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Series 3-3
Sunday May 21st, 2006
3:30 PM

The Palace of Auburn Hills, Auburn Hills, MI

TV: ABC
Radio: WDFN 1130 AM

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I like it, I don`t know if this is arrogance, confidence or just plain brilliance.

Game 7, I will be a witness, damn that crowd at the Palace will be loud!!!
DEEEEEEETROIT BAAAAAAASKETBALL!!!:laugh:

Take that stupid quick and loans crowd out of the game fast. Man it would be great if we went on a 12-2 run or something like that to start the game. We have to win Game 6 first though.

Pistons have the advantage back again and we finally saw that famous Piston "extra gear" at the end of game 6.

I suspect its sinking in to the Cavs that they cannot beat the Pistons. That look of shock and awe on LBJ face said it all. This whole thing started in game 2 when nearly erasing a 20+ point deficit gave them the confidence to think they could get it done. Now they have lost that. Just watch things swing in game 7. Cavs will not be as crisp and confindent on D. Pistons will be back home on a mission to win at all costs after working so hard all season and closing out game 6 the right way.

I expect better shooting, better rebounding, ball movement, single digit TO's and most of all that Piston playoff defense.

The McKenzie Brothers are not going to put down those beers until the trophy is hoisted.

These guys are just pulling our heart strings. Even if we get past KingJ Flip can't hang with Riley or Pop or AJ.
89, 84
Not sure which one will be Ps score.

The crowd at game 5 was horrible! This one better be a good one.

87-81 Pistons.

The crowd at game 5 was horrible! This one better be a good one.

87-81 Pistons.

I think everyone was in shock on how close and low scoring it was. Everyone thought it would be a blowout, the vegas line was 12 points.

Now that everyone knows what kind of series this is it will be different. Its an elimination game.

I have a feeling we will be back to our old ways. The game will be over by the end of the 3rd quarter and we will score between 95-100. Lebron will score 35pts but it wont matter the least. I cant wait to wake up at 530 to listen to the game. Yippie!! GO PISTONS!!!!

These guys are just pulling our heart strings. Even if we get past KingJ Flip can't hang with Riley or Pop or AJ.
89, 84
Not sure which one will be Ps score.

Why is Riley such a fantastic coach? He won with a stacked Lakers team, after that he has not done anything by the way of winning ships, though the Knicks were caught in the Jordan era. They blew it against Houston. AJ is as unproven as anybody else, let him win before trashing Flip.

Why is Riley such a fantastic coach? He won with a stacked Lakers team, after that he has not done anything by the way of winning ships, though the Knicks were caught in the Jordan era. They blew it against Houston. AJ is as unproven as anybody else, let him win before trashing Flip.

Totally agree with this. I think Riles is vastly overrated. If Miami loses in the ECF, Stan Van Gundy will be somewhere smiling.

If Miami loses in the ECF, Stan Van Gundy will be somewhere smiling.
And eating a cheese burger.

The fans just have to be up for this.Pistons by 10.This is where experience should pay off.We didn't bust butt in game 6 to let them beat us at home,too much energy,too much Deetroit Basketball!!

Help me out guys and this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!
Does anyone know if Anita Baker is singing the National Anthem tomarrow??? We've gotton so off track, no mo' fro'.......no Anita Baker singing for good luck......this sucks.

okay guys i'm off to the palace!! i'll be doin my part to keep our section LOUD!! GO PISTONS!!

Good thing you are going to the game Warthog because i believe you have an outstanding record when attending games a home. Lets get it done Detroit. Go Pistons!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Off to the game. Talk to you all after the Piston Victory.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLLL..............

I think this game will have the Palace crowd on their feet screaming like nutcases. I'm hoping for a 8-10 point game in the Pistons favor. Enough with these close games, my heart can't take the pressure anymore!!! I am SO TIRED of the King James media hype I could literally throw up!! PISTONS show James the exit door and dethrone the fool!!!
GO PISTONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ON to the Miami Heat!!!

The key strategy will be Hunter picking up Bron full court.
That was a nice surprise strategy similar to Bowen switching to Chauncey.... however Cleveland will be ready this time... they'll most likely run Bron straight to the post...
If Bron brings the ball up Lindsay will be a good choice... the only way Labron gets the humping Chihuaua off his leg is to rub him off screens... this plays perfectly into our game plan as we'll switch a bigger player on him...
The Cavs would be wise to have someone else bring the ball up (when LH is in the game) and just feed Bron down low.
Watch this closely.

So, this is what HCA is all about? Damn, I envy hog, wiould love to "Witness" this live!! This is what the Pistons have been talking about since pre-season. HCA, here it is. Game 7, at The Palace.

Anything less than a 15 point win is unacceptable. Well, anything other than a loss is acceptable, however, a blowout, good old Motown Beatdown is in order here.

We must set the tone now, that if any series does go 7, this is what is going to happen, in our house. Lebron will be shut down (only 20 -7 & 5 today) by a host of Pistons.

Rip will be coming off screens for oh, 30-35.........

The Heat watching on TV will have only one word after watching the Pistons this afternoon on TV..........DAMN

WE BELIEVE!


GO PISTONS!

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Come one, come all. Game seven is on the line. We need all the help we can get!!

Help me out guys and this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!
Does anyone know if Anita Baker is singing the National Anthem tomarrow??? We've gotton so off track, no mo' fro'.......no Anita Baker singing for good luck......this sucks.

Just keep in mind, we now have Blazin Hazen.

AnnyK and Zoo, I think I'm believing all the anti-Flip talk. He won't adjust quick enough.

Hey, I can`t log into chat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he needs to be taken out of the game. his man is double teaming and playing zone. as soon as the double team happens ben is supposed to head toward the rim. he's not doing that and isn't getting any rebounds. why is he in the game????

ben sucks.

DETROIT BASKETBALL!!!!

tay carried us. i think we are on to something. i'm so glad lebron is over. it's time for flip to seriously look at his sub patterns. it's time for mcdyess to get more minutes than ben.

he needs to be taken out of the game. his man is double teaming and playing zone. as soon as the double team happens ben is supposed to head toward the rim. he's not doing that and isn't getting any rebounds. why is he in the game????

ben sucks.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, bballjay.

Great win by the PISTONS. Yeah baby!!!!! Bring on Wade and the gang. :fingerscr

Defence was awesome today holding the cavs to 30.8% from the field and 6 points to lebron in the 2nd half.:nod:

Catch yall in the chat in game 1. :fingerscr :fingerscr :fingerscr

Tay and Hunter Co-MVP's of the game for me!

Now THAT was Pistons basketball. We shattered our own record for fewest points allowed in a game 7 (69 against the Nets). And tied a record for least # of points allowed in the 2nd half of a playoff game.

I just wish we could have done it in 4 or 5 games instead of 7.

Lindsey Hunter did it, man oh man. I Will give Flip credit, going with Lindsey on Lebron last game was a good adjustment. LH got into LB's chest and took him off rhythm, and Lindsey aside from Rip is our only 'quick' player on this team. We definitely have to get a quick PG in the summer who can get into the paint.

Chauncey was horrific. 8 rebounds, though? Impressive. No more Snow for the rest of the playoffs.
Rip's shot was off, but his defense was solid.
Tayshaun's complete inability to pass out of a double-team hurt the Pistons, but his defense was decent and his early offense and OREBing were key.
Sheed did everything but hit his shots.
Ben wasn't all that good until the fourth quarter.
Lindsey was incredible and probably personally won the game.
Dice was terrible. A red carpet to the rim.
Delk was terrible.
Evans was consistent.

... the Pistons escape to the next round. Good team defense for the most part. But 11 assists? :tsk:

I have no read on the Miami series. The Pistons should win easily, but I said that about the Cleveland series as well.

Witness Accomplished!

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Tayshaun's complete inability to pass out of a double-team

the problem is the only person he had to pass to was ben. i'd rather tay throw it out of bounds than throw it to ben. watch the games then talk.

Dice was terrible. A red carpet to the rim.

who scored on mcdyess?? mcdyess at least scores on the other end. he rebounds and doesn't get pushed out by verajao like ben. he was much more active than ben. he was at least attacking the rim. watch the games.

Rip's shot was off, but his defense was solid.

Rip's shot wasn't too off. He was 5 for 10; 50% FG percentage, which is pretty good for a guard last I check. :nod: Now, missing 3 of his 8 FT was unlike Rip. But, it's all good.......we got the win.

Tay was the MVP of this series. I said at the beginning of the series that our Prince would reign. Glad he didn't disappoint.:)

I'm going to nominate warthog game 7 MVPf. How was it down there?

the problem is the only person he had to pass to was ben. i'd rather tay throw it out of bounds than throw it to ben. watch the games then talk. Bull%%%%. Ben on the floor doesn't screw up the spacing that much, particularly when Flop noticed what LB didn't and rotated Rip to the weakside corner when the baseline trap came, where he was WIDE OPEN on EVERY SINGLE Prince postup and got the ball maybe twice. Prince's tunnel vision on the block is a major reason why he'll never be as good as some homers think he is.
who scored on mcdyess?? Everyone. He can't guard anyone worth naming in the low post, his S/R coverage is horrible, and his help defense is beyond atrocious. To make things worse, he usually gives up and-1s on his uncontested layups.
he rebounds and doesn't get pushed out by verajao Untrue.

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Tay was the MVP of this series. I said at the beginning of the series that our Prince would reign. Glad he didn't disappoint.:)

Yeah the Prince reigned over the King. :nod:

But you got to give it to LBJ though ...he skipped princeship and went straight to kingShip...but no championship this year though.

After this game, everyone should know why Ben should NEVER get the ball offensively, except for tip- ins, tip- dunks or alley- oops. He's horrible, he can't dribble, he can't shoot and his free throws are just sad.
Sheed hit almost nothing...
mc Dyess was quite invisible... CB finally was solid and brought some stability into the game. Rip did ok.
Prince was good, solid D and nice abuse in the post.

A win is a win even if it is ugly.

Why does anyone think we will beat Miami easily? Did you watch them against the Nets? Nothing is coming easy from here on out.

The Pistons have been forced to step it up by the Cavs. Miami won't be easy but atleast the Pistons won't approach the series with a lax attitude. They are now playoff primed!!

Why does anyone think we will beat Miami easily? Did you watch them against the Nets? Nothing is coming easy from here on out.
The Nets can't hit jumpshots with any consistency and their only post option (Carter) was eliminated by Posey, which is ultimately why they lost. The Pistons, at least theoretically, can make perimeter shots.

The Pistons are a much better team than the Heat. But, as we've seen, that doesn't necessarily mean they'll win easily, or even at all.

I don't see where we are that much better that it merits an "easily" tag.

Carter played very well in that NJ series. It was Walker taking out Jefferson that made the difference.

I think we will win this thing but if it goes less then 6 I will be surprised.

Wade scares me. He hasn't played that well so far during this playoff series. Neither has Shaq. If they get going we will be in for a dog fight.

Tay has stepped up in this series. Flip has to trust the bench and give Tay a little rest. Lindsey was awesome. If the guys shot even decently from the FT line, this would have been a blowout.

I know Carter played well; I was just saying that his post-up game was largely taken away from him and he was forced to score on isolation dribble-drives and jumpshots.

Walker getting hot is the best thing that could have happened to us. He's shot somewhere in the twenties against the Pistons for the last three years, and his thinking that he can hit jumpers and consequently jacking them up at will should help Detroit, at least in the early games.

I'm sure Wade will kill us again, but I think how easily the Pistons win this series depends on whether Shaquille O'Neal is ref'd as relatively fairly as he has been in the first two rounds, or is allowed to go back to beating up his defenders on the block. The fat man is on the way out, but he's still got his bulk.

I expect Chauncey and Tayshaun's roles to be reversed in the next series. Billups should go off on GP/White Chocolate, and Prince will be shut down by Posey.

I don't see where we are that much better that it merits an "easily" tag.

Carter played very well in that NJ series. It was Walker taking out Jefferson that made the difference.

I think we will win this thing but if it goes less then 6 I will be surprised.

Wade scares me. He hasn't played that well so far during this playoff series. Neither has Shaq. If they get going we will be in for a dog fight.

I disagree. It`s not Wade or Shaq, they can get theirs, it`s the supporting cast we can`t let get off.

GP, Posey, Walker, etc...........

I remember playing Walker back when he was coinfident. If he is starting to feel it and starts to believe in himself we should be afraid of him. If he doesn't play well the first two games then we should watch him for the rest of the series.

I just feel easily is the wrong word. Wade has gotten his points in the last two series but he hasn't played his best basketball. Not even close.

First off we won by shutting em down especially in the 2nd half.Agreed Dlev we need to shut down the clowns the ring leaders will get theirs.

Still with the lack of ft consistency and bad games by players too many times we look out of sorts from usual.This should be a stepping stone back to good play going into this series.

Whew!!!!

I just could be getting too old for this. The kids took care of business when it counted and did it the old fashioned way - 23 points in the second half for the entire Cavs team, barely more than LBJ alone had in the first. Hats off to Lindsey for changing the game toward the end of the first half.

I lost some respect for LBJ at the end - it was crap when the Pistons walked off the floor after losing to the Bulls, and it was crap for him to make a quick exit this time around. Shake hands like a man and get over this drama queen stuff.

23 second half points for the Cavs. James was 1-9 ( really 0-9 if the call against Sheed was called correctly - non continuation )

Pistons had to win this. Held them to 61 points? Clev did tighten a bit in the 4th and there was sort of a choke job by LBJ but it was mainly the good old Piston D.

Just a good old fashion heavy handed Eastern Conf elimination game there.

Huge props out to Prince, Hunter, Sheed and Ben. Really stepped it up.

First Star goes to Tay the ironman. This series was a MAJOR step up. It came when many were suspecting a bit of regression. Prince is beginning to look like quite a bargain even at the rate of his new contract ($8 Mil per).

Second Star goes to Lindsey the roadrunner. He obviously provided a spark with his D and 3 baskets. But as importanly he raised the pace of both our O and D beyond the Cavs capacity to match. His effect was lasting. Once out of the game we were still executing crisply.

Third Star goes to the "pressure of a GAME 7". A combination of our D, and the pressure of the moment was clearly overwhelming to the Cavs supporting cast. It only snowball as the game progressed. Their inadaquacy coupled with our hot start was likely responsible for James taking on so much of the first half scoring load, and burning himself out for the finish.

Each series and opponent is a whole new set of challenges so guys, don't be so quick to believe problems against the Cavs will materialize into diddly against the Heat.

This series was too tough. Many lessons for the team to learn. Tay has become a monster. Next year, we run the offense through Tay down at the wing. Hunter gave us that spark off of the bench. Joe has to bring in speed off of the bench for next year. With speed off of the bench, we handle Cleveland easily. We need someone who can consistently change the pace of the game on that second team.

Chauncey will you please take the three when the ball comes back to you, stop taking it without passing and stop trying to make spectacular fast breaks with long passes and we will be alright.

Bball, agree on the Tay. We can run the offense through him more and more. Disagree somewhat on Dice. When Dice is in, we need to use his offense--agree. Against Cleveland, he should have been used from the top and allowed to take his open jumper.

But, we lose a LOT of defense with Dyss against Le Bron. He is not fast enough to close the lane. We should have asked Ben to use his fouls and close the lane earlier on Le Bron's drives. He did make those two blocks in game 6 in the fourth, but Rip make the foul underneath.

Anyway, new series. Dice will give the Heat a fit down low in the offense. Flip needs to do some serious coaching. Not impressed with him this series.

Tayshaun will not ever be a focal point to an offense, simply because he can't pass out of double teams (not to mention his forever-broken jumpshot).

He was only a monster in this series because on either isolations or screen/roll switches, he was being guarded by 1) LeBron James, a notably horrible defender, or 2) a small guard like Eric Snow, Flip Murray, Damon Jones, or occasionally Hughes, none of whom can do a thing about his hook shot.

Things will be different against James Posey. In fact, I expect Tayshaun to be a complete non-factor on the block against Miami except when he's being guarded by Wade or Derek Anderson.

I don't want to be accused of being a "hater" or of being overly pessimistic, but remember Jerome James's success last year against the 6-6 and under Sacramento Kings. Some situations are ideal for success; that does not mean that success will be universal.

only 4 (or 3?) second half to's
out rebounded them 48-36 (including 13-9 on offensive boards)
(obviously) Cleveland 30 fg % for the game
18-32 from the line: if we make just 70 % of those 32 ft's that's another 4 or 5 points (especially in the first half), which could have made the runaway even easier

brilliant game for tay...i do agree with whoever said that his passing out of the double was weak, and i don't think it's cause he only had ben to pass to -- i actually think it's cause the team does too much standing around when someone posts up. i'm all for the post-ups and glad to see them so good at identifying the mismatches down low...but clearing out one side for a post up doesn't mean you've got to stand still there can be all kinds of movement down the weakside of the lane and along the arc. that wasn't, for the most part, happening and that's why, i think, tay's passing out of the post appeared weak.

dyess 8 boards and 3/4 in 16 mins
lindsey obviously

and ben may only have had 9 boards, but that's also because everyone else was very conspicuously MORE active on the boards than usual (witness chauncey's 8 def. boards)

this is more than good enough for me to round on this series.
miami is obviously better than cleveland overall, but i'm not convinced that they are more dangerous (especially, psychologically) than the cavs. the pistons could even sweep this series, but i'm not counting on that. no victory, whether in four games or in seven, will be EASY against the heat. but there's no good reason we shouldn't win the necessary four (hard-fought) games....


and, i just can't resist this (apologies in advance): i hope everyone around here and everywhere else who was whining and writing the team off after the game 5 loss learns how to believe in your team no matter what (even while airing legitimate criticisms)...

can't ever lose that faith...it's just wrong wrong wrong (unless of course you are a casual fan, in which case, what the hell are you doing here?)

k -- spleen vented, venom discharged: happy eastern conference finals everyone!!

Tayshaun will not ever be a focal point to an offense, simply because he can't pass out of double teams (not to mention his forever-broken jumpshot).

He was only a monster in this series because on either isolations or screen/roll switches, he was being guarded by 1) LeBron James, a notably horrible defender, or 2) a small guard like Eric Snow, Flip Murray, Damon Jones, or occasionally Hughes, none of whom can do a thing about his hook shot.

Things will be different against James Posey. In fact, I expect Tayshaun to be a complete non-factor on the block against Miami except when he's being guarded by Wade or Derek Anderson.

I don't want to be accused of being a "hater" or of being overly pessimistic, but remember Jerome James's success last year against the 6-6 and under Sacramento Kings. Some situations are ideal for success; that does not mean that success will be universal.

Since when did Posey become a defensive stopper? His defense is adequate, however I dont see him locking down Dyess, Tay or any other Piston player for that matter.

I agree, Tay does need to pass better out of double teams. The reason he ws used exclusively on the block in game 7 was because of the mismatches that favored the Pistons.

Against the Heat Tay probably will not be used as he was in the Cav`s series but I don`t see Posey having his way with Tay, on defense or offense.

We don't have time to celebrate this victory. The good is that the Pistons don't have to get on a plane and fly anywhere until Friday. Now they have three things to do tomorrow...look sat the Bulls/Heat tapes to see how the bulls were able to win two games from them and then at the Nets/Heat series to see how the Nets were able to steal a road victory from them and finally spend some time at the FT line practicing..

FT shooting was 6-16 in the first half :doh: and a better 12-16 in the second half.

The Pistons got 13 points off the bench with Lindsey coming up with the huge spark in the 3rd qtr after laying an egg in the first half.

They will need more from these two plus key contributions from Mo, Delf, Delk and Davis it they hope to prevail vs the Heat. :nod:

This series will not be cakewalk as some of us presumed three weeks ago. It's another one that might go seven unless we can rediscover our offense and button down the D as we did in the second halft today and put these guys out in 5 or 6. We definitly cannot blow big leads like we did today and you know the Heat, like the Mavs and Suns are never out of a game witnessed by all of the comeback victories this year.

Since when did Posey become a defensive stopper? His defense is adequate, however I dont see him locking down Dyess, Tay or any other Piston player for that matter. :confused: Posey is one of the best defensive swingmen in the NBA, and has done an exceptional job against Prince throughout his career. Of course he'd be killed by Dice, but that's to be expected for a small forward. But Posey locks up Prince in the post almost all the time.

At the other end, Posey is pretty much exclusively a spot-up jumpshooter, so that's different.

:confused: Posey is one of the best defensive swingmen in the NBA, and has done an exceptional job against Prince throughout his career. Of course he'd be killed by Dice, but that's to be expected for a small forward. But Posey locks up Prince in the post almost all the time.

At the other end, Posey is pretty much exclusively a spot-up jumpshooter, so that's different.

Didn`t know those two faced each other in heated battles before, with Posey getting the better of Tay. Who did Posey play for when these battles took place?

Bball, agree on the Tay. We can run the offense through him more and more. Disagree somewhat on Dice. When Dice is in, we need to use his offense--agree. Against Cleveland, he should have been used from the top and allowed to take his open jumper.

tay is the man. he stepped up and carried us. he will continue to cause more matchup problems the rest of the way in the playoffs.

yeah. i agree we should have went to mcdyess. remember all those scoring droughts we went through in games 3, 4, 5. mcdyess should have been in and going to him a lot. mcdyess didn't get enough minutes this series. nobody on cleveland can defend him. for what we lose on defense we gain so much more on offense. our problem this series wasn't defense it was offense.


But, we lose a LOT of defense with Dyss against Le Bron. He is not fast enough to close the lane. We should have asked Ben to use his fouls and close the lane earlier on Le Bron's drives. He did make those two blocks in game 6 in the fourth, but Rip make the foul underneath.


we dont' lose a lot of defense. you just have to change the way you defend lebron when mcdyess is in. don't switch the pick and roll or give mcdyess more help when he switches onto lebron. i'm sorry but ben didn't do that good of a job on lebron either. i will say that has something to do with the refs but i think lebron got quite a few layups while ben was standing on the floor. also lebron dunked on ben really hard. did you see what happened when verajao tried to dunk on mcdyess??? he got a good hard foul.


Anyway, new series. Dice will give the Heat a fit down low in the offense. Flip needs to do some serious coaching. Not impressed with him this series.

i don't think mcdyess will get the minutes. ben will be in and getting dogged by shaq. flip has to keep ben happy cause he isn't under contract after this year. i truly don't think ben would be happy with mcdyess pulling shaq out of the paint and grabbing boards like a madman and defending shaq and zo just as well as ben can.

Bball, good point on Dice. Maybe they could have changed the defense. But I do think you underestimate Ben's range in covering drivers like Wade, Le Bron, etc. I think he held back a bit not wanting the fouls but against Cleveland, he should have used his fouls and mobility earlier in games. I wonder about Flip's scheme on Le Bron during this series. The problem we had with Campbell last year was, yes, he was good for Shaq, but he was awful on Wade's drives.

Ahb, Tay made some nice passes out of the double team. Wasn't it his pass to Lindsay across court in the 3rd for that three? This year, he is constantly surveying the double team and the floor. Tay is a match-up problem in almost any series. Last year, the ball would go to him and he would get stuck on the baseline. Not this year, not so far. And his shot has been just fine--look at the stats. No one can afford to not pay him attention any more. Without Tay these last two games, not sure we would be celebrating. He showed more grit than almost anyone. A player who is finally growing up.

flip didn't do a great coaching job this series--the verdict is still out on him. Next series, hopefully he improves. I don't know if he has enough credibility with such a vet group.

Anyone think Tay's issues passing out of doubleteams may be due to the fact that he hasn't really been used as a #1 option before. I'd guess he should work on it in the offseason and during the playoffs. I'm certain he'll improve here though.

Everyone has been making a deal about Ben lately...I don't know if he stays or leaves, or if he's unhappy about his role in the O...but I trust Joe D to handle the situation and if he wants to leave, I trust him to find someone else.

Heaven help us, do some of y'all really know what to look for in a game??? Dyess was huge. No rebounds - no rings. When a player can come off the bench in a game 7 and give you 8 boards that's not something that should be dismissed. We were losing this series on the boards-period. I was so proud that all of our players manned up and hit the boards hard, guards included.

Sheed was just off, I mean it was mainly due to shot selection and poor execution.

Whoever was complaining about Tay...are you crazy?? Do you even realize the type of work that kid just put in... 48mpg for the last 3 games??? Quiet as it's kept Tayshaun Prince is an iron man of a player, dude has yet to miss a game in his piston career, he's suited for every game since he's been here. even though he's skinny and he's always laying on the ground looking like he's not gonna get up, he does and keeps on going......KUDOS Tay. And.....Tay passes very well out of the double team for a player that never gets the ball enough offensively. Answer me this, who on our team passes out of the double team very well....hmm....Sheed?? Fadeaway Dyess?? Never pass out of the post Chauncey?? Ben?? Rip?? Who. Bottom line is this we have a poor post offense team. We have capable players, but it's not executed enough to get good at it. It took half the damn season for Flip to put Tay back on the box, like the previous 2 and 1/8 seasons (Cola's playoffs and LB's tenure).

Anybody happen to catch Ben's post game comments.......

(unless of course you are a casual fan, in which case, what the hell are you doing here?)



posting the news. making avatars. cracking lame one liners to bring down the basketball iq of the forum :ranger:

I didn't get to see a game in this series so I'd like to know what cleveland did to funk up our offense. OTOH, I'm glad we got that wake up call now than behind 3-2 on miami. Keep it rolling guys!

Whoever was complaining about Tay...are you crazy?? Do you even realize the type of work that kid just put in... 48mpg for the last 3 games??? Quiet as it's kept Tayshaun Prince is an iron man of a player, dude has yet to miss a game in his piston career, he's suited for every game since he's been here. even though he's skinny and he's always laying on the ground looking like he's not gonna get up, he does and keeps on going......KUDOS Tay. And.....Tay passes very well out of the double team for a player that never gets the ball enough offensively. Answer me this, who on our team passes out of the double team very well....hmm....Sheed?? Fadeaway Dyess?? Never pass out of the post Chauncey?? Ben?? Rip?? Who. Bottom line is this we have a poor post offense team. We have capable players, but it's not executed enough to get good at it. It took half the damn season for Flip to put Tay back on the box, like the previous 2 and 1/8 seasons (Cola's playoffs and LB's tenure).


Right on KGREG.. Tay was the MVP/Iron man and the only true player who stepped it up in at least six of the seven games. He was the only one who knew how to take it to the post/rim when the outside shot was not falling. He got at least 3 putbacks todaywhen our other bigs were out of position or didn't have the drive to followup. No fadeaways ala sheed & Dice and definitely no missed bunnies ala both Wallaces.

He didn't get the all star recognition, but I hope when they present the championship trophy, he gets the finals MVP and finally gets the recognition over these NBA branded stars>La Bron, Wade, Nash etc,

Heaven help us, do some of y'all really know what to look for in a game??? Dyess was huge. No rebounds - no rings. When a player can come off the bench in a game 7 and give you 8 boards that's not something that should be dismissed. We were losing this series on the boards-period. I was so proud that all of our players manned up and hit the boards hard, guards included.

Sheed was just off, I mean it was mainly due to shot selection and poor execution.

Whoever was complaining about Tay...are you crazy?? Do you even realize the type of work that kid just put in... 48mpg for the last 3 games??? Quiet as it's kept Tayshaun Prince is an iron man of a player, dude has yet to miss a game in his piston career, he's suited for every game since he's been here. even though he's skinny and he's always laying on the ground looking like he's not gonna get up, he does and keeps on going......KUDOS Tay. And.....Tay passes very well out of the double team for a player that never gets the ball enough offensively. Answer me this, who on our team passes out of the double team very well....hmm....Sheed?? Fadeaway Dyess?? Never pass out of the post Chauncey?? Ben?? Rip?? Who. Bottom line is this we have a poor post offense team. We have capable players, but it's not executed enough to get good at it. It took half the damn season for Flip to put Tay back on the box, like the previous 2 and 1/8 seasons (Cola's playoffs and LB's tenure).

Anybody happen to catch Ben's post game comments.......

Well said Kgreg...
What's encouraging to me is that Tay is starting to show signs of hitting his perimiter shots again... it's a long time coming... we know the kid is a capable shooter... this should help open up the lanes.... The Heat have another weapon to worry about now.
Tay really wasn't doubled very much this series... it was only a passive show... but as you said he had his head up looking for someone to overcomit.
We tend to dwell on our players warts... when we know most teams have bigger issues.

Merc I can't bite my tongue......I hate FLIP!!!!! Dude is in such unchartered water it ain't even funny. Listening to Ben after the game I understand his beef. Ben says if we hang our hats on defense and rebounding everything else will take care of itself. If we do a better job of getting everyone involved, sharing the ball, and making the extra pass, nobody can touch us.

I don't like the game plan that says ride the hot hand, it makes us to easy to scout and defend. It turns us into a team that rely's too much on one individual to make a play, which has always been something that hurts us. It alienates teammates which allows people to find theselves uninvolved in the gameplan and eventually in the game as a whole. I like the game plan of inside/out and move the ball weakside with Rip running his defender into an early grave.....by the time the 4th qtr comes the opposing team doesn't know what to do and we get teams into the penalty early, and it keeps all 5 players focused because they've been getting touches at some point in the offense. No player should go 4 straight possessions where they never touch THE DAMN BALL!!!!

Sheed used to be good for 4-6 pts from the offensive glass, now he's on the arc too much to board leaving Ben all alone. I like the fact that we can shoot the trey with more ease and confidence, but I don't like the fact that it's a primary play in our scheme now. If Rip is open for a weakside trey that means he's been standing there for the duration of the shot clock instead of running his man off screens. I love this team and my heart bleeds Piston Blue, but we're resembling the the T'Wolves (this I know because I used to watch them almost as much as the Pistons, KG is my favorite non piston player, so they're my favorite west conf team) I just really miss the Detroit-Goin to Work-Blue Collar-Lunch Pail team that made Ben Wallace an AllStar, and coined the phrase 'play the right way'.

I don't know how Tay avoided knee injury today. That replay looked pretty gruesome. That would have really been a critical blow to our chances. Luckily, he is made of rubber.

Hey guys, I just scanned the thread quick, but I didn't see that anyone posted this, so if they did, don't jump on me!

61 points is an all-time new playoff low by the Cavs. The previous low (64) was co-held by the Pistons (L vs. Celts in Stackhouse era) and New Jersey Nets (2004 Playoff W for Pistons). This is all in the shot clock era btw (1955 forward?)

That is truly great. Not only did we set a record, but this team got itself off of the (infamous) top spot by doing so.

I got to kinda watch most of the game. It's taped so I will be going over it again tomorrow. Meanwhile, here are my thoughts.

Lindsey Hunter came up huge in an elimination game. What more can you say?

Tay was great. He's been pretty solid all series. You have to remember that he is the YOUNGEST member of the starting 5. He's becoming less of an X-Factor and more of A FACTOR (game in, game out).

Ben was money tonight. In a drag it out, punch in the mouth, street fight, how can you NOT want this guy on your team? He does all the little things that contribute to a win. The immeasurables.

Flip finally outcoached Mike Brown. Just in time.

The start was amazing. The fans were so loud on the radio, I was jacked up just listening to Blaha doing the pre-game.

Notes:

Lindsey was yelling at Rip on the sidelines after he allowed a blow-by without helping. Maybe he does have a future as a "Little General".

I thought LeBron was getting a little too cocky in the first half, posturing and scowling after making hoops. It's a wonderful thing that Five are mightier than One. This kid needs to grab a comic book and a smile during his summer vacation. I dislike his off arm drives, blatant travels and the media circus that follows him everywhere.

Gooden was exposed. He's not a very good defender. The Pistons kept him in foul trouble and out of the game for the most part.

David Stern was interesting during an in-game interview. He refused to endorse LeBron as the league saviour, saying that THE KING would shoulder the load with the "other stars" in the league. I like these old guys when they get crotchety while being interviewed by some sideline bimbo.

Flip finally outcoached Mike Brown. Just in time.


Agree with everything but this.

Please convince/educate me (seriously, I want to know what he did well because I am very concerned about the Miami series based on my perceptions of Flip during this series).

Please convince/educate me (seriously, I want to know what he did well because I am very concerned about the Miami series based on my perceptions of Flip during this series). Second half adjustments. I know there is a contingent that will never give Flip any credit, and that all good defense is driven by the players, but I thought that the defense was tremendous on LittleBronJames in the second half. Flip let Lindsey rackup 4 fouls in 13 minutes, but seriously disrupt THE KING's offense. He trusted Hunter to come in and he performed as a catalyst.

LBJ said in the post game interview that he saw every possible defense he will ever see in his career during this game. Half court traps, over the screen, under the screen, Flip just kept bodies running at and double teaming him.

Yeah, the double teaming burned us in previous games, but it can be effective when called at the right time.

So if Flip coached several games poorly, I will call this 18 point win, with stifling defense and a new playoff opponent scoring total record set a success.

The second part of my statement is that there were absolutely NO adjustments by Mike Brown in the second half. Was he suddenly brain dead or were Flip's adjustments too extreme for him to compensate for on the fly? I'd say it was the latter.

61 points is an all-time new playoff low by the Cavs. The previous low (64) was co-held by the Pistons (L vs. Celts in Stackhouse era) and New Jersey Nets (2004 Playoff W for Pistons). This is all in the shot clock era btw (1955 forward?)
Sure about that? As far as I know, the previous low was 69 points of the Nets against the Pistons in 2004- they mentioned that during the game and showed it on the screen...
Ben's complaining about O just sucks- he got the ball early in the game and produced one turnover, one miss and one pass. His behaviour is just childish- like a young kid who wants it too much and just sucks. Also, did you see what happened when they got him on Lebron after the pick and roll? Lebron just went straight past him for a dunk. Ben was at best when he defended their bigs and grabbed it- his rebounding skills are still good.
But when I see someone like Snow walking through our defense than I notice that there#s something wrong- a season ago, his shot would have been swatted into the stands and know he gets a foul call or even makes the shot. Or, if a small guy misses, scrubs like Varejo got the rebound (remember- I'm talking about the first half).
Sheed should jack up 3's only when not covered well- it was ok in the regular season, but in the playoffs he should concentrate on taking good shots. I mean, his shot selection was more than just poorly. What's up with Dyess' fadeaway? He even makes a fadeaway when uncovered is he afraid or something? Last night he showed everyone how high he can jump when he crashed the boards so why don't we use him more in the O? Is it a mental thing or what?
I loved that pass at Lindsey by Tayshaun- didn't look good at first because Lindsey was quite far away but he got it. As for Ben... just stop it... concentrate on D, that's your home...

Good adjusments by Flip especially:

Defensive adjusments at the half to get the Pistons to stop James. Lebron only had 6 points after the break on 1-9 shooting. Even better thought the Pistons kept the entire Casv team to 19% shooting and a NBA Playoff record tying 23 points in the second half.
Getting Lindsey in the game. the game was still close about halfway through the 3rd quarter, but Lindsey helped spark the Pistons to the win.
Flip and the players kept getting the ball to Tayshaun to help get them the win. If Wade gaurds Tay or even if Posey does we should go to him a lot.

2005 Game 7:

Dice sitting out with 4 fouls in the Finals?
Tay guarding Duncan?
Spurs walloping the Pistons in the first 2 games of the series and everyone thinking the series was over.


Stackhouse taking a boneheaded jump shot instead of driving on the last play. The Mavs would have blanked the Spurs 4-0. Now they are tied 3-3.

Even with a great coach (LB) and an up and coming one (AJ) s*&t happens. I am not remotely equating Flip with LB. I just think its too early to bury him as a dope. On top of Flips lack of adjustements, the players really did a poor job of executing in this series. The FT % was atrocious, that is indicative of the Pistons feeling the heat. Everyone shot like they were blind. If the Pistons atleast get to the Finals I think Flip would have earned his spot.

Hers is a Chauncey quote from MLive:

"Anytime you get to a Game 7, it's just will," said Pistons point guard Chauncey Billups, who had 12 points and eight rebounds. "You're not going to trick them with anything that you do and they're not going to trick us with any plays. We know them inside out. I know what those dudes had for breakfast. You're not going to trick them, so it's going to come down to will."

Merc I can't bite my tongue......I hate FLIP!!!!! Dude is in such unchartered water it ain't even funny. Listening to Ben after the game I understand his beef. Ben says if we hang our hats on defense and rebounding everything else will take care of itself. If we do a better job of getting everyone involved, sharing the ball, and making the extra pass, nobody can touch us.


ben needs to do a better job of hitting the boards. too many times i saw ben being blocked out. his man leaves to double or help ben should be diving to the hole. ben needs to stop worrying about offense and get his defense and rebounding together. he gets no pass from me because he's the dpoy. i tell you what if ben wasn't an unrestricted free agent i think flip would have went to mcdyess a long time ago. mcdyess had almost as many rebounds in half the time on the court.


I don't like the game plan that says ride the hot hand, it makes us to easy to scout and defend. It turns us into a team that rely's too much on one individual to make a play, which has always been something that hurts us. It alienates teammates which allows people to find theselves uninvolved in the gameplan and eventually in the game as a whole. I like the game plan of inside/out and move the ball weakside with Rip running his defender into an early grave.....by the time the 4th qtr comes the opposing team doesn't know what to do and we get teams into the penalty early, and it keeps all 5 players focused because they've been getting touches at some point in the offense. No player should go 4 straight possessions where they never touch THE DAMN BALL!!!!


you can't scout us if we have 5 guys that could potentially be the hot hand. riding tay in game 7 was the best move flip did offensively. i do agree rip needs to run off his screens more. i just dont' agree with ben getting more touches. he doesn't create offense it's just a wasted pass. i think ben should get the ball in position to dunk and that's it.

Bball, good point on Dice. Maybe they could have changed the defense. But I do think you underestimate Ben's range in covering drivers like Wade, Le Bron, etc. I think he held back a bit not wanting the fouls but against Cleveland, he should have used his fouls and mobility earlier in games. I wonder about Flip's scheme on Le Bron during this series. The problem we had with Campbell last year was, yes, he was good for Shaq, but he was awful on Wade's drives.


yes. i know ben covers lebron better than mcdyess. it's just nobody has to cover ben on the other end. don't underestimate the impact bens' man playing zone and double teaming has on our offense. yeah i think ben should have been more aggressive against lebron and used his fouls some hard ones too. i mean what is he saving them for?? i just think mcdyess should be in there when we are struggling with offense and we don't have a great low post player to defend. ben should be in there against duncan or o'neal. mcdyess makes the other team play both ends of the court and ben doesn't. they both have thier uses for this team. i just don't think ben wants to accept a role on the team he wants to be a star.

last year lb misused elden. he should have started elden against shaq because miami likes to go to shaq early in the game because shaq is pooped after half time. wade's time is in the second half and ben could have got the majority of those minutes. ben can check a tired shaq.

Agree with everything but this.

Please convince/educate me (seriously, I want to know what he did well because I am very concerned about the Miami series based on my perceptions of Flip during this series).
Charley Rosen has a good explanation of Flip's adjustments in the 2nd half of Game 7. He makes it sound like the Pistons were holding some things back all series, and only pulled out the final defense on LeBron at the last minute as if Coach Brown (and more likely LeBron) could have countered anything if they had time to plan. Maybe the Pistons were hoping they could dispatch the Cavs easily and still hold back some tricks for next year's playoffs? Regardless, I think we most all underestimated the Cavs - they won 50 games after all (how many did the Pistons win in 2004 when the East was weaker?) and have an uber-player.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5627958

I think I heard Flip say this during the postgame: "We all know that defense wins championships." Yep, Flip is learning what Ben has always known. This team hangs its hat on defense. Flip, perhaps, has always known it, superficially, but never got a real taste of it until yesterday. Wow, 61 points.

Still, it seems there have been more isolation plays and less ball movement on offense. I loved the ball movement during the regular season and hope they can return to it. Sheed was ALWAYS shooting wide-open 3's during the season but not at all in this series.

Glad this series is over. Enjoy the Game 7s tonight, fellas. Something tells me the Spurs find a way to win. Just a hunch. :nod:

okay time for my postgame report. first, i can't believe people are still dogging ben like he sucked this series. except for the missed free throws he brought it. people are saying lebron got by him easily and dunked on him? good lord...ben helped us win game 6 by limiting lebron's and-1s. lebron would drive, ben would either foul him hard and prevent the easy basket, or he'd block the shot. doesn't anyone remember lebron going full speed for the dunk and ben blocking it, and lebron nearly twisting his ankle as he fell to the ground?

tayshaun was the player of the game. he got us 7 quick points early, and iced the game down the stretch. i think brown decided lebron was tired and didn't have him defend prince as much in the post so he'd have his energy on offense. well, prince abused whoever was guarding him, even lebron the one time he tried to. it's amazing how TP backed him down and he gives up so much weight.

varejao is still a joke, flinging his head back like he's constantly getting fouled, and setting massive illegal screens every play. i don't mind relaxed rules on screens, but what this guy does shouldn't even remotely be allowed.

perhaps i'm going to have to yell 'noooooooo lindsey' his first shot of every game. last time i did it he went off with all those 3-pointers, and again last night he made the basket and pimped out the rest of the game. he should have drawn a charge on lebron, and it was so incredibly obvious, but somehow he got called with the blocking foul.

as an fyi, that was the 6th game 7 for lindsey and dale davis. that experience surely helped lindsey tonight. also, the crowd was really into it early, then slacked off just like the pistons, and finally brought it again in the 2nd half when it was needed. it's hard to keep your energy the entire game and it must be even harder for the players. but either way i was proud of the loudness - and trust me it was bananas, despite what terry foster would have you believe. granted there are more 'wine and cheese' folks who go there to be seen, but it's not as many as he says. either that or since i moved to the upper bowl for the playoffs i see the majority who are the rabid fans. there was a 'wine and cheese' guy in front of us who brought earplugs (wtf?) so my buddy and i made it a point to clap our thundersticks right behind his ears :D i also sustained injuries in the form of 2 broken thundersticks from pounding so hard, and had to finish the game with 1. to make up for it i resorted to the low-pitched 'hooooooooo' that you hear every defensive possession at MSU games.

oh yeah and you guys should be amazed at the defensive lockdown in the 2nd half. it was similar to watch the pistons go on a 30-4 run against indiana last year (of which the 4 points came on free throws that shouldn't have even been fouls). you definitely 'witnessed' history in the making, and it just proves what detroit can do when it's focused and on top of its game.

still, this series should have never been this close. if i can think of anything else i'll post it later.

Damn, some of y'all cats is felonious. Ben does not want more SHOTS on offense, there is a huge difference in wanting more TOUCHES, and SHOTS. Our offense is at it's best when the ball goes inside/out, moves strongside to weakside and we make the extra pass....... all Ben wants is for our offense to run "the right way". When we run it the right way Ben gets touches-period, that doesn't mean shots, it just means touches, it may just be on a Ball reversal to Rip on the weakside, but he touches the ball. It's damn near impossible for a player to get into the flow of the game with a great focus if he's totally detached from it on the floor in certain aspects. This also makes you have to account for Ben on offense because the threat of the lob is always there, and the fact that there are gaps in a defense when you ake them move, gaps where Ben can make passes or have a driving lane open up from time to time.

Sure about that? As far as I know, the previous low was 69 points of the Nets against the Pistons in 2004- they mentioned that during the game and showed it on the screen...
Well Ralphie, looks like both of us screwed up (the networks and I).

2004-05-03 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/games/boxscore.cgi?date=2004-05-03&tm1=DET&tm2=NJN) DET (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/2004.html) NJN (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NJN/2004.html) W 78-56 DET leads 1-0

56 seems to be the all-time low.

Tay has stepped up in this series. Flip has to trust the bench and give Tay a little rest. Lindsey was awesome. If the guys shot even decently from the FT line, this would have been a blowout.Bruddah skywalker, have we gotten so spoiled that an 18pt win is not considerd a blowout? Please dont turn into a Celtic/:laugh: Knick type fan!

Bruddah skywalker, have we gotten so spoiled that an 18pt win is not considerd a blowout? Please dont turn into a Celtic/:laugh: Knick type fan!

You got me HQ. Let me re-word. This would have been a blow out from the get go if the boys were hittin their FT's.

Damn, some of y'all cats is felonious. Ben does not want more SHOTS on offense, there is a huge difference in wanting more TOUCHES, and SHOTS. Our offense is at it's best when the ball goes inside/out, moves strongside to weakside and we make the extra pass....... all Ben wants is for our offense to run "the right way". When we run it the right way Ben gets touches-period, that doesn't mean shots, it just means touches, it may just be on a Ball reversal to Rip on the weakside, but he touches the ball. It's damn near impossible for a player to get into the flow of the game with a great focus if he's totally detached from it on the floor in certain aspects. This also makes you have to account for Ben on offense because the threat of the lob is always there, and the fact that there are gaps in a defense when you ake them move, gaps where Ben can make passes or have a driving lane open up from time to time.

Exactly right I think.

Well Ralphie, looks like both of us screwed up (the networks and I).

2004-05-03 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/games/boxscore.cgi?date=2004-05-03&tm1=DET&tm2=NJN) DET (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/2004.html) NJN (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NJN/2004.html) W 78-56 DET leads 1-0

56 seems to be the all-time low.

i believe they were talking about all-time game 7 lows.

The game's been covered in detail, but my $0.02: Lindsey was the game changer with his uptempo burst in the third, after Chauncey spent much of the game sleepwalking up the court. Given all the times he's encouraged Delfino to stay ready, I hope yesterday's lesson wasn't lost on Carlos.

micro said it earlier, but it's worth repeating: If Flip was as lax a defensive coach as many people here think, the Pistons wouldn't have been able to apply all the defensive tricks LeBron faced yesterday. Keep an open mind, people.

LAST WORD: A playoff cliche is "adjustments," which too often is just fan shorthand for "give us some new thingy so we can see more baskets or stops." But to be fair to guys like Mike Brown, adjustments have to be executed, not just identified. That's where experience counts. Sometimes it's smarter to keep things simple so young players can play, instead of confusing them with a jumble of stuff they're not ready to handle.

The game's been covered in detail, but my $0.02: Lindsey was the game changer with his uptempo burst in the third, after Chauncey spent much of the game sleepwalking up the court. Given all the times he's encouraged Delfino to stay ready, I hope yesterday's lesson wasn't lost on Carlos.

micro said it earlier, but it's worth repeating: If Flip was as lax a defensive coach as many people here think, the Pistons wouldn't have been able to apply all the defensive tricks LeBron faced yesterday. Keep an open mind, people.

LAST WORD: A playoff cliche is "adjustments," which too often is just fan shorthand for "give us some new thingy so we can see more baskets or stops." But to be fair to guys like Mike Brown, adjustments have to be executed, not just identified. That's where experience counts. Sometimes it's smarter to keep things simple so young players can play, instead of confusing them with a jumble of stuff they're not ready to handle.
LanierFan your $0.02 are worth a $Million

WE WON!!!

But I´ve never felt so sick physically watching a game before. Just when I thought we were the team of old in the first few minutes... BA-BOWWW...

I actually got to watch this game in a sports bar in Prague, which is whz i wasnt in the chatroom.

Lindsey won this game for us. He completely energised the team in that short span. He was one of the few that looked like he had something to prove. And how old is he??

Tay also gets MASSIVE props for his work. Ironman plus! What was it, his first rest since game 4 came in the last minute? And he was tireless in the post. He even tried to get away from the post a couple of times but chauncey "mr.no ideas on offense" kept force feeding it to him.
Flip, please try and find someone to rotate Tay out for a few minutes! PLEASE! I beg you, its not right.

The rest of the team was so so, and has already been said. EXCEPT...

I must defend Dice. He got no minutes in the first half and when he got minutes in the second half we were in that "lets run 20 straight iso plays for tay". he never saw the ball. he boarded like a man too. he got hammered on some of those defensive boards and got no calls. he is boarding better than ben right now.

chauncey where are you? that was pathetic. he had no idea out there. shooting 3¨s from 4 feet out, stupid turnovers, predictable offense. change out of your damon jones suit NOW!!
He didnt know what to do on offense, so he just gave tay the ball every time. and he overdribbled something shocking. arroyo dribbled less than this. no seriously. pretender MVP, please show up for the miami series or stay in bed. honestly.

flip, man you have some serious work to do. outcoached by a rookie...

granted, nice adjustment defensively in game 7, but isnt your forte OFFENSE???? Where, I havent seen any. Why did I only see about 2 screen plays run for rip?? thats our bread and butter. i want some more of that. if our offense stalls thats the easiest wide open shot we can get by our best shooter. use it dammit!!
oh yeah, and im pretty sure those guys on the bench want to and can play, so use them. flip is worse than LB when it comes to riding the starters. and when the starters struggle his adjustment is to PLAY THEM MORE MINUTES. makes sense dont it?
Im really starting to get on the anti-flip bandwagon and i wont be playing my trumpet very loudly cos its just too upsetting watching his rotations, adjustments, plays, head-scratching, etc...

well enough of that rant, but a great win as bad as it was. i guess im just too passionate and upset that we had to go to 7 with these clowns. but it was good to see some great D again. ben always does the little things.

Hopefully now we are past the brons we can loosen up and get back to playing proper bball.

See you in the chatroom!!

i believe they were talking about all-time game 7 lows.
Ah. Well, then Detroit still has taken part of the most low scoring games in NBA playoff history, usually coming out on the winning end. Still very impressive.