Michigan won 27-7 against Vanderbilt. Hart was the main story rushing for 146 yards. Henne was 10-of-22 for 135 yards with two TDs. Mario Manningham and Ecker both had touchdowns.

Michigan state won 27-17 against Idaho. Stanton had a good game with 225 yards and a touchdown. Ringer had 16 carries for 70 yards with a touchdown.

Overall, both teams did pretty well (for the first game of the season)

Michigan won 27-7 against Vanderbilt. Hart was the main story rushing for 146 yards. Henne was 10-of-22 for 135 yards with two TDs. Mario Manningham and Ecker both had touchdowns.

Michigan state won 27-17 against Idaho. Stanton had a good game with 225 yards and a touchdown. Ringer had 16 carries for 70 yards with a touchdown.

Overall, both teams did pretty well (for the first game of the season)

I'll take the MSU win, but I don't think they played very well, unless Idaho is better than expected.

Looks like MSU can pretty much score at will, but the defense looked lousy to me. Lots of missed tackles.

I was fine with Smith going for the TD instead of the field goal, but I would have called a timeout.

MSU got ripped on that call where they said Trannon bobbled it. That almost turned the game around.

U of M winning...oh well. Can't have everything, I guess.

Idaho's lost lost 47 of 58 games since 2000. They have a good coach though, Dennis Erickson. He's won national championships at Miami and 40 games as an NFL coach. And Idaho may compete for the WAC championship this year.

Mario Manningham and Ecker both had touchdowns.

Tyler's been a student of mine in a couple of classes. He's a terrific, intelligent, very caring young man. He's a Spanish major with a close to 4.0 gpa. A coupla summers ago he did an independent study with a colleague of mine where he just went into Detroit and started interviewing Latinos to try to get a sense of their lives, their needs, the role that culture plays in them. He came up with the idea on his own, sought out the professor to supervise his work and then carried it through. All of that would already make him stand out among the regular crowd of students, but that he's doing that amidst the year-round schedule that the football team has was pretty impressive to me.

Arriving about 10 minutes late for my class one morning in the Spring, he explained that it can be pretty hard to balance studies with the demands of the coaches. And he mentioned one assistant coach who used to give a speech in which he'd go: "remember, academics first [holding up two fingers] and athletics second [holding up one finger]."

interesting to get that perspective on the pressures of big time football.

anyway, i don't care too much about um football, but i'm real glad that he had a nice TD catch today. he's a good kid.

Arriving about 10 minutes late for my class one morning in the Spring, he explained that it can be pretty hard to balance studies with the demands of the coaches. And he mentioned one assistant coach who used to give a speech in which he'd go: "remember, academics first [holding up two fingers] and athletics second [holding up one finger]."

That's a great insider story. I can't say I'm surprised. I imagine a player would get some raised eyebrows if they asked a coach to leave practice early "to get to class."

A UConn basketball player came into my office the other day talking about how she needed "to take a class" in my department and asked me, "Are you the head of the department?" I laughed aloud because I'm just a PhD student at this point, but the student-athlete did not know what class she wanted to take and didn't seem to care. She just wanted her paperwork filled out so she could get back to the court and practice that hook shot. I always laugh when I hear the phrase "student-athlete." I'm sure many want to be students, but the NCAA and the coaching staffs won't let 'em.

That's a great insider story. I can't say I'm surprised. I imagine a player would get some raised eyebrows if they asked a coach to leave practice early "to get to class."

yeah, some of tyler's stories were really eye-opening for me. i began to get the impression that big-time college athletics are really organized not for people like Tyler (i.e. with above average, even possibly Pro-level skills, who still want a good education and see professional sports as a kind of way station to what they really want to do with their lives after their pro careers are over -- in tyler's case teaching), but rather for those who naively "abuse" or at least exploit the system even as the system is abusing them in far more damaging ways.

i don't really have a good overview kind of perspective on the issue, and i don't think it's my place to go into more details, but listening to him i was very clearly struck by the fact that this kid was going to make good DESPITE the structures, people etc. that supposedly exist IN ORDER TO to help him to succeed in school and in sports.

Michigan won 27-7 against Vanderbilt. Hart was the main story rushing for 146 yards. Henne was 10-of-22 for 135 yards with two TDs. Mario Manningham and Ecker both had touchdowns.

Michigan looked good defensively, but that offense was inconsistent and they will have to play better than that to beat the Irish or any Big 10 team when conference play starts. There were a lot of drop passes-some to blame on the receivers and some to blame on Henne.

Carr and his offensive coordinator need to open the passing a little bit more as the only down the middle pass that I recall was the the TD to Ecker and I only recall seeing two more that were longer than 25 yards and one of those was ruled a no catch due to an error by the replay officials. thes short passes to Breaston and Hart are predicatable and the Irish defense will eat them up in a couple of weeks. 31 carries by "Mike "I never fumble" Hart seem a little much too.

U of M winning...oh well. Can't have everything, I guess.

Darth, I find your avatar insulting.

:ban:

Darth, I find your avatar insulting.

:ban:

Try to get used to it. You'll be wearing it for 24 hours when we beat you in Ann Arbor this year.:laugh:

MSU rocks

Try to get used to it. You'll be wearing it for 24 hours when we beat you in Ann Arbor this year.:laugh:

MSU rocks

So if your guys win, does that mean that you'll go running through the streets of Idaho flipping cars over and setting dumpsters on fire?

So if your guys win, does that mean that you'll go running through the streets of Idaho flipping cars over and setting dumpsters on fire?

In Idaho, we call it stagecoach tipping and there are very large penalties for horse burning in this state.

Both the Wolverines and Spartans win again, now 2-0. Miichigan won 41-17. Michigan State won 52-20. I'm looking forward to next week, Michigan vs. Notre Dame...

Both the Wolverines and Spartans win again, now 2-0. Miichigan won 41-17. Michigan State won 52-20. I'm looking forward to next week, Michigan vs. Notre Dame...


I don't think I'll watch Notre Dame-UM. I know I'm in for a big disappointment. Hope I'm wrong, of course.

I don't think I'll watch Notre Dame-UM. I know I'm in for a big disappointment. Hope I'm wrong, of course.

When MSU plays Notre Dame, I cheer for the Irish. (That is just an example of the deepness of my dislike.)

I assume you cheer for the Irish when they play U of M?

When MSU plays Notre Dame, I cheer for the Irish. (That is just an example of the deepness of my dislike.)

I assume you cheer for the Irish when they play U of M?

Yes, of course...even tho my daughter attends UM now and has student season tickets. Old rivalries never go away :)

When MSU plays Notre Dame, I cheer for the Irish. (That is just an example of the deepness of my dislike.)

I assume you cheer for the Irish when they play U of M?

Who were you talking to, me or DT? I cheer for UM and MSU. I didn't attend either school and grew up in Michigan. Like 'em both. I said I was worried about a big disappointment in South Bend because Lloyd Carr is Sub Par. He gets outcoached in big games. Tressell owns him. If Notre Dame wins this season, Weiss will start to own him. Why UM's AD can't see this, I don't know why. It's plain as day.

I was worried about a big disappointment in South Bend because Lloyd Carr is Sub Par. He gets outcoached in big games.

I got ya now. I thought you were an anti U of M-er who cheered for the Irish when the time was right.

Who were you talking to, me or DT? I cheer for UM and MSU. I didn't attend either school and grew up in Michigan. Like 'em both. I said I was worried about a big disappointment in South Bend because Lloyd Carr is Sub Par. He gets outcoached in big games. Tressell owns him. If Notre Dame wins this season, Weiss will start to own him. Why UM's AD can't see this, I don't know why. It's plain as day.

If Michigan loses both games to the Irish and the Buckeyes, and a Bowl game later if they get there, this should be Mr.Carr's last season in the big house:wave: :rip:

I will be in front of the tube on Saturday with "M" shirt on hoping,:nailbiting: praying, :pray: and crying:Cry: for Wolverine victory over the Irish as I still think the media over hypes them.

I got ya now. I thought you were an anti U of M-er who cheered for the Irish when the time was right.

Nope. The three teams I hate the most:

1. Ohio State
2. Notre Dame
3. Nebraska

Nope. The three teams I hate the most:

1. Ohio State
2. Notre Dame
3. Nebraska

Got no problem with Nebraska, but Notre Dame would be the number 1 hated on my list and then The OHIO State University.

For NCAA basketball it would be
1)Duke :nerner:
2)Duke
3)North Carolina
4)Kansas

Got no problem with Nebraska, but Notre Dame would be the number 1 hated on my list and then The OHIO State University.

For NCAA basketball it would be
1)Duke :nerner:
2)Duke
3)North Carolina
4)Kansas

No UConn on this list? :)

Moved to football forum.

No UConn on this list? :)

The UConn women would be at the top of my list.

The Men's team along with Kentucky would probably be 9 and 10, some other teams in the middle.

EARLY SCORE (1st Quarter):

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and unfortunately, Michigan state already won...

Looks like Michigan is going to roll, they're up 42-21 in the 4th Quarter... Big win for Michigan!

and the Fighting Irish got what they deserve, a loss, and no #2 rating anymore!

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Congrats to the Wolverines for laying an absolute BEATDOWN on the Irish in South Bend! ND for the national title, Quinn for the Heisman...NOT!

:djparty:

Congrats to the Wolverines for laying an absolute BEATDOWN on the Irish in South Bend! ND for the national title, Quinn for the Heisman...NOT!

:djparty:

dang, michigan looked incredibly hungry and quick from start to finish today. there's a lesson for the pistons if they saw the game. humiliating losses and overall record last year. come back and quietly but firmly kick some azz...

and you can really see the speed and conditioning on the defense. also good to see henne looking confident again and airing it out, especially after that first pick.

woodley's fumble return was absolutely priceless!

I'm surprised the Sparty fans are not in here. How did the "B" team make out today anyways?

I'm trying to imagine Stanton in UM's offense. I like that. I feel sorta bad for MSU next week. The Irish are gonna be pissed after turning the ball over five times and getting thumped by UM. I think UM played great defensively. Forced five turnovers in their crib. Nice. Glad MSU shrugged off early struggles to beat up on Pitt. Both Michigan teams are 3-0.

I'm surprised the Sparty fans are not in here. How did the "B" team make out today anyways?

LOL. Alright. I'll take the bait. :fishing:


Well, your true colors and allegiences just came out.

I'm kinda glad U of M won. Now I don't have to listen to the whining and crying about why U of M lost. Always the same thing:

(1) The refs cheated us.

(2) The coaching sucked.

Seriously, the main thing I don't like about U of M is how they always claim how the MSU game matters nothing to them. That's a bold faced lie and we all know it. Just more of that arrogance act. When they lose they accuse MSU of cheating or claim they didn't try.

Anyhow,we all know if they played a real team like Oklahoma, Texas, Miami or USC in a bowl game or regular season game (I don't know how those teams are doing this year but you get my point) Michigan would get a butt kicking. They can mess with MSU but it's not like anyone other than OSU or U of M is any good at football in the Big Ten anyhow most years.

U of M is overrated every year. They will win a few games and maybe lose to OSU and for sure lose their bowl game. They are a top 20 team. Nothing more. Notre Dame is pretty good but it's not like Notre Dame was as good as their ranking.

Notre Dame did not look like a top 15 team today. Their secondary defense was suspect, the ground defense looked spotty and if not for a an interception, a conservative Prevent D staged by the coaching staff at the end of the half it could have been 34-0 at the half.

The only score they frightened Irish got in the second half was the result of three BS:bs: calls that helped them down the field and eventually into the endzone early in the 4th quarter.

Lets hope that MSU beats up the Irish nest week and puts an end to the Brady Quinn for Heisman hype:puke:

Meanwhile, maybe Michigan has a decent year now that they have gotten over this hump.

U of M is overrated every year. They will win a few games and maybe lose to OSU and for sure lose their bowl game. They are a top 20 team. Nothing more. Notre Dame is pretty good but it's not like Notre Dame was as good as their ranking.

UM is overrated every year, but I think that's more of a problem with the national media than with UM fans overrating them.

Lets hope that MSU beats up the Irish nest week and puts an end to the Brady Quinn for Heisman hype.



Stanton should be licking his chops after seeing what UM's O did against the Irish. Either that, or MSU is in big trouble as the Irish seeks revenge for how the Spartans have dominated them over the recent years.

UM is overrated every year, but I think that's more of a problem with the national media than with UM fans overrating them.

Given the way U of M fans complain about the Wolverines performance year in and year out I think the media isn't the only one with expectations set too high.

Stanton should be licking his chops after seeing what UM's O did against the Irish. Either that, or MSU is in big trouble as the Irish seeks revenge for how the Spartans have dominated them over the recent years.

MSU usually beats the Irish.

I honestly fully expect MSU to fall flat on their faces this year. But I'll be hoping.

I honestly fully expect MSU to fall flat on their faces this year. But I'll be hoping.

Obviously, Notre Lame is beatable. MSU can beat them. I expect a close Vegas line on this one.

The wolverines won 27-13 over Wisconsin. The Michigan State game is currently in progress. Its the 3rd quarter with the Spartans winning 31-21.

37-21. Good thing that kickoff return was called back.

But it ain't over.

The bad weather should help.

John L. must recruit speed as this Spartan team is fast. The MSU offense is so much more fun to watch than the plodding, conservative UM crap that Lloyd puts out every year.

I hope MSU can keep up its momentum this season. They have Ohio State in East Lansing this season and I'd love to see them win that one. Problem is the Spartans always seem to implode in the middle of the season. With Michigan on Oct. 7 and the Buckeyes the week after, that is tough scheduling for the Spartans. And they get so worked up for the Michigan game that I suspect a letdown against Ohio State might happen. That being said, I think the Sparties can definitely beat the Wolvies this season, but the Wolvies defense is much better this season. Stanton could be running for his life in Ann Arbor.

Would love to see MSU get worked up for more than just the Notre Dame and Michigan games every season.

MSU has to get fired up for the Michigan and Notre Dame games. Their season is usually pretty much over by the mid way point of the season. I mean, when is the last time they won the Big Ten?

But seriously, either Notre Dame was WAY over-ranked, or MSU was WAY under-ranked.

And U of M's offense may be predictable, and conservative, and run based, ball control, and all of that.. but when it is working, it is beautiful. And when it's not working, it doesn't kill them. On the other the hand, a big, high flying, run and chuck offense, creates, big exciting plays when it's working, and sloppy turnovers and exposes the weaknesses of your players when it's not.

Not to mention that no one brings up defense very often when they talk about MSU.

MSU has to get fired up for the Michigan and Notre Dame games. Their season is usually pretty much over by the mid way point of the season. I mean, when is the last time they won the Big Ten?

But seriously, either Notre Dame was WAY over-ranked, or MSU was WAY under-ranked.

And U of M's offense may be predictable, and conservative, and run based, ball control, and all of that.. but when it is working, it is beautiful. And when it's not working, it doesn't kill them. On the other the hand, a big, high flying, run and chuck offense, creates, big exciting plays when it's working, and sloppy turnovers and exposes the weaknesses of your players when it's not.

Not to mention that no one brings up defense very often when they talk about MSU.

I knew you'd chime in sooner or later, Super. :MusicBigGrin: Would be nice if Lloyd let some of the other running backs play once in a while. Well, can't blame MSU's D for the late interception. That's on the O.

40 - 37

Irish in the lead.

2:53 in the 4th

You guys must be sweating this one.

I knew you'd chime in sooner or later, Super. :MusicBigGrin: Would be nice if Lloyd let some of the other running backs play once in a while. Well, can't blame MSU's D for the late interception. That's on the O.

Grady plays a decent amount.

This isn't little league though. Not everyone gets a chance to play... you play the best players at each position.

That's like saying why doesn't coach Smith give Stanton a rest and play Clay Charles, Connor Dixon, Brian Hoyer, or John Van Dam?

What is that all about?

Why does Wayne Fontes keep playing Barry Sanders? There's more than one running back on the team.

MSU coughs it up. Pardon me while I go to the bathroom and :puke:That a-hole Kirk Herbstreet seemed to love that last pick.

Darnit!

Sorry MSU lost you guys.

That's too bad.

:wedgie:

Gave up how many points in the 4th quarter?

Grady plays a decent amount.

Define "a decent amount."

Typical MSU.

They totally deserved to lose this game.

Define "a decent amount."

You know, Ron Rivers backing up Barry Sanders type numbers.

Running back by committee is for chumps anyway.

My condolences to the MSU fans on this forum. When they are playing ND and OSU is about the only time I'll root for them. That was rough.

Not sure what I hated more, MSU playing not lose after having a 16 point lead with 8:25 to go or the ESPN guys falling over themselves in the last quarter and the post game kissing Brady Quinn and the Irish behinds. Lou Holz was beside himself with glee as Quinn actually vendicated his earlier predictions that they would win. Lee Corso also went as far to say that Quinn was back in the Heisman race :P :bs:

Now for the second week in a row we gotta hear about The Irish and their pluses and minuses:frusty: :bored: Now they got three straight games vs potential cremepuffs on the Notredame Broadcasting Conpany network, NBC and overate hype will be in full force the rest if the fall.

Agreed with everything in your post, Dre. The fact that they still have their own freakin' national network TV deal, as well as being pretenders to any sort of real national championship contention for over a decade now, just goes to show that ND football (not just this year's team, but generally speaking, as a program) is--without exaggeration--the most overrated team in the history of sports.

Typical John L. Smith. I still like the guy, but the playing not to lose stuff gets old. He sucks the wind outta the sails of his potent offense to put heavy pressure on his suspect defense against a guy like Quinn. That make any sense to you?

But you gotta admit...there's something to 'the luck of the Irish'. First Carlson catches a pass tipped by his own guy for a 30 yard gain, then Lambert picked the ball off the MSU receivers back after it had bounced off a few people on what turned out to be the last play of the game.

Matt Trannon: I loved his TD toss to Ringer (Stanton 8 TD throws this year...Trannon has 2 so far). That was a BS unsportmanlike call on the ND sideline against him after the ND player and a coach pulled him from behind on the ND sideline when he wasn't doing anything wrong (fortunately the officials made a make-up call shorter after when they granted MSU's Ervin Williams a TD after his interception). Yeah...the weather sucked...but I'm surprised Trannon didn't get to touch the ball more than he did...for the second week in a row.

As a Spartan fan, I hope this loss isn't the season-ending fold-up game they had last year at OSU when they were dictating the game and then blew it at the end of the second quarter. JohnL has to learn that there are 60 minutes in a football game and crossover to the notion that when his team has a decent lead and are dictating the tempo, that is the time to put the nails in the coffin! PILE IT UP! Hoping not to lose, he puts the kids back on their heels thru his offensive play calling making them doubt themselves. If anyone should be pissed at JohnL, it should be the entire defensive unit after he put all of the pressure on them. Time to earn your salary JohnL...open up and make MSU the football powerhouse it once was. Poor Bubba having to watch that stupid beating after being honored...makes me sick!

On a sidenote to the broadcasting: I had to laugh at Musburger & his cohort fumbling to get ND's season-leading receiver Rhema McKnight's first name right in the first half. First they where calling him Randall and then Raymond LMAO!!!

On a sidenote to the broadcasting: I had to laugh at Musburger & his cohort fumbling to get ND's season-leading receiver Rhema McKnight's first name right in the first half. First they where calling him Randall and then Raymond LMAO!!!

I also noticed the announcer in the Mich/Wisc game called Henne "Henly" and "Henry" at different points.

I thought MSU would win, so I turned the game off.

Now I understand why UM fans don't respect the Spartans...

I thought MSU would win, so I turned the game off.

Now I understand why UM fans don't respect the Spartans...

Even Spartan fans don't respect the Spartans.

Typical John L. Smith. I still like the guy, but the playing not to lose stuff gets old. He sucks the wind outta the sails of his potent offense to put heavy pressure on his suspect defense against a guy like Quinn. That make any sense to you?

But you gotta admit...there's something to 'the luck of the Irish'. First Carlson catches a pass tipped by his own guy for a 30 yard gain, then Lambert picked the ball off the MSU receivers back after it had bounced off a few people on what turned out to be the last play of the game.

Matt Trannon: I loved his TD toss to Ringer (Stanton 8 TD throws this year...Trannon has 2 so far). That was a BS unsportmanlike call on the ND sideline against him after the ND player and a coach pulled him from behind on the ND sideline when he wasn't doing anything wrong (fortunately the officials made a make-up call shorter after when they granted MSU's Ervin Williams a TD after his interception). Yeah...the weather sucked...but I'm surprised Trannon didn't get to touch the ball more than he did...for the second week in a row.

As a Spartan fan, I hope this loss isn't the season-ending fold-up game they had last year at OSU when they were dictating the game and then blew it at the end of the second quarter. JohnL has to learn that there are 60 minutes in a football game and crossover to the notion that when his team has a decent lead and are dictating the tempo, that is the time to put the nails in the coffin! PILE IT UP! Hoping not to lose, he puts the kids back on their heels thru his offensive play calling making them doubt themselves. If anyone should be pissed at JohnL, it should be the entire defensive unit after he put all of the pressure on them. Time to earn your salary JohnL...open up and make MSU the football powerhouse it once was. Poor Bubba having to watch that stupid beating after being honored...makes me sick!

On a sidenote to the broadcasting: I had to laugh at Musburger & his cohort fumbling to get ND's season-leading receiver Rhema McKnight's first name right in the first half. First they where calling him Randall and then Raymond LMAO!!!

Good post Detteam.

I agree with you on almost all of this. The whole thing sickened me but I saw it coming the entire game. I couldn't even talk about it until today it made me so ill. Such is the fate of a Sparty.

I too still like Smith , but I've got to pin this loss on him. Usually, I don't feel like that.

About the Irish luck. Yeah, they got a nice bounce on that last play, plus the deflected pass, but it should never have come to that. MSU blew it. It had very little to do with luck. MSU got breaks too.

I too figure it is going to be a season spoiler like the OSU game. Why not? It may as well be this game. It was inevitable.

OSU and U of M are going to steamroll this team. Que sera sera. :loser:

Did a Spartan slap Weis?

Mich. State shows tape to counter Weis' slap claim
link:USATODAY.com - Mich. State shows tape to counter Weis' slap claim (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2006-09-25-notes_x.htm?csp=34)

Did a Spartan slap Weis?

Mich. State shows tape to counter Weis' slap claim
link:USATODAY.com - Mich. State shows tape to counter Weis' slap claim (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2006-09-25-notes_x.htm?csp=34)


For all Weis knows it coulda been his quadruple-chin hittin him in the face.

That was a raw call on Trannon. I'd like to see the tape again. From what I recall, Trannon didn't hit anyone...he just reacted to being yanked from behind.

I'd like to see more made in the press of Weis' comment that Notre Dame 'would not lose to Michigan State again'...rather than a claimed %%%%%-slap that I don't recall seeing and apparently, video didn't see it either.

The Spartans became the first Big Ten team to lose to the Illini since 2004. Jason Reda's 39-yard field goal with 6 seconds remaining lifted Illinois to a 23-20 victory.

While the Wolverines got revenge against Minnesota winning 28-14. Henne had a nice game passing for 3 touchdowns.

Next week: MICHIGAN VS. MICHIGAN STATE

The Spartans became the first Big Ten team to lose to the Illini since 2004. Jason Reda's 39-yard field goal with 6 seconds remaining lifted Illinois to a 23-20 victory.

While the Wolverines got revenge against Minnesota winning 28-14. Henne had a nice game passing for 3 touchdowns.

Next week: MICHIGAN VS. MICHIGAN STATE

State's just laying low and they're going to rise up and spank Michigan next weekend. Well, maybe not, but I don't see a blowout looming. Stanton knows this is his last chance to beat the Wolverines so I think he'll bring some focus to this one. John L. looked like a defeated man in the presser.

UM didn't look all that great to me against Minny. Offense played good the first half; defense didn't. Defense played good the second half; offense didn't. Ohio State is on a whole different level than UM, but I think UM will continue to improve.

Next week: MICHIGAN VS. MICHIGAN STATE

Darth?

I remember a friendly avatar wager being mentioned in the past. PM me.

I say a week of the opposite avatar, of the winner's choosing.

:smiley-poker:

The Sparties are going to have to dig deep to recover some self-respect after the last two games. I'll be honest...Stanton's arm was not in motion on the call that led to MSU's late TD...the defenders tackle made it look that way. On the bright side...Hoyer looked pretty good coming in cold. Stanton's got the legs...but Hoyer's got the arm.

As always...I'm looking for an epic battle for state bragging rights next Sat. It's kinda funny that State plays it's best games in the spoiler roll...and it's too bad that they can't get up for games that should be gimmies.

Superstarov...U of M will prolly be favored by 20 and they will win by only 25 if MSU is lucky.

MSU sux and U of M is playing very well.

You have all bragging rights for football this year. I concede.

Superstarov...U of M will prolly be favored by 20 and they will win by only 25 if MSU is lucky.

MSU sux and U of M is playing very well.

You have all bragging rights for football this year. I concede.

No wager?!

Where's the spirit?

Giving up before the half way point...

Are you an MSU fan or a Lion's fan?!!

No wager?!



Are you an MSU fan or a Lion's fan?!!

Yeah. Sparties get the double whammy. :yield:

No wager.

Super

Just out of loyalty to my alma mater, I'll take you up on the avatar bet.

The Spartan Pride will awaken and give the Wolverines a toughie and the Men in Blue will hold on to win in the 4th qtr..

Super

Just out of loyalty to my alma mater, I'll take you up on the avatar bet.

I don't know... I've been harassed so much by Darth about this stuff, I may not really get the satisfaction from doing it to someone else. I'll have to mull it over a little bit.

I don't know... I've been harassed so much by Darth about this stuff, I may not really get the satisfaction from doing it to someone else. I'll have to mull it over a little bit.

Whatsamatter...you getting cold feet? :cold: Save your chicken for the oven...don't waste it here :rolleyes:

Alright, I'm in.

I'm not worried about the Farmers.

On the banks of the Red Cedar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_State_University_Fight_Song),
There's a school that's known to all;
Its specialty is farming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_State_University_Fight_Song),
And those farmers play football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_State_University_Fight_Song); (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_State_University_Fight_Song)

Alright, I'm in.

I'm not worried about the Farmers.

On the banks of the Red Cedar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_State_University_Fight_Song),
There's a school that's known to all;
Its specialty is farming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_State_University_Fight_Song),
And those farmers play football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_State_University_Fight_Song); (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_State_University_Fight_Song)


HAIL! to the master baiters,
HAIL! to the conquering jack offs,
HAIL! HAIL! to Mischeegun,
As beat offs, they're the best!

GAME ON!!!! :)

I don't know... I've been harassed so much by Darth about this stuff, I may not really get the satisfaction from doing it to someone else. I'll have to mull it over a little bit.

Tell you what. It would be really stupid for me to make a bet that I know I'll lose.

But in the spirit of fun, I will wear the U of M avatar for 24 hours as penance for being a Spartan fan after U of M creams them.

So no wager, but I'll wear a U of M banner of my own choosing (from those available on the forum) when MSU gets humiliated next week.

Fair enough?

super...my stipulation...avatars must be from the current forum list and worn until Friday midnight...agreed?

HAIL! to the master baiters,
HAIL! to the conquering jack offs,
HAIL! HAIL! to Mischeegun,
As beat offs, they're the best!

GAME ON!!!! :)

The sad part is that if you follow my link, you know I didn't make that up.

Tell you what. It would be really stupid for me to make a bet that I know I'll lose.

But in the spirit of fun, I will wear the U of M avatar for 24 hours as penance for being a Spartan fan after U of M creams them.

So no wager, but I'll wear a U of M banner of my own choosing (from those available on the forum) when MSU gets humiliated next week.

Fair enough?

Or you can just do a couple of dozen our father's and hail mary's, to make up for you sins.

super...my stipulation...avatars must be from the current forum list and worn until Friday midnight...agreed?

Alright, if I win, I want you to wear "U of M 3".

But I think part of the humiliation would be having to wear it from Sunday morning to Sunday morning. So it's like wearing the wrong sweatshirt to the football game on Saturday.

Or you can just do a couple of dozen our father's and hail mary's, to make up for you sins.

Ok, have it your way. Good idea.

I'll go to church with my wife next Sunday after they lose. Sounds better than sporting a U of m avatar.

Alright, if I win, I want you to wear "U of M 3".

But I think part of the humiliation would be having to wear it from Sunday morning to Sunday morning. So it's like wearing the wrong sweatshirt to the football game on Saturday.

If I win ( :pound: ), you get MSU #3.

There ain't no way I'm wearin the blue & corn to face Ohio State that Saturday :)

Jeez the Spartans suck! Down 24-3 at the half to Northwestern.

3 dropped passes, costly penalties & a lost fumble...I can't even watch the second half...and John L Smith has that stupid deer-in-the-headlights grin on his face :(

WOW!!!

I couldn't stay away...by the time I turned the game back on...it was 38-3 and the Spartans were in the hurry-up O with 9 minutes left in the 3rd qtr. The SPARTANS then rolled off 38 unaswered points!!! If you saw how dead they were in the first half...you know what a GREAT turnaround they made.

UNBELIEVABLE!!! MSU 41 NW 38

Maybe they do still have a chance at a bowl game :sssh:

wow.:jaw:

That was the biggest comeback in NCAA I-A History! They rallied from 35 points down in the third quarter, then Swenson kicked a game winning field goal. The Spartans snapped a four game losing streak.
Before this game, the biggest comeback was: 31 points -- when Maryland beat Miami 42-40 on Nov. 10, 1984 and when Ohio State defeated Minnesota 41-37 on Oct. 28, 1989

They disgust me. It totally doesn't matter so they win a meaningless game.

It's nice that they won. The comeback is slightly more incredible than the way Notre Dame came back to beat them a few weeks ago.

B.F.D!

Maybe they do still have a chance at a bowl game :sssh:

that may be the only way John L. keeps his job.

This game should re-open the eyes of a lot of pro scouts. I expect Stanton to have a pretty respectable pro career. Tough-as-nails, a great completion % regardless of all the dropped passes, will pull the ball in to get the 1st down on his own if no one's open, generally makes good decisions, and is a great team leader. He could have had an even better college career had John L not spent so many games playing not to lose.

I expect Stanton to have a pretty respectable pro career.


Me, too. Will be way better than Henne's.

They disgust me. It totally doesn't matter so they win a meaningless game.

It's nice that they won. The comeback is slightly more incredible than the way Notre Dame came back to beat them a few weeks ago.

B.F.D!NCAA history was made today!

Tater...being a Sparty yourself...you have truly succumb to the dark side :starwars:

The Sith is a myth, I believe.

NCAA history was made today!

Tater...being a Sparty yourself...you have truly succumb to the dark side :starwars:

The Sith is a myth, I believe.

The dark side is the truth. The Sith grow in power all the time. Look around you. Soon you will transform into Darth Detteam.

Hopefully Stanton's career isn't ruined by the Lions choosing to draft him.

For anyone interested in seeing the replay of the Spartan's NCAA history making comeback last Sat...it's on ESPN Classics right now. Northwestern up 7-3 at the end of the first.

The Wolverines won 17-3 over Northwestern. They gave them a scare, especially when we were thirty point favorites. Mike Hart ran for 95 yards and a touchdown. There offense wasn't clicking, but there defense made up for it. Everyone is still waiting for the No. 1 vs. No. 2 matchup at Ohio State in mid November.
Michigan State looked downright awful, losing 46-21. Kellen Lewis threw five touchdown passes, including a school-record four to James Hardy, and ran for another score. Indiana scored 46 stright points after Michigan state had a 7-0 lead.

In defense of Michigan's sluggish offensive output today, the weather here was intensely crappy, they are starting their third-string tight end, and they're missing their number one big play option. there wasn't a whole lot to do besides grind it out on the ground and with short screens and that they did quite well.

watching OSU demolish Minnesota right now... man, they are potent! If both teams are undefeated when they meet, it'll be a great game, but UM defense had really better bring it.