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Series 2-3 Cleveland
Friday May 19th, 2006
7:00 PM

Da "Q", Quicken Loans Arena, Cleveland, Ohio
Built 1994, Capacity 20,562

TV: ESPN
Radio: WDFN 1130 AM

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Lets finish this 97-93 Pistons.

Pistons been talking all year about HCA. Let`s get this game 7 back at the Palace so we can utilize that HCA!!!!!!!!

We played our worst game of the season in Game 4 and only lost by 2. We can win this.

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i believe.

I'll be nowhere but here today(aside from my workout and back therapy) but I dont think I can chat tonight. I want total focus on this game. Maybe we can leave the chat open til after the Mavs/Spurs go off or at least one extra hour after Pistons win:fingerscr .

i might be at the bar w/my sis, her bf, and a hottie watchin the game. i've had bad luck at the bar watchin games but i'm sayin screw the superstitions tonight, i tried them and they failed me at the palace.

so i say **** you jobou. you no help me now. i do this myself.

I'll be on chat, I think. I'm going to have the sound turned down on the Pistons game, though. I'm sick of all the LeBron exclamations and I don't want to listen to the Cleveland crowd tonight. I'll have the Tigers game on MLB radio and I'll watch the Pistons. That, my friends, is the best of both worlds.

i might be at the bar w/my sis, her bf, and a hottie watchin the game. i've had bad luck at the bar watchin games but i'm sayin screw the superstitions tonight, i tried them and they failed me at the palace.

so i say **** you jobou. you no help me now. i do this myself. I asked this question the other night but I didnt hear from "U". Did yall feeel ' a little funny" when u didnt see Ben in THE FRO? the palace looked real subdued. also Sheed didnt do his center court hop either. I kinda did feel blah and I think if he GOES FRO tonight, we win by 10.....

I asked this question the other night but I didnt hear from "U". Did yall feeel ' a little funny" when u didnt see Ben in THE FRO? the palace looked real subdued. also Sheed didnt do his center court hop either. I kinda did feel blah and I think if he GOES FRO tonight, we win by 10.....

yah i wasn't so much worried about the fro as i was about sheed not firing the crowd up before the start of the game with his center court spinning. when i saw ben without the fro i was a little surprised, but i figured what was going through ben's mind, was that they'd take game 5 without the fro, and he'd bust it out if necessary in game 7.

personally i hope he busts out the fro AND goggles tonight.

i want to reiterate the pistons forum motto for the day: think humility. wise words from microwave. i'm taking them to heart throughout the day and trying to live them myself in solidarity with the pistons.

And a quote from the late American novelist Henry Miller that backs it up beautifully:

"Acceptance is the solution: it is an art, not an egotistical performance on the part of the intellect. Through art, then, one finally establishes contact with reality: that is the great discovery. Here all is play and invention . . . the world has not to be put in order: the world is order incarnate. It is for us to put ourselves in unison with this order, to know what is the world order in contradistinction to the wishful thinking orders which we seek to impose on one another. The power which we long to possess, in order to establish the good, the true and the beautiful, would prove to be, if we could have it, but the means of destroying one another. It is fortunate that we are powerless. We have first to acquire vision, then discipline and forbearance. . . . the humility to acknowledge the existence of a vision beyond our own. . . . the great joy of the artist is to become aware of a higher order of things, to recognize by the compulsive and spontaneous manipulation of his own impulses the resemblance between human creation and what is called ‘divine’ creation."

May the pistons and we, their fans, all find ways tonight to acquire "vision, discipline, and forbearance" and so to tap into that order beyond the individual ego with its hopes and fears and become the artists that we are...


and lastly: think hunger, think freedom ("just another word for nothin' left to lose"), think fluidity ("be the ball danny, be the ball").

Listening to Chris McCoskey on WDFN. Basically, he says that people should quit blaming Flip and quit whining about the bench. Flip isn't out there missing shots and isn't telling his players to slack off on the pick and roll. Also, he said the bench hardly played in the 2004 title series over the Lakers. Basically, he says the Pistons' starting 5 are grown men and should be able to handle the situation adequately. They are just underperforming. McCoskey pretty much said, "Blame the starting 5."

Also, he said the bench hardly played in the 2004 title series over the Lakers.

Yes, that's definitely how I remember it. I think the pathetic Lakers' bench might have actually outscored the Pistons' bench in that series, or at least produced very similar numbers. The Pistons won that series because of their overwhelming advantage in production between the starting fives for both teams.

I just watched the last five minutes and especially the Drew Gooden play. Here's where THE COACH must anticipate what the other team will do, Play by play:

As James goes right side of the key. Hunter and Rip are guarding the wings, Tay is shading Marshall and Ben and Dice are eyeing Lebron...
Gooden floats along right baseline...
Ben is the DPOY but Dyess takes it on himself to step out on the double team!.....
Bron floats to Ft line and this is why u dont double a great passer- he dumps down to Gooden......
Gooden didnt go straight up. He dribbles- up fakes- THEN layyyyyssss
it in. Not dunk/not slam/ lay up!...
Prince could have just wrapped him up or sent a message or just Tay highlighted it, but the blames lies with 1. Dice and 2. Flip for not having Sheed in to man the lane....

..but I'm still venting...we lost

I still have not gotten over the Game 5 loss.:faint:

To add salt to injury, they have the Mavs/ Spurs game on instead (only 2 games a week) tonight. And I have yet to watch the Pistons play in the playoffs. I'm really pissed.:mad2: Only in the NBA Finals, they will have all the games 'live' here. And I still hope I can watch the Pistons play in the playoffs. So, please WIN the game tonight. :thumb:

What happen to the 'we've been waiting for the playoffs since game 7 of last year's NBA Finals'? No more excuse. Just play the game the way we're supposed to play and that is DETROIT BASKETBALL!!!:rockon:

GO PISTONS!!!

I have been wound up tighter than a drum since yesterday evening waiting for Game 6. The anticipation is killing me and it's like I am actually lacing up my shoes for the game, LOL. The boys gotta to pull it off.

GIVE THEM HELL MEN!:mad:

BHQ your posts are getting better and mine are getting worse.
We're supposed to have the best backcourt and front court. I want 50 from CB and Rip. CB needs to go to the hole on the bring up. Let Rip shoot the tre since his ankle is bad.
Ps 90
Brons 82

When the Pistons were down 3-2 to Miami last year, a coworker of mine was getting on me about the Pistons. So, to shut him up, we made a very public bet here in the office. Of course, the Pistons came through and he has been silent ever since...

Until now that is when he jumped on the LeBron bandwagon. So I have granted him his wish to go double or nothing. Martin's disrespect seemed to rev up the Pistons last time, so I think it should get them going again this year.

When the Pistons were down 3-2 to Miami last year, a coworker of mine was getting on me about the Pistons. So, to shut him up, we made a very public bet here in the office. Of course, the Pistons came through and he has been silent ever since...

Until now that is when he jumped on the LeBron bandwagon. So I have granted him his wish to go double or nothing. Martin's disrespect seemed to rev up the Pistons last time, so I think it should get them going again this year.
Yeah, I made an avatar bet with Slippy yesterday.
We've got the series for sure now. :laugh:

(or you can call me Homer Simpson).

I'll be nowhere but here today(aside from my workout and back therapy) but I dont think I can chat tonight. I want total focus on this game. Maybe we can leave the chat open til after the Mavs/Spurs go off or at least one extra hour after Pistons win:fingerscr .

I'm with you Bro..time to view on the big HD TV tonight in the family room and see everything as opposed to looking at this little screen and my little TV here in my office. I may pop in the chat at halftime for a few comments, and if we are up by 15 with 2 minutes to go, then I will come back in to share in the hoopla :laugh: :)

However you have given us some luck being in the chat room, so you should at least log in and put up an (away) sign!!. :nod:

What's good fellow Pistons fans, I was SO sick after game 5 just like most of you likely were but guess what.... WE AIN'T DEAD YET FOLKS!!!!! We know this team and if it's 1 team in the league that's more than capable of pulling themselves up by their damned boot straps and out of this F'd up predicament it's our Detroit Pistons!!! I ain't no damned punk %%% fairweather fan that's why I'm right here...

I AIN'T NEVA JUMPIN SHIP!!!! LET'S GO PISTONS, LET'S GET GET BACK TO WORK IN DIS BIOTCH!!!!!!!!!!

No way am I dealing with the national media tonight. I will not have the volume turned on at all tonight. The last thing I need to hear is the "doom and gloom" and the various "on the brink" statements from the TNT guys. I ain't putting up with it. No way, no how. The "mute" is a wonderful thing.

Gotta play like it is 1 and done.1st to 4th no letting up.No looking back, tonights the game of the season so far for us.Man the anticipation of seeing this team play their arsses of tonight is killing me, I can't wait.

I'm with you Bro..time to view on the big HD TV tonight in the family room and see everything as opposed to looking at this little screen and my little TV here in my office. I may pop in the chat at halftime for a few comments, and if we are up by 15 with 2 minutes to go, then I will come back in to share in the hoopla :laugh: :)

However you have given us some luck being in the chat room, so you should at least log in and put up an (away) sign!!. :nod: I hear ya...I just got through listening to our home boy Fred Hammond who made a song that said "Late in the midnight hour, God's gonna turn it around, He's gonna work in your fav-ah"... I love that song. Now I know God got better things to worry about than this, but the song motivated Me anyway!:laugh: :amen: Luv ya Bruh!

I still have not gotten over the Game 5 loss.:faint:

To add salt to injury, they have the Mavs/ Spurs game on instead (only 2 games a week) tonight. And I have yet to watch the Pistons play in the playoffs. I'm really pissed.:mad2: Only in the NBA Finals, they will have all the games 'live' here. And I still hope I can watch the Pistons play in the playoffs. So, please WIN the game tonight. :thumb:

What happen to the 'we've been waiting for the playoffs since game 7 of last year's NBA Finals'? No more excuse. Just play the game the way we're supposed to play and that is DETROIT BASKETBALL!!!:rockon:

GO PISTONS!!!Not got over Game 5 loss...sound familiar?:laugh: Luv ya Bruh!

BHQ your posts are getting better and mine are getting worse.
We're supposed to have the best backcourt and front court. I want 50 from CB and Rip. CB needs to go to the hole on the bring up. Let Rip shoot the tre since his ankle is bad.
Ps 90
Brons 82 I'm sending out nuttin but luv 2nite Bruh! just bring the funk and keep the faith. I'll be on chat 2nite just cuz u motivated me to get in there!:laugh:

Beer Number 4...watchin "My name is Earl......................."

Here are my keys to a great win tonight:

1. Offensive Balance, i.e. assist/turnover ratio. Make the good pass not the cross court/fancy-pretty one. see CB,
2. Guard Bron one on one. Tay for a bit and ben for another. tay can handle Gooden , sheed and Dice can handle Z.
3. Pressure the ball. If Flip played his bench right and stopped worryin bout wearing out his starters, he could pressure Snow all night.
4. Us! postitive energy , yall! Ommmhmmm! Ho-sheee!
see yall later

"Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears!
I come to bury LeBron, not to praise him."

Chat is open!

Lounge should be fixed!

"Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears!
I come to bury LeBron, not to praise him."

Chat is open!

Lounge should be fixed!I'm all up in it!!!

can't get in chat!!

http://www.pistonsforum.com/news/853-pistonsforum-com-game-chat-debut.html

Clean out your flash cookies (see last post in that thread). You were just in chat and you left!!!!

Ahhhhhh, still feels good. Pulled out the Hammer Time Tee.

IT'S BLAZEN HAZEN TIME!!!!

ben wallace sucks. he is destroying our offense. his man is doubling every time. he's not even rebounding why is he in there????? :frusty::mad::doh:

ben wallace sucks. he is destroying our offense. his man is doubling every time. he's not even rebounding why is he in there????? :frusty::mad::doh:

Ben just won us the game. Good job getting that offensive rebound and getting the ball to Chauncey. If Lebron didn't get so many calls ben would be an even bigger hero right now because he blocked Lebron so many times. Big Shot is back, Sheed, Rip, and tay all did great. This is how we do it!:nod::nod::nod::nod:

I did my part by doubting this team. They had to PROVE SOMBODY wrong! and thats hard to do when you're the number one seed with the best record in the league.

Were on for GAME 7 :rockon:

Ugly win but HCA is intact and maybe the momentum will shift. Shooting % from the FT was awful but the FG% was decent.

Chauncey Billups blows.

Rip Hamilton was fantastic.

Free throws? Ugh. But it shouldn't have been this close. The Pistons defense was terrible in the second half.

Alright that's the D shining through.D as in Detroit and Defense when it counted.HCA test time now.Not the most perfect game ft wise and some fg shortcomings in the 4th but it's a W.

Enjoy this today and game 7 is not gonna happen soon enough.

GAME 7 GAME 7 GAME 7 GAME 7 GAME 7 GAME 7 GAME 7 GAME 7 GAME 7

DETROIT BASKETBALL DETROIT BASKETBALL



VAMOSSSSSSSSSS COME ON LET? GO FORZA ANDIAMO

i crazy

Still breathing. That's the bottom line. Doesn't matter how the Pistons got there, they got to a Game 7 after a near collapse. Shows a lot of moxie. I'm proud of this team, but so many places to improve. I'm not gonna play devil's advocate tonight, however, I'm too tired. I'm going to enjoy this and tape my mouth shut.

Chauncey Billups blows.

Hey Roscoe, ahb just asked for a lifetime ban.

Chauncey Billups blows.

Rip Hamilton was fantastic.

Free throws? Ugh. But it shouldn't have been this close. The Pistons defense was terrible in the second half.

Chauncey did fine. He did bad in the first half though.

Hey Roscoe, ahb just asked for a lifetime ban.
No bans. AHB is cool with me. He'll argue in a civil manner with anyone who disagrees. I respect that.

Ben just won us the game. Good job getting that offensive rebound and getting the ball to Chauncey. If Lebron didn't get so many calls ben would be an even bigger hero right now because he blocked Lebron so many times. Big Shot is back, Sheed, Rip, and tay all did great. This is how we do it!:nod::nod::nod::nod:

flip murray lost the ball. ben didn't get that rebound it fell in his hands. i still give him credit for grabbing it. ben's man doubled the whole game so it wouldn't have even came down to having to grab a late game rebound.

mcdyess needs to play more. i'm tired of flip. he subbed mcdyess out in the 4th after only like 3 plays. ben hasn't rebounded. his man is doubling everyone and clogging the lane. ben can't hit a shot. ben won't take shots.

mcdyess needs to play more. i'm tired of flip. he subbed mcdyess out in the 4th after only like 3 plays. ben hasn't rebounded. his man is doubling everyone and clogging the lane. ben can't hit a shot. ben won't take shots.

I think he went with the starters because they've been in this situation all together many times. Dice isn't a gig drop of from Sheed, but Dice never would have got the calls Sheed did. He always is the culprit for some reason.:noidea:

No bans. AHB is cool with me. He'll argue in a civil manner with anyone who disagrees. I respect that.

That was a Sheed foul in game 5. :P

mcdyess needs to play more. i'm tired of flip. he subbed mcdyess out in the 4th after only like 3 plays. ben hasn't rebounded. his man is doubling everyone and clogging the lane. ben can't hit a shot. ben won't take shots.bball, you should empty your diaper and start over. In case you haven't heard

WE WON TONIGHT!

No bans. AHB is cool with me. He'll argue in a civil manner with anyone who disagrees. I respect that.

You're a Big Shot hater as well, I see. :laugh: Now you're banned from your own site. :laugh:

Boy, am I relieved. FINALLY a win in a super-close gut-check game. And finally some clutch production by MR. BIG SHOT.

Now it's time to kick some butt in Game 7, and get some momentum going into the Miami series.

Boy, am I relieved. FINALLY a win in a super-close gut-check game. And finally some clutch production by MR. BIG SHOT.

Now it's time to kick some butt in Game 7, and get some momentum going into the Miami series.

Yes, MR. BIG SHOT!!!! He lives up to his name.

Chauncey did fine. He did bad in the first half though. He was outplayed by Eric Snow for the duration of the game. And while he came up with two clutch buckets and drew some important fouls in the 4th quarter, and came up with a strip of James, but he made a number of mistakes down the stretch, too. The stretch in the final 24 seconds where he gave up the ball to Sheed and then missed a game-sealing free throw wasn't the brightest moment in his career.

I still have at least the hope that it was a turning point in his matchups with Eric Snow, though. A 25 point, 8 assist game at the Palace would be nice. :ohwell:

It's good to see the Pistons finally win a close game, but playing with the lead and the penalty and not needing any of Flop's clutch playcalling helped with that.

And how about that rebounding? :nod: I've got an idea - the Pistons should try doing that a little more often.

Yeah, Chauncey was bad until the last part of the 4th quarter. Ain't no denyin' that.

You're a Big Shot hater as well, I see. :laugh: Now you're banned from your own site. :laugh:
Make my day. Only the guys on the staff know how much I really do. I need a vacation. As soon as Joe spends all of our salary exceptions in the summer.

I don't know about anyone else...but I am happily exhausted after this game.

Hey Roscoe, ahb just asked for a lifetime ban.WORD!!!!!!!!!! btw..if we win the title , can we still fire Flip????

Make my day. Only the guys on the staff know how much I really do. I need a vacation. As soon as Joe spends all of our salary exceptions in the summer.

Greatly appreciated, this fancy site you got here is the best thing that ever happened to me (internet based). You da man!!!

I think he went with the starters because they've been in this situation all together many times. Dice isn't a gig drop of from Sheed, but Dice never would have got the calls Sheed did. He always is the culprit for some reason.:noidea:

no. i'm saying put mcdyess in for ben. sheed and mcdyess are our best lineup for this series. cleveland doesn't have a dominant big man that mcdyess can't check as well as ben. but mcdyess gives us loads of offense and his man can't freely double and play zone like ben's man does. but you are right dice gets no calls but i don't think anybody on the pistons is getting calls in this series.

WORD!!!!!!!!!! btw..if we win the title , can we still fire Flip????

If it was up to some people we'd fire Ben too!!!

And Mo. What a tragedy that would be.

Here's my OvertheTop prediction for Sunday?...Dice 16 pts. 11 rebounds! As he goes, we gone.....BTW Lindsays stats not bad 5 rebs, 2 steals, 3 assists.

If it was up to some people we'd fire Ben too!!!

more like a relocation or demotion. ben isn't worth a max contract.

flip has dodged a bullet. i think he can redeem himself. nothing makes you forget coaching blunders like a nba title. lb made blunders even in the finals but we won the title so they were forgotten. flip can still be a great coach for the pistons.

Lindsey was really great tonight. He gets called for those chippy calls, but the "phonebooth" defense is a look that LeBron almost never sees. The fouls are considered when you weight out the total value of taking a star out of his comfort zone.

That is exactly how Rodman played Jordan. Dumars would play him straight up (Tay) and Rodman would come in, going belly to belly, trying to get into Michael's head.

i think he can redeem himself. nothing makes you forget coaching blunders like a nba title. lb made blunders even in the finals but we won the title so they were forgotten. flip can still be a great coach for the pistons.
Let's hope so. Sometimes I worry that you are going to go "Lee Harvey Oswald" at the parade.

wow. well anyone who wants to can find the worms in this victory, but i just can't for the life of me understand the joy in that. different strokes i guess...

for me, this was, first of all, a win when the opposite would have meant the end of the season. that alone is reason enough to feel happy.

then, individually: good shooting game from sheed (who wasn't afraid to mix it up on the block), ditto on the block for tayshaun, consistent play from rip, ben may not have been a cosntant presence, but he made some big plays, chauncey regained some of his aggressiveness after the half, lindsey gave good defensive minutes (and 5 boards!) off the bench, and so did dyess, though the refs seemed hellbent on taking him out of the game.

as a team, i was glad to see the turnovers drastically cut back to normal after halftime. i was also glad to see them patiently working tay and sheed on the block and working the pick and roll more effectively (finally sheed posted snow up on one of those switches!). in other words, our shot selection was improved and that showed in our fg % (46 % and 43 behind the arc). I also was happy to see them trap up on Lebron on a little bit less -- they seemed quicker and more communicative so that someone might just step out to help for a moment and then get back to their guy: consequently, i think, lebron started to try to do it all by himself in the 4th and the cavs turnovers went up and the production by the other cavs went down. i was glad to see the varejao/marshall production in points and boards cut down as well.

i know it was only a two point game and that in the first half, though the pistons certainly looked more energetic, they seemed no more intelligent or efficient; but they weathered the storm and put together, in the second half, their best half in several games. finally, they shot 16 of 28 from the line. if they just made half of those 12 missed free throws, then it's an 8 point game (and who knows, maybe more since a bigger cushion at certain points in the game might have changed the dynamic; taken the crowd out, etc.).

now, though i'm not interested in harping on these things, there are a few points i'd be happy to see improve still further (in addition to the ft shooting) so that i can enjoy a nice, relaxing game 7 blow out: 1) don't guard varejao and gooden so tightly on the pick and rolls, sag off them; because guarding them tightly 20 feet from the hoop seems to me to give them a head start to the bucket where lebron finds them for easy dunks, which is about the only way they'll score; 2) clean up the rotations on the defensive boards, with special focus on Z, who had several easy tips; 3) don't be so afraid to shoot open jumpers early in the shot clock. i'm not necessarily saying they need to go PHX on the cavs, nor that they should start chucking up no-pass 3 pointers, but they need to loosen up the offensive flow a little more in my opinion and regain their confidence on mid-range jumpers, esp. chauncey and tay.

Let's hope so. Sometimes I worry that you are going to go "Lee Harvey Oswald" at the parade.
no the pistons are safe. i'm not allowed within 500 feet of ben wallace, larry brown, mo evans, lindsey hunter, darvin ham, danny crawford, micheal curry or flip saunders. i'd get arrested on sight.

i do have my spot still picked out on the parade route. i still believe.

now, though i'm not interested in harping on these things, there are a few points i'd be happy to see improve still further (in addition to the ft shooting) so that i can enjoy a nice, relaxing game 7 blow out: 1) don't guard varejao and gooden so tightly on the pick and rolls, sag off them; because guarding them tightly 20 feet from the hoop seems to me to give them a head start to the bucket where lebron finds them for easy dunks, which is about the only way they'll score; 2) clean up the rotations on the defensive boards, with special focus on Z, who had several easy tips; 3) don't be so afraid to shoot open jumpers early in the shot clock. i'm not necessarily saying they need to go PHX on the cavs, nor that they should start chucking up no-pass 3 pointers, but they need to loosen up the offensive flow a little more in my opinion and regain their confidence on mid-range jumpers, esp. chauncey and tay.

i agree and i'll add. go to the bench more. delk didn't really produce but at least put him back in the game. let mcdyess foul out. what are you saving him for flip?? if he fouls out you can put the dpoy back in the game.

foul lebron hard when he comes to the hole. no more easy layups. you're going to get the call on you anyway.

i agree and i'll add. go to the bench more. delk didn't really produce but at least put him back in the game. let mcdyess foul out. what are you saving him for flip?? if he fouls out you can put the dpoy back in the game.

foul lebron hard when he comes to the hole. no more easy layups. you're going to get the call on you anyway. Seems to me our dpoy kept LBJ from a few AND1s tonight with several erasures. Something we hadn't done before.

Seems to me our dpoy kept LBJ from a few AND1s tonight with several erasures. Something we hadn't done before.

yup. he sure did. his man also doubled sheed and tay relentlessly in the post without having to pay for it. his man also clogged up the paint so rip and cb couldn't drive to the hoop. our dpoy also got dunked on by lebron that got the crowd back into the game. lebron is hard to check especially with the way the refs are calling the game. i say if the refs aren't going to allow the pistons to defend lebron then why not have a player in there that can help on offense instead of hinder. mcdyess had it going early and flip went away from him. i think this has to do with ben being in a contract year.

you think ben would sign with us next year if mcdyess takes his minutes for the remainder of the season???

WORD!!!!!!!!!! btw..if we win the title , can we still fire Flip????

probably not, unfortunately

but maybe he'll have more oversight of his game plans or lack therof

Postgame audio.

Names on files are self explanatory.

Notes:

Mike Brown talks too much. It's like he's trying to teach reporters or justify his ability to coach. Waaaay too long winded.

LeBron James is as boring as you would think he could be. He doesn't take any risks or provide anything of value EXCEPT, he did complain about the phantom call he got at the endof the game. He would have rather the refs did not give a trip the free throw line, and that Flip Murray take the open 3 from the corner off of his pass. Gee, too bad we can't turn conspiracies (sic) off and on at will eh, Bron Bron?

One more thing. Lebron does something I find really creepy during interviews. He brings in a statistical crib sheet like some coaches do, and he refers to it constantly to answer questions. It just seems so.... contrived.

Rasheed Wallace. You gotta love him as a person. A frustrating basketball player at times, he's honest, never afraid to say something silly ("Ben is erratic on the boards...") and doesn't dodge the tough questions.

Flip. The only thing that keeps me from leading the lynch mob is that he gives good press. Excellent in front of the mic, handles his business, throw no one under the bus, takes some heat, explains some heat away and makes off before anyone can really peel the skin from his hide. I imagine that many of us who don't like Flip would be surprised to know that he is really not all that different from Chuck Daly.

nJoy. All files are in MP3 format.

A very good morning from the Netherlands, what a way to start a saturday :)

When I got up, my cable was down:mad: , but fortunately after wating almost 1 hour everything was online again.
Well, it was worth the waiting. I had my mind set to a loss already, so this came as a huge surprise. I cannot wait to see this game. And that will be.......ehm...... tomorrow??:ohwell:

That was the Detroit Pistons against the Refs. I'm really not sure how much more one sided a game could be called.

If Lebron is going to complain about the phantom foul at the end that "denied" his team 3 points, he should probably fess up to the 4 times he was cleanly blocked by Big Ben, which resulted in 7 for 8 shooting from the line. This is about as credible as boxing.

I think I'm going to make the transition to College bball in the off season.

OK we are feelin good now, and we can all get a good's night rest and think for at least another day we can relax as our beloveds have staved off elimination. :whoo: :amen:

The Palace will be a mad house Sunday and my suggestion is the Pistons wear the 8-0 red uniforms, :mad2: and have all the fans wear red too and big afros to if they have them.
Of course, Ben will have to have the wife unravel the braids as the Fear the Fro has to be in effect :rockon::rant:.

Just because we are back at home don't mean a thang. I hope it's not another chess and boxin match:boxing:to the end, as that might take the fans out out of it. We got to smash these guys :smash: early and blow them out in the first half shut & down Labron before he can control the game like has done the last 16-17 quarters. I don't think I can sit through another labronailbiting 2 point game. Our biggest lead in this game was 4 points 83-79:mad:.

We got to shoot better at the FT line.....even if we win sunday's game it will be hard pressed to get to victory #16, shooting 16-28 from line or worst every game.


Lets hope tonight victory restores confidence and gets the offense back in gear. The 3's is what got them here and other than Sheed, we were afraid to take them. It's not like were pounding thim in the paint..mix it up and stop being tentative.

Nine to the Ship :first:

Finally, the Cleveland strangehold is broken. Just barely. We could have lost. But now the psychology is all against Cleveland. Le Bron will be pressed to take it upon his shoulders Sunday and the Pistons will be energized and run a looser offense. It looked bad for a while. They got into our passing lanes. They knew when to double the post, etc. We had breakdowns on defense. But we finally took and hit some shots.

I have said this before, this team when pressed, instead of staying with its offensive game, tightens up and drives and goes one on one. We are not good down in the block. We are good when we take the open J and when we pass or run a play to get it. A case in point--Chauncey driving down around the basket and coming back out and THEN shooting the three in a flow. Bam! Sheed, Bam! When we hit our daggers our defense becomes energized. How many shots did Ilgouskis block tonight??

Its over. Cleveland is done. But we have many lessons to learn from this series.

OK we are feelin good now, and we can all get a good's night rest and think for at least another day we can relax as our beloveds have staved off elimination. :whoo: :amen:

The Palace will be a mad house Sunday and my suggestion is the Pistons wear the 8-0 red uniforms, :mad2: and have all the fans wear red too and big afros to if they have them.
Of course, Ben will have to have the wife unravel the braids as the Fear the Fro has to be in effect :rockon::rant:.


LA Dre, what an inspired use of smilies in your euphoric victory post!

So how are we going to get your equally inspired Red Palace idea out?

Does anyone on this board know anyone who knows anyone who could make this happen? Can we email the Pistons organization, or a fan club with the idea? It would be way cool. And I love the Return to Red uniforms. They are quite fetching on our boys.

mcdyess needs to play more. i'm tired of flip. he subbed mcdyess out in the 4th after only like 3 plays. ben hasn't rebounded. his man is doubling everyone and clogging the lane. ben can't hit a shot. ben won't take shots.

i watched all of the postgame interviews on FSN, and flip TRIED to put dice back in the game, but he said NO keep sheed in there because he was doing okay and he didn't want his ankle to get cold and sore, he wanted sheed to stay loose. just thought you'd like to know. :)

also dice man, he wants this BAD. kelser said he was an animal in the morning practice, completely focused and determined. and if you couldn't get the FSN broadcast, kelser said that mcdyess didn't even change out of his jersey after game 5. he kept his jersey on and drove home in it. can you tell this guy didn't want that to be the last home game of the year?

aurora, not sure about your red palace thingie, especially since i believe you can only wear the alternate jerseys 8 or 9 times throughout the year which we may have exceeded. i could be wrong on that. what i'd rather see is a concerted effort to make it like a college game, where everyone just goes 'ooooooooo' real loudly and jumps up and down whenever cleveland has the ball.

what i'd rather see is a concerted effort to make it like a college game, where everyone just goes 'ooooooooo' real loudly and jumps up and down whenever cleveland has the ball.

Good luck getting the college-game effect. I don't think the Palace crowd has it in them. Too many rich folks soaking in the whole social atmosphere. These rich cats relish being in "the right place at the right time." They like getting on TV. I cringe every time they show Kid Rock's redneck mug. People around the country begin to associate Kid Rock with Detroit. I hate that. Kid Rock is a nasty, greasy-haired beetch.

Anyway, back to the game. Mike Brown pretty much screwed the pooch last night. While Detroit was getting all those offensive rebounds, his best rebounder was standing next to him on the bench: Drew Gooden. Great for us, of course. One of the worst things has happened to Brown. His team has gotten good enough that he is actually presented with "options." The bad thing about having options is you don't always choose the right one. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20.

Also, Cavs didn't use the timeout they had. Brown said he wanted to "save it" in case Cleveland scored quickly, fouled and got the ball back. Tough call on that one. Just got done listening to Brown's reasoning on that one and it seems pretty sound to me. Thanks, Micro, for posting the pc clips. I appreciate that.

Bad thing about this game 7: No rest for Sheed's ankle. ECF starts on Tuesday, I believe. Sheed's ankle ain't getting any better. If this team had taken care of bidness, the guy coulda got some rest. Pretty much sucks.

We aint traveling Zoo.
I hit the Cleve total on the knob, 82
BBj, if we don't make the ECF or don't get the 'ship, is BBen gone or Flip?
Something tells me the Miami series will be just as rough. And Riley will adjust.

We aint traveling Zoo.

Yup, that's a saving grace. The HCA will end up serving us well, I think.

The palace better be the loudest building we've seen yet.

Hey, where's the thread for Sundays game?

Round 2 Game 7 - "The Witness Falls" (http://www.pistonsforum.com/2006-playoffs/2726-round-2-game-7-witness-falls.html)

Thank max.

i watched all of the postgame interviews on FSN, and flip TRIED to put dice back in the game, but he said NO keep sheed in there because he was doing okay and he didn't want his ankle to get cold and sore, he wanted sheed to stay loose. just thought you'd like to know. :)

also dice man, he wants this BAD. kelser said he was an animal in the morning practice, completely focused and determined. and if you couldn't get the FSN broadcast, kelser said that mcdyess didn't even change out of his jersey after game 5. he kept his jersey on and drove home in it. can you tell this guy didn't want that to be the last home game of the year?


yes. i heard that too but i think he should have put dice in for ben not for sheed. sheed's ankle was doing fine. i know mcdyess wants it bad that's why i want him on the floor. in the flip shouldn't have waited until the 4th to finally get dice back into the game. mcdyess wanted it so bad he had a few travel calls and flip took him out never giving him a chance to settle down and take it to the cavs. mcdyess would be a 20 and 10 player for us if flip would put him on the floor. he isn't like sheed where you have to basically force him to be a go to guy. mcdyess comes in and he's leaving it all on the floor. ben can help us next series against miami but for now unleash mcdyess.

We aint traveling Zoo.
I hit the Cleve total on the knob, 82
BBj, if we don't make the ECF or don't get the 'ship, is BBen gone or Flip?
Something tells me the Miami series will be just as rough. And Riley will adjust.

i think both are gone if we dont' make the ecf. ben doesn't seem like his heart is in detroit. i just dont' see the everywhere on the court ben wallace. i don't see the contract year ben wallace. i think ben will be gone cause he doesn't want to be here. he feels under appreciated and unloved by flip.

i think flip will be gone. joe will not accept a second round exit. joe gave him all the cards got rid of malcontents. joe brought in offensive firepower and flips boy. if flip doens't win it after that he's gone.

Thanks for the interviews, roscoe. I agree with your descriptions, except for Flop. I'm probably one of the only people on the planet who enjoyed LB's interview style.
what i'd rather see is a concerted effort to make it like a college game, where everyone just goes 'ooooooooo' real loudly and jumps up and down whenever cleveland has the ball.
:mad:#1 reason aside from the abysmal quality of the basketball played and Dick Vitale that I hate college basketball.

We won that's it........I do wish I could see some EXECUTION down the stretch.
Ben is suffering under Flip. 2 or 3 times Ben could have had dunks easily had he rotated to the front of the rim on offense, now he's back to that RC system.......Get out of the way and fly in for an offensive rebound when the shot goes up. Ben is so out of sync offensively from where he was a year ago it ain't even funny. I hope and pray it turns around. Somethings gotta give here....but seeing as how SanAnton and Det won game 6's on the road, it sets up a real nice story line.

okay guys i got a secret postgame interview recorded of cleveland coach mike brown (please no one take offense to anything in here, it's all in good fun :))

http://beta.whgl.net/files/mike_brown_real_postgame_2006-05-19.mp3

okay guys i got a secret postgame interview recorded of cleveland coach mike brown (please no one take offense to anything in here, it's all in good fun :))

http://beta.whgl.net/files/mike_brown_real_postgame_2006-05-19.mp3

:laugh::laugh::laugh::pound::pound::pound:

okay guys i got a secret postgame interview recorded of cleveland coach mike brown (please no one take offense to anything in here, it's all in good fun :))

http://beta.whgl.net/files/mike_brown_real_postgame_2006-05-19.mp3

That was freakin' hilarious. Smile of the day. Thanks, Hog. :nod:

:pound::hail:

okay guys i got a secret postgame interview recorded of cleveland coach mike brown (please no one take offense to anything in here, it's all in good fun :))

http://beta.whgl.net/files/mike_brown_real_postgame_2006-05-19.mp3

Oh my god, too too too funny. Especially comments about the lost opportunity of having certain posters on Cavs forums!

:laugh: :whoo: :roll: rolling on the floor lol :roll: :whoo: :laugh:

okay guys i got a secret postgame interview recorded of cleveland coach mike brown (please no one take offense to anything in here, it's all in good fun :))

http://beta.whgl.net/files/mike_brown_real_postgame_2006-05-19.mp3

:pound:Definitely should be awarded audio post of the year! Very very creative.

My wife walked in the room and was like "wtf is that"????

I tried very briefly to explain 180 and company to her...then said, "forget it...just think cartoon characters". She gave me a condescending pat on the shoulder and walked out of the room shaking her head. :laugh:

She gave me a condescending pat on the shoulder and walked out of the room shaking her head. :laugh:

Man, do I know what that's like! :laugh:

Heh, what about that British reporter who asked about why they didn't get Darko at the trading deadline? You da man, Hog. :laugh:

For the next press conference, maybe Blazen Hazen can show up and drop some rhymes to introduce the coach? :heh:

Damn no audio.