If the Shock win today they'll go to the WNBA finals. I'm watching them because I can't for the life of me figure out the TV coverage of the Worlds.

Laimbeer is a riot. He's miked up or at least there's a microphone very close. You can hear him motivating the troops. Detroit just got technical fouls for having only four players on the floor. Laimbeer went insane on the referree. He's screaming at the female ref, and violently waving his arms around 2 inches from her face.:laugh:"Four on the floor is not a technical foul.(Repeated three more times at top of lungs!)" Then he goes over to the bench on a time out and tells them "Relax. We got to play through this. We're getting hosed right now." :)

He must be miked. You can hear everything he says. Still riding the refs about the bad calls. "Please get Margo when she pushes into Cheryl's back. She's doing it, she keeps hitting her. You've gotta call it." If I had known I could listen to Laimbeer coach, I would have been watching all these games.:nod: Highly entertaining.

Yeah they Mic him for everygame. I think he is trying to show Mr. Davison that he knows what he is doing as it relates to coaching. if he can scream at the refs and be this hard on the women, just imagine what he'd be saying if it were coaching the Pistons.

If the Shock can maintain their composure and get beyond the Sun's HC and refs, we will finally have a team back in the finals that everyone forgot and buried. Need to take it today though, can't give the Sun another chance tomorrow. Deana Nolan is on fire and should be called MS Bigshot!!!

GO SHOCK:fingerscr

If the Shock win today they'll go to the WNBA finals.

Well they didn't win yesterday but they sure did win today!

The Shock has Pistons DNA! The Shock defense was very very tough on that Connecticut team and it just threw them off their offensive flow and pace. There were some long scoring droughts by Detroit but the excellence of their defensive ferocity tided them through the scoring lullls. Sound familiar?

Yes indeed the Detroit Shock are going to the Finals.:whoo:
Game 1 against Sacramento Monarchs is in Detroit at 7:30 EST on Wednesday, 8/30. :couch2: :pop2:

GO SHOCK! GO BILL LAIMBEER and RICK MAHORN!

Well Aurora Kim, as you can see there is sure a lotta love poured out for the Shock. I am not sure how they will fair vs the Monarchs, but at least the did something that both the Pistons and Red Wings failed to do and that is getinto the finals. Give the credit to Bill Laimbeer who I think could do a better job of coaching the Pistons than Flipper.:pound: IMO of course...Let the debate begin on another thread if the Shock can grab its' second title by weeks end.

GO Shock, show the boys how to do it again:thumb:

Yeah! Shock going back to the Show. Way to go. This team is a beast on the glass.


ESPN.com - WNBA - Detroit blows out Sun to make WNBA Finals (http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/recap?gameId=260827018)

Just saw the game replay on the NBA TY. da girls put a hurtin on the Sun. Their defense looked like the Pistons on 2004-2005. Held them to 18 points in the second half and Tweety was non factor on the offense. :pound:

Yahoo poll shows most people think the Shock will win.

Mr. pessimist (me) agrees. :first:

WNBA on Yahoo! Sports - News, Scores, Standings, Fantasy Games (http://sports.yahoo.com/wnba;_ylt=Al8BHHMslty_xsVB8aaYs0E5nYcB)

The two teams split their two games this season with Shock blowing out the Monarchs by 20 on 7/26 and then the narchs blowin out the Shock by 33 four days later.

The Monarchs are hot right now and had no problems disposing of the Sparks and Comets winning all but one of their playoff games by double digits.

All of the Shock victories were double digit too with the 4th quarter being the turning point in all but the last game.

This one is going the full five games IMO

Go Shock - Give the Motor City another ring.

Time to change the address of the Palace to 5 Championship Drive:first:

The Shock were embarrased on it's home court giving up a finals record 95 points to the Narchs and six threes from the former Shock draftee Kara Lawson.

Swin Cash and Ruth Riley refused to play--Well that's not true, Lams put them out there, but they clearly didn't show-up and the bench followed suit and did nothing either.

Swin was held scoreless for the whole game and Bill was held speechless in the second half -as his open mic was only heard taking pot shots at Cheryl Ford and the teams lack of effort.

Like their Palace mates, the Shock seem to wake up when their backs are up against the wall, so lets hope everybody shows up Friday or we are probably looking at the first sweep in the finals since 2002 and another Detroit team biting the dust in a year when their teams could have won as many a four championships:ohwell:

I wasn't expecting a game like this from the Shock. :ohwell: Seemingly came outta nowhere. Damn.

iM STILL TRYING TO GET SETTLED HERE IN RALEIGH, nC, BUT i GOT A SECOND TO COMMENT ON HE GAME. Oops, cap lock was on. Anyway, I think Laim is 'trying' to get bigger than the team . The team feels like 'he's' the show, and they dont look responsive to him at all. Lot of bickering on the bench and behind the scenes. Sound familiar? monarchs in 4...rats!

iM STILL TRYING TO GET SETTLED HERE IN RALEIGH, nC,
Hey Bro welcome back, was wondering where ya been lately....Is Raleigh the new home base??

Shock use a huge fourth quarter to even this thing up. Detroit outscored the Monarchs 25-9 in the last stanza. Huge games from Deanna Nolan and Katie Smith.


ESPN.com - WNBA - Monarchs collapse late as Shock even series at 1-1 (http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/recap?gameId=260901003)

Catching up on old news...

Seattle Post Intelligencer (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1i-0&fd=R&url=http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/wnba/2031AP_BKL_WNBA_Finals.html&cid=1109013775&ei=il72RISdEc-Sad28uKUE) - Monarchs 95, Shock 71 (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/basketball/nba/wires/08/30/2030.ap.bkl.wnba.finals.2nd.ld.writethru.0867/&cid=1109013775&ei=il72RISdEc-Sad28uKUE)
SI.com - 38 minutes ago
... Other faces in the crowd included Detroit Pistons players Dale Davis and Jason Maxiell and the Los Angeles Lakers' Maurice Evans. ... ...


Monarchs set records, crush Shock in opener (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://www.napavalleyregister.com/articles/2006/08/31/sports/college_and_pro/doc44f676d661688253809560.txt&cid=0&ei=LOv2RLvlH5b4aMynmaQE)
Napa Valley Register, CA - 22 minutes ago
... Other faces in the crowd included Detroit Pistons stars Dale Davis and Jason Maxiell, the Los Angeles Lakers? Maurice Evans. ... ...

Coos Bay World (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0i-0&fd=R&url=http://www.theworldlink.com/articles/2006/08/30/sports/sports03083006.txt&cid=1109013775&ei=Sej3RKbbO8OOaNyd1acE) - Shock aims to rebound (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/15411235.htm&cid=1109013775&ei=Sej3RKbbO8OOaNyd1acE)
Kansas City Star, MO - 54 minutes ago
... Coached by former ?Bad Boy? Detroit Pistons player Bill Laimbeer, the Shock is the kind of team that can go from pouting and finger-pointing one night to ...

Seattle Post Intelligencer - (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1i-0&fd=R&url=http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/wnba/2030AP_BKL_WNBA_Finals.html&cid=1109013775&ei=ZwT4RIW3CabSaNyQxKkE)Ailene Voisin: No Shock: Laimbeer is same (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/14314444p-15222732c.html&cid=1109013775&ei=ZwT4RIW3CabSaNyQxKkE)
Sacramento Bee, USA - 2 hours ago
... More than once, he scuffled with his own Detroit Pistons teammates, most notably the team leader, Isiah Thomas. No one escaped his moods or his elbows. ...

Monarchs notes: Griffith impresses the Pistons' Dumars (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/14314461p-15222729c.html&cid=1109191377&ei=ZwT4RIW3CabSaNyQxKkE)
Sacramento Bee, USA - 2 hours ago
... Furthering the theory that expanding the WNBA fan base is all about exposure comes this little gem from popular Detroit Pistons president Joe Dumars: He ...
(http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/14314461p-15222729c.html&cid=1109191377&ei=ZwT4RIW3CabSaNyQxKkE)

Well it appears that the Shock are heading for elimination now laying a giant egg in Sacramento this afternoon, being blown out by 20 points. Once again Ruth Riley was a no show and the rest of the team other than Deanna Nolan had subpar games.

The Monarchs defense put the clamps on the Shock as once again they churned out almost as many turnovers (23) as they had FG's (24).

Not sure about how many of Riley's family and friends were watching the broadcast, but Laimbeer's mic was in it's usual form criticizing her. At one point he turned Rick Mahorn and asked him to ask Ruth if her "heart was in the game and if she wanted play today". Then another time when Riley was on the floor and she made another mistake, he turned to Mahorn and said "I got no one else to put in, so I have to play her":ohwell:

Looks like this series is over on Wednesday. Riley needs to be traded over the off season.

Well it appears that the Shock are heading for elimination now laying a giant egg in Sacramento this afternoon, being blown out by 20 points. Once again Ruth Riley was a no show and the rest of the team other than Deanna Nolan had subpar games.

The Monarchs defense put the clamps on the Shock as once again they churned out almost as many turnovers (23) as they had FG's (24).

Not sure about how many of Riley's family and friends were watching the broadcast, but Laimbeer's mic was in it's usual form criticizing her. At one point he turned Rick Mahorn and asked him to ask Ruth if her "heart was in the game and if she wanted play today". Then another time when Riley was on the floor and she made another mistake, he turned to Mahorn and said "I got no one else to put in, so I have to play her":ohwell:

Looks like this series is over on Wednesday. Riley needs to be traded over the off season.


I thought the Shock were going to beat them in the series, but after the first game it was pretty clearly not going to happen.

Seems like you watch a lot of Shock games. What do you think of Laimbeer as a coach as far as bringing it to the mens league? How about with the Pistons some day?

Seems like you watch a lot of Shock games. What do you think of Laimbeer as a coach as far as bringing it to the mens league? How about with the Pistons some day?

I am a homer when it relates to Detroit teams, and if I am home and the Shock are on the tube I watch and pull for them, just like I do the Pistons, Wolverines, Spartans, Mercy or EMU hoops teams.

I am one of the few who thinks that Laimbeer would have done a better job than Flip and I think he is still trying to show it with his sideline antics and vocal beratement of both the refs and his players. Still not sure he knows all of the womens' rules, but he should know the NBA rules. He complains a lot and I wonder how many techs he would get with his mouth and former reputation.

I am a homer when it relates to Detroit teams, and if I am home and the Shock are on the tube I watch and pull for them, just like I do the Pistons, Wolverines, Spartans, Mercy or EMU hoops teams.

I am one of the few who thinks that Laimbeer would have done a better job than Flip and I think he is still trying to show it with his sideline antics and vocal beratement of both the refs and his players. Still not sure he knows all of the womens' rules, but he should know the NBA rules. He complains a lot and I wonder how many techs he would get with his mouth and former reputation.

Laimbs would be a good draw at the Palace, too. If the team begins to struggle over the next few seasons, I wouldn't be suprised to see Old Man D bring Laimbs in to keep ticket sales high. :ohwell: Flip isn't flamboyant at all as far as sideline antics. I'm not sure the guy has a pulse half the time.

It`s very difficult to predict how good Laimbeer would be as an NBA coach. A lot of it depends on what team he would coach. Will it be a young team (Atlanta or Golden State) or a team with proven veterans.

One thing is certain in the NBA, the coach must be a motivator. Winning on talent alone does not guarantee a championship. Will Lambieer be able to motivate an NBA player? Sure Lambeer has a couple of rings, however, the style of play that he won them is null and void in today`s NBA.

I am sure someone will give him a chance to coach in the NBA, to me his biggest challenge will be motivating his players. I hope he will be successful when he gets his oppurtunity.

I thought he sounded like a horses arse yesterday... he spent most of his time badgering the refs and attacking his team... "Who the hell do you think you are"... sorry but that won't work in the NBA...
He also seemed lost.... "what do I do"... "what can we do"... Not enough time giving detailed instructions.

I do like the motion in his offense... you don't see anyone standing around.

he spent most of his time badgering the refs and attacking his team... "Who the hell do you think you are"... sorry but that won't work in the NBA...
He also seemed lost.... "what do I do"... "what can we do"... Not enough time giving detailed instructions.



See, I really would love to see Laimbeer coach the club some day, but these are exactly my concerns too. It could be a disaster wating to happen.

It would be exciting to give it a go when and if the time seems right, but on the other hand I hate seeing our ex-heroes fail as coaches and leave Detroit on a sour note.

I don't think Lambs should approach anything differently than he did as a player. Abrasive, aggressive, relentless.

Not sure that he would make a good pro men's coach, and too much yelling just tunes players out.

The one thing Laimbeer has, that he questions in his own team, is competitiveness. That is what made him a great player. He never stopped competing. 2nd place was not good enough.

Hmmm, maybe the "if it ain't rough, it ain't right" crowd COULD learn something from him...

I don't think Lambs should approach anything differently than he did as a player. Abrasive, aggressive, relentless.

The current Pistons crew could use that edge. People on this board say that the new rules of the NBA have hurt the Pistons. But there are always loopholes. Just need to have the right coach to help you find them. Laimbeer cheated with the best of 'em. He could show the boys how it's done. :pound:

The one thing Laimbeer has, that he questions in his own team, is competitiveness. That is what made him a great player. He never stopped competing. 2nd place was not good enough.

Hmmm, maybe the "if it ain't rough, it ain't right" crowd COULD learn something from him...

Exactly.

That`s where the motivation factor comes in. What could Lamb do to motivate an NBA squad to compete as he did? More importantly, will they respond to him?

Maybe in time they would, however, a coach with no NBA experience will not be successful with an abrasive, agressive attitude, IMO.

Worked for Avery Johnson to a degree. It's a matter of balancing the carrot and the whip.

But there are always loopholes. Just need to have the right coach to help you find them. Laimbeer cheated with the best of 'em. He could show the boys how it's done. :pound:

Gazoo, didn't you sit next to me in law school? :pound:

Worked for Avery Johnson to a degree. It's a matter of balancing the carrot and the whip.

Avery started out as an assistant remember, in the process of being groomed for the head coaching position.

I`m not saying it can`t be done, but it would be very difficult.

Gazoo, didn't you sit next to me in law school? :pound:


Hey DT, let's face it, the Bad Boys played dirty and got away with a lot. However, their style of play led to intimidation of other teams. Laimbeer could bring a little of that with him. Besides, I don't think there's much love lost between some of his Shock players and him. I think his days are numbered after this season.

Yeah, I've heard how competitive law school can be. People hiding books and stuff that are supposed to be accessible to everyone. "The Rainmaker" is one of my favorite movies and there are a few snippets about law-school backstabbers in there.

Hey DT, let's face it, the Bad Boys played dirty and got away with a lot. However, their style of play led to intimidation of other teams. Laimbeer could bring a little of that with him. Besides, I don't think there's much love lost between some of his Shock players and him. I think his days are numbered after this season.

Yeah, I've heard how competitive law school can be. People hiding books and stuff that are supposed to be accessible to everyone. "The Rainmaker" is one of my favorite movies and there are a few snippets about law-school backstabbers in there.

I don't want to get off topic, but that's exactly how it was. Most people there would cut your throat in a second. I would always try to help others, but it seemed like almost everyone else had a hidden agenda. Maybe it was because of the damned curve (a set number of people, 20 percent, had to flunk any given class in the first year).

My profs loved me. Believe it or not I was very quiet in class and didn't kiss butt like my peers, but I was older and had integrity (believe it or not) unlike MOST my peers.

:focus: It's a dream, but Laimbeer symbolizes everything our team stands for. Push comes to shove, I'd like to see him coach, but my head tells me it would never work.

It's a dream, but Laimbeer symbolizes everything our team stands for. Push comes to shove, I'd like to see him coach, but my head tells me it would never work.

I don't know, I bet Laimbeer would get more respect from the players than Flip does. Integrity.

I don't know, I bet Laimbeer would get more respect from the players than Flip does. Integrity.

I bet Ben Wallace would have given Laims more respect than he gave Flip. If the team was abandoning it's defensive play and assignments, Bill would be in their face. All Flip did was fold his arms and twitch:pound:

I can see Laimbeer getting frustrated with the ladies after next season. He is already frustrated with Swin and Ruth. Maybe Mr. Davison should him to the Piston coaching ranks as an assistant after next years Shock season.

Monarchs one away from repeat (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article%3FAID%3D/20060904/SPORTS/609040309&cid=1109013775&ei=f4X8RI2JD7CGaZKpmOgD)
Stockton Record, CA - 12 hours ago
... Detroit coach Bill Laimbeer knows a few things about playing defense since he made his name as a key member of the Detroit Pistons' "Bad Boys" teams. ...


Link To Original Article (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article%3FAID%3D/20060904/SPORTS/609040309&cid=1109013775&ei=f4X8RI2JD7CGaZKpmOgD)

Covers ::: (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0i-0&fd=R&url=http://www.covers.com/articles/articles.aspx%3FtheArt%3D89851%26tid%3D26&cid=1109013775&ei=JPr9RKqpMpqGavn1gKcE)WNBA fines Shock coach Laimbeer for criticizing refs (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/news/story%3Fid%3D2574822&cid=1109013775&ei=JPr9RKqpMpqGavn1gKcE)
ESPN - 19 minutes ago
... career. He teamed with Rick Mahorn to form the core of the Detroit Pistons' "Bad Boys" clubs that won championships in 1989 and 1990. ...
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Covers ::: (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0i-0&fd=R&url=http://www.covers.com/articles/articles.aspx%3FtheArt%3D89851%26tid%3D26&cid=1109013775&ei=JPr9RKqpMpqGavn1gKcE)WNBA fines Shock coach Laimbeer for criticizing refs (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/news/story%3Fid%3D2574822&cid=1109013775&ei=JPr9RKqpMpqGavn1gKcE)
ESPN - 19 minutes ago
... career. He teamed with Rick Mahorn to form the core of the Detroit Pistons' "Bad Boys" clubs that won championships in 1989 and 1990. ...

Link To Original Article (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/news/story%3Fid%3D2574822&cid=1109013775&ei=JPr9RKqpMpqGavn1gKcE)I bet in the WNBA offices, they compare Laimbeer to Mark Cuban in terms of yelling at refs.:gun1: Maybe his team will repond now or just say the heck with it, help pay his fine and go out quietly into the offseason :messer:

Meanwhile visions of the Monarchs celebrating:dancingparty:

Maybe I've been wrong in promoting Laimbeer as assistant coach. I just wish Flip had half the passion BL has about the game and pushing the team. Maybe Porter is the happy medium.

Laimbeer toeing line between distraction, motivation (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/columns/story%3Fcolumnist%3Dlieberman_nancy%26id%3D2574989&cid=0&ei=OvD-RMnoGcn2aJOL0YoH)
ESPN - 31 minutes ago
... Laimbeer, part of the Detroit Pistons' "Bad Boys" who won NBA championships in 1989 and 1990, has never been one to bite his tongue, and much of his in-game ...


Link To Original Article (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/columns/story%3Fcolumnist%3Dlieberman_nancy%26id%3D2574989&cid=0&ei=OvD-RMnoGcn2aJOL0YoH)

Laimbeer toeing line between distraction, motivation (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/columns/story%3Fcolumnist%3Dlieberman_nancy%26id%3D2574989&cid=0&ei=OvD-RMnoGcn2aJOL0YoH)
ESPN - 31 minutes ago
... Laimbeer, part of the Detroit Pistons' "Bad Boys" who won NBA championships in 1989 and 1990, has never been one to bite his tongue, and much of his in-game ...


Link To Original Article (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/columns/story%3Fcolumnist%3Dlieberman_nancy%26id%3D2574989&cid=0&ei=OvD-RMnoGcn2aJOL0YoH)

I just finished reading this article on espn and was about to post the link.

Is it just me, or is the writer making a big deal about nothing, regarding his "personal comments" in-game?

But it also means anyone tuned into ESPN2 could have overheard such personal comments as Laimbeer telling his assistants that Shock star Cheryl Ford "brought the attitude tonight," which occurred earlier this postseason. Then, on Sunday in Game 3, Laimbeer said center Ruth Riley was "overmatched." According to the Associated Press, Laimbeer also said guard Deanna Nolan "floated" despite her game-high 22 points, and claimed the Shock "lost our brain at times."

Uh... yeah, so what? I'd hardly call those "personal comments". Definitely nothing worth writing about.

Shock up 43-37 at the half. I just can't figure this team out.

Shock up 43-37 at the half. I just can't figure this team out.

Yeah, I just walked in the door and was happily surprised to find them up by 11 with just over eight minutes to go.:fingerscr

Yeah, I just walked in the door and was happily surprised to find them up by 11 with just over eight minutes to go.:fingerscr

If I read the box score right, the Shock outscored the Monarchs 16-2 in the final stanza and win by 20! A fifth and deciding game is upcoming.

Well it all comes down to which Shock team will show up at the Palace on Saturday. No mic'd comments from Laimbeer as his team silenced the critics as Katie wanted this one more than anybody as they were able to win with Tweety on the bench most of the second half.

The narchs had the champagne chillin:party: and looks like they need to ship it back to Costco. They came out as if they had already won the thing and were celebrating without playing the game.

The Shock played their best game of the series and held the Monarchs to 2 points in the 4th quarter.:p_welldone:

IM SORRY THAT IVE BEEN TOO TIRED TO POST and remove my caps lock. ive worked 50 hrs overtime yhis last two weeks. But I love my Shock and the halftime piece on Tweety was 'too sexy." See yall at the JLA. Nothing beats a road win with your back against the wall.

Well it all comes down to which Shock team will show up at the Palace on Saturday.
I stand corrected on Saturdays venue as it will be held at the Joe instead of the Palace. A road game for the Monarchs for sure but almost like a game on neutral court with the advantage going to Shock there as it relates to "Detroit basketball" fans.

Saturday night predictions


Shock >:dancingparty: Monarchs> :kleenex:

I stand corrected on Saturdays venue as it will be held at the Joe instead of the Palace. A road game for the Monarchs for sure but almost like a game on neutral court with the advantage going to Shock there as it relates to "Detroit basketball" fans.

Saturday night predictions


Shock >:dancingparty: Monarchs> :kleenex:

You would think so...but this team keeps doing what you wouldn't expect. So we expect them to win, so we should expect them to lose. But that means they should win. Right? :ohwell:

The Arco Arena court was quiet and clean, free of any confetti or streamers. The celebratory T-shirts stayed in their boxes and the WNBA championship trophy remained hidden.

Shock 72, Monarchs 52 - WNBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/wnba/news;_ylt=AmpF4SACOODTJMlWUp92HWJ2vrYF?slug=ap-shock-monarchs-wnbafinals&prov=ap&type=lgns)



You have to hate the other team to win a series like this," said Laimbeer, prior to his team's 72-52 win in Game 4. "That is the attitude I am telling them to take. Hating the other team is the natural instinct any time, but you have to take it to the next level in a championship series. All successful championship teams absolutely have to have it."


Shock fired up -- sort of -- by Laimbeer - WNBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/wnba/news?slug=ap-wnbafinalsnotebook&prov=ap&type=lgns)

You gotta love Laimbeer's intensity. Sounds like the chicks aren't really on board though. He's becoming the overbearing Dad in little league.

Shock fired up - sort of - by Laimbeer (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/basketball/nba/wires/09/06/2030.ap.bkl.wnba.finals.notebook.0664/)
SI.com

Laimbeer played 15 seasons for the Detroit Pistons, who were known as the "Bad Boys'' during the team's lengthy run as one of the NBA's elite teams in the ...

You have to hate the other team to win a series like this," said Laimbeer, prior to his team's 72-52 win in Game 4. "That is the attitude I am telling them to take. Hating the other team is the natural instinct any time, but you have to take it to the next level in a championship series. All successful championship teams absolutely have to have it."


It's weird to think of Laimbeer and Jordan being on the same side of anything, but MJ would sure agree with Billy on this one. Laimbeer was blessed with the ability to hate anyone on sight, but I remember that Jordan had to search around sometimes to find some perceived slight on which to build his hatred of the opponent. Something funky happened during both those boys' toilet training.

I wonder though if Isiah could have mustered just a little more hate for Magic during that first championship series in '88 if the Bad Boys would have gotten the three-peat. It was the only one of the three series that was close - one play one way or the other could have given the Pistons three in a row.

Zeke's hatred was fixated on the Celtics. The Pistons barely had time to hate the Lakers when the '88 Finals started.

Laimbeer's an old school competitor. This hug and handshake jazz that goes on now must be abhorrent to him. Today's athletes treat it more like a job than at any time in the past.

It's weird to think of Laimbeer and Jordan being on the same side of anything, but MJ would sure agree with Billy on this one. Laimbeer was blessed with the ability to hate anyone on sight, but I remember that Jordan had to search around sometimes to find some perceived slight on which to build his hatred of the opponent. Something funky happened during both those boys' toilet training.

I wonder though if Isiah could have mustered just a little more hate for Magic during that first championship series in '88 if the Bad Boys would have gotten the three-peat. It was the only one of the three series that was close - one play one way or the other could have given the Pistons three in a row.

Adrian D. and VJ diving for that loose ball and cracking heads was one huge turn. (Apparently, it's the first time Adrian D. dove for a ball in his career,lol). Also the phantom foul on Lambs killed us.

I dunno if Isiah smooching with Magic at center court was a factor. He sure had his nerve complaining about Dumars being buddies with Jordan considering his own relationship with Magic..

MJ attacked what the Pistons were, and that was Isaiah's team. I understand why cavorting with MJ wasn't cool in that locker room.

Joe was a great player, but a secondary piece on the Bad Boys. They did what they done because of the attitude and intensity that Laimbeer and Thomas brought to the team IMHO.

Joe was a great player, but a secondary piece on the Bad Boys. They did what they done because of the attitude and intensity that Laimbeer and Thomas brought to the team IMHO.

this could be roscoe, but i've always wondered if joe's laid back vibe wasn't an integral part of why such combustible and intense personalities as lamb and thomas (not to mention some of the incendiary supporting cast members) could keep the energy focused on hating the correct people. if so, then there'd be an argument for his being a primary piece, albeit a more backstage piece.....just a thought

this could be roscoe, but i've always wondered if joe's laid back vibe wasn't an integral part of why such combustible and intense personalities as lamb and thomas (not to mention some of the incendiary supporting cast members) could keep the energy focused on hating the correct people. if so, then there'd be an argument for his being a primary piece, albeit a more backstage piece.....just a thought

I agree Prof. I remember watching the Pistons and I always took Joe for granted. But now I think he played a much larger role than most of us realize.

Its impressive how Lamb did not blow up the team when they failed for 2 years straight after 03. He tweaked a bit adding veteran guard Katie Smith.

Not sure about Lamb as an NBA coach as he may be too high strung but he could make it as a GM. His handing of the team has been very impressive.

Its impressive how Lamb did not blow up the team when they failed for 2 years straight after 03. He tweaked a bit adding veteran guard Katie Smith.

Not sure about Lamb as an NBA coach as he may be too high strung but he could make it as a GM. His handing of the team has been very impressive.

You're right, Max. I was mad that the team wasn't changed a bit more drastically, but I was wrong. Laimbs thinks defense and rebounding wins. More often than not, it does.

You're right, Max. I was mad that the team wasn't changed a bit more drastically, but I was wrong. Laimbs thinks defense and rebounding wins. More often than not, it does.

I have not followed them too much but the team seems basically the same as in 03.

They are getting a lot less production from Cash and Riley but some of the other players like Nolan and Ford have improved. Not sure if Pierson was on the team before but she seems to be playing good off the bench.

There were some changes. If Dumars was the GM he would have traded 3/4 of the team by now.

To me it seems like a team based around the big 3 of Nolan, Ford and Smith. Kind of a talent drop-off after them.

Chat open for game 5, so members of this forum can celebrate together?:winner_first_h4h: :p_welldone:
What time is the game anyway?

Chat is down, but if a handful of people want it, I will have it online in time for the tip tomorrow.

3:30 PM Eastern

Shock did something the Pistons couldn't do against the Spurs a year or so ago: Hold onto a fourth-quarter lead. Laimbeer's a winner, flat out. Sign him up Joe D.

Looks like Joe Louis Arena brought some good karma.

Memo to Sacramento: Don't mess with the D. :winner_first_h4h: The D is not to be trifled with.

Shock did something the Pistons couldn't do against the Spurs a year or so ago: Hold onto a fourth-quarter lead. Laimbeer's a winner, flat out. Sign him up Joe D.

Looks like Joe Louis Arena brought some good karma.

Memo to Sacramento: Don't mess with the D. :winner_first_h4h: The D is not to be trifled with.

Oh, what with ducking giant skillets and all, I'd totally forgotten they were to play tonight.


CONGRATULATIONS to the SHOCK! That's just great. I'm very happy for Bill and the gals. It seemed lost a few days ago. Well done! (Lately, I hate the words "well done"...wonder why)?

Bill L. = winner.

Shock did something the Pistons couldn't do against the Spurs a year or so ago: Hold onto a fourth-quarter lead. Laimbeer's a winner, flat out. Sign him up Joe D.

Looks like Joe Louis Arena brought some good karma.

Memo to Sacramento: Don't mess with the D. :winner_first_h4h: The D is not to be trifled with.

Definitely Laimbeer got more out of his team than the underachieving Flip's Pistons. If Flip fails next season, look for Laims to move into the Pistons HC job.
Good Job Shock :winner_first_h4h:and Tweety the MVP :first:

Well, CONGRATS GIRLS! Nice surprise, in that Red Wings and Pistons had best record and lost.

The Shock proved again that they are champions. They never gave up, being down two games to one, and they fought to win the championship.
Way to go Shock!

Great job by the Shock and Lambieer. Let us not get carried away folks, I believe Lambs will get his chance as an NBA coach but IMO he should start at the Asst HC position.

The NBA is not the WNBA!!!

Most NBA players will not give a flying fish about what he did in the WNBA, and others may not take to his rant and raving style if he chooses that approach. He does deserve a chance and I hope he succeeds.

The Shock proved again that they are champions. They never gave up, being down two games to one, and they fought to win the championship.
Way to go Shock!

Pistons -- and Flip -- should take note. I'm sure they won't as the WNBA doesn't get its fair due, but there are lessons to be learned here.

You gotta give to Laimbeer some credit here as he has not only got the Shock to the finals twice but won them both. Larry Brown was able to get the Pistons to the finals twice but failed in his second try in getting the ring.

Flip has gotten two teams to the conference finals in the Twolves and Pistons, but has failed to deliver beyond that.

If you heard Bill Davison's post game comments when accepting the trophy, :first: he told Bill Laimbeer at the beginning of the season that part of his job description was accepting trophies and he is glad he got the hint"

Hopefully he tells Flip that at the beginning of the Pistons season and he, Joe, Tom Hammon and the Pistons players got the message and hint. :stirthepot:

Laimbeer was able to motivate his players into knocking off the #1 seeded team in the Sun and the defending champs in the Monarchs. They overcame a opening game blowout that took away the HCA, and was able to overcome another blowout loss in game 3 and survive to elimination games to win. Remember this is team that has talent bus plays uninspired ball sometimes like their palace mates and loses concentration.

Right now davison has Lams under contract. Lets just hope he doesn't let him escape to another NBA team in the next couple of years because we are not sure if he can coach men:lame: If Flip, filps out this season, promote Porter and move Lams up to the assistant corps


:dancingparty: The Shock invited 19,000 fans to the Joe and they are still partying in downtown motown:cheers:

Right now davison has Lams under contract. Lets just hope he doesn't let him escape to another NBA team in the next couple of years because we are not sure if he can coach men:lame: If Flip, filps out this season, promote Porter and move Lams up to the assistant corps



Laims certainly knows the game of basketball. I don't think his understanding of the game is an issue. He now has more championships at the pro level than Larry Brown, so I don't think experience is really an issue.

As far as the arguement about motivating men vs. motivating women? If you think that it's easier to motivate women, than you must not know any. :rolleyes:

If Flip flops, bring on Bill!

As far as the arguement about motivating men vs. motivating women? If you think that it's easier to motivate women, than you must not know any. :rolleyes:


Yessir! No truer words can ever be spoken.

As far as the arguement about motivating men vs. motivating women? If you think that it's easier to motivate women, than you must not know any. :rolleyes:



Depends on what the motivation is for...............:wink:

Laims certainly knows the game of basketball. I don't think his understanding of the game is an issue. He now has more championships at the pro level than Larry Brown, so I don't think experience is really an issue.

As far as the arguement about motivating men vs. motivating women? If you think that it's easier to motivate women, than you must not know any. :rolleyes::bs:

If Flip flops, bring on Bill! I am one of the believers that Lams CAN motivate the guys. I am sure the current Pistons players have been around long enough to know that Bill means businees and he has 3 more rings than any of them. :)

Joe and Mr. D probably won't bring in LAMS midseason if Flip flops, but an early exit next May could have mean LAMS moves to the main locker room in the fall of 07.

As far as motivating women,:director: I have four that work for me and they move and get their jobs done much faster that the 11 guys I manage.

I think Lamb has been more successful as GM of the Shock than Coach. He does them both. He assembled a lot of talent and had a hard time getting the most out of it.

Guess he knew what he had and what he was trying to do. Shock were sub .500 last year and came back with essentially the same team to win this title.

I think Lamb has been more successful as GM of the Shock than Coach. He does them both. He assembled a lot of talent and had a hard time getting the most out of it.

Guess he knew what he had and what he was trying to do. Shock were sub .500 last year and came back with essentially the same team to win this title.

The Shock had injury problems last year...obviously they seriously affected the team.

Hey! Here's an idea...how about if BillD swaps his two coaches?
:eyebrows: :tape:

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE SHOCK!!! :)

The Shock had injury problems last year...obviously they seriously affected the team.

Hey! Here's an idea...how about if BillD swaps his two coaches?
:eyebrows: :tape:

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE SHOCK!!! :)

I did not follow them much last year.

swap coaches? Only if Mahorn was part of the deal. I highly doubt anyone would refuse to re-enter games then.

Seriously though. Porter was not a coach until someone gave him a chance. How do we know that Lamb or Mahorn could not handle it unless they were also given a chance.

Only if Mahorn was part of the deal. I highly doubt anyone would refuse to re-enter games then.

Seriously though. Porter was not a coach until someone gave him a chance. How do we know that Lamb or Mahorn could not handle it unless they were also given a chance.

You're preachin to the choir here...I've wanted Laimbeer & Mahorn since LB got axed. My guess is Joe didn't wanna take that chance with the starting cast he had. I also believe that had Laimbeer been brought on a year ago, we might have made it to the Finals and Ben would still be here. We'll never know :ohwell: .

horray for the SHOCK!!! and Laimbeer too. Play to win! hopefully the Pistons can look at them and feed off of that. :king:

Wow, I know you guys love Lambieer, and so do I. He is all that Piston basketball stands for; hard work, dedication, committed to winning, you name it.

But what makes everyone think he can come into the NBA and be successful immediately? What NBA coach (with no NBA experience) has ever done that? Not saying it hasn`t been done, just curious.

I love Lambieer and I want him to become an NBA coach, however, we should be careful with our expectations, until he has a chance...

Congrats to Bill and the Shock.

I'm not sure it would be fair on Laimbeer to bring him straight into the head coach position. Imagine the pressure he would face. I think if it was going to happen he should have a season as an assistant at least to get used to to everything, then if there was a position open, look at giving him the reigns.

I have to say, I like the idea of having a few of tough, savvy ex-players and winners in the piston staff, namely Porter, Laimbeer and Harper.

Wow, I know you guys love Lambieer, and so do I. He is all that Piston basketball stands for; hard work, dedication, committed to winning, you name it.

But what makes everyone think he can come into the NBA and be successful immediately? What NBA coach (with no NBA experience) has ever done that? Not saying it hasn`t been done, just curious.

I love Lambieer and I want him to become an NBA coach, however, we should be careful with our expectations, until he has a chance...

Given the D mentality the Pistons are renowned for and Laimbeer's emphasis on D...who do you think is a better fit?...BL or Flip? BL will get his chance...hopefully it's with the Pistons.

Wow, I know you guys love Lambieer, and so do I. He is all that Piston basketball stands for; hard work, dedication, committed to winning, you name it.

But what makes everyone think he can come into the NBA and be successful immediately? What NBA coach (with no NBA experience) has ever done that? Not saying it hasn`t been done, just curious.

I love Lambieer and I want him to become an NBA coach, however, we should be careful with our expectations, until he has a chance...

Its risky. At least Lamb and Mahorn get along with Davison which is half the battle right there as a Piston head coach.

Dlev, I'm with you. Laimbeer has shown he's a good coach and GM in the WNBA. It's a big step up to the NBA.

I would rather he keep winning titles with the Shock, than getting "Trammel'd" out of town as the Pistons coach.

He may be the right man if Joe goes with a youth movement, and starts rebuilding after this season.

Given the D mentality the Pistons are renowned for and Laimbeer's emphasis on D...who do you think is a better fit?...BL or Flip? BL will get his chance...hopefully it's with the Pistons.

Yes, Lambieer does have an emphasis on D, the question is; will the current Piston roster buy into Lambieer`s system? Will they respond to his coaching personality and respect him as an NBA coach despite his WNBA coaching achievements???

I have my doubts about either as head coach at the present time...:(

Dlev, I'm with you. Laimbeer has shown he's a good coach and GM in the WNBA. It's a big step up to the NBA.

I would rather he keep winning titles with the Shock, than getting "Trammel'd" out of town as the Pistons coach.

He may be the right man if Joe goes with a youth movement, and starts rebuilding after this season.

I don't think the Trammel comparison is fair. Laimbeer's head coached a professional team to 2 championships in 4 years. I don't think the step up to the NBA for him is as big as you might think, when you consider his NBA playing experiences (a tough exit in the ECF against the Celtics on a bad inbound and then 2 championships to follow) and being coached by Daly.

I think Laimbeer has far more coaching ability and knowledge of the NBA than my Sparty brethren Skiles...who is doing a pretty good job with the Bulls. The whole 'no NBA coaching experience' thing doesn't sit well with me. Laimbeer is a guy that has played & won, then coached professionally and won.

To me, putting Laimbeer in the head coaches seat is a no-brainer...and Mahorn otta be next to him...those guys have worked championships together...both playing & coaching.

I think Laimbeer has far more coaching ability and knowledge of the NBA than my Sparty brethren Skiles...who is doing a pretty good job with the Bulls. The whole 'no NBA coaching experience' thing doesn't sit well with me. Laimbeer is a guy that has played & won, then coached professionally and won.

To me, putting Laimbeer in the head coaches seat is a no-brainer...and Mahorn otta be next to him...those guys have worked championships together...both playing & coaching.

If the NBA no coaching experience is a no brainer, please tell me who had a successful run doing it with no experience.......The Scott Skiles example is a good reference to an earlier post of mine; that an assistant head coaching position is a better fit for Lambs right now. Skiles got his career off as an assistant with Phoenix before becoming a head coach.

If winning, and being coached by a legendery head coach is a lock on becomimg a winner, then Magic Johnson should have been one of the better head coaches in NBA history, and I could name many more........

If winning, and being coached by a legendery head coach is a lock on becomimg a winner, then Magic Johnson should have been one of the better head coaches in NBA history, and I could name many more........

I'm not saying BL would be a lock...just that he has the record & intensity to develop a winner. Magic could play...but couldn't coach...he's too laid back.

Do you feel better about Flip at the helm? What?...10+ years of head coaching mediocrity? AND driving the face of the franchise to leave?

Completely agree with Dlev... the assistants role would be the natural progression for Laim.
The first thing he would have to adjust to is how players run the league not coaches...
His comments like "Who the hell do you think you are... go sit down" would instantly put him on the mutiny list.
We know that "politically correct" is not in Laim's vocabulary.

Do you feel better about Flip at the helm? What?...10+ years of head coaching mediocrity? AND driving the face of the franchise to leave?

As mentioned earlier I have my doubts about Flip or Lambieer coaching this current Piston squad..............A championship produced:drama: by either this year would be nothing short of a sports phenomenon!!!!!!!!!

Do you feel better about Flip at the helm? What?...10+ years of head coaching mediocrity? AND driving the face of the franchise to leave?

Flip won two CBA championships in the early 90's and Laimbeer won two WNBA titles in the last 4 years. Based on recent history, I put more faith in Bill than Flip in getting the Pistons back to basics. (defense and toughness). Bill has the original Pistons Bad Boy DNA and even though he is gaining his coaching experience at the expense of the ladies, he is still close enough to the Pistons org and current players to know what's in their heads and probably knew more about the squad last summer then Flip did when he took over.

I still say if Flip flops hand it to Bill & Mahorn. Davison drove Isiah out and he screwed up trying to prove to everyone that he can be a s good as Joe. At least reward Laims . Mr. D loves trophies. He has six of them and Laims has contributed to four of them.:thumb[1]: