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Pistons At Bucks
November 26, 2005 ~ 9:00pm
The Bradley Center, Milwaukee, WI
TV: Local Only Radio WDFN

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-- Box Score (http://www.nba.com/games/20051126/DETMIL/boxscore.html) --

Flip Saunders - On bouncing back after last night’s loss:
“I thought defensively we were good. They beat us up on the boards early but we were able to bounce back and get stops. I thought our bench also gave us minutes. The thing I was most concerned with tonight was our energy. ”

Chauncey Billups - On defending Michael Redd down the stretch:
“He’s a tough cover. Anytime he gets the ball up he has a chance to make it. I wanted to just try and be physical with him.”Points:(DET) R. Hamilton, 20
(MIL) M. Redd, 23

Rebounds:(DET) B. Wallace, 18
(MIL) J. Magloire, 17
Assists:(DET) C. Billups, 7
(MIL) M. Williams, 4
Blocks:(DET) Two tied, 2
(MIL) J. Magloire, 2
Player of the Game
Chauncey Billups
Points: 17
Assists: 7
FTM-A: 4-4
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Well, I hope that Dale is ready for tonight. With Dyce limping and Sheed playing major, major minutes last night, Dale will be called upon. It is certain that Larry, oops, I mean Flip, will not call upon Darko.

So, Dale, good luck tonight.

I am glad to see they let Carlos Arroyo work through his rough spots as he is certainly a contributor now. He is now a dependable part of the team. Glad to see that he, at least, has gotten his chance, and that he make the most of it.

Tonight will be my last chance to see the Pistons this season on a regular basis as we are on the way to Florida. We just get a few games down there, the Piston games when Miami and Orlando are involved and the ones on national tv.

So I will be depending on you guys for my first hand knowledge. Keep up the good work, guys.

please let us win tonight. milwaukee is on the 2nd game of a back-to-back as well, losing the 1st game...so that should be interesting. all i know is that tj ford has been playing terrible according to my fantasy stats and i've been benching him :P

Ford has not been playing well, but I think he is the kind of player capable of testing the Pistons. Even last year, the Pistons didn't always do a good job of keeping quick pg's out of the paint. That problem still seems to be there this year. Whatever else he may or may not be good for, Lindsay seemed to me to always do a good job with that. I'm not so sure that Chauncey or Carlos can do the same with Ford. Once he's in the paint, Redd sets up for 3s and Bogut and others can get free for easy inside baskets. If our guards can keep Ford in front of them, I think that'll make the rest of the team easier to defend.

please let us win tonight. milwaukee is on the 2nd game of a back-to-back as well, losing the 1st game...so that should be interesting. all i know is that tj ford has been playing terrible according to my fantasy stats and i've been benching him :P
I have TJ as well, and I've noticed that he gets into foul trouble a lot and has fouled out a number of times this season. I think this is the reason for his poor numbers, not necessarily his poor play. In fact he has fouled out of his past 2 games.

chauncey should be able to exploit this area if the game scouts have done their homework.

another interesting match-up will be rip hamilton v andrew bogut (battle of the broken noses). rip will be like, "hey rook, thats only your first, talk to me when that mask becomes permanent."

rotfl:rofl: :roll: :rofl:

I have TJ as well, and I've noticed that he gets into foul trouble a lot and has fouled out a number of times this season. I think this is the reason for his poor numbers, not necessarily his poor play. In fact he has fouled out of his past 2 games.

and luckily i've sat him the past two :) turnovers, fg %, and personal fouls count in our league, which are his drawbacks to live with in return for a lot of assists and steals.

the thing is, the league i play in is kind of jacked - there's only 1 player per position + 1 utility, rotisserie max 82 games...so the bench hardly even matters - and i already have nash at PG, along with terry and hinrich to choose from.

and luckily i've sat him the past two :) turnovers, fg %, and personal fouls count in our league, which are his drawbacks to live with in return for a lot of assists and steals.

the thing is, the league i play in is kind of jacked - there's only 1 player per position + 1 utility, rotisserie max 82 games...so the bench hardly even matters - and i already have nash at PG, along with terry and hinrich to choose from.

fair enough. funny league. since when are personal fouls a stat that matters? :confused:
may as well have a category for how many stitches a guy gets during the season or even how many dunks he makes during warm-ups? :rolleyes:

yah i hadn't played fantasy before so i didn't know what to expect, plus the dude said we had until a specific to set our desired draft order, but then closed it 2 days early and yahoo basically auto-picked half of everyone's teams. oh and technical fouls count too...heh.

TJ Ford and Mo Williams. Who is going to stop them? Who is going to deny penetration?

Rip?
Tay?
CB?
Arroyo?

I doubt it. P's can't defend the paint. This one is a track meet and our track stars played too many minutes last night.

Look for the Pistons to start coming back down to earth followed by some tweaks from Flip.

TJ Ford and Mo Williams. Who is going to stop them? Who is going to deny penetration?

Rip?
Tay?
CB?
Arroyo?

I doubt it. P's can't defend the paint. This one is a track meet and our track stars played too many minutes last night.

Look for the Pistons to start coming back down to earth followed by some tweaks from Flip.

considering it was a 2OT game only 2 starters played more than 39 minutes (Tay, Sheed. albeit in the 50's). most of the bucks starters played high 30's last night as well.

also our bench got some decent run and played well, so thats a positive for tonight. both benches will be needed, so whichever one does best might decide the game.

as for stopping penetration, well thats almost impossible these days with the refs calling it so tight out on the perimeter this season. best to attack fire with fire. give arroyo some run, attack ford (which i mentioned earlier) and put pressure on their interior D.

Well, I hope that Dale is ready for tonight. With Dyce limping and Sheed playing major, major minutes last night, Dale will be called upon. It is certain that Larry, oops, I mean Flip, will not call upon Darko.

So, Dale, good luck tonight.

I am glad to see they let Carlos Arroyo work through his rough spots as he is certainly a contributor now. He is now a dependable part of the team. Glad to see that he, at least, has gotten his chance, and that he make the most of it.

Tonight will be my last chance to see the Pistons this season on a regular basis as we are on the way to Florida. We just get a few games down there, the Piston games when Miami and Orlando are involved and the ones on national tv.

So I will be depending on you guys for my first hand knowledge. Keep up the good work, guys.

We'll get u a goinaway present tonight...pistons go old school...88-83!

I don't care if we give up penetration all night, cause we will still challenge the shots. I just want the guys who are run past to get in there and rebound. We must limit the second chances.

We must win.

Realistically, we must be in every game. Or at least try to be. We're tired, they're tired so let's see who comes up big and gets the win and I'm hoping it's us.

Did I miss something? Why can't Darko play tonight? :nod:

Well, I hope that Dale is ready for tonight. With Dyce limping and Sheed playing major, major minutes last night, Dale will be called upon. It is certain that Larry, oops, I mean Flip, will not call upon Darko.


i think tonight will be the night when darko gets some semi major burn. the bucks will probably not go small and that's the perfect lineup for flip to play darko against. if he doesn't play darko this game then we will be sure that something is up. major minutes for the bigs last game, dice gimpy this is the perfect oppurtunity for darko to get some minutes and show what he has. i'm also hoping jmax gets in there for a little bit of meaningful minutes.

Bill and George make me want to puke. Guys are missing shots and they are calling them Darko blocks. By my count, he has 2, maybe 3. If you listen to the WB announcers, they make it sound like he has 8 blocks already.

Darko's playing very well, but I think when the shot is a miss off the rim, that's not a Darko block...

Quit being a hater. lol

Bill and George make me want to puke. Guys are missing shots and they are calling them Darko blocks. By my count, he has 2, maybe 3. If you listen to the WB announcers, they make it sound like he has 8 blocks already.

Darko's playing very well, but I think when the shot is a miss off the rim, that's not a Darko block...

not a block but definitely an alteration. 3 blocks in 1 quarter is still pretty good. darko is patrolling the paint and the league and definitely the bucks will have to take notice.

darko blew the nice move in the paint but i'm still happy he shot it and had deep position. he's had a pretty good showing in early minutes. as much bad stuff is said about darko i think it's only fair the announcers get behind him a little bit. bill walton made several cracks about darko when he was doing the game just because he doesn't know what type of player darko is now that lb is gone. the league will know soon.

Bill Walton is an idiot.

not a block but definitely an alteration. 3 blocks in 1 quarter is still pretty good. darko is patrolling the paint and the league and definitely the bucks will have to take notice.
I agree, but lets save the "alteration" stuff. It's "special" when DMC does it, Ben does it everytime he faces a shooter.

Darko played very well. Bill and George sounded like lovesick schoolgirls. They couldn't say his name enough times in the broadcast.

Btw...

Antonio McDyess is playing like he's 24 years old again!
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Personally, I believe that if the defensive player's hand touches the ball on a shot causing it to miss, that's a block. By that count Darko had at least 4.

Cleveland just lost at home to Minny. That helps.

Darkos blocks / alterations would mean a heck of a lot more if afterward he would go get the ball. Man, he just stands there admiring his work when the ball is at arms length.

Personally, I believe that if the defensive player's hand touches the ball on a shot causing it to miss, that's a block.
I think the statistician is a Darko hater. He only credited DMC with 2.

2 points + 3 fouls + 3 rebounds in 18 minutes = zero left in the tank. But he does have two blocks.

Now watch him prove me wrong in the second half. :)

The NBA hates darko. He wasn't even listed in the box score at the start of the season...lol

I've noticed that block counts vary considerably depending on whether the team is home or away. The statistician, I believe, is an employee of the home team, and they tend to be a bit more generous toward the team that pays them. I could particularly see that happening in this match-up, since the Bucks would like their young bigman to look good statistically when compared with Darko for PR reasons. You can't really fudge points or rebounds, but on blocks, steals and turnovers there seems to be a lot of "room for interpretation" so to say.

just thought i'd point out 'aussie' is pronounced ozzie, not oss-sie...

tell your friends :gossip:

Are the pistons beginning to be a 3pt Chucking team? Honest question.

Are the pistons beginning to be a 3pt Chucking team? Honest question.

4/9 halfway through the 3rd. not exactly seattle-like numbers. honest response. :P

I agree, but lets save the "alteration" stuff. It's "special" when DMC does it, Ben does it everytime he faces a shooter.

Darko played very well. Bill and George sounded like lovesick schoolgirls. They couldn't say his name enough times in the broadcast.

Btw...

Antonio McDyess is playing like he's 24 years old again!
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they are giving ben just as much props. they are giving him full credit for magloire not scoring. they are saying he isn't scoring because ben is on him. don't worry darko won't overshadow ben.

Dyess!!

The statistician, I believe, is an employee of the home team, and they tend to be a bit more generous toward the team that pays them.

I think you are confusing the NBA with middle school basketball.

Possibly true. The statistician being an employee of the hometeam was something one of the announcers stated in a pre-season game, which may be different.

Once again we blow big lead by letting the other team burn us on the three ball:frusty: . In two of the cases it was on a fast break after we had missed a three or riduculous outside Jay:doh:

Oh no please not the 3-point slaying.Pray that ended with the 3rd and doesn't continue into the 4th.Someone needs to do the flying tomahawk foul on Redd.:hurt:

I am not going to raise alarms just yet, because Flip and Joe are still experimenting with this team, but those big runs in really short periods of time are becoming a trend. Last year we might lose a lead over 5 or 6 minutes because we couldn't score, but so far this year teams are getting these points way too easily.

up 7 or 8 or something, we get sheed on the blocks and he scores

next three times down we shoot long jumpers? i mean especially on the second night of a long back to back.... doesn't seem like the time to count on the outside j being there

right after i post that, chauncey cans a three to end the bucks run and put the stones up 4...i should shut up now.

right after i post that, chauncey cans a three to end the bucks run and put the stones up 4...i should shut up now.

They're shooting too many of them. If you look at tonight and last night, it's too many. They are relying on it.

right after i post that, chauncey cans a three to end the bucks run and put the stones up 4...i should shut up now.

Keep talking, it seemed to work! :laugh:

You have to be encouraged by this win. Coming after a marathon game..Playing on the road. The results were consistent throughout...no early set backs to claw back from.

Far from perfect, but a good win nonetheless.

And the Pistons got more from Sheed than I thought they would. Nice going, Roscoe! And Rip rebounded from a poor night against the Wiz.

That was some old style "D" against one of the best offenses in the league.... one for Flip and the boys...
They put the A.I. rules on TJ... the whole team shadowed him cutting off his driving (and passing) lanes.

Sometimes ya learn some interesting stuff from the other teams broadcast... like we're 27th in FT attempts (too much on the perimiter).... and Chauncey & Arroyo are #1 and #2 in the league for T.O.'s to assists.

We did get hammered on the offensive glass... as Milwaukee is #1 in rebounding.

Very impressive effort coming after a double O.T. game.

We really need to have Darko working in the post if we're gonna improve our paint scoring down the road.

Gutsy job tonite. I really wondered whether the energy would be there. This takes a bit of the sting out of last night's loss.

What a job we've done on the road so far this year.

And the Pistons got more from Sheed than I thought they would. Nice going, Roscoe! And Rip rebounded from a poor night against the Wiz.

Speaking of rebounding, the Pistons really have to improve on that. We're giving up way too many offensive boards especially. That was the difference in OT last night. 10-2 is great, but 11-1 would have been awesome!

Gutsy job tonite. I really wondered whether the energy would be there. This takes a bit of the sting out of last night's loss.

What a job we've done on the road so far this year.

Agreed. I was really worried about a drop off in tonights game. Once we got to the 2nd OT last night I was really hoping for a win because I thought tonights game might be a write off against a quality team. Especially with lightning quick Ford to deal with.

Gutsy job tonite. I really wondered whether the energy would be there. This takes a bit of the sting out of last night's loss.

What a job we've done on the road so far this year.

Is it safe to say they might get complacent at home.... the way they started yesterdays game just walking everything up and no movement... they thought they could throw the Nikes on the floor and pull out a W.
I hope Flip keeps reminding them about the importance of starting strong.... maybe a cattle prod to start the game:P

There is a nice retro type of game some were asking for.

10-2. Best record in the league. Any criticism's at this point got to be tempered with that piece of info right there.

Three games in 4 nights vs. quality opponents. We win two and lose one in double OT. Our only other loss so far this season is against one of the hottest teams in the league this early season. This start is fantastic. 10-2

Darko and Delfino were the first two off the bench tonight. Darko first, and he played with the starters. And the other team did not score for a while. Probably just a coinkeedink, right? Darko's 4 blocks and several shot intimidations probably had nothing to do with it. Besides, he only had two blocks if you believe the very disrespectful Milwaukee scorers.

All our subs were in for just a moment. Just about 2 plays worth, and slowly in come the starters. Flip is saying in his interview right now that Darko had 4 blocks on one posession, so he can't figure how the official scorers came up with their number. Darko also had a tip in on an alley oop, I believe from Sheed. The bench played pretty darn good in this game, but some triples given up to Redd pretty much just made them even for the game. Still, they got some minutes. But enough minutes? The starters pretty much played the whole 4th quarter, and for the back to back played a whole lot of minutes. This is a funny schedule. No game until Wednesday now. We won, and we have All day Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday to rest before playing Wednesday night. Works well enough for me. Darko got 10 minutes of valuable, when the game counts, experience. He even played a bit in the 2nd half of the game. Got to just love what we get rather than complain to much about what might have been.

Evans had a bucket off his dribble, dribbling from up top going left and pulling up. Good to see. Another adventure in ball handling for him ended up in a turn when he drove right and to the basket. I am mad at him for not covering Redd better on that one triple. Might have kept the subs out there longer.

CB hit some long bombs, drove and made free throws. Tay got aggressive in stretches on his O. Rip went back to hitting some shots. Sheed is still being a monster inside, and I am pretty sure that so far this year he is ahead of his career percentage on 3's. Got to check that. Ben just pulled down 18 rebounds and mostly had Magloire totally flabbergasted. The starters as a unit got really serious on their defensive rotations to keep Redd from doing further damage to us down the stretch. Great job of that.

Low scoring game, going to lower our average on defense. Scoring? We scored enough to win. Rip managed to make some points off posting Ford. On one sequence, he drew a double team and assisted Billups on a triple. Tay shot off the dribble three times before he hit one. Great to see him try and add that to his game.

Detroit in general did a vert good job of shutting down any Buck who heated up. And Milwaukee conversely seemed a little too predictable about who they were going to in each play. Good combination for us.

Bogut looked pretty impressive, but what you did not see from him is defense. I would love to see Darko and Bogut go at it for a while. I am betting Darko wins that battle. Just something I will have to look forward to. GO PISTONS!!!!!

I'll agree Darko was active on defense... he's a beast trying to score on in the paint... we all know he can block shots.... now how bout some rebounds...
He's gotta step up his offense... I'd settle for half of the rookies production (Bogut)... maybe even a little Kukoc would be alright at this point.

All the kid needs is a simple hook shot... is that too much to ask for?

(1) I really think the Pistons would have lost tonight if they had pulled out yesterdays game. I think they were not going to let themselves lose two in a row, especially after losing a tough one so they reached down deep and were especially focused. So either way we were going to be 10-2 after tonight.

(2) Obviously, people are free to post whatever they like as long as they aren't personally attacking other posters....excluding Lee, of course. (Just kidding General). But anyhow, it does make me wonder how people can be so critical of a 10-2 team without finding anything positive to note about what they've accomplished.

I'm NOT talking about guys like Micro who would worry if the Pistons were up 104 -72 with two minutes left in the 4th quarter. Micro has good things to say about them (and FLIP) too, but he just can't help himself from worrying.

I'm talking about some of the stuff I've read over the last couple of days. I just picture these people going to a game and sitting on their hands every time the Pistons score, but booing when the visitors score on them. I'm not being critical. I'm just wondering how you can enjoy your teams success or whether you can even recognize it when you see it?

I think 10-2 is about as good as it gets. I think two finals trips (winning one) under Larry Brown was damned good too. I don't have to like Brown to give the guy his due, and I sure enjoyed those seasons even though I always wished it was Carlisle coaching them rather than Brown. I guess that makes me a "slappy" for saying good things about the Pistons last summer even though they lost in 7 games to the Spurs last season under a coach I didn't care for in some ways.

I guess we are all different and that's a good thing, IMO. But while I accept it, it doesn't always necessarily mean that I understand where others are coming from.

I'll agree Darko was active on defense... he's a beast trying to score on in the paint... we all know he can block shots.... now how bout some rebounds...
He's gotta step up his offense... I'd settle for half of the rookies production (Bogut)... maybe even a little Kukoc would be alright at this point.

All the kid needs is a simple hook shot... is that too much to ask for?

Are you kidding? Based on the game report, Darko is well on his way to superstardom. Who needs an unblockable, high-percentage shot down low? :laugh:

I'll agree Darko was active on defense... he's a beast trying to score on in the paint... we all know he can block shots.... now how bout some rebounds...
He's gotta step up his offense... I'd settle for half of the rookies production (Bogut)... maybe even a little Kukoc would be alright at this point.

All the kid needs is a simple hook shot... is that too much to ask for?

if given the same amount of minutes as bogut he'd score just as much as bogut. darko is much more advanced offensively that bogut just doesn't get the minutes and doesn't get his number called as much when he is on offense. he plays within the offense a little too much.

darko did make a great post move the first time he came in the game but he blew the layup. i think what darko needs is more touches on offense when he is expected to score. flip needs to challenge him to be a force on offense and on defense.

I'm really pleased with what Darko is doing. I could care less if he scores a ton of points, just get comfortable on the floor, and intimidate in the paint.

The real problems are at SG & SF! We've got to get Delfino rounded into shape, and Evans better on defense. If those two can get active, maybe our bench can really deliver ala the alternatorz.

But Darko can work on is offense next year, this year, I just want him to defend, and score only when the pooprtunity presents itself. Which should be enough times to net him a 5-8 ppg effort in the second half of the season.

We're just getting started.

Darko's defense is ahead of his offense. Evans can make steals. maybe we are looking at this wrong. The unit's identity should be defense. Lindsey will add to the focus. Whatever they score will be gravy. I agree with the earlier post that if we had won yesterday, we probably would have lost today. The regular season is full of pitfalls. I agree with Lee and am satisfied with 10-2. As long as we can score more than last year, the league will be chasing us because we can play defense when it counts. Our road record is phenomenal so far. We have to keep the starter's minutes down. Tay and Rip are way better offensively with less minutes. We should start to let Davis spell Ben as the season goes on.

i'm surprised no one mentioned the excellent job rip did defending redd today - he stayed in front of his man the whole night. in fact the pistons did a fantastic job of stopping dribble penetration and easy points in the paint.

darko was awesome tonight - shoulda been credited with 3 blocks instead of 2, and he just clowned gadzuric. darko's sneaky with the left hand, makes it easier to get a hand up quickly. chauncey played a solid game but (even though he was wide open) i wasn't too sure about him launching a 3 with an 8-point lead and 1:50 to go in the game, while there were still 15 seconds on the shot clock.

you could tell we were tired as a lot of shots clanged off the front of the rim, but overall a solid effort. i thought we'd see some minutes from davis, but at least darko and delfino got important minutes in the 1st half. 6-1 on the road, pretty shweet.

That's not a bad idea, especially while they're learning where the offense will come from in that second unit.

Having a defensive focus could also take a lot of pressure off the 2nd unit to live up to the old alternatorz's.

I'm not totally sold, but it's still an interesting idea.

I think you are confusing the NBA with middle school basketball.

'Darko Milicic was credited for just two blocks, but he had four in one possession.
"I know one thing, the guy here can't count blocks," Saunders said.' - The Detroit News

We'll get u a goinaway present tonight...pistons go old school...88-83!
HEY, i called this one! Knew we had to go old skool, my bruddahs!!

2 points + 3 fouls + 3 rebounds in 18 minutes = zero left in the tank. But he does have two blocks.

Now watch him prove me wrong in the second half. :)
That's Sheed!:laugh: LOLOL, my bruddah!

Flipper managed the bench nicely in the first half which undoubtedly preserved the starters well enough to git-er-done down the stretch.

I like the pick&roll with Chauncey and Sheed on the wing. It’s really cool watching them work it for alternate back to back treys.

Most important performance of the night was by Arroyo who probably played his best road game of the year. He was solid over a second quarter stretch the length of which is usually reserved for the Palace. The second unit tends to go as he goes.

Why didn’t the Bucks continue to go inside to Bogut. He was making good things happen for them. Must be the result of a young PG.

Sheed is very impressive. I honestly hope there are no KG trade discussions, just to see how this year works out for Sheed. He is meeting every expectation voiced over the summer. Last years version of RW would have picked up a technical during the Bogut offensive outburst. All Sheed did last night was say “gimme the ball “, and proceeded to give some of it back.

Anyone get the feeling that knee to knee hit on Dyess turned out to be another successfully passed psychological test. He was skying last night. Looking more and more like Ben on the shot blocks.

I think the statistician is a Darko hater. He only credited DMC with 2.

I think Flip agrees. At least, in his post game, he could not figure why DMC got only two blocks credited to him. He said that he had four on one play.

I have to agree, Ben alters a lot of shots, too, as does Sheed. Hell, everybody does, but give DMC some credit. He changed the game last night and for sure, had more than two blocks. I stayed up and watched that section again on the tube, and he more than doubled that two blocks. Easily. When the ball changes direction mid-air, and when it does not get out of the shooter's hands because the defender's hand stops it, that, my boy, is called a block :eyebrows: .

First, I agree with everything Lee said. That's a first. :)
Darko was incredible last night and was robbed by the statisticians. His only weaknesses appear to be rebounding and offensive agression, but I'm fine with him just coming in and changing the game defensively for now. Dare I say that Darko set the tone inside defensively tonight. Our starters were allowing wayyyyy too many free passes to the basket until Darko came in altering shots like someone was talking about his momma.
Dice appears to be rounding back into form. It's about time! We missed ya big man.
Arroyo did a great job running the offense last night, but he still remains a liablitity on "D". Am I the only one that notices that every offensive play goes toward Arroyo the moment he enters the game? I'd like to see the second unit trap more to make up for Evans's and Arroyo's shortcomings on the defensive end.
Mo has really shown his value. Again, ball handling and defense against the 3 spot appear to be his only drawbacks. He's just too short. Mo has defended well against shooting guards though. We need Delfino in the game, like Bballj has continuously lobbied for.
Our rebounding has to improve. When the guards help out the bigs on the boards we are a much more effective rebounding unit. Our bigs also need to attack the boards with more intensity early on. For most of the first quarter our team seemed really flat footed. I'm not used to the oppositon getting second opportunities on our first unit regardless of Milwaukee's top offensive rebounding ranking this year.
Bogut looked impressive. What a difference a couple of games make. He took it to the Detroit defense and had reasonable success. Not bad, young fella. Not bad at all.
I can't wait for our rematches against Dallas and Washington!

darko is much more advanced offensively than bogut

I have to disagree. I saw Bogut put some wicked moves (and score) on both Ben and Rasheed. Can't say I've seen anything like that from Darko.

The blocks were very impressive, though. I was out of my seat for a few of those.

I also have to disagree with Darko/Bogut as per bball jay. I posted a week or so ago in the rookie thread that Bogut is very mature, and very tough.

Darko has more upside but Bogut is much further along right now.

Prince -vs- Melo revisited.
Defense -vs- Offense :frusty:



Just one question. Which of you will be WolverineGreat ?
Go ahead boys, let the fur fly. :laugh:

I have to disagree. I saw Bogut put some wicked moves (and score) on both Ben and Rasheed. Can't say I've seen anything like that from Darko.

The blocks were very impressive, though. I was out of my seat for a few of those.

darko's outside game is much better than boguts. also darko can drive better than bogut. darko is also a better passer in my opinion. bogut may have the better post game at this point. i think bogut gets the benefit of being on the court very often and being the focus of the offense so of course you would see him make good moves more often than you would see darko.

i remember the atlanta game that was the one game that darko was aggressive offensively. that's the game that showed me darko was the truth. he was hitting from outside and doing hooks in the post. darko has offensive game i think he just needs a green light. right not he is just letting tay and dice do the scoring.

'Darko Milicic was credited for just two blocks, but he had four in one possession.
"I know one thing, the guy here can't count blocks," Saunders said.' - The Detroit News

I'm not disputing that someone screwed up the block total. My point is that the stat guy is provided by the NBA, not some schmoe hired by the home team.

darko's outside game is much better than boguts. also darko can drive better than bogut. darko is also a better passer in my opinion. bogut may have the better post game at this point. i think bogut gets the benefit of being on the court very often and being the focus of the offense so of course you would see him make good moves more often than you would see darko.

i remember the atlanta game that was the one game that darko was aggressive offensively. that's the game that showed me darko was the truth. he was hitting from outside and doing hooks in the post. darko has offensive game i think he just needs a green light. right not he is just letting tay and dice do the scoring.

Bogut is also 7 months older than Darko.

Its a long season. As it goes on Darko should start bring more things that he has been working on in practice the past 2 seasons onto the court.

Deflino should start getting more time and I would not be surprised to see Maxiel make an impact. Lot of things can and will happen between now and April. You know someone is going to hit somekind of a milestone or whatever.

I'm not disputing that someone screwed up the block total. My point is that the stat guy is provided by the NBA, not some schmoe hired by the home team.

I'm still not entirely clear on the setup, but here's an article for those interested:

http://compuserve.nba.com/celtics/inside/CTS-ScoreTable.html

I'm not disputing that someone screwed up the block total. My point is that the stat guy is provided by the NBA, not some schmoe hired by the home team.

Saunders said "The guy here", which implies the statistician stays at the location. This makes sense; I doubt the league pays for plane tickets to rotate the stats guys. Does the NBA pay the scorekeeper's salary, or does the team? I don't know. Either way, it is a hometown scorekeeper who works every game for the same team. Bias can be expected. I've seen nothing to indicate that the league hires them. The only statistics directly affecting the outcome of the game are score, timeouts and time on the clock. Probably the officials monitor those and no one cares overly about the rest.

Edit: LanierFan, thank you for finding that article. Very interesting read.

I wonder if there is a review process after the game... where they can adjust stats.
In baseball errors get changed on the fly... Hockey routinely changes assists and goals... but you don't hear about the NBA changing final stats (at least I can't recall)

I wonder if there is a review process after the game... where they can adjust stats.
In baseball errors get changed on the fly... Hockey routinely changes assists and goals... but you don't hear about the NBA changing final stats (at least I can't recall)


They really should.

I wonder if there is a review process after the game... where they can adjust stats.
In baseball errors get changed on the fly... Hockey routinely changes assists and goals... but you don't hear about the NBA changing final stats (at least I can't recall)

A team just has to send in a request to the league and ask them to review tape on something.

...I just sold my B&W Tv in 1972 and I am watching the wizard of Oz!!:eyebrows:
Anyway, Flip said today- again- he's gotta keep D&D out there . We'll see...all i want is 12-15 for each...I guess we need an injury, cause our first 6 to 8 are just too good!..my bruddahs!