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Some of you will remember that I made up sprocket points early in the year as a way to measure player productivity and how important that productivity was to the team. The method went through a couple of iterations early on, from just mimicing the scoring scheme used by The Sporting News in its fantasy league to an approach that I thought did a better job of balancing scoring with the other important things a player should do. As with any such scoring, it is limited in content to those statistics that are commonly available for players and teams. As such, it is entirely event focused, only taking into account those discrete events that end up in score sheets (taking a shot, getting a rebound, making a block, etc.).

With a new season looming around the corner I thought it might be a good time to review the formulation of sprocket points and see if there are any improvements to be made. So, if you’re not interested in this kind of thing, head on over to another thread. But if you are, please read on and send back any comments you have. Nothing is set in stone yet, but I do want to determine a method that will remain consistent throughout the entire next season, so now is the time.

There are loads of similar scoring methods that various people use. Just using one of those didn’t seem nearly as much fun as making up my own. The main difference here is that I’ve tried to estimate the value of each of the measured events in terms of points produced or saved. My scoring will tend to place higher values on rebounds, steals, etc. than many other systems. Another difference is that I penalize players for missing shots, with a higher penalty for missing threes than for missing twos.


Available stats -
I usually download stats from www.dougstats.com (http://www.dougstats.com/). It’s the only place I’ve found that provides nice delimited text files that dump easily into Excel. And fortunately the roster of stats provided is also the most comprehensive I’ve seen. The roster of statistics I start with for sprocket points is…

Games played
Games started
Minutes played
Field goals made
Field goals attempted
Three point shots made
Three point shots attempted
Free throws made
Free throws attempted
Offensive rebounds
Total rebounds
Assists
Steals
Turnovers
Blocks
Personal fouls
Disqualifications
Points scored
Technical fouls
Ejections
Flagrant fouls

From these I create shots missed, two point shots, defensive boards, etc. So question one – are there other key statistics that should be included in the scoring? Bear in mind that if wishes were horses then beggars could ride, so feel free to suggest anything you think would make the scoring better, but remember that including it means that I can get my hands on it.


Valuing the stats –
This is the part that gets all subjectively objective. What I do with each event is try to value it in terms of points either directly or potentially produced, or taken away from the opponent. At the end I’ve provided the scoring used this year and the changes I’m considering for next year. Bear the following in mind as you review…
Any event that takes place on the floor will generally have two consequences. For example, making a steal both takes a possession away from the opponent and provides an incremental posession for the stealing team. The steal gives the stealing team incremental in-control time within the game they may use as they wish.
Points win games, but only if the other team doesn’t score more.
Some events have measurable consequences and unmeasureable ones. For example, enough blocked shots can both demoralize a team and change the kinds of shots it takes, generally from less to more difficult since most blocks are close in and therefore higher percentage. You don’t have to look any farther than the Pistons – Heat series to see how good shot blockers can help to take a team out of their offense.
Missing shots can be as detrimental to a team’s performance as making them is beneficial. As with blocks, missed shots can have a long term demoralizing impact. Determining whether things are getting better –
Although sprocket points are a method to evaluate individual players, they can also be used to evaluate teams. When you’re evaluating teams, there is a clear performance standard and that is how many times the team wins. So, I plot team sprocket points versus team winning percentage to determine how predictive the scoring is. Any change to the weights/values should increase the predictive relationship between sprocket points and team winning percentage.

The existing measure correlates with the team winning percentage at 0.7301. (A correlation is a measure that varies between 1 and -1 and estimates how well one variable predicts another. A value of 1 means that you can perfectly predict winning with sprocket points. A value of 0 means that there is no predictive value. Negative values means a higher number of sprocket points results in a lower number of wins.) 0.7301 is pretty good. It means that in a statistical regression sense, sprocket points explain about 53% of the variance in winning percentage.

The new weights improve the variance explained by around 4%. The correlation goes up to 0.7427 and the percentage of variance explained to a bit over 55%.

Note that lots of other things influence winning, so no player/event based measure can predict it all. For example, teams have different schedule strength, different numbers of back to backs, different distances to travel for road games, etc. And remember, that sprocket points are built to measure players and not team performance.



Old and new values for the stats –

Games played
Old weight: 0.0
New weight: 0.0
Rationale – There is more flexibilty in the final score if I do not include games played, but create a second measure of sprocket points per game when needed.

Games started
Old weight: 0.0
New weight: 0.0
Rationale – In general starters are the most productive players on a team so there is no need to bump their production further by including a positive weight for starts. Also, I wouldn’t want the scoring to penalize a non-starter who played starter type minutes – McHale in the old days for Boston, Stackhouse for Dallas last year, etc.

Minutes played
Old weight: 0.0
New weight: 0.0
Rationale – As with games played, leaving minutes out provides more flexibility by allowing a points per minute measure to be computed from the basic sprocket points. This is useful for comparing players who play varying numbers of minutes.

Field goals made
Old weight: 0.0
New weight: 0.0
Rationale – Better to separate out two and three point shots.

Field goals missed
Old weight: 0.0
New weight: 0.0
Rationale – Better to separate out two and three point shots.

Field goals attempted
Old weight: 0.0
New weight: 0.0
Rationale – Better to separate out two and three point shots.

Two point shots made
Old weight: 2.0
New weight: 2.0
Rationale – Seems logical.

Two point shots missed
Old weight: -0.920
New weight: -0.9558
Rationale – The new weight is an updated version using last season’s data. For each two point shot missed, I subtract two points times the league average shooting percentage for a two point shot (0.4779). Basically this says that rather than taking and missing the shot the player could have given the ball up to an average teammate who would have taken a shot valued at 0.9558 points. So, your scoring is devalued if you shoot more poorly than the average NBA player and prized if you shoot at a higher percentage. I wanted to penalize players who take thirty shots to make ten.

Two point shots attempted
Old weight: 0.0
New weight: 0.0
Rationale – Already handled by weighting both shots made and missed.

Three point shots made
Old weight: 3.0
New weight: 3.0
Rationale – Seems logical.

Three point shots missed
Old weight: -1.0820
New weight: -1.0749
Rationale – Same logic as with two point shots. So, if you missed 75% of three pointers taken, you actually lose points in the scoring regardless of how many you make.

Three point shots attempted
Old weight: 0.0
New weight: 0.0
Rationale – Already handled by weighting both shots made and missed.

Free throws made
Old weight: 1.0
New weight: 1.0
Rationale – Seems logical.

Free throws missed
Old weight: -1.0
New weight: -0.7453
Rationale – In the current scoring I basically say that no one should be excused for missing free throws. In the new version I use the same logic as with any shot from the field, subtracting the league average shooting percentage for each missed shot.

Free throws attempted
Old weight: 0.0
New weight: 0.0
Rationale – Already handled by weighting both shots made and missed.

Offensive rebounds
Old weight: 1.35
New weight: 2.2703
Rationale –
Old scoring – 82games says that an offensive board results in a hoop 50.48% of the time. 2.265 points is the average value of a made basket (properly weighting twos and threes). I multiplied .5048 by 2.265 to get 1.1434. Then I added a bit of a kicker for the emotional impact of an offensive board (0.2) to get a weight of 1.35.
New scoring - .5048 * 2.1598 (shooting percentages have gone down) = 1.0903. However, an offensive board also takes away an opponent’s possession. Assuming the opponent gets off an attempt (with the average NBA FGA value of 0.9800), then 1.0903 + 0.9800 = 2.0703. I then add in the 0.2 kicker for a value of 2.2703.

Defensive rebounds
Old weight: 1.3500
New weight: 2.0703
Rationale –
Old scoring – A defensive rebound takes away an offensive rebound from the opponent so the weight is the same as for an offensive board.
New scoring – Again, figured it worked out the same as an offensive board, just in the opposite order, except you’re supposed to get defensive boards so there is no kicker.

Total rebounds
Old weight: 0.0
New weight: 0.0
Rationale – Already handled with the weighting of offensive and defensive boards.

Assists
Old weight: 2.0000
New weight: 2.1598
Rationale – An assist provides a made basket. 2.1598 is the average value for an FGA, properly weighted by the shares of twos and threes.

Steals
Old weight: 2.000
New weight: 1.9600
Rationale – A steal takes away an opponent FGA and provides an FGA for the stealing team. So, 2 times 0.9800 (average value of an FGA) = 1.9600.

Turnovers
Old weight: -2.000
New weight: -1.9600
Rationale – A turnover functions in the same way as a steal, except in the opposite order.

Blocks
Old weight: 2.000
New weight: 2.0527
Rationale – 82games says that a blocked shot had a 62% chance of going in (higher shooting percentage since blocks tend to be closer to the basket). So, a block takes away 0.62 * 2 = 1.24 points from the opponent. 57% of the time the blocking team gets possession (often the block goes out of bounds or is picked up by the offense). So, 57% of the time a block provides an FGA and 0.57 * 1.0749 (average value of FGA) = 0.6127. Summing, the total value of a block is 1.8527. I then add 0.2 for residual intimidation for a total of 2.0527.

Personal fouls
Old weight: -1.000
New weight: -0.6921
Rationale – I didn’t have data to tell me what percent of fouls result in zero, one, or two free throws. However, I know the average team commits about 28 fouls per game. I rather imperiously decided that 12 were not shooting fouls, leaving 16 fouls that resulted in free throws. Continuing to legislate, I decided 10 of those were two shot fouls and 6 one shot fouls. Putting all that together with the average free throw shooting percentage, the average points given up for a foul are 0.6921.

Disqualifications
Old weight: 0.0
New weight: 0.0
Rationale – Without some notion of minutes left in the game, seemed pointless to try and value.

Points scored
Old weight: 0.0
New weight: 0.0
Rationale – Already handled in the scoring of field goals and free throws.

Technical fouls
Old weight: -1.000
New weight: -1.000
Rationale – It’s generally the other teams best shooter so I penalized one point for every technical.

Just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks...

Techs. Could it be the average FT% of each team's best FT shooter?

Pts scored. It seems to me that you are weighting shotmaking with calculating points for makes and misses.

If you are going to punish a player for being a poor 3P shooter, you should also punish poor FG shooters. As it stands, you are only punishing players shooting below 33% (approx) on two point FGs, which is a rarity, whereas many more players shoot at or below 25% from 3. I realize it is a volume game but that volume seems to heavily weight in favour of missed 2s over missed 3s.

PS, do you want me to fix Blocks New Weight?

Duh, yes please.

2.0527

Thanks.

Re...

Techs - reasonable way to do it, but looking up and keeping track of who that is may not be possible. However, my guess is that the best guy on each team is within a pretty tight band and the average would be fine.

Shooting - thinking, but have to go and cook dinner.

I tried just adding in more value for scoring. So, I added in points weighted at face value, then points weighted at 0.5, etc. to the regular weighting. Any option that placed more value on points did less well at predicting team win percentage. Dropping all of my shotmaking weighted points and replacing with points at face value also did less well - about 16% worse at explaining the teams ranked by win percentage.

Shooting misses are negatively weighted in sprocket points by the league average shooting percentages from two, three, and the line. Last season these were...

2 - 0.4779
3 - 0.3583
FT - 0.7453

So when I subtract 0.9558 for a missed two point shot I am subtracting the expected value of a two point shot league-wide = 2 * 0.4779.

Likewise with threes = 3 * 0.3583 = 1.0749.

As a shooter you are punished worse for missing a three than for missing a two, but of course the reward is much higher too. The punishment for a missed three is 12% higher than for missing a two, but the reward - a made three - has 50% higher value.


I also took a look at team level data just to see what best predicted the team's winning percentage. The results were really interesting. Ranked from best to worst, this is how the following predict winning percentage...

1 Fouls - fouls are the best predictor of winning percentage - teams that don't foul win
2 Def boards - don't foul and take care of the boards and you win
3 Turnovers
4 Blocks
5 Twos missed
6 Assists
7 Threes made
8 Points scored
9 Threes missed
10 FT made
11 Off boards
12 Steals
13 FT missed
14 Technicals
15 Twos made

Scoring is only the eighth best predictor of number of wins.

WOW dba, that was a lot of work you did and it really amazed me. It was great, and I actualy think I understood most of it (or else it was my pain medication kicking in:)

I have a couple of questions: on Field Goals attempted, was there some rationale that could have been done (like other rationales: already handled by weighing both shots made and missed) or does this particular total make a difference?

I like it that you put in some "intangibles" like the effect certain plays might have on that player (and ultimately the team) such as intimidation, demoralizing and IMO even uplifting and feeling good.

To me, it was curious that winning predictors would be #1. FT (none), yet FT made was #10 and FT missed #13. It seems like FT made would be #2 and FT missed #3. I felt that some of the games Spurs lost, especially the really close one, was due to missed FT.

I also wonder if team GMs, etc. look at a report like yours to evaluate a players productivity and value to the team. That way, folks like Burford and Joe Dumars can make unemotional adjustments. I was thinking they could have the players color-coded so they wouldnt be influenced by their liking/disliking certain players.

Anyway, dba, you did a super job.:nod:

dba, this is a lot to digest. I need to read it a couple times and come back, but thanks for posting the "Predictors". That is valuable to know.

The fouls as a predictor help explain how Phoenix is so successful.

WOW dba, that was a lot of work you did and it really amazed me. It was great, and I actualy think I understood most of it (or else it was my pain medication kicking in:)

Medication does help.

I have a couple of questions: on Field Goals attempted, was there some rationale that could have been done (like other rationales: already handled by weighing both shots made and missed) or does this particular total make a difference?

I thought it might be useful to break out two and three point shots rather than just look at all field goals. Made ones are easily accounted for - I could have just used non-FT points scored but it seemed easier for me to understand by making them separate. But the bigger kick it allows is for missing twos and threes to be differentially punished. I think that is really true in the game and I like that a bigger reward also carries with it a bigger risk.

I like it that you put in some "intangibles" like the effect certain plays might have on that player (and ultimately the team) such as intimidation, demoralizing and IMO even uplifting and feeling good.

The problem of course is that I just make up the bump a player receives.

To me, it was curious that winning predictors would be #1. FT (none), yet FT made was #10 and FT missed #13. It seems like FT made would be #2 and FT missed #3. I felt that some of the games Spurs lost, especially the really close one, was due to missed FT.

Bear in mind that I'm looking at the absolute value of the correlations, so here it is lack of fouling that predicts winning. Teams that won the most games tended to commit the fewest fouls while those that lost a lot committed a lot of fouls. And that seems to make sense. In general if you're playing solid defense you don't commit many fouls - you're not getting beat, not reaching in, etc. And if you're in control on the other end, you're not very likely to commit offensive fouls. So, I think a low number of fouls just stands in pretty well as an indicator of a team's ability to play in control.

I also wonder if team GMs, etc. look at a report like yours to evaluate a players productivity and value to the team. That way, folks like Burford and Joe Dumars can make unemotional adjustments. I was thinking they could have the players color-coded so they wouldnt be influenced by their liking/disliking certain players.

I'm sure they do, though with a lot more detail than anything I can do with my level of knowledge and the stats that are available in the public domain.

Could someone summarize this? In 3 sentences or less?

Could someone summarize this? In 3 sentences or less?
:pound:On my second reading now. :noidea: No clue, but I'll keep at it.

Alright I'll check back in AuraK.

@ dba - Ok you sold me on leaving points out. I'm still trying to wrap my head around three pointers.

I'm wondering how your FTmade/missed, FGmade/missed, 3Pmade/missed contrasts with true shooting % and/or eFG% (not that I am well versed in either stat).

Also curious to know if OREB and DREB should be separated to provide more granularity in the results given their respective ranks as predictors.

My head hurts!
:wacko: :yield: :help: :dizzy: :twitch: :boom:

@ dba - Ok you sold me on leaving points out. I'm still trying to wrap my head around three pointers.

I'm wondering how your FTmade/missed, FGmade/missed, 3Pmade/missed contrasts with true shooting % and/or eFG% (not that I am well versed in either stat).

Also curious to know if OREB and DREB should be separated to provide more granularity in the results given their respective ranks as predictors.

Don't know if I'll find time tonight or not, but I'll pull some individual games and show some examples of how the made / missed works.

Not sure about OR and DR differences. Seems logical that ORs should be more important if for no other reason than they give the team a lift. I was worried that the values were already getting high though.

Sorry jammer. Drugs help.

Could someone summarize this? In 3 sentences or less?

TheeTFD, here it is. Three sentences. From the Stat Sprocket himself.


Sprocket points are a weighted composite of two pointers, three pointers, and free throws made and missed, rebounds, assists, steals, turnovers, blocks, personal fouls, and technical fouls.


I needed to update some of the calculation with new league averages based on the 05/06 season.

In the middle there somewhere are the stats that go into sprocket points and the weights I've given them - old and new. That's the heart of it.

Here's my paraphrase, borrowing from The Colbert Report. :laugh:

Remaking Sprocket Points

The extensive and to most of us mind-numbing labor of love that dba has done gives us new and improved sprocket points. Now Sprocket Points are better balanced, more fairly weighted and even include consensus and deliberation with other like-minded Stat Cat types from this forum.

All You Need To Know

Next season's Sprocket Points will kick azz and give us the cutting edge statistical supremacy and player productivity numbers we need to crush our enemies and make them beg for mercy.:rockon:Take no prisoners!

I believe they do windows too.

And the answer was/is?