost our spirits. :fingerscr

This is a disgrace:frusty: .
At least go where there is a glaring need at OT. ERNIE SIMS?? He is a late first round, second round pick at best! What was he thinking?:doh: DarthTater I agree, Greenway would've been better. But in a situation when the players that you want (huff, d'brick) are gone, then why not trade down?? If you really want him, he would still be available at 15-20. TRADE DOWN MILLEN. Don't settle for players like Sims and Mike Williams.

And then Daniel Bullocks? He had a bad combine so you pick him in the second round? He may be decent, but Ko Simpson and Darnell Bing were available too, they would've been better options.

Now I am hoping that he either picks Jon Scott (OT) or Omar Jacobs(QB)
But guess what? He wont.

Say it with me, FIRE MILLEN!

Wow. Talk about a freaking let down. I've been looking forward to this draft for about a month now and we end up with an undersized, injury proned criminal :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: at #9???????

We missed Huff by 2 spots in the first and Justice by a couple in the 2nd.

I agree with you guys. Once Hawk, Huff and Brick were gone, we should ahve traded down. With 2 highly coveted QB's still on the board for teams with that need, we could have gotten SOMETHING for our spot and still been able to grab Sims or one of the other, less concussed, less criminal LBs later in the 1st.

But what I REALLY don't get is that Millen specifically said that he was going to look much closer at CHARACTER when making his selections. Is beating your girlfriend a sign of character these days?

He also said that he was going to look for "smart" players. With at least 5 prior concussions, Sims will be lucky to be able to spell smart by the end of the season.

But what I REALLY don't get is that Millen specifically said that he was going to look much closer at CHARACTER when making his selections. Is beating your girlfriend a sign of character these days?

He also said that he was going to look for "smart" players. With at least 5 prior concussions, Sims will be lucky to be able to spell smart by the end of the season.

I really do NOT understand Millen. It's almost as if he is intentionally trying to destroy what little hope remains for the forseeable future of this sad sack joke of a franchise. I know it's irrational to believe that he would purposely do that...but... WHAT A FREAKIN IDIOT!!!!!!

I really do NOT understand Millen. It's almost as if he is intentionally trying to destroy what little hope remains for the forseeable future of this sad sack joke of a franchise. I know it's irrational to believe that he would purposely do that...but... WHAT A FREAKIN IDIOT!!!!!!

Well I will give Millen 1 thing. At least he's consistent. He's been an absolute idiot for 5 years.

On the bright side, at least he's only under contract for 5 more years. I guess this is the Half Way point of the Milennium.

Please tell me that I am not seeing this right....:frusty: :frusty: :mad:

Brian Calhoun, RB in the third round

It's almost as if he is intentionally trying to destroy what little hope remains for the forseeable future of this sad sack joke of a franchise.

With this third round pick, I believe he has successfully done that.:faint:

It's not easy defending the undefensible... history shows the track record...
So what was the right answer?
Well we might start by recognizing the limited capabilities of the primary position on offense... Kitna is the long tern answer?... uhh, probably not...
you've got this kid out of Vandy that's used to being in an impossible position ... no pass protection (sound familiar?)... take Cutler and buy some development time with Kitna.
You've got a chance to improve your O-line and other teams have shown they're willing to trade down in the 2nd round... you couldn't trade one pick before our 2nd pick and a 6th rounder and pick up Justin Winston? (projected @ # 12 overall)... just plain ignorant to take that chance.
3rd round... oh geesh.. just forget it ... this guy's hopeless/clueless.
What amazes me is that they had so much time to address the teams needs and this is the best they can come up with.

I hope some of you guys that wanted DB's are real happy with our offense next year.

Alright you guys, there's no way I can spin this other than what I heard.
We've seen what we can do with QBs so drafting one would be a waste, right?
We signed 3 Oline FAs. I know, 2 are all beat up. Still we don't really need one yet.
We did not take a WR, improvement, right?
Marinate said he wanted guys that love the game. E Sims fits the bill. He's only had one bad KO, that's the one where his lights went out for a while. That's football.
He's a play maker that filled a need, I think. Sam Mills was only 5'7" and was fine for years.
Martz has more than enough to work with on O.
We needed a freakin' DB, filled a need.
I don't know nothing about this RB. WTF?

Man, what a bummer. We came within 2 picks of getting Huff and 1 of getting Winston Justice.

I've warmed a bit to the picks, but I definitely think that we could have gotten both of them much later.

I don't know much about the RB in the 3rd round, but my guess is that he spells the end of Cory S. (not even going to attempt the last name).

I think Bryson will move to FB. He's a much more versitile back with great quickness and good hands out of the backfield (let the team in rushing and receiving yards a few years ago). He's also a very solid blocker, which would allow him to make the transition to FB full time (a position he's already played when Sledge was hurt).

As much as I love him, Cory just doesn't fit the Martz offense. He's getting slower, older and more injury prone each year.

With no 4th rounder we grabbed a Olineman and a CB in the 5th and 6th, but I don't know how much of an impact they'll have.

I'd have to say this was a very average draft for the Lions. We could have done much better, but only time will tell.

Its not looking very good for any compensation for Joey. We'll be lucky to get a 7th rounder for him, if anything at all. If we haven't gotten anything for him by the end of the draft, we should just release him and be done with it.

Might take some heat for this suggestion.

How bout taking a chance on Marcus Vick. He even said he'd be willing to play special teams or receiver.

I mean why not, we have a "no non-sense" coach, maybe he'll work out w/ him. He has all kinds of talent and ALOT to prove. If he acts up at all in camp we can just cut him.

What would we have to lose? He'd just be a 7th round pick.

Might take some heat for this suggestion.

How bout taking a chance on Marcus Vick. He even said he'd be willing to play special teams or reciever.

I mean why not, we have a "no non-sense" coach, maybe he'll work out w/ him. He has all kinds of talent and ALOT to prove. If he acts up at all in camp we can just cut him.

What would we have to lose? He'd just be a 7th round pick.

Randel El type player?

Randel El type player?

Why not? Cause we can get him for free now cause nobody wanted him! :eyebrows: Sorry Merc. Don't you hate wiseguys who wait to answer your question until after all the facts are in. :nod:

Only knock on Sims is his injury-plagued history.

Other than that, he is a beast:nod: .

Might take some heat for this suggestion.

How bout taking a chance on Marcus Vick. He even said he'd be willing to play special teams or receiver.

I mean why not, we have a "no non-sense" coach, maybe he'll work out w/ him. He has all kinds of talent and ALOT to prove. If he acts up at all in camp we can just cut him.

What would we have to lose? He'd just be a 7th round pick.

I was thinking the exact same thing earlier today. We had 2 7th rounders, so why not? Not that he's undrafted, we should at least give him an invite.

I think this "character guy" thing is somewhat overblown...
Kobe's not a character guy, Ray Lewis ain't no character guy.... now a loser like Harrington... there's a character guy for ya...
we need tough minded athletes that are driven by dominating not being good guys.

As for Vick... I'm not too thrilled about his potential... but if the guy has blazing speed he's worth a FA look... the worst that happens is you release him... he's in a position that he has a lot to prove ... sometimes that can work in your favor

I'm feeling a little better about Sims after finding out he's never had to leave a game due to concussions (mostly mild with one consider high level).... but it's still a legit concern.

Prediction, 4 wins next year... one of the 5 worst offenses.... we can bring this up at next years draft... maybe there will be a "worthwhile" offensive player then. :^)

I think this "character guy" thing is somewhat overblown...



Sure...why not fill a roster with injury prone non-character guys with lots of talent...like Charles Rogers. He is working out beautifully. :doh:

Sims is a legit mid 1st rdr. I heard 3 teams called to get our pick. But Millen backed down. Nobody had Sims higher than 13.
Bringing in Vick would be a disgrace to any player at a position we have now. I wouldn't even let him return kicks. Not even on the goon squad.
And what blew my mind was about 3 teams traded up in the early 2sd and took the last good DBs right in front of us.
I hear W Justice is a punk too. Let's just get guys with a passion for the game.

Sure...why not fill a roster with injury prone non-character guys with lots of talent...like Charles Rogers. He is working out beautifully. :doh:

Or you could look at guys like Rodman & Mahorn... after the championships no one said damn those guys had a screw loose we should never have taken them.... there's a gray area between competitiveness and being a detriment to the team.

Or you could look at guys like Rodman & Mahorn... after the championships no one said damn those guys had a screw loose we should never have taken them.... there's a gray area between competitiveness and being a detriment to the team.

Mahorn had pro experience and was known as a "thug" on the court...not off of it. I don't think anyone questioned his character off the court. In fact, Mahorns a good guy. He was once spied at night dumping a whole bunch of brand new Starter Pistons jackets into a bin for some kids charity. He wanted to do it anonymously...from the heart...no other motives.

I'm not sure we knew too much about Rodman when we drafted him. He was a bit of a hyper flake at first, but nothing like the finished product we saw. Anyhow, when he got to be too nutty (carrying guns and wearing dresses), we dumped him.

I am not saying we need to draft choir boys, and the bottom line in Sports is ability, but I think character goes a loooong way. If given the choice between a guy with questionable character and a little more potential talent than the guy with good character, I'd take the character guy. He may turn out to be the better player anyhow.

Do you have confidence in Millen's ability to draft players and build a team? I certainly don't.

I have no biz criticsizing anyones character. But all of a sudden Kobe is a monster [butt] and I'm not singing any of his praises just because he can score. F' these dorks!
It's one thing to have a minor mess up. But when it's a pattern...cut the cord.

Lions screwed up again. Ernie Sims is a great player, but the lions could have traded down and still got sims along with another good player.

Chew got it mange.