He lacks passion on the offensive side and he lacks passion on the defensive side. To beat the better coaches in this league you need to do something better than they do-it's called scheming. What a bunch of vanilla crap he allows out there.( Jauron and his nonblitzing)

I agree. Mooch is a salesman, not a great coach. He hasn't proven to be

* innovative
* a motivator
* a sideline decision maker
* a guru of "anything"

This guy is so overhyped, it's not funny.

If we lose next week and the effort is not there, this dude should be the first to go. No way any good coach can't use that embarassing loss and 2 weeks off to fire up their team. I know Cowher or Belichik would have them out for blood.

I'm beginning to agree with you guys. Detroit fans seem to love feel-good stories surrounding coaches: Fomer World Series champ (Tram) returns to coach the Tigers; Upper Peninsula lad who starred as a QB at Northern Michigan returns to coach the Lions, etc. At the end of the day, you still gotta be able to coach. When it comes down to it, most if not all the greatest coaches this city has brought in didn't have area ties: Larry Brown, Sparky Anderson, Chuck Daly, Scotty Bowman. In other words, get people who can coach. Screw the feel-good crap.

So I guess you're saying no to bringing in Gary Moeller? :laugh:

I actually liked him at UM. The guy had some 'nads when it came to play-calling, unlike the current stiff.

Mooch is all filler no meat. The guy talks a good talk and is a nice guy, but when it comes down to it, he's a pansy. The Lions have been rediculously ill prepared in all of their games since Mooch took over. Not to mention being outcoached in game.

Jauron is a useless lump of lard, his defensive "game plans" are completely ineffective. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BLITZ!! And here's a thought: HAVE YOUR DB'S ACTUALLY PLAY MAN TO MAN!! They give more freakin cushion than LazyBoy. And if it isn't too much to ask TRY AND MAKE A FEW TACKLES!!

Ted Tollner is like 1000 years old and so is the offence he's trying to run. NO MORE 3 YARD PASSES ON 3rd and 7! NO MORE DIVE PLAYS UP THE MIDDLE ON 3rd AND LONG!!

Anyway, I think you can see how I feel about the Lion's coaching staff. I think I'll stop now before I get an aneurysm. :mad2:

Ok, so Mooch is fired. Millen hires a new coach. New face...same clown act. Our hopes are raised but after a couple years we call for the new coaches head.

Then after going through four more clown/coaches, Ford says..."oh, it's Millen". He fires him...or waits for him to die like Russ Thomas did. Then what? New GM...new face...same clown act. So now it's what? 2025? By then I'm probably dead...but you young guys still are hoping for a winner.

So then what? Ford prolly is dead by then. Is ownership still within the family? Yeppers. New Ford...New face (kind of)...same clown act.

Forget it guys. Find a new team to cheer for. The Lions will remain horrible until there is new ownership.

But I'm slowly understanding my dementia. I have a loyalty fixation that coupled with laziness won't allow me to drift to a winner. Check out this offensive set. You could use a "double ready" then shift to this set. a big hole between center and guard. Looks inviting to rush through, huh?
No, bring a free TE around to blind side the rusher. It could divide the field in two.

................................................DB .............................DB


......................CB........OLB............... ....................................OLB.......CB
......................................DE......DT.. .....MLB..........DT......DE
.................................................. ............C
.................WR.........TE....T....G.......... ...................G.....T....TE..............WR
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.................................................. ...........QB
.................................................. ...........RB
Tater, don't bring up Russ Thomas that was the dark ages for the lions.
Wayno Rules. As far as musical chairs at Head Coach - do it, the talent is there, Were is the leadership. Give them 5 games to show something likeable. Then bring in the next guy.

Bo Schembecler did alright for the short time he was coaching the Lions.

Is he still alive?

The problems with the Lions start at the top (Ford). But since thats not something that we can help, the next best thing would be to get rid of Millen (cause he is a moron), then Mooch right along with him....

Bill Walsh is the genious of the 9ers org. His assistant coaches seem to do well after leaving San Fran. George Seifert won a Super Bowl with Walsh leftovers but fell on his face when he went to Carolina. Looks like Mooch will fall into this category.:ohwell:

I was hoping for some kind of reverse package considering we have 3- 1st round picks at wide reciever. So he puts Eddie in at WR. Eddie is a fine return man. Why is he in at WR? You think the Bears noticed that? They snuffed the play for a loss!!!:doh:

I just don't get it. I watched every one of his college games and some road games. He stared in an aggressive offense that featured his deep passing ability. Mooch could chuck it with the best of um. Not only long but accurate too. It seemed like every game stat included two or more 50+ yard completion. When he was named coach I had great expectations for Joey.

Where has all of this conservative play come from. When does Ordinary Joe begin to blossom. Getting tired of the embarassment.

While I agree with you guy's that Mooch should be fired it will not happen. Old man Ford has too much money invested in Mooch and besides that Mooch is the best pitch man he has for Ford/Lincoln Mercury. Millen has been a failure and he got a 5 year extention. I would not be surprised if the old man gives Mooch a five year extention next year also. It is the blind leading the blind totally.:frusty:

10-9,-05 Lions 35, Ravens 17. Solid win!. Joey not much help but we won anyway.
...I've called for Mooches head but when things go right I'll give him props. Aside from the Refs. making a bad review of a incomplete pass, the Raven coaches lost this game. Their team made the gross errors. Like letting Bryson pop a 70 yd. run, bad defensive gamble! I didn't know Bryson could do that. But after 3 years I guess he was due.:nod:
RDub had a big return that lead to points.:whoo:

10-9,-05 Lions 35, Ravens 17. Solid win!. Joey not much help but we won anyway.
...I've called for Mooches head but when things go right I'll give him props.


I'll give Mooch some of the credit that the Lions won after the Bucs game and showed real toughness.

But I still think the play calling is far too conservative. I read O'haras column today about how the Lions kicked off from the BALTIMORE 40 and booted it into the endzone rather than attempt an onside kick which only had a small likelihood of backfiring.

Mooch is a nice man and I'm rooting for him, but I have to judge him on his overall record before giving him too many props. The Lions basically took what was handed to them (shoved down their throats even, lol) and for once did not "outstupid" their opponents. I don't know how much of that was due to Mooch.

I'll give Mooch some of the credit that the Lions won after the Bucs game and showed real toughness.

But I still think the play calling is far too conservative. I read O'haras column today about how the Lions kicked off from the BALTIMORE 40 and booted it into the endzone rather than attempt an onside kick which only had a small likelihood of backfiring.

Mooch is a nice man and I'm rooting for him, but I have to judge him on his overall record before giving him too many props. The Lions basically took what was handed to them (shoved down their throats even, lol) and for once did not "outstupid" their opponents. I don't know how much of that was due to Mooch.

I was wonder why they did not onside kick it or just poochkick it up in the air. Why kick it thru the uprights??? Stupid.. Stupid ..Stupid :doh:

We won basically on our defense causing turnovers. It was nothing special that we did as a team. Harrington still stinking up the place.

But I still think the play calling is far too conservative.

Our offense is depressing. Outside of Joey's drive in Tampa where we got robbed, I can't think of anytime we appeared to be clicking the way we should have. ..oh, and I'm not impressed by Mr. Jones the slightest. I'm hoping he is just a slow starter, otherwise I might have to side with Micro with the overrated discussion.

How often do you kickoff from there? I doubt anyone expects or prepares for that. I didn't even think of "on sides" kick. If it goes out of bounds do you still get a retry? Or would it go to the 40?
...Until Joey can read a Dee I think they should keep the reigns tight.
As for Mr. Jones, he was banging heads all day, he got a minor concussion trying to bang it in from the one. Did you see him flick that LB to the ground! Me likey:)

Our offense is depressing. Outside of Joey's drive in Tampa where we got robbed, I can't think of anytime we appeared to be clicking the way we should have. ..oh, and I'm not impressed by Mr. Jones the slightest. I'm hoping he is just a slow starter, otherwise I might have to side with Micro with the overrated discussion.

I think Jones is tough and he wants to win. I think he'll be fine IF they just give him a little help.

I think Jones is tough and he wants to win. I think he'll be fine IF they just give him a little help.

I think Jones is the only legit first round draft pick they have. Roy Williams seems like a poor mans Randy Moss without the production. He takes off plays and doesn't seem interested if the ball is not coming his way. Mike Williams it still is too early to tell about and we already know Joey is terrible and Charles Rogers is a bust in the making.

I think you are coming down a little hard R.Will. Like someone said, he and CRog are a home run threats so why are they running "outs". He should be running "ups" like Moss.
...Carolina at Ford Field. Panthers OFF. avg. 303yd.p.g., points 25 per, 5th best, Panther Dee 30th, sacks 5 (30th) Could Joey be able to throw?
Lions 17, Panthers 20, heartbreaker:doh:

Lions 17, Panthers 20, heartbreaker:doh:

You mean heartbreaker for the Panthers because they were embarrassed to only win by 3, right?:laugh:

The lions know what's coming.

I think you are coming down a little hard R.Will. Like someone said, he and CRog are a home run threats so why are they running "outs". He should be running "ups" like Moss.
...Carolina at Ford Field. Panthers OFF. avg. 303yd.p.g., points 25 per, 5th best, Panther Dee 30th, sacks 5 (30th) Could Joey be able to throw?
Lions 17, Panthers 20, heartbreaker:doh:

Roy Williams is starting to piss me off because he acts like a big baby. He keeps running his mouth in the media instead of just playing. He is still beefing with KJ when KJ has apologized twice already about the incident on the sidelines. What more does he want?? How can Roy bad mouth anyone when he is not consistent hiimself? Shouldn't you hold yourself to a higher standard than everyone else?

Now you're getting to the nitty-gritty. He knows he wasn't on the same page with Joey on that int. Maybe he's just frustrated with Mooches or Tollners dull offense. Maybe Pollard would like to yap for getting hung out to dry. I say we coddle RWill, at least for now.:attention

Roy Williams is starting to piss me off because he acts like a big baby. He keeps running his mouth in the media instead of just playing. He is still beefing with KJ when KJ has apologized twice already about the incident on the sidelines. What more does he want?? How can Roy bad mouth anyone when he is not consistent hiimself? Shouldn't you hold yourself to a higher standard than everyone else?

Roy should be mad at himself instead of ticked off at KJ. Kevin wanted to win bad enough that he was paying attention in the huddle. Is that asking too much? I would think he had a right to expect that of Roy too. I guess Roy would just rather his teammates accept that kind of junk and continue losing because of stupid mistakes.

Yeah, he needs to just make up for it on the field instead of griping.

Roy should be mad at himself instead of ticked off at KJ. Kevin wanted to win bad enough that he was paying attention in the huddle. Is that asking too much? I would think he had a right to expect that of Roy too. I guess Roy would just rather his teammates accept that kind of junk and continue losing because of stupid mistakes.

Yeah, he needs to just make up for it on the field instead of griping.

This is why MOOCH must go!! The in fighting and the confusion should not be happening on a pro team. I heard that Millen came to practice last week and was yelling at a receiver for dropping a pass. Shouldn't Mooch be doing the yelling?? I also am sick of the way he treats Joey Harrington. He is seting him up to fail by not backing him and undermining Joey. Why should the team respect Joey or play for him when the coach doesn't respect him? Now don't get me wrong i have my issues with Joey but be fair and give the guy a chance and if your not going to do that then bench him and put Garcia in and see how far you get with him.

In my opinion bringing in Garcia was another dumb move. The guy is washed up and is too old to be effective he is not the future he only has a year maybe two left tops. Millen should have not listened to MOOCH and went out and got a guy with something left in the tank with some upside like Billy Voleck or Kitna.

This is why MOOCH must go!! The in fighting and the confusion should not be happening on a pro team. I heard that Millen came to practice last week and was yelling at a receiver for dropping a pass. Shouldn't Mooch be doing the yelling?? I also am sick of the way he treats Joey Harrington. He is seting him up to fail by not backing him and undermining Joey. Why should the team respect Joey or play for him when the coach doesn't respect him? Now don't get me wrong i have my issues with Joey but be fair and give the guy a chance and if your not going to do that then bench him and put Garcia in and see how far you get with him.

In my opinion bringing in Garcia was another dumb move. The guy is washed up and is too old to be effective he is not the future he only has a year maybe two left tops. Millen should have not listened to MOOCH and went out and got a guy with something left in the tank with some upside like Billy Voleck or Kitna.

I agree with you that Mooch is setting Joey up to fail. I've been saying the same thing to anyone who will listen for 2 years now. I'm not completely sold on him either, but he's the best we have right now (Although I'm sure Mooch would disagree. I guarentee that the only reason Garcia isn't starting right now is because he's injured. If he was healthy, Mooch would have benched Joey after the Bears game).

However I disagree with you about Garcia. I like the pickup of Garcia as a backup to mentor Joey. Jeff isn't the long term answer for us, but he can help to push Joey and help him with the mental aspects of the game. He's a big upgrade over McMahon in that regard.

The Lions tried to get Warner and almost succeded. I'd rather have Warner over Garcia, but Jeff was the next best choice.

Joey is FAR from the only problem on this Lions offense, but he has become the biggest scape goat.

M & M are going down together! The Last 9 years of the Millen! I like Millen getting after players. But this could undermine Mooch. At This time Garcia was the fair get. No real threat to Joel. Jeffy was gashing Dees with his feet before Mcgee hit him in the throat! Volek aint going anywhere. Someone offered a 1 & 2 and they said no. If they went after Warner, with this system, he falls on his face too. If Ford wanted Joel then we wait until its over. For better or for worse.

Ok a 20 to 21 heartbreaker. The secondary is improveing as they have Picks in the last three games. They are subject to the deep ball, burned the last two games. Max Protect and bombs. Scott Mitchell, E. Kramer or Batch coulda beat Carolina.

Ok a 20 to 21 heartbreaker. The secondary is improveing as they have Picks in the last three games. They are subject to the deep ball, burned the last two games. Max Protect and bombs. Scott Mitchell, E. Kramer or Batch coulda beat Carolina.
Not with that blocking scheme.

Read what Killer has to say today about the offensive woes
http://www.mlive.com/lions/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/112954383643290.xml&coll=1

And Drew Sharp has a column basically backing up what JammerTime and I have been saying. Mooch undermined JoJo, so he's the one on the hottest seat.
http://www.freep.com/sports/lions/drew17e_20051017.htm

Let's face it, Joeys under contract. Even if he loses his job to Garcia this year, if Garcia doesn't play well, he and Mooch will be swept out at season's end, and JoJo just might get a chance with the new coach.

Coaches turn over easier than players. Particularly when the "offensive" coach cannot build an offense in 3 years and has been handed every piece of talent available.

Where was the defense's accountability on the final drive when a 75-year-old Chris Weinke came off the bench with three years of rust, and effectively moved the Panthers in the end zone for the winning score?

HAHAHAHA! A 75 year old Chris Weinke!

The D is still very seceptible to giving up the big play and they still can't put teams away on either side of the ball. The D wants to be considered one of the best in the league, and although I don't think they're that far away, they have to get better in both of those areas to be mentioned along side the elite defences.

With the way the offence is playing, the D has to play perfect football to even have a chance of winning. The D feels totally betrayed by the offence. You know things aren't going to be all roses when your D outscores your O 14-6.

Even though they gave up the 80 yard TD and let the 75 year old Chris Weinke beat them, those were really the only 2 mistakes they made all game. I don't blame the D for this loss at all.

I do think Joey Harrington is an NFL caliber QB, but I don't think he'll ever reach his potential in Detroit. A change of scenery would do him wonders. However, given his contract, that's easier said than done.

I agree with Micro. It's much easier to change a coach than to change a bunch of players. This scheme doesn't fit our talents.

Flip said it best recently, that a coach has to adapt to his players, not the other way around. You have to play to your strengths and the Lions coaches aren't doing that.

Not with that blocking scheme.


Let's face it, Joeys under contract. Even if he loses his job to Garcia this year, if Garcia doesn't play well, he and Mooch will be swept out at season's end, and JoJo just might get a chance with the new coach.

Coaches turn over easier than players. Particularly when the "offensive" coach cannot build an offense in 3 years and has been handed every piece of talent available.



Mooch is not going anywhere. He will get a 5 year extention next week.:doh:
He will blame everything on Harrington and injuries. :frusty:

Mooch is the loser.:nod: This mess is ultimately his fault along with Millen. It was Millen's vision that the great Mooch and his crappy offense was so great. It was Millen who put this terrible offensive line together and drafted 3 WR's with number 1 picks. It is Mooch that refuses to realize that this sytem is terrible. No one else runs the WCO in the league. All of the other teams have tweaked there systems to a modfied WCO which allows deeper pass routes. Mooch is the only guy who is living in the 1980's with a system that is outdated and predictable. Millen is the guy that put the talent together that is not equiped for the short passing game.

I just wish someone would just throw out the play book and go 4WR send everyone ddep and line KJ in the backfield and let him run. This would open up so many passing lanes as well as make running the ball easy. A team could not pack 8 or 9 in the box for long if you were send guy's deep every play. When you got guy's running 3 yard and 5 yard routes it is so easy to stack the guy's in the box and stop the run.:confused: How can Joey hit anyone when the blitz is coming if the line lets them come untouched and there is no seperation because the guy's are running 3 yard routes.? This is the freaking NFL if you can't cover a 3 yard route then you don't deserve to be there.

Not with that blocking scheme.

Read what Killer has to say today about the offensive woes
http://www.mlive.com/lions/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/112954383643290.xml&coll=1

And Drew Sharp has a column basically backing up what JammerTime and I have been saying. Mooch undermined JoJo, so he's the one on the hottest seat.
http://www.freep.com/sports/lions/drew17e_20051017.htm

Let's face it, Joeys under contract. Even if he loses his job to Garcia this year, if Garcia doesn't play well, he and Mooch will be swept out at season's end, and JoJo just might get a chance with the new coach.

Coaches turn over easier than players. Particularly when the "offensive" coach cannot build an offense in 3 years and has been handed every piece of talent available.

Wow, Lions football sucks. :(

Mooch is not going anywhere. He will get a 5 year extention next week.:doh:


I was laughing when I saw that, and then I thought about it after a minute and realized it's a distinct possibility. :frusty::faint2:

Woody has a lot of nerve talking when they blitz from the other side and he's not blocking anyone so he takes the play off. Joey gets sacked by a blitzer. Fat ass, move to the other side of the pocket.

Woody has a lot of nerve talking when they blitz from the other side and he's not blocking anyone so he takes the play off. Joey gets sacked by a blitzer. Fat ass, move to the other side of the pocket.

Teams have been blitzing from all over, taking advantage of Kelly Butler from the right, Backus from the left and Riola up the middle. If Woody were to move to the other side of the pocket to pick up a blitzer (which is completely unrealistic) he would leave his own man free to hit Joey.

Woody is the only guy on this line that has been holding his own. He's also a former pro bowler and super bowl champion.

The Lions need more proven, talented guys like Woody speaking up. Guys like Pollard and Garcia are good character guys. Guys that the young players will listen to. Joey is trying, but he has to produce on the field to earn the respect of his teammates.

We need a guy like Favre quarterbacking this team. There are just too many young guys on this offence. Favre would not only get in their faces, but would have the respect and best efforts from each of them.

We need a guy like Favre quarterbacking this team. There are just too many young guys on this offence. Favre would not only get in their faces, but would have the respect and best efforts from each of them.

I have to agree with the blocking scheme Farve would get in their faces.......From his hospital bed after getting his keester blown out.Until this O-line starts blocking better together ain't no qb or rb doin a dam thing.

I have to agree with the blocking scheme Farve would get in their faces.......From his hospital bed after getting his keester blown out.Until this O-line starts blocking better together ain't no qb or rb doin a dam thing.
lol :sick: <------ any Lions QB

I do think Joey is through in Detroit though. I guess 2 quarterback deals just went down. Rattay from S.F. to Tampa (Griese is out for the year), and A.J. Feely went to San Diego. I think Detroit should have traded Joey. Maybe there were no takers. lol.

lol :sick: <------ any Lions QB

I do think Joey is through in Detroit though. I guess 2 quarterback deals just went down. Rattay from S.F. to Tampa (Griese is out for the year), and A.J. Feely went to San Diego. I think Detroit should have traded Joey. Maybe there were no takers. lol.

As soon as Garcia went down a trade should have been made to get a vet to take over as backup. This is why Mooch has to go. Why play games with the media? We all know who really runs this crap.

Mooch: Walks into Millen's office. Hey, Matt I want to make a QB change. I know I have come in your office every week for the last 2 years asking can I replace Joey but I will like to try again.

Millen: You are a pest. I told you what the deal is Mooch are you just plain stupid??

Mooch: Well yes I am as a matter of fact.:doh:

Millen: Okay you know the drill I will get back with you on Wed.

Mooch: Lowers his head and leaves the office mumbling obsenities.

Millen: Picks up the phone and makes a call. "Hello is Mr. Ford in today. The Secretary responds yes he is please hold.

WCF: Hello Matt how are you? What do you want you know I don't
like it when people interupt me counting my money. Now I have start all
over!!!!

Millen: Sir, Mooch is having a cow. He wants to bench Joey.

WCF: What?? Tell that toad under no such terms will my boy be benched!!!

Millen: But Sir?? Have you seen the games? He is terrible.

WCF: Nonsense Matt. He is doing a fine job. I haven't seen a game since 1979 and I don't need to start now. I know that what's his face is doing great. Mooch just needs to just relax. Does he want to do another Ford commercial? That will take his mind off of everything. I need a pitch man for our new Fusion. Anyway about that kid oh yeah Joey, I was just counting the jersey revenue money yesterday. That kid brings in big bucks out west in Duck country and the stadium is sold out every week. He is like my second son Matt. Have you noticed his boyish good looks??

MIllen: Sighs. I guess that is a No then. I will inform Mooch.

WCF: You do that. Now let me get back to counting my money. I have a plane to catch in an hour. Jr. and I are going to Florida to do some golfing. Oh, and Matt don't bother me again with this foolishness.

Millen: Sighs. Yes Sir.
WCF: I can't hear you.
Millen: YES SIR. MR. FORD SIR!!!!!!

Millen: Calls Mooch
Mooch: Hello Matt

Millen: Well I tried but you know what the answer is. By the way he asked if you were interested in doing another commercial??
Mooch: Matt this is serious!!I am in danger of losing this team and I may get fired.

Millen: Fired??? I don't know the meaning of that word. Mooch like
Mr. Ford told me you need to relax buddy. As long as Joey is raking in the loot and the stadium is filled up ever week you and I have nothing to worry about.

Mooch: Okay. Well I guess I need to run out and get a haircut for
my new commerical. I will talk to you later.

Millen: Alright then. Oh and Mooch. If you need me to come to practice again and yell at a couple of guy's for you all you have to do is call.

Mooch: Alright Matt. I may need you to yell at Shaun Rogers. That guy scares me. I could have swore that he said he said he was going to pour hot sauce on me and eat me.

Millen: You must have got a ride home with Charles again. I told you to stop car pooling with him. That is my job. Now don't bother call me again I am going to be in Pennsylvania the rest of the week.

Mooch: Okay Boss. He hangs up the phone and begins to beat his head into the desk:frusty:

LOL!!! That was clever! :laugh:

Ok maybe I came down hard on Woody for yakking. But a vet O'lineman has to know where the protection is needed. During the Bear game BrUrl came through the Woody - Butler slot 3 times and drilled Joel 3 times!
Not Woodys fault, he was engaged. But Carolina sent 2 guys through the Backus-Demull slot and creamed Joel. Woody wasn't engaged.
...When the oline lets the QB get creamed, that's their way of saying "good night sweet Prince!"

Ok maybe I came down hard on Woody for yakking. But a vet O'lineman has to know where the protection is needed. During the Bear game BrUrl came through the Woody - Butler slot 3 times and drilled Joel 3 times!
Not Woodys fault, he was engaged. But Carolina sent 2 guys through the Backus-Demull slot and creamed Joel. Woody wasn't engaged.
...When the oline lets the QB get creamed, that's their way of saying "good night sweet Prince!"

Unless the lineman is pulling for a run or screen, they aren't responsible for someone else's lane. They have their own lane and their own responsibilities, unless the coverage and scheme specifically calls for a double team or chip on a specific defender.

If a guy gets through on the other side of the line there isn't too much they can do about it, engaged or not. As soon as Woody leaves his position, guess what, now instead of having a hole on the left, there's a hole on the right. Not to mention the fact that by the time he gets over there, the defensive player already has the QB eating turf.

Our backs and TE's have to do a better job of blitz pickups as well.

Trust me, I'm as frustrated with this offence as anybody, but in this case, I don't think Woody is the problem.

Good points. Then the problem is Joel. He should have seen the 2 blitzers[delayed] shooting the gap and shifted over to Woody. And on our next dee series we should have done the same thing to them. However KK took care of that when he speared the sliding Deloumme.

I previously called him Rain Mooch, but lately I have been running with Macho Mariachi. Here is my attempt at some art.

http://www.pistonsforum.com/images/micro/macho_mariachi.jpg

I previously called him Rain Mooch, but lately I have been running with Macho Mariachi. Here is my attempt at some art.

http://www.pistonsforum.com/images/micro/macho_mariachi.jpg


Could be his next occupation...?

Either that or mopping the paint at the Breslin Center...

An embroidered suit, very stylish.

Apparently Mooch will be fired tomorrow as reported by Drew Sharp in ESPN.

Apparently Mooch will be fired tomorrow as reported by Drew Sharp in ESPN.

Looks like his plan of benching Joey in favour of Garcia today backfired.

Mooch shot his only goat.

Apparently Mooch will be fired tomorrow as reported by Drew Sharp in ESPN.

I heard the same thing. According to Sharp, Millen should go because he drafted players that were talented but didn't fit the system. Mooch should be fired because he is ultra conservative and tried to use that type of system on personnel it wouldn't work for (i.e. trying to run the ball all the time and not utilizing his wide receivers strengths, etc.

Makes sense to me. Too bad Millen won't be fired too.

I like the guy, but not as the Lions coach. I didn't like him as the SF coach either when I lived in Norcal. I think Mooch would make a very nice college coach for someone. I've never thought he was pro material. I think he would be a good Lord of the Living Room (with recruits) and his NFL experience would be able to draw recruits. I would almost say I'd love to see him take over at UM if he'd learn to have his offense throw the ball downfield. The guys haven't responded to him for whatever reason. He's only ONE of the problems though.

I don't know if you can pin that Falcon loss on Mooch. He's tried to go downfield the last 3 games without much success. When Hall cut in front of RWill and as RWill tripped he should have tackled Hall rather than give up the INT. Mooch could be the next Pete Carrol.

I don't know if you can pin that Falcon loss on Mooch. He's tried to go downfield the last 3 games without much success. When Hall cut in front of RWill and as RWill tripped he should have tackled Hall rather than give up the INT. Mooch could be the next Pete Carrol.

According to Drew Sharp, the players in the locker room told him stuff like "The rest of the season I'm just playing for my personal stats". They've given up on Mooch and his system. So does one blame that on Mooch or the players?

The last nine days of the Mooch. The bigger they come the harder they fall. When guys started saying Mooch would be fired, I thought, wow you are really desperate grasping at whispers. So i looked around and Mooch was like business as usual. Did he get blindsided?