Just predictions on which players will play how many minutes, score so many points, get so many rebounds, etc on the Pistons squad. Now, me, I will at the end of the year look over what people wrote and report on how people did in just a couple of things. 1) For the period starting now until the first preseason game on October 11, predicting how many points each player will average in the upcoming season. I'll call this sight unseen predictions. Arbitrarily, I will use 20 games minimum to call an average legit. So if you guess 7 points a game for a certain player, and that player gets 7 points per game, but only plays in 19 games, I won't count your answer as right. To be right in that case, you have to state the player will not see 20 games of action. 2) Same for the period right after the last preseason game until the end of the first week of play in the regular season. Feel free to post all the predictions you want, and track them anyway you want. Just letting you know what exactly I am interested in grading at the end of the season.

Now my predictions: EC, won't play
Hunter, won't play
Dupree, won't play
Glynyiadakis, won't play
Carmona, won't play
CB 16 points per game
Rip 16 points per game
Tay 15 points per game
Ben 6 points per game
Sheed 12 points per game
Dyess 10 points per game
Arroyo 8 points per game
Delfino 8 points per game
Darko 5
Acker 3
Maxiell 3
Johnson 3
Davis 2
Evans 2

Team average 98 points per game. (Note, players won't play all 82 games so the above averages do not add up to 98)

This is something where there will be a much better gauge after the pre-season. Those Picking after the pre-season will have a huge advantage.

Max, I expect everyone to do both actually, if they wish. I sure will.

I had planned to make my predictions after the Pre-season. Then we will at least know who is making the team and who is not. But I just thought there would be less screeching of tires if we at least know who to predict for and who to forget.

Maybe I will try to scratch something together before, but it would be just that, scratching something together.

In fact, I had been wanting to wait until I can see the guys for myself at the open practice. I REALLY want to see that.

Anyone else going to try to go there?

I say lets get an idea of who followed the offseason stuff. The scouting reports. Summer league. The trends of the new coach. Heck, its only a prediction. And you can make more later as you get more data. In other words, give me something to read, please.

Points only
Ben 8
Sheed 16
Prince 16
Billups 16
Rip 23
Dyess 12
Darko 5
DAvis 2
Arroyo 6
Evans 4
Hunter 1

Acker, Johnson and Maxiel play less than 20 games. But all get some time in the Dev league.

Notes: Sheed takes over more of the post-scoring from Ben. Tay continues his offensive activity from the end of last-season when he was last healthy. Billups get more green lights but finds he enjoys setting up other players. Rip has a career season. Arroyo beats out Hunter. And Darko does well but does not play enough to make a dent beyond 5PPG or so.
And Dyess is in the running for 6th man of the year.

Total Points 98 against 92

I am looking for Ben to play huge now that we have more depth to back him up. I am looking for Sheed to show that he is a force in this league. I am looking for McDyss to pick up where he left off--he was a monster at the end to guard. I am hoping that Rip gets back to his catch and shoot. I want Tay to get back to his threes and perfect his drives/pull up shots. I am looking for Tay to get back to D with a back-up now. I am expecting Chauncey to be cut loose and become a real force in the NBA. Won't make any predictions on the bench--just cross my fingers. I hope that Evans is the defensive player that we need on the perimeter.

Ben- 9.3
Sheed- 13.8
Rip-19.1
Billups- 18.9
Tay- 15.9
Dyess- 9.8
Arroyo- 6.6
Evans- 6.9
Delfino- 6.1
Darko- 4.8
Davis- 2.3
Hunter- 2.3

I expect our scoring to go up dramatically this season from 93.3 to at least 98ppg. The increase in scoring will have only a marginal effect on defense. We won't allow more than 91ppg, so we should have a much better point differential than last year and not have as many close games.

Just overall number of minutes. A season has 82 x 5 x 48 = 19,680 minutes in it. Plust maybe 6 overtime games which is 6 x 5 x 5 = 150 more, so call it basically 20,000 player minutes for a season.

CB 2340
Rip 2340
Tay 2340
Ben 2340
Sheed 2340
Dyess 1404
Delfino 1200
Arroyo 1200
Darko 1000
Maxiell 750
Evans 750
Davis 700
Acker 700
AJ 600

CB 16 ppg
Rip 19
Tay 14
Ben 9
Sheed 12
Dyess 11
Arroyo 7
Delfino 8
Darko 9 Acker 2
Maxiell 2
Johnson 1
Davis 2
Evans 4

I know that is more than the total number of points they will score, but as someone mentioned, not everybody will play in each game. There will be some injuries, too. We have been extremely lucky the past couple of years.

And I know that everyoe thinks DMC will be much lower but I feel that if he does not play 10-14 mpg and score 9, we should let the boy go and him have himself a career.

Just talking because I, too, am bored.:doh: !!

Is there some kind of stat that you can compare players with, like adding all points, rebounds, steals, blocks, assists, and subtracting turnoevers?
Seems like any combo adding up to 15-20 would be a good contribution if a player could get 25-30 minutes a game.

I think we'll see a revolving door for our kids going/coming from the NBDL... this way they can get regular PT and still be exposed to the NBA.
I can't see any of the rookies getting 20 games of PT unless there's a significant injury.

It's possible Jmax could hit the 20 games if he does well at SF... but I can't see him taking minutes from Dyess or Darko at PF.. I think Darko will be the 3rd option behind Dyess (still mostly backing up the 5)

Lindsey will not retire and will play before Acker (unless injured)

Acker could play if Arroyo or Delfino gets traded...(likely scenario)

I'll give production predictions after the preseason.

Is there some kind of stat that you can compare players with, like adding all points, rebounds, steals, blocks, assists, and subtracting turnoevers?
Seems like any combo adding up to 15-20 would be a good contribution if a player could get 25-30 minutes a game.

Lazy, there's the efficiency rating on NBA.COM (have to select it from the dropdown list).... it covers everything you mentioned plus a couple other things.
It's a much better indicator of true performance vs. points & rebounds.

I'd like to see this stat used more in the future.

-------Points Rebounds Assists
Rip = ---20.5 ----3.5 ----4.5
CB = ---18.75----4.0---- 7.0
Sheed = 13.5---- 8.0---- 3.5
Prince = 12.75 ---8.5---- 5.5
Dyess = 9.5 ----- 8.5---- 1.5
Evans = 8.0-------3.0--- -1.5
Big Ben = 7.5 ---- 9.0---- 2.5
Arroyo = 6.0------ 1.5---- 4.5
Davis = 5.0 ------- 6.5----- .5
Maxiell = 5.0 ----- -5.0-----1.0
Darko = 3.5-------- 3.0 ----1.5
Delfino = 3.5 -------3.0 ---- 2.5

Total Team Points = 100.5
Rebounds = 46
Assists = 24

3 Point FG Made 425
3 Point FG % .385

Wins 62

Final Position = Beat Denver 4 -1 in NBA Finals

Golly, Merc. Ask and ye shall receive.LOL
I will go and take a look at it. I have always thought there are some other things almost as important as points although they do select the game winners by points rather than those other things.

Mercury, on your prediction that the rooks freely go back and forth all season between the Pistons and the Patriots, I am going to predict it does not happen. Instead, Acker will end up beating out Hunter for some sort of regular gig up here in the bigs. Maxiell and Amir Johnson will be in a fight, mostly with each other for minutes. But, that fight will be right here and both players will get enough playing time right here so we don't need to use Fayetteville.

I'll give production predictions after the preseason.
Ditto.

We'll sticky this thread at the end of the preseason once the roster is 90% set.

Now my predictions: EC, who cares.
Hunter, 7 mpg in the playoffs, 4 ppg
Dupree, gone at or near the start of the season
Glynyiadakis, Who?
Carmona, 20 pine needles per game
CB 18 points per game
Rip 18 points per game
Tay 11 points per game
Ben 4 points per game
Sheed 15 points per game
Dyess 9 points per game
Arroyo 5 points per game
Delfino 2500 frequent flier miles
Darko 7
Acker rookies are too hard to figure
Maxiell rookies are too hard to figure
Johnson rookies are too hard to figure
Davis 4
Evans 6

Points in the mirror appear bigger than they are.

lol :laugh:
Glynyiadakis, Who?
Carmona, 20 pine needles per game
Delfino 2500 frequent flier miles

billups 17.8
rip 18.5
tay 17.5
sheed 17.8
ben 9.99999
dyess 8.5
ca 7.5
darko 6.5
moe e 3.5
dd 3.5
hunter 2.5

im only going 10 deep like flip has said he would. other players may get spot points but that is my guess. I had a spread sheet form that had assists and rebounds but it didnt work was just one big mess of numbers

I'll give production predictions after the preseason.

Come on, Mercury, just give your prediction right now. With the editing feature available on Microwave's cool forum, you can simply change your prediction whenever you want. I plan to edit my prediction after every game.

10 minute edit window Bill. That's on purpose so that people can't "revise" their bold statements. Accountability is a female dog.

Accountability is a female dog.

lol, Micro. I like that. I think I have a new quote for my signature.

10 minute edit window Bill. That's on purpose so that people can't "revise" their bold statements. Accountability is a female dog.

I didn't know about the 10-minute edit window. That's a stroke of genius. I take back all of those bad things that lee356.5 said about you!

i thought it was only 5 minutes? Thats what it said when I tried to edit a word I misspelled badly, and I thought you guys wouldn't understand.

Getting waaaaaaaay off topic here, so here is the last word on editing.

I'm on forums all day. Many of them have edit deadlines. I personally like that. You have to be accountable with what you post otherwise you end up with people flip flopping and the ensuing posts may be quoting or referencing text that was removed, breaking the continuity of the discussion.

With the edit-time window and the preview post option when you "Go Advanced", it's a substantial upgrade over the system at the old place.

It was originally 5 minutes. Merc didn't like that so we bumped it to 10. That gives you ten minutes to change or delete your post. I told Merc it was on a trial basis, and it seems to work well so we are staying at 10 minutes.

If you don't think you can edit your post fast enough, copy it, delete it, and repost. Don't stress too much over nitpicking grammatical or spelling errors. Most of us can figure out what you mean.

Now back to the preseason player predictions.........
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I can see Arroyo, Darko, and Delfino doing good along with Maxiell. Arroyo does good on the pick&roll whicb Flip uses a lot. Darko because he's been good LB just didn't play him. Delfino did great last preseason, but after he got injured he couldn't get back into the rotation, but I see him doing good again. Jason Maxiell is beast either he crushes a guy, or they double him, and we move the ball around for an open shot.

Just predictions on which players will play
Now my predictions: Hunter, won't play
Looks like Lee may be right on on this one.

Even though the Det News article doesn't suggest this it would not surprise me if Hunter somehow wound up playing for Brown in N.Y. before the year is out.

http://www.detnews.com/2005/pistons/0510/05/D05-338090.htm

Looks like Lee may be right on on this one.



http://www.detnews.com/2005/pistons/0510/05/D05-338090.htm

Remember the saying:

An infinite amount of monkeys typing for an infinite amount of time will eventually produce all of the collected works of Shakespeare.

Maybe monkey #356.5 did it just right this time. :)

Let's go easy on lee guys. Everyone is entitled to an opinion without being crapped on. lee just generates a lot of opinions.

predictions:

Hunter, won't play
Dupree, won't play
Glynyiadakis, won't play
Carmona, won't play
CB 15 points per game
Rip 13 points per game
Tay 15 points per game
Ben 7 points per game
Sheed 17 points per game
Dyess 8 points per game
Arroyo 4 points per game
Delfino 5 points per game
Evans 8 points per game
Darko 7 points per game
Maxiell 3 points per game
Acker, won't play
Johnson, won't play
Davis, won't play

predictions:

Hunter, won't play
Dupree, won't play
Glynyiadakis, won't play
Carmona, won't play
CB 15 points per game
Rip 13 points per game
Tay 15 points per game
Ben 7 points per game
Sheed 17 points per game
Dyess 8 points per game
Arroyo 4 points per game
Delfino 5 points per game
Evans 8 points per game
Darko 7 points per game
Maxiell 3 points per game
Acker, won't play
Johnson, won't play
Davis, won't play
Are you talking about today's game against Chicago or the whole preseason?

Anyways heres my prediction against the Bulls:
Chauncey:11
Rip:13
Ben:7
Tay:11
Sheed:11
Dice:13
Darko:8
Delfino:7
Arroyo:3, but 6 assists
Evans:7
Maxiell:8

Pistons win:99 to 90

(This is if we don't play our starters a lot. I hope we don't so the bench can get better.)

..actually this post is a prediction for the regular season. lol. check out the rest of the posts on the thread. :)

In that case Rip only having 13ppg what's that about: I'd say rip 20ppg, Chauncey 16ppg, Sheed 17ppg, Tayshaun 16ppg, and Ben 10ppg.

In that case Rip only having 13ppg what's that about: I'd say rip 20ppg, Chauncey 16ppg, Sheed 17ppg, Tayshaun 16ppg, and Ben 10ppg.

you have a point there: I don't know what I was thinking.

I don't think Rip will average 20, since I think he will be the odd man out in the offense this year. Plus, he has never averaged 20 pts a game for the Pistons. I will say 16 points a game for Rip City.

Starters MPG Pts Assts Reb Blcks
1 CB ......32... 22... 7
2 Rip ......30... 18
3 Tay .....34... 12........ 5
4 Sheed ..32... 16........ 6
5 Ben .....30 ....10 .......12....2
Bench
6 Dice .....20... 12........ 6
7 Arroyo ..20.... 6... 5
8 Delfino ..12.... 5 ...4
9 Darko ....20 ...13........ 6 ....2
10 Evans ..10.... 6.... 3.. 4
Warming the bench
11 Davis
12 Acker
IL
13 J Max
14 Dupree
15 Johnson

The Body- 10.1
Roscoe - 16.2
Tay - 13.2
Rip City - 18.0
The Mayor - 18.0
McNice- 8.8
The New Maestro- 7.5
MoTown - 7.5
Top Model - 8.0
DMC - 5.6
D Square - 3.5
Hunter- 4.6
JMax - 6.2
Double A - 3.5
AJ - 1.2

I didn't take into account totalling the roster for an average offensive output per night. This is strictly, per player, per game played.

Umm Umm Umm... just doing points.... like that really matters. lol

Buhdafan & 16& Farm got the right idea...

-------Points Rebounds Assists
Rip = ---20.2----3.5 ---- 4.0
CB = ---18.1----4.0----- 6.0
Sheed = 15.2--- 8.0----- 4.1
Prince = 13.5 ---5.5----- 3.5
Dyess = 8.2 ---- 5.8----- .9
Evans = 8.5------3.2----- .8
B Wall = 10 -----10.5---- 1.5
Arroyo = 7.5----- 1.5---- 3.8
Davis = 4.4 ----- 6.0----- .8
J Max = 5.0 ----- 4.5----- .6
Darko = 5.8 ------ 4.2 ---- .9
Delfino =6.0 ------3.5 ---- 2.3
Amir J. =2.3 ------1.8 ---- .6

Total Team Points = 96.3 (+3.0)
Opponent Points = 93.0 (+3.5)
Rebounds = 42
Opp rebs = 41.6
Assists = 23
Team FG% = 43% (-.1)
Opp. FG % = 43% (+.05)

I'll guess games, then points per game for each player

Acker 30, 2.5

Arroyo 76, 5.5

Billups 78, 15.5

Davis 40, 1.5

Delfino 73, 5.5

Evans 78, 7.5

Hamilton 78, 16.5

Hunter 32, 1.5

Johnson 25, 1.5

Maxiell 55, 3.5

McDyess 75, 8.5

Milicic 74, 5.5

Prince 78, 13.5

Ben Wallace 78, 6.5

Rasheed Wallace 78, 13.5

And they will score 97.3 points per game as a team.

This breaks down into 62.2 points per game contributed by our starting unit of CB, Rip, Prince, Ben, and Sheed.

This leaves 35.1 points per game to be scored by our bench.

Hamilton - 18.1
R.Wallace - 16.7
Billups - 16.4
T.Prince - 14.2
B.Wallace - 9.1
A.McDyess - 8.7
M.Evans - 6.9
C.Arroyo - 6.3
D.Milicic - 5.6
C.Delfino - 4.4
L.Hunter - 3.1
D.Davis - 2.2
J.Maxiell - 2.1
A.Johnson - DNP
A.Acker - DNP