You have to feel bad for James. To go from being on a possible contender to a team that won't even make the playoffs, has to be a huge blow. Hate to see a former piston go down like that, then again, he had his chance to stay here. :nod:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051004.wraps4/BNStory/Sports/

Thanks for the scoop Zoso,

You gotta believe the Raps are thrilled with this move.
Skip is a good setup man (better than James)... but he's nowhere near the defender James is.
Toronto make the playoffs this year?.... Naw
Arroyo better protect the ball or MJ's beotch will be going the other way with it.

Je suis Mike James, chienne !

Thanks for the scoop Zoso,

You gotta believe the Raps are thrilled with this move.
Skip is a good setup man (better than James)... but he's nowhere near the defender James is.
Toronto make the playoffs this year?.... Naw
Arroyo better protect the ball or MJ's beotch will be going the other way with it.


Yeah, the Raps definitely got the better end of that deal, especially how the article pointed out how Alston was becoming a disruption in the locker room.

I'm sure he'll change his tune, now that he's joining the Rockets. It's no wonder how a change of scenery, especially going from a pretender to a contender, and change a guys demeanor. :)

I'm psyched. I love Mike James ever since his time in Detroit. I can't wait to see him in a Raptors jersey. Rafer was supposed to be a leader but no one listened to him because of his temper...

Now the question begs for me! Do I still drop James on my fantasy roster and pick up Livingston or do I keep James?!

I'm psyched. I love Mike James ever since his time in Detroit. I can't wait to see him in a Raptors jersey. Rafer was supposed to be a leader but no one listened to him because of his temper...

Now the question begs for me! Do I still drop James on my fantasy roster and pick up Livingston or do I keep James?!

Mike James should be a good pickup for Toronto.

** I would go with Livingston.He has a bigger upside as he has triple double potential.

Interesting deal. I would not be surprised if you end up seeing Mike James traded to Detroit for Arroyo depending on how Arroyo looks in preseason. I still don't think Joe D. is going to kick out 4.5 mil to a back up point guard that can't defend well. So if Arroyo has not worked on his game I expect him to be moved out.

Just thinking about it; James, Hunter and Evans on the floor at the same time. That would give Wade fits!!!!:nod: That would be a ball hawking line up for sure. All of the passing lanes would get cut off and there would be trouble bring up the ball. I like it.

Interesting deal. I would not be surprised if you end up seeing Mike James traded to Detroit for Arroyo depending on how Arroyo looks in preseason. I still don't think Joe D. is going to kick out 4.5 mil to a back up point guard that can't defend well. So if Arroyo has not worked on his game I expecct him to be moved out.

Just think of the James, Hunter and Evans on the floor at the same time. That would give Wade fits!!!!:nod:

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Interesting deal. I would not be surprised if you end up seeing Mike James traded to Detroit for Arroyo depending on how Arroyo looks in preseason. I still don't think Joe D. is going to kick out 4.5 mil to a back up point guard that can't defend well. So if Arroyo has not worked on his game I expect him to be moved out.

Just thinking about it; James, Hunter and Evans on the floor at the same time. That would give Wade fits!!!!:nod: That would be a ball hawking line up for sure. All of the passing lanes would get cut off and there would be trouble bring up the ball. I like it.

small ball left with lb. arroyo is a much better offensive player than lindsey and is better than mike james in terms of making his team better offensively. flip will be playing zone this year so arroyo's defense won't be a problem at all. it wasn't even a problem last year. he was making considerable effort on defense. got charges on tinsley, blocked iverson a couple of times but still no minutes from lb.

mike james may not make as much as arroyo but arroyo has wayyyy more upside. much younger and brings in the puerto rican fans. if i had to choose i'd take arroyo at this point. watch him in the pick and roll this year and you'll see what i've known all along.

Mike James brings a lot to the table defensively for sure. There was several moments in the Houston/Dallas series where he just took over the game.

I agree that Arroyo has a lot more upside, but at the same time, the window is this year and maybe next. For immediate help, MJ for Arroyo would be a win-win trade for all sides. Unlikely, but good for the players (Arroyo could start in TO) and good for the teams involved.

Still unlikely though.

Arroyo got his first break in Toronto. I remember reading the article where he was basically in tears cause he wanted in the NBA so badly. The fans love him here, he'd do well.

They wouldn't do it though, Toronto's gotten James' contract that's almost expiring. That was their true goal and it looks like there might be a bright future ahead.

Man I wish he would catch on somewhere for more than half a year. If his contract was not so big I wish we could get him back. I say if he gets traded again we should tell him to retire stating some sort of bs and then sign him.

The pitbulls rocked together. That bucks game where they forced what 20 turnovers that was some of the best basketball I had seen the pistons play all year.

What I dont get is everyone knows he can defend, he can shoot pretty good too, heck he even can drive so whats the problem?

Man I wish he would catch on somewhere for more than half a year. If his contract was not so big I wish we could get him back. I say if he gets traded again we should tell him to retire stating some sort of bs and then sign him.

The pitbulls rocked together. That bucks game where they forced what 20 turnovers that was some of the best basketball I had seen the pistons play all year.

What I dont get is everyone knows he can defend, he can shoot pretty good too, heck he even can drive so whats the problem?

That is a heck of a question.

Keeping Delfino I'd trade Arroyo for Mike James in a heartbeat. The reason Delfino factors into this equation is because Delfino is more of a Point player than a wing player, while not a pure pt he sees the floor well and he handles the ball extremely well. While Delfino doesn't set up players like Arroyo does, he can dish the rock pretty well. A lineup of James, Evans, Delfino, Dyess, and Darko would be awesome. Darko, Delfino and Arroyo aren't scorers, they're GREAT passers, but at times I felt like yelling, "SOMEBODY'S GOT TO SHOOT THE DAMN BALL!!!!"

Now I'm pissed off and dreaming again like it's August or something.

If we trade Arroyo down the line, I want to keep PRBaller. He's good people.

If we trade Arroyo down the line, I want to keep PRBaller. He's good people.

lmao! :laugh:

I would rather have James because of his defense. So far, Arroyo has shown me all flash and no substance. The first exhibition game was just like the playoffs, with him dribbling around and ending up with a flyer. I do hope he pans out but starting to have stronger doubts.