Just taking a brief look at your stats. We are both similiar in that we suck at FG% and FT% while being able to put up respectable numbers in all the other stats.

Its going to be interesting.

Who wants it more? Got to want this win Dre!

Now the big ben is back, i dropped PJ Brown and pisked up Tony Battie who the Magis have given more minutes too since GHill went down. Hopefully this gives me a little more in the middle. Never know who is going to suck it shooting, but with two Cavs on the squad with La bron and Gooden, they both are shooting below 70% at the stripe this past month.

I was looking foward to a challenging match up this week with Motown. His team is battered and his team has been dropping in the rankings. I don't know how much of a fight he can put up this week against my team. He needs to be very afraid!!!:pound:

Very funny wise guy. :gun1:

Paul Pierce could return next week. Be careful what you wish for.

Trades

- Pastor, wake up!

- #1, I'm gunna send you a counter offer tonight.

Trades

- Pastor, wake up!

- #1, I'm gunna send you a counter offer tonight.

I knew D. Williams would get your attention...keep in mind I'm getting R. Lewis back (as if I had him before his injury) soon so I'm willing to give up some PTS, FT%, REB and maybe 3pt (if I'm getting some back)...

Williams will not be in the counter offer.

Paul Pierce could return next week. Be careful what you wish for.

Pierce just got shipped back home for being sick and with an inflammed elbow. Bad news for you Mo, see if there's anybody on my team that you want - I'm still interested in buying a little low right now.

Williams will not be in the counter offer.

:stupid:

I like Hinrich more than Williams. Obviously you do too.

Ante up or fold. I'm all in.

Hey max, how is the view from down there? I hope my afterburners don't singe your hairpiece!

I like Hinrich more than Williams. Obviously you do too.

Ante up or fold. I'm all in.


Call, pleasure doing business with ya

Alright everyone, I'm giving up on the AST category so anybody interested in D. Williams or D. West make me some offers. Most can expect some too. I'd prefer a center in return.

Bro, you gave up the number one player in fantasy basketball (averages) for David West and Kirk Hinrich. Fooey on you. David West has slowed down tremendously as of late (track his production last couple of games) and Kirk Hinrich is at sell high status right now. You've been swindled.

#1, I got to give credit where credit is due....

You are one helluva GM. Scoe' should have yielded MainManJoeD's warning.

Sour grapes.

Pierce just got shipped back home for being sick and with an inflammed elbow. Bad news for you Mo, see if there's anybody on my team that you want - I'm still interested in buying a little low right now.

First off, I never sell low.

He'll still play on Friday. The injury was to his foot not his elbow. I'm not worried.

If you want to talk trade then it starts with Kobe or Harrington otherwise I'm not interested.

Bro, you gave up the number one player in fantasy basketball (averages) for David West and Kirk Hinrich. Fooey on you. David West has slowed down tremendously as of late (track his production last couple of games) and Kirk Hinrich is at sell high status right now. You've been swindled.
No. This (http://www.wdfn.com/pages/audio/denny%20green%20-%20they%20are%20who%20we%20thought.mp3) is how the microwaves approached this trade.

Sour grapes.

So brother, when you turn into Matt Millen before a trade is it like an Incredible Hulk transformation or more like a transformer-esque type of thang? :stirthepot: :MusicBigGrin:

No. This (http://www.wdfn.com/pages/audio/denny%20green%20-%20they%20are%20who%20we%20thought.mp3) is how the microwaves approached this trade.

I guess as long as your happy bro. Good luck to ya.:)

You are one helluva GM. Scoe' should have yielded MainManJoeD's warning.

Yeah. One helluva GM. Swindles some bottom dweller who doesn't give a hoot how hard the rest of us have been playing this game this year. I voted against the trade. Clearly not fair.

Yeah. One helluva GM. Swindles some bottom dweller who doesn't give a hoot how hard the rest of us have been playing this game this year. I voted against the trade. Clearly not fair.

My official stance.

I'm against vetoing trades based on what's deemed "fair". Its too subjective. Unless there is conspiracy involved or technical mishap (pressed approve by mistake), which I know there is not, I am for the trade regardless of my take on who is the winner.

If Shawn Marion was that moveable, shame on the rest of us for not offering Scoe' something better or at least better in his eyes.

So much can happen in a course of a season, let's give these two the benefit of the doubt and work harder to trade and keep up with the joneses.

Had I known my teasing of Scoe' would have caused a negative reaction I would have shut my mouth.

And this is coming from a super competitive person.

My official stance.

I'm against vetoing trades based on what's deemed "fair". Its too subjective. Unless there is conspiracy involved or technical mishap (pressed approve by mistake), which I know there is not, I am for the trade regardless of my take on who is the winner.

If Shawn Marion was that moveable, shame on the rest of us for not offering Scoe' something better or at least better in his eyes.

So much can happen in a course of a season, let's give these two the benefit of the doubt and work harder to trade and keep up with the joneses.

Had I known my teasing of Scoe' would have caused a negative reaction I would have shut my mouth.

And this is coming from a super competitive person.


I am not going to veto the trade. There was no shaddy dealings involved. If Roscoe is happy with the deal why should we rain on his parade?

I'm so insulted I don't even know what to post right now.

I'm so insulted I don't even know what to post right now.

Didn't mean to be insulting Micro. Clearly a trade made in desparation. But you're in dire straights. You're a smart guy, maybe this does make your team better, by adding some depth. But it clearly negatively affects the rest of us who are playing for the title. He gave away two players who were not at all important to his team and got back the best player in fantasy land. My point is that it was really of no consequence to you how it effects the rest of us. But hey, dog eat dog.

Those of us on top should all be looking for desparate bottom dwellers to try to get the best of. That's how the game is won. And that's why I'll never win. I actually try to make deals that work out well for both sides, and will never make a deal that will put the rest of the league at a disadvantage.

Didn't mean to be insulting Micro. Clearly a trade made in desparation. But you're in dire straights. You're a smart guy, maybe this does make your team better, by adding some depth. But it clearly negatively affects the rest of us who are playing for the title. He gave away two players who were not at all important to his team and got back the best player in fantasy land. My point is that it was really of no consequence to you how it effects the rest of us. But hey, dog eat dog.

Those of us on top should all be looking for desparate bottom dwellers to try to get the best of. That's how the game is won. And that's why I'll never win. I actually try to make deals that work out well for both sides, and will never make a deal that will put the rest of the league at a disadvantage.

Yeah, I understand your issue. Scoe' didn't take into account how trading the GM who clearly has the best team in the league the number 1 player in fantasy basketball would affect the other GMs near the top's chances at winning. Sorta like when Sheed was traded to the Pistons. But oh well...that's the way the ball bounces. We are at the halfway point though so A LOT can change. I wouldn't throw in the towel just yet. You have a great team and injuries, the trade deadline and free agents can change everything shortly.

Those of us on top should all be looking for desparate bottom dwellers to try to get the best of. That's how the game is won. And that's why I'll never win. I actually try to make deals that work out well for both sides, and will never make a deal that will put the rest of the league at a disadvantage.

OMG, give me a break...

First of all, I would not consider Roscoe a desperate bottom dweller, he took that team from the bottom (dead last), to what will eventually be in running for the p-offs.

Second, that trade is not as lopsided as it looks (most would just look at the rankings or last 2 games). Hinrich started off VERY slow this year (could be attributed to USA bball, who knows), but he is a top 15-20 fantasy player. D. West, as everyone knows, was injured for the majority of the season and will take a little more time to get back to 100%. I believe West is a top 20-25 player, which would make this deal quite fair if you look at team needs.

I think Roscoe knows what he's doing and it'll be ironic if his team matches up with you in the first round of the play-offs.

Now, if ANYBODY wanted to propose another offer to Roscoe and he'd rather take it, I would not be upset at all if we vetoed the trade.

Now, if ANYBODY wanted to propose another offer to Roscoe and he'd rather take it, I would not be upset at all if we vetoed the trade.

Not neccessary. This trade ain't going nowhere.

Enjoy Marion, I'll find a way to beat you. Trust me.

Now, if ANYBODY wanted to propose another offer to Roscoe and he'd rather take it, I would not be upset at all if we vetoed the trade.

If both teams made the trade in good faith, it should stand, regardless of how fair or unfair any of us feel it is.

To open it up to a bidding war for Marion's services would be completely unfair to the original trade partners.

Swindles some bottom dweller who doesn't give a hoot how hard the rest of us have been playing this game this year. I voted against the trade. Clearly not fair.

For the record, I'm the bottom dweller in this league and it isn't because I don't give a hoot. I'm blaming injuries! :sssh:

Yeah, I understand your issue. Scoe' didn't take into account how trading the GM who clearly has the best team in the league the number 1 player in fantasy basketball would affect the other GMs near the top's chances at winning. Sorta like when Sheed was traded to the Pistons. But oh well...that's the way the ball bounces. We are at the halfway point though so A LOT can change. I wouldn't throw in the towel just yet. You have a great team and injuries, the trade deadline and free agents can change everything shortly.

I think it is very subjective to say that #1 has the best team. If his team was all that why trade? I think he has a great team and he has made great strides the last month or so and has moved up the rankings. However he is just one ankle twist or seperated shoulder away from falling in the rankings.

Also keep in mind that stacking up on guy's that play for Dallas or Phoenix may not be in your best interest as these guy's likely will not play much when it really counts in fantasy the last week or two of the season.

... I'll find a way to beat you. Trust me.

You might not get the chance, your only shot would be the playoffs and you seem to be slipping a bit (past 4 weeks - sub .500). :stirthepot:

#1 you got PM.

For the record, I'm the bottom dweller in this league and it isn't because I don't give a hoot. I'm blaming injuries! :sssh:

Can I convince you to trade me CP3??? Or is he still untouchable?

No need to block it. I'm just jealous. Wish I had a team where Hinrich and West are easily cast away. Enjoy another championship #1. You are the fantasy master.

However he is just one ankle twist or seperated shoulder away from falling in the rankings.

You could say the same thing about every team/player in the league. Trading away injury prone players (J. Oneal) or keeping them (Josh Howard), is what makes the difference.



Also keep in mind that stacking up on guy's that play for Dallas or Phoenix may not be in your best interest as these guy's likely will not play much when it really counts in fantasy the last week or two of the season.

I can only hope that they are fighting it out for the top spot until the end. Even if they're not, I cant see them sitting out more than a game.

No need to block it. I'm just jealous. Wish I had a team where Hinrich and West are easily cast away. Enjoy another championship #1. You are the fantasy master.

Wow, the top team in the standings and your already giving up?

Please vote veto. #1 and I are backing out of the trade. Motown, if you have commish powers to void, please do so.

Please vote veto. #1 and I are backing out of the trade. Motown, if you have commish powers to void, please do so.

:cheers:

Wow, the top team in the standings and your already giving up?

I don't have a friggin clue how my team is in first place. I think it may have something to do with a certain guy named FLASH who nobody else seems to want.

Every week I look at the roster I'm playing against, and I expect to get blown out, then every week I win. Just don't get it.

But really, how am I supposed to beat Nowitzky, Brand, Marion, Deng, Howard, Lewis, Williams, Okur...(list goes on, and on...)

FLASH. Thats how. Over the last month 31 ppg, 50% FG, 82% FT, 6 REB, 8 AST, 3 ST, 1 BL. That makes me happy. Coulda been a Piston... That makes me sad...

Please vote veto. #1 and I are backing out of the trade. Motown, if you have commish powers to void, please do so.

Doesn't matter anyways. #1 is still almighty. Without Marion he's just a little less mighty.

Does that mean Marion is back on the block?

Roscoe, you are the master of mind games.

Roscoe, you are the master of mind games.
You just don't get it.

Doesn't matter anyways. #1 is still almighty. Without Marion he's just a little less mighty.

Does that mean Marion is back on the block?

Roscoe, you are the master of mind games.

:rolleyes:

Stop, you're making me blush.

Hey max, how is the view from down there? I hope my afterburners don't singe your hairpiece!

Hey I inherited this team and have been working to make it better, unlike you who drafted without doing any research and then blew up and cut half his team early in the season.

Thanks max. I needed the laugh. :)

Thanks max. I needed the laugh. :)

Sorry to say it actually happened. Somewhere In week 3-5 I lost it and cut half my roster.
Been uphill ever since. But I think I finally have a team that is half way decent. I will stick with these guys for a bit except for the usual fringe player movement.

I see no reason to disallow this trade unless the majority of the league votes against it. Trade stands as long as I am commish. I don't believe in reverting trades that two members agreed to in advance. As far as I'm concerned the trade is in effect unless the two parties can get a majority to approve its dismissal.

BTW, my statement about #1's team was based strictly on Season Average which I suggest all of you use as a sort criteria for determining player value. #1, after the trade, has no player with a ranking over 100. That's damn impressive. Honestly, I dunno how he pulled it off but that's some hellified GM'm skills. I'm impressed.

But he will still lose and there is no way I miss the friggin' playoffs. :)

Damn, you guys vetoed it.

You guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh well, moving on...

You just don't get it.

That has been clearly established in oh, so many ways. You should talk to my wife about that...

You could say the same thing about every team/player in the league. Trading away injury prone players (J. Oneal) or keeping them (Josh Howard), is what makes the difference.


Have to take a gamble sometimes. Fact is I would not be competitive in the blocks or rebounds category without O'Neal and he has not missed any time since you traded him.

Have to take a gamble sometimes. Fact is I would not be competitive in the blocks or rebounds category without O'Neal and he has not missed any time since you traded him.

Right, but I had to get rid of some of my injury prone players, which was my point. I had too many on my roster - R. Jefferson, JO, Josh Howard and Al Harrington.

Right, but I had to get rid of some of my injury prone players, which was my point. I had too many on my roster - R. Jefferson, JO, Josh Howard and Al Harrington.

Yes but there is a difference between guys with chronic problems like Jefferson and Shaq and guys who just had a string of bad luck like Jermaine had the past 2 prior seasons.

24 pts, 11 boards and 4 blocks in his last game. I think he is one of the top front court guys to have.

Now I hope I did not jinx him.....

woke up this morning to find scandal on the forums! trade was vetoed before i even saw it.

while i dont necessarily agree that it was a fair trade, i for one moment do not doubt roscoe's fairness and GM'ing abilities.

If theres anyone who has a 'fair go for all' slogan, its Roscoe.

Damn, you guys vetoed it.

You guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh well, moving on...

Ok, my curiosity is up. What was the proposed trade?

Ok, my curiosity is up. What was the proposed trade?

Original offer (from me) was Deron Williams and David West for S. Marion

counter was K. Hinrich and David West for Marion

Original offer (from me) was Deron Williams and David West for S. Marion

counter was K. Hinrich and David West for Marion

In Novice, last week, I traded Slippy my S. Marion for his Deron Williams and Lamar Odom. I felt our trade was very fair.

Weird. There have been 5 trades in Novice. All involved me. (Three were "blockbusters").

Two trades in hockey. All involved me.

Other trades in Novice this year I made were
receiving Marion and Bogut for my Lebron and Wilcox,
receiving Arenas for Mello and M. James (early in the season),
receiving Q Rich for my Bynum (early in the season),
and recieving Kaman for Curry.

I thought my hockey trades were beneficial to all concerned,

I just try to be fair. I personally don't like to veto trades unless they are "unconscionable". I also don't worry about what others think when trading.

I'll pretty much trade with anyone, although I know who the "scam artists" are, so I enjoy trading with some more than others.

In Novice, last week, I traded Slippy my S. Marion for his Deron Williams and Lamar Odom. I felt our trade was very fair.

Weird. There have been 5 trades in Novice. All involved me. (Three were "blockbusters").

Two trades in hockey. All involved me.

Other trades in Novice this year I made were
receiving Marion and Bogut for my Lebron and Wilcox,
receiving Arenas for Mello and M. James (early in the season),
receiving Q Rich for my Bynum (early in the season),
and recieving Kaman for Curry.

I thought my hockey trades were beneficial to all concerned,

I just try to be fair. I personally don't like to veto trades unless they are "unconscionable". I also don't worry about what others think when trading.

I'll pretty much trade with anyone, although I know who the "scam artists" are, so I enjoy trading with some more than others.

Those are all great trades bro. I'm proud of ya. :) Still bummed that you weren't in either the Advanced or Open leagues this year. At least not for long...

Guess I'll have to kick your butt next year.

I'll post the standings for Open and Advanced next week. Been awhile since we had updates.

Those are all great trades bro. I'm proud of ya. :) Still bummed that you weren't in either the Advanced or Open leagues this year. At least not for long...

Guess I'll have to kick your butt next year.



I'd like to put in my reservation right now for the advanced league next year. I want to be in there for sure.

We'll see about who does the butt kicking though! :fight2:

I'd like to put in my reservation right now for the advanced league next year. I want to be in there for sure.

We'll see about who does the butt kicking though! :fight2:

I was looking forward to cooking a tater this year. Maybe next year forsure!!! lol:pound:

Sam Cassel is on the block. I need more assists for whoever wants an shooting PG.

David overrated West just pulled down 19 boards last night.

David overrated West just pulled down 19 boards last night.

Yup, surprisingly Jammertime is taking the REB category from me. Webber has really played well for him, I think thats what is keeping this week competitive.

David overrated West just pulled down 19 boards last night.
I think I was the only one with a real objection to the deal, but I agreed that it should go through before you pulled it. If you still want to make the deal, I won't protest. You're big boys, do what you gotta do.

Big Daddy

Thanks for actually putting out a reasonable offer for Wade. I'm thinking about it. What I do with Wade, basically determines my season.

I think I was the only one with a real objection to the deal, but I agreed that it should go through before you pulled it. If you still want to make the deal, I won't protest. You're big boys, do what you gotta do.

I 2nd that. Marion is ranked high but looking at his stats #1 would be pretty much be gaining steals and FG% while losing some boards and assists. We are talking about an 18/10 guy here who is good in steals, good at 3-pt for his position and kind of average in blocks and FT%. Very poor in assists. Also likely to have reduced mins for the last few games of the season.

Put it this way, I would not trade Ray Allen for him.

Big Daddy

Thanks for actually putting out a reasonable offer for Wade. I'm thinking about it. What I do with Wade, basically determines my season.
Let me know it sat so I cancelled before I got to reading here. It's not easy to come up with totally even trades thanks for noticing I tried.

Just put out a bunch of offers, mostly involving David West and Deron Williams.

Let me know it sat so I cancelled before I got to reading here. It's not easy to come up with totally even trades thanks for noticing I tried.


It is hard coming up with even trades. I guess it really all depends on what the other GM is trying to improve on and what they can afford to give up.

Desperate bottom dweller making his move....

Raja Bell... Do you think he even cares that his blind-man shooting routine has caused so many so much pain? A shooting guard going 4-9 from the FT line? Not so good...

Nice win Roscoe. It was pretty close. You've done a nice job with your team. Good for you to get a little satisfaction from beating a superior being. Especially after the razzing I gave you earlier in the week.

But, alas, what's it all for. #1 is so much better than anyone else, there's really no point. He could lose 5 guys to injury, and he'd still be the best. My team is completely reliant on all its players. Boozer goes down, I suck. Wade goes down, I suck.

Here's my plan to stop number one. We all have to work together. We'll randomly select one team to take him on, and all make tremendously unfair deals in their favor. Build up that team. #1 only has one veto, so he can't stop us. Problem is, #1 will probably still win...

So enjoy your victory Roscoe, and realize that if you pull it all together and make it to the playoffs, all that effort may very well win you a 9-0 whoopin by #1.

MainMan, in my world, #2 is still ok. Heck, I just wanted to make a move for a PG so I could win the consolation bracket. Btw, Hinrich had 29 points in his last game. :stirthepot:

#1 doesn't scare me. I'm here to fight. If we try our best and lose, surely that is better than not trying at all.

#1 doesn't scare me. I'm here to fight. If we try our best and lose, surely that is better than not trying at all.

Naw. Better to sit at home sippin on some EtOH, watching rock than to go out, put out your all and get anhilated.

Having said that, #1 had a similarly awesome team last year, and I lost to him with my team of nobodies in the Final 4 by only 2 3pters. So you never know...


Btw, Hinrich had 29 points in his last game.


He was playing against Phoenix. Everybody scores 29 pts against Phoenix. I agree that a shoot-first PG is what your team needs. No need to fool with AST, because your team is so bad there. Always good to have 1-2 cats to punt in order to strenghten the others.

I have agreed, almost directly after the fact that that deal would have been beneficial to you, but probably would have strenghthened #1 as well (which is bad for us). As I've said 3 times now, there's nothing stopping you from making that move.

Yeah, but if we had made the trade, I might not have beaten you this week, and I certainly couldn't rib you about it. :stirthepot:

Again, I'm just making the most of my situation. You're ok with me MMJD.

I certainly haven't conceded. I'm going to beat #1. The playoffs are an entirely different ballgame. Anything can happen.

Speaking of playoffs, when do they start and how many teams get in?

I have my work cut out for me...

Speaking of playoffs, when do they start and how many teams get in?

I have my work cut out for me...

Mar 26th.

6 teams in the big boys bracket.

Mar 26th.

6 teams in the big boys bracket.

I see that Pastor is keeping my seat warm in 6th place.

Now down to business. Does anyone want to lend me a couple of their better players? Say until March 26th?

I see that Pastor is keeping my seat warm in 6th place.

Now down to business. Does anyone want to lend me a couple of their better players? Say until March 26th?

I am within 3 games of the top six now. If can't make up the difference by the end of the month I can trade you La bron and little Kmart for some cash money:nod:

But seriously I am hoping that I can get into the top six. I finished seventh last year. Just have to see after this week who is expendable for some post allstar trades.

By the way Mo is there a trading deadline?

By the way Mo is there a trading deadline?
Trade deadline=March 8

You want to crown me, then crown me. I am who you said I was. Same team that you all played early in the season.

:winner_first_h4h:

You want to crown me, then crown me. I am who you said I was. Same team that you all played early in the season.

:winner_first_h4h:

Good luck repeating #1.

A lot of things need to go just right. I hope to repeat in Novice, but I won't be a favorite this year. I'll enjoy going to the dance though.:dance:

You want to crown me, then crown me. I am who you said I was. Same team that you all played early in the season.

:winner_first_h4h:


The last time we met #1 you handed my first lop sided lose of the year 3-6. I have made a few minor changes so I don't think the outcome will be the same.

I am however kicking myself over letting Rashard Lewis go. I thought he would not come back to the end of March. I was more concerned about falling out of the top six and I had other injuries at the time.

Hey, anyone want to flip teams?

All for fun anyway. Make a learning experience out of it and see what someone else would do with your team.

Slippy wanted to do that with me in the Ultimate Sleeper League, but since I am in 4 leagues, I really want to see if I can win one!

I'll check out your roster max. Maybe it is doable in this league. If you won't mind taking on a project as big as your own!

Slippy wanted to do that with me in the Ultimate Sleeper League, but since I am in 4 leagues, I really want to see if I can win one!

I'll check out your roster max. Maybe it is doable in this league. If you won't mind taking on a project as big as your own!

We are both out anyway. You would lose 3 games though.

Trade sent! No crying folks, this is a blockbuster!

Looks like playoff spots 1 thru 5 are pretty much locked up. The teams may flip-flop but I don't see anyone falling out of this group.

Looks like there is a real battle for the 6th and final playoff spot. Let the games begin. Someone out of this 6 thru 12 group needs to make some big time moves and prove they are worthy of being in the Advanced League where the Big Boys play.

Trade sent! No crying folks, this is a blockbuster!

its done. Can always make some post trades if there were any guys that you really liked.

To let you know.

I had that team pretty good in 3-pt shooting and blocks but could not seem to improve on other areas without giving some of that up.

You got yourself a decent team max. Should be able to move up a spot or two without much tweaking.

I really just wanted to have Darko so he can face the Motown Prides Wombats this week!

You got yourself a decent team max. Should be able to move up a spot or two without much tweaking.

I really just wanted to have Darko so he can face the Motown Prides Wombats this week!

Yes and I can root for Darko to suck now ( as before ) , so the universe makes sense again.

Max and Roscoe are thinking out of the box. I like it.:MusicBigGrin:

#1, wanna trade teams? I'll give me my 2nd place squad for your 4th place team. Seems fair to me...

#1, wanna trade teams? I'll give me my 2nd place squad for your 4th place team. Seems fair to me...

#1 is in 3rd place and closing in. Winless is in 4th by default as Motown drifts into the abyss.

#1, wanna trade teams? I'll give me my 2nd place squad for your 4th place team. Seems fair to me...

Nah, I'm sure it would get vetoed. Just a waste of time.

#1 is in 3rd place and closing in. Winless is in 4th by default as Motown drifts into the abyss.

The drifting will end soon my friend. Very soon.

The question to be asked is how did #1 get so good? He did not start that way.

Someone out there has been making unathorized deals..

Hmmm.

:sherlock:

You got yourself a decent team max. Should be able to move up a spot or two without much tweaking.

I really just wanted to have Darko so he can face the Motown Prides Wombats this week!


So now i have to play Max's team twice in the space of 3 weeks? I lost to him last time!

Not only that, it means facing Darko again!

So now i have to play Max's team twice in the space of 3 weeks? I lost to him last time!

Not only that, it means facing Darko again!

I just had a chilling realization - I will also have to face Darko eventually!!!

What have I done? The monster is out of the lab.

I have a 5-4 lead with a lead of 2 in TO's and have a chance to win assits/boards. Pastor does not have anyone playing tonight and I have 3 so its all me.

I could take a knee and not chance losing the TO category.

Nah - Going to go for it. Win or bust.

You still have a chance if you are out there Pastor.

My matchup is already over. No Thursday games. Got blitzed from a lack of games played. I'm very happy with my roster going into the all-star break though...minus Channing Frye. We should be in good shape for the last couple of weeks of the season. Nice blend of young talent and all-stars.

My matchup is already over. No Thursday games. Got blitzed from a lack of games played. I'm very happy with my roster going into the all-star break thought...minus Channing Frye. We should be in good shape for the last couple of weeks of the season. Nice blend of young talent and all-stars.

I have a made a few changes last week for the 2nd half of the season. Nothing major, few tweeks.

My matchup is already over. No Thursday games. Got blitzed from a lack of games played. I'm very happy with my roster going into the all-star break though...minus Channing Frye. We should be in good shape for the last couple of weeks of the season. Nice blend of young talent and all-stars.

Thank-you MoPrides for giving me such an easy week, and allowing me to regain first place, one last time. After next weeks debacle with #1, I expect to start a painful decline down the rankings. I'd like to keep second place to get the playoff bye. At least I don't have to play Wombats again!

5 weeks left until the playoffs and the trade dead line is approaching.

I am open to trade offers involving Iverson, Zach Randolph, and Alonzo Mourning.

5 weeks left until the playoffs and the trade dead line is approaching.

I am open to trade offers involving Iverson, Zach Randolph, and Alonzo Mourning.

Who do you want for Randolph? Make me an offer.

Who do you want for Randolph? Make me an offer.

Okay. I will send one shortly.

I'm looking to cut down on the pairs of players that I have from the same team. Here is a list.

K. Hinrich
Deron Williams
R. Lewis
J. Howard
D. Nowitzki (nearly untouchable)

I'm looking for a 2 for 1. A center in return would help.

Max I'm interested in both Battier and Marion.

I'm looking to cut down on the pairs of players that I have from the same team. Here is a list.

K. Hinrich
Deron Williams
R. Lewis
J. Howard
D. Nowitzki (nearly untouchable)

I'm looking for a 2 for 1. A center in return would help.

Max I'm interested in both Battier and Marion.

You are the master!! Can I have Rashard Lewis back? I will send you an offer.

#1, don't go feeling like you've got to beat me 9-0 or something just to prove a point. A 7-2 whoopin will do just fine.

Held on to Wade just a little too long. Any offers now? Can I hold on for the playoffs? Any of you bottom dwellers think you can make up 20 games in the next few weeks? Here's your chance.

I racked up a ton of DNP's last night. Diaw, David Lee, Mobley and Chucky Atkins. Diaw is the only guy that has an injury. I suspected perhaps these guy's were about the be on the move then no deal goes down involving them. I totally got hosed!!!!

Held on to Wade just a little too long. Any offers now? Can I hold on for the playoffs? Any of you bottom dwellers think you can make up 20 games in the next few weeks? Here's your chance.


I feel for ya....:cold:

Held on to Wade just a little too long. Any offers now? Can I hold on for the playoffs? Any of you bottom dwellers think you can make up 20 games in the next few weeks? Here's your chance.

How is this going to help? If you have to win games, I don't know. I basically have to avg something like 6-3 in the final weeks to get in.

I am surprised I don't see more bottom dwellers trying to make deals even if they are small deals. If your team has sucked all season they are not going to magically get better over night. The only exception may be a team that has injured players coming back.

I am surprised I don't see more bottom dwellers trying to make deals even if they are small deals. If your team has sucked all season they are not going to magically get better over night. The only exception may be a team that has injured players coming back.

And I didn't?

Max-


You need to pick up a legit Point Guard that can give you 6 or 7 assists a game and atleast 12 to 15 points and you should be fine.

Max-


You need to pick up a legit Point Guard that can give you 6 or 7 assists a game and atleast 12 to 15 points and you should be fine.

I've been trying to trade Kirk or Deron. They might meet the criteria.

I've been trying to trade Kirk or Deron. They might meet the criteria.

You can't be good at everything. Unless I have plans on winning the assists cat it does me no good to part with a player like Marion, it does not matter if you lose assists by 10 or 100.

I may be open to trades, just not in any kind of rush like I was before. My season is pretty much over.

You can't be good at everything. Unless I have plans on winning the assists cat it does me no good to part with a player like Marion, it does not matter if you lose assists by 10 or 100.

I may be open to trades, just not in any kind of rush like I was before. My season is pretty much over.

No, I wouldn't trade Marion for Kirk or Deron. Maybe both of them.

No, I wouldn't trade Marion for Kirk or Deron. Maybe both of them.

I can't fault you two for trying to improve your teams but your offers for Marion were not very good. It would be great if things did not add up and I could add some assists for nothing but thats not how it works.

I can't fault you two for trying to improve your teams but your offers for Marion were not very good. It would be great if things did not add up and I could add some assists for nothing but thats not how it works.

You wanted 3 players for Marion. For me to give up Okfur, Diaw and Stephen Jackson for just Marion did not make much sense for me to do.
I thought my offer of Zach Randolph, Steven Jackson and Boris Diaw for Marion and Vince Carter was decent it was atleast a starting point to negotiate from. You instantly would have sured up your points/FG%/rebounding and assists.

But you said you were not interested in Randolph which I don't really understand because he averages 24pts 10.2 reb and 1.9 assists a game.

You wanted 3 players for Marion. For me to give up Okfur, Diaw and Stephen Jackson for just Marion did not make much sense for me to do.
I thought my offer of Zach Randolph, Steven Jackson and Boris Diaw for Marion and Vince Carter was decent it was atleast a starting point to negotiate from. You instantly would have sured up your points/FG%/rebounding and assists.

But you said you were not interested in Randolph which I don't really understand because he averages 24pts 10.2 reb and 1.9 assists a game.

I knew you would not accept that offer, just threw it out there in case as everyone else does.


Its highly unlikly that I will make any more trades unless something comes along that I cannot pass up. I just can't see how I can improve my team anymore. If you look at both my roster and Micro's, which used to be mine, we both would be in contention. Too little and too late though. At this point I really do not want to have a negative infuence on the rest of your seasons, hence my reluctance to trade.

I really do not have any favorites or preferences as to who wins. Going to be cheering all of you guys on when the playoffs start.

I knew you would not accept that offer, just threw it out there in case as everyone else does.


Its highly unlikly that I will make any more trades unless something comes along that I cannot pass up. I just can't see how I can improve my team anymore. If you look at both my roster and Micro's, which used to be mine, we both would be in contention. Too little and too late though. At this point I really do not want to have a negative infuence on the rest of your seasons, hence my reluctance to trade.

I really do not have any favorites or preferences as to who wins. Going to be cheering all of you guys on when the playoffs start.


Max-

No biggie. Not sure Marion would have helped me anyway. I was trying to make a big shake up because my team just seemed lately to be coasting along. Your team is not bad. You just don't have enough fuel in the tank to dominate teams. It seems like your team when it does win always wins 5-4.

I took a gamble in trading Randolph for Yao. I figuire I had to take a gamble to try to stay competitive with the other top 5 teams. It will be an interesting next couple weeks.

Max-

No biggie. Not sure Marion would have helped me anyway. I was trying to make a big shake up because my team just seemed lately to be coasting along. Your team is not bad. You just don't have enough fuel in the tank to dominate teams. It seems like your team when it does win always wins 5-4.


Tell me about it. But that was the old team and I had made some changes to improve it before the switch with Micro. Figure he forgot to set his linup on Monday and is still up 5-4.

Somehow I am up 7-1. If that holds and I have another good week then who knows - I may be back in it again.

What I did not like about Randolph is he is very poor in blocks. Marion gives you so many categories and Randolph only 2.

Tell me about it. But that was the old team and I had made some changes to improve it before the switch with Micro. Figure he forgot to set his linup on Monday and is still up 5-4.

Somehow I am up 7-1. If that holds and I have another good week then who knows - I may be back in it again.

What I did not like about Randolph is he is very poor in blocks. Marion gives you so many categories and Randolph only 2.


Yeah, Randolph doesn't offer many blocks and he turns the ball over like a point guard. It was killing me to have Iverson and Randolph together turning the ball over on average 5 times a game. However, Randolph did shoot in the upper 47% FG range and shoots 80% FT also he would have a monster game and score above 30 pts and 10 plus rebounds.

You still may have a chance. I would not give up just yet.

Yeah, Randolph doesn't offer many blocks and he turns the ball over like a point guard. It was killing me to have Iverson and Randolph together turning the ball over on average 5 times a game. However, Randolph did shoot in the upper 47% FG range and shoots 80% FT also he would have a monster game and score above 30 pts and 10 plus rebounds.

You still may have a chance. I would not give up just yet.

Average stats for a frontcourt guy except in the points/boards cat. if you need points and boards he is your guy.

Yeah, Randolph doesn't offer many blocks and he turns the ball over like a point guard. It was killing me to have Iverson and Randolph together turning the ball over on average 5 times a game. However, Randolph did shoot in the upper 47% FG range and shoots 80% FT also he would have a monster game and score above 30 pts and 10 plus rebounds.

You still may have a chance. I would not give up just yet.

If you're worried about TOs you should know that Yao turns the ball over just as much as Randolph, if not more.

If you're worried about TOs you should know that Yao turns the ball over just as much as Randolph, if not more.

true, but yao's curry line is much more respectable than randolphs.

If you're worried about TOs you should know that Yao turns the ball over just as much as Randolph, if not more.

Atleast Yao shoots above 50% FG and upper 80% FT and throws in some blocks and more assists. He is alot more balanced across the board than Randolph.

My last night with Wade on my roster. Tear in my eye. I love that guy. Yes I am still a Pistons fan. But he is a champion. In the mold of the MJs. Classy, talented, focused, smart. May I draft him again next year...

So is some one going to take a risk on him now, or wait to see how things play out. If you wait, I may still get him back this year.

See you in the consolation bracket FD! Along with all of the BOTTOM DWELLERS.

My last night with Wade on my roster. Tear in my eye. I love that guy. Yes I am still a Pistons fan. But he is a champion. In the mold of the MJs. Classy, talented, focused, smart. May I draft him again next year...

So is some one going to take a risk on him now, or wait to see how things play out. If you wait, I may still get him back this year.

You have me considering picking him up. :decision:

I think Wade is going to opt for surgery ending his season. I just think he rather get it fixed rather than try to rehab and then have it not be right and have to go and get surgery.

I think Wade is going to opt for surgery ending his season. I just think he rather get it fixed rather than try to rehab and then have it not be right and have to go and get surgery.

Last update I heard from this afternoon was that he has not decided yet. Seeking a 2nd opinion.

You have me considering picking him up. :decision:
I'm hoping that you pick him up, and dump one of your other guys so I can pick them up. Your worst player is better than my best.

But really, if you carry him for 6 weeks of DNPs, that might be enough to keep me in contention for the regular season title!

Best case, Wade will be back for the championship week. Don't think I'll make it there carrying him.


See you in the consolation bracket FD! Along with all of the BOTTOM DWELLERS.


I'd have to lose a 20 game lead in 4 weeks in order to slip in with the losers. Don't see that happening. 4th or 5th place. But I can't beat #1, so what's the point.

But I can't beat #1, so what's the point.

That doesn't sound like Pistons DNA to me. :wedgie:

There's no "I" in team, but I thought there was a "Man" in MainManJoeD. I guess I was wrong....;)

That doesn't sound like Pistons DNA to me. :wedgie:

There's no "I" in team, but I thought there was a "Man" in MainManJoeD. I guess I was wrong....;)

Yeah, losing the best fantasy player in the game has brought me down a bit. Even before I lost Wade, things weren't looking too rosy for a match-up against #1. My crack team of statistical experts let me know that I was in a world of hurt. I'd like to be optimistic, but I have a hard time being completely delusional.

That 8-1 week got me back in contention. Did not think it was possible. Now I have to beat Micro who has my old team. Think I may have made that team a little too good. We will see.

I am screwed!! Crawford breaks his ankle. David Lee is hurt and Diaw looks like his back is messed up. Okufur is hurt and now I see Stephen Jackson has a DNP. :yellowprison:

I am screwed!! Crawford breaks his ankle. David Lee is hurt and Diaw looks like his back is messed up. Okufur is hurt and now I see Stephen Jackson has a DNP. :yellowprison:

From a guy with a different perspective - Does it really matter right now? As long as your guys are healthy for the playoffs. Unless the bye week means a lot to you or it matters who your opponent is. Does not seem like there are any clear favorites.

Shaun Livingston is out for almost 2 years. Wow! Now that's an injury. Apparently he destroyed almost every ligament possible in his knee.

Shaun Livingston is out for almost 2 years. Wow! Now that's an injury. Apparently he destroyed almost every ligament possible in his knee.

That was an "ouch injury" and as soon as I saw it I knew that was going to long time to heal...I had him on my squad and waived him before the game was over.

He probably had his best game of the season last Saturday and appeared to be coming into his own... Clippers cannot survive the season with the alien cassel playing 30+minutes a game...They may need Flip jr.....

From a guy with a different perspective - Does it really matter right now? As long as your guys are healthy for the playoffs. Unless the bye week means a lot to you or it matters who your opponent is. Does not seem like there are any clear favorites.

It only takes a couple of 1-8 losses to fall in danger of losing a playoff spot. Crawford breaking his ankle hurts. He is done for the season no doubt. Also with Stephen Jackson breaking his toe I don't know when he is going to come back. Everybody else that is hurt is day to day.

That was an "ouch injury" and as soon as I saw it I knew that was going to long time to heal...I had him on my squad and waived him before the game was over.

He probably had his best game of the season last Saturday and appeared to be coming into his own... Clippers cannot survive the season with the alien cassel playing 30+minutes a game...They may need Flip jr.....


Livingston's career is over. No way he comes back especially being a point guard where he his needed to be quick and cut and run up and down the court.

To the person who dropped Maggette...

You may have saved my season. Thank you.

BTW, I need to trade someone from my Morrison/G.Wallace/M.Caroll Charlotte troup. Someone please make me an offer. I'm looking to get equal value for one of these players.

To the person who dropped Maggette...

You may have saved my season. Thank you.

No problem. Up until I'd dropped him he gave me a fat zero in the 2 D cats for the past 2 weeks. And no 3's. I already had one pts/rebs/no D guy in Juwan Howard, and his % were better. So Maggette got the chop. Plus he likes to turn the ball over. Shooters shouldn't do that. I know he doesn't belong on the waiver wire, but I just didn't need his services.

I reckon he is one of those guys whose real life value doesn't translate as well into fantasy value.

No problem. Up until I'd dropped him he gave me a fat zero in the 2 D cats for the past 2 weeks. And no 3's. I already had one pts/rebs/no D guy in Juwan Howard, and his % were better. So Maggette got the chop. Plus he likes to turn the ball over. Shooters shouldn't do that. I know he doesn't belong on the waiver wire, but I just didn't need his services.

I reckon he is one of those guys whose real life value doesn't translate as well into fantasy value.


The Clippers should trade Maggette. People forget 2 years ago this guy averaged 22 points a game shot near 90%FT and did shoot 3's. His role has changed coming off the bench.

No problem. Up until I'd dropped him he gave me a fat zero in the 2 D cats for the past 2 weeks. And no 3's. I already had one pts/rebs/no D guy in Juwan Howard, and his % were better. So Maggette got the chop. Plus he likes to turn the ball over. Shooters shouldn't do that. I know he doesn't belong on the waiver wire, but I just didn't need his services.

I reckon he is one of those guys whose real life value doesn't translate as well into fantasy value.

I thought the same thing when I had him. That guy misses so many games and he only gives you points.

Hope he works out better for you MOW, who knows with their point guard Livingston out he may step it up a notch.

I thought the same thing when I had him. That guy misses so many games and he only gives you points.

Hope he works out better for you MOW, who knows with their point guard Livingston out he may step it up a notch.

Maggette ranked 33rd overall last week by average. He's heating up.

A clash of the titans going on this week between #1 and myself. I have to say I'm enjoying this battle because both squads are playing well, and its reassuring to know that I still can match it with his squad. So I'm not all doom and gloom like MMJD. This championship is far from a foregone conclusion.
I'm really just hoping I can finish in the top 2 and guarantee myself a spot in the semis.

A clash of the titans going on this week between #1 and myself. I have to say I'm enjoying this battle because both squads are playing well, and its reassuring to know that I still can match it with his squad. So I'm not all doom and gloom like MMJD. This championship is far from a foregone conclusion.
I'm really just hoping I can finish in the top 2 and guarantee myself a spot in the semis.

Good for you...

You didn't just lose Dwayne Wade. But then again maybe I didn't either...

http://www.pistonsforum.com/detroit-pistons-general-discussion/6104-dwayne-wade-conspiracy-theory.html

A clash of the titans going on this week between #1 and myself. I have to say I'm enjoying this battle because both squads are playing well, and its reassuring to know that I still can match it with his squad. So I'm not all doom and gloom like MMJD. This championship is far from a foregone conclusion.
I'm really just hoping I can finish in the top 2 and guarantee myself a spot in the semis.

I am paying the price for making fun of Motown in the open league. I openly teased him nicknaming his team the MASH unit. The Hustlers are not Hustling anything. I have like 5 guy's out with injuries and had to cut a lose Jamal Crawford with his broken ankle.

A clash of the titans going on this week between #1 and myself. I have to say I'm enjoying this battle because both squads are playing well, and its reassuring to know that I still can match it with his squad. So I'm not all doom and gloom like MMJD. This championship is far from a foregone conclusion.
I'm really just hoping I can finish in the top 2 and guarantee myself a spot in the semis.

Glad you're being optimistic, but I wouldnt count on beating me (or even coming close). I have locked up three categories already - FT%, PTS & REB and you have all but locked up the 3PT cat.

I have a pretty good shot at overtaking the FG% and TO categories, so dont be surprised if I end up winning this one 7-2 or 8-1.

Good luck, just dont get your hopes up. :winner_first_h4h:

Glad you're being optimistic, but I wouldnt count on beating me (or even coming close). I have locked up three categories already - FT%, PTS & REB and you have all but locked up the 3PT cat.

I have a pretty good shot at overtaking the FG% and TO categories, so dont be surprised if I end up winning this one 7-2 or 8-1.

Good luck, just dont get your hopes up. :winner_first_h4h:

Just checked the scores. Both of you are putting up some impressive numbers. Looks like 4 categories are still too close to call.

Glad you're being optimistic, but I wouldnt count on beating me (or even coming close). I have locked up three categories already - FT%, PTS & REB and you have all but locked up the 3PT cat.

I have a pretty good shot at overtaking the FG% and TO categories, so dont be surprised if I end up winning this one 7-2 or 8-1.

Good luck, just dont get your hopes up. :winner_first_h4h:
Next year, all trades with #1 are banned.

Glad you're being optimistic, but I wouldnt count on beating me (or even coming close). I have locked up three categories already - FT%, PTS & REB and you have all but locked up the 3PT cat.

I have a pretty good shot at overtaking the FG% and TO categories, so dont be surprised if I end up winning this one 7-2 or 8-1.

Good luck, just dont get your hopes up. :winner_first_h4h:

I may have spoke too soon. Redd just dropped 52 on Chicago.

:nailbiting:

I may have spoke too soon. Redd just dropped 52 on Chicago.

:nailbiting:

You're done.

Nice one Webz. See FD, have faith. Noone is unbeatable in this game. I'm still planning on winning the championship. I won't give up until they usher me off the court.

Now THAT was some final day heroics from my guys. A couple of OT games certainly didn't hurt.

KG with a triple double, Kidd with a triple double, J-Rich 2 asts shy of a triple double. But actually it was the defensive stats that got me home.

Nice game #1. That was the best match of the year for me.

Big time congrats to the Wombats. Looks like there's two teams in this town. Should make for some interesting playoffs.

Now THAT was some final day heroics from my guys. A couple of OT games certainly didn't hurt.

KG with a triple double, Kidd with a triple double, J-Rich 2 asts shy of a triple double. But actually it was the defensive stats that got me home.

Nice game #1. That was the best match of the year for me.

Man that was disappointing for me. Looks like you've got a hell of a squad.

Probably the best trio in the league - KG, JKidd and Redd.

Big time congrats to the Wombats. Looks like there's two teams in this town. Should make for some interesting playoffs.

The quite assasin.

MP, that's a pretty crazy thing you just did, picking up Wade. Your team is already on the verge of crashing out of the top 6, and picking up Wade just might toss you out. They're saying that he might be back for the last couple of regular season games, which means that me might be a good pick-up during the last week of the two-week Yahoo championships. Its too risky to pick him up so soon, when you have so long still to go. I could possibly see #1 or Wombats picking him up now, but not you, MP.

I guess there's always a chance that he'll be back a lot earlier, but for my money, its too big a risk, especially since he probably will be brought back slowly even when he is back.

Of course I might be saying this to get you to drop him again, so I can get him. But I might not be. Proceed at your own peril.

MP, that's a pretty crazy thing you just did, picking up Wade. Your team is already on the verge of crashing out of the top 6, and picking up Wade just might toss you out. They're saying that he might be back for the last couple of regular season games, which means that me might be a good pick-up during the last week of the two-week Yahoo championships. Its too risky to pick him up so soon, when you have so long still to go. I could possibly see #1 or Wombats picking him up now, but not you, MP.

I guess there's always a chance that he'll be back a lot earlier, but for my money, its too big a risk, especially since he probably will be brought back slowly even when he is back.

Of course I might be saying this to get you to drop him again, so I can get him. But I might not be. Proceed at your own peril.

Nah, you couldn't persuade me either way. The reality is that I have a completely healthy squad. I can afford to have one player who is not outstanding or active...besides I've been playing footsie with that slot all season...for a moment like this. I've pretty much got through most of my tough matchups for the season. This is a no brainer for me. I will be champion.

...and you obviously haven't notice the jump in my team's stats since I've got Jamison and Pierce back. Not to mention Magette and Kwame Brown...which look to be strong pickups. You can cash in the season FD...but ain't no quit in the Cleaners!

Your conservative nature may have cost you a championship buddy.

Nah, you couldn't persuade me either way. The reality is that I have a completely healthy squad. I can afford to have one player who is not outstanding or active...besides I've been playing footsie with that slot all season...for a moment like this. I've pretty much got through most of my tough matchups for the season. This is a no brainer for me. I will be champion.

...and you obviously haven't notice the jump in my team's stats since I've got Jamison and Pierce back. Not to mention Magette and Kwame Brown...which look to be strong pickups. You can cash in the season FD...but ain't no quit in the Cleaners!

Your conservative nature may have cost you a championship buddy.

Blah, blah, blah.

My team, without Wade, really my only good fantasy player, would've beaten you 6-3 last week. #1 would've won 8-1 and Webz, 7-2. You're just not in with the elite, baby!

And carrying Wade so he can play in the last 2 games is not a smart decision.

Blah, blah, blah.

My team, without Wade, really my only good fantasy player, would've beaten you 6-3 last week. #1 would've won 8-1 and Webz, 7-2. You're just not in with the elite, baby!

And carrying Wade so he can play in the last 2 games is not a smart decision.

Jamison didn't return until Thursday. So obviously you didn't noticed the jump. ..and the 2 games you are speaking of is an assumption made by yourself so you don't look foolish for cashing in the season early. You dropped Wade before any information was revealed. The most I've heard from initial estimates is 6 weeks which places him available for the last two weeks of the season not 2 games. Dude, I've played fantasy b-ball enough to know that more than half of the players on the two managers teams that you claim are unstoppable might not even play the last 3 weeks of the season. Hell, Wade might be the only quality star getting run to get back in game shape. The teams that have an advantage will be the teams that have the hottest hands going into the playoffs. These are typically rookies (teams who have given up on the season let the young guys play) and injured stars trying to get back into game shape. If you have youth on your roster you are sitting in pretty good shape.

The only thing not elite in this league is your penchant for giving up so quickly. You could have easily been right there with Webz and #1 had you not decided crowning him champion with a 1/3 of the season left.

That my friend is foolish. Had Webz taken your approach he wouldn't have beaten #1 this week...would he? :sssh:

Rain on your own parade. I'm in it to win it.

No props to you for quiting and then hatin' on folks who are still figthing. I'm going to dedicate this championship to you.

Don't mind me. I'm just bitter that:

a.) I lost the best player in fantasy basketball this year thus ending all realistic chances of winning it all (and now you -my arch enemy- got him).

and
b.) fools let #1 get away with murder again this year (just like last year), making short-sighted trades. Hey everybody. Newsflash. If you trade with #1 your getting ripped. No doubt about it. He's just smarter than you.

But you and others before you are right. I should try to have a better attitude. Sorry bout that.


BTW. Hey, weren't we arguing with like two children at the beginning of the year, and then we made a bet before we played each other, and I smoked you, and you had to carry my jock for a week, then I smoked you again, the next time we played. Oh yeah. Highlight of my year.

Can't we all just get along?

I looked at all the trades #1 did. Apart from the vetoed Marion for West/Hinrich trade offer, none of the others were heavily balanced one way or the other.
I believe his pickup of Rashard Lewis off waivers was the main thing thats put him over the top. That is a top 10 fantasy player this season folks - for free. He did have to pick him up very early, but it was smart and a lesson I learnt for the rest of this season and next.
Also he played the waiver wire enough that a couple of other guys would work out for him, such as Delonte West and Danny Granger.

Now the trades.

Harrington
Nowitzki FOR

Gomes
D.Howard
Gordon
Jefferson

I give #1 props for getting a top 5 stud in this one. But Harrington is mostly garbage. D.Ho was beastly at this stage of the season but has tailed off. Ben Gordon is a 2 cat player, but very strong in those. RJ is well and truly over-rated fantasy player, but that doesn't mean junk, he is solid all-round. Gomes is also servicable. So Nowitzki is clearly the centre-piece here, but the other team got usable guys. This was basically a Nowitzki for Howard swap here. But I wouldn't say unfair. Had Howard been able to keep up his performance it might have been a different story.

Prince
Okur FOR

Crawford
J.O'Neal

I think #1 was trying to sell high on JO in case of injury I think. This is quite even, can't see any problems here. JO > Memo, but injury concern. Crawford and Prince are a wash.

Harrington FOR

David West
A.Parker

I think this is the most lopsided of the trades but not unfair. David West > Harrington quite easily but I think this was when he was injured. So smart play again.

There you have it. I agree, trade with #1 at your peril, but nothing here is really unfair. I wanted to trade with him many times because he has nice pieces I like, but I just didn't want to trade with another contender.

Don't mind me. I'm just bitter that:

a.) I lost the best player in fantasy basketball this year thus ending all realistic chances of winning it all (and now you -my arch enemy- got him).

and
b.) fools let #1 get away with murder again this year (just like last year), making short-sighted trades. Hey everybody. Newsflash. If you trade with #1 your getting ripped. No doubt about it. He's just smarter than you.

But you and others before you are right. I should try to have a better attitude. Sorry bout that.


BTW. Hey, weren't we arguing with like two children at the beginning of the year, and then we made a bet before we played each other, and I smoked you, and you had to carry my jock for a week, then I smoked you again, the next time we played. Oh yeah. Highlight of my year.

Can't we all just get along?

true. lol.

I'll take two losses during the regular season for a playoff win anytime though. :pray:

..and wouldn't it be great if you go down at the hands of a D-Wade performance, arch enemy? :caked:

I looked at all the trades #1 did. Apart from the vetoed Marion for West/Hinrich trade offer, none of the others were heavily balanced one way or the other.
I believe his pickup of Rashard Lewis off waivers was the main thing thats put him over the top. That is a top 10 fantasy player this season folks - for free. He did have to pick him up very early, but it was smart and a lesson I learnt for the rest of this season and next.
Also he played the waiver wire enough that a couple of other guys would work out for him, such as Delonte West and Danny Granger.

Now the trades.

Harrington
Nowitzki FOR

Gomes
D.Howard
Gordon
Jefferson

I give #1 props for getting a top 5 stud in this one. But Harrington is mostly garbage. D.Ho was beastly at this stage of the season but has tailed off. Ben Gordon is a 2 cat player, but very strong in those. RJ is well and truly over-rated fantasy player, but that doesn't mean junk, he is solid all-round. Gomes is also servicable. So Nowitzki is clearly the centre-piece here, but the other team got usable guys. This was basically a Nowitzki for Howard swap here. But I wouldn't say unfair. Had Howard been able to keep up his performance it might have been a different story.

Prince
Okur FOR

Crawford
J.O'Neal

I think #1 was trying to sell high on JO in case of injury I think. This is quite even, can't see any problems here. JO > Memo, but injury concern. Crawford and Prince are a wash.

Harrington FOR

David West
A.Parker

I think this is the most lopsided of the trades but not unfair. David West > Harrington quite easily but I think this was when he was injured. So smart play again.

There you have it. I agree, trade with #1 at your peril, but nothing here is really unfair. I wanted to trade with him many times because he has nice pieces I like, but I just didn't want to trade with another contender.

I concur with your analysis my friend.

There you have it. I agree, trade with #1 at your peril, but nothing here is really unfair. I wanted to trade with him many times because he has nice pieces I like, but I just didn't want to trade with another contender.

On the trades, its all about micro-inequities. 4 trades, all not overly-unfair, but added up, they make his team a lot stronger.

Really, what he's doing is drafting well, concentrating his talent through trades and then filling in the holes with key FA pick-ups. Mostly its just having a long-term plan. He's not picking up guys just to beat someone for one week, but slowly, methodically building a juggernaut. Did the same thing last year.

I agree webz, he has built his team through a lot of different shrewd moves, both trades, FA aquisitions, and a solid draft. What's your excuse?

I looked at all the trades #1 did. Apart from the vetoed Marion for West/Hinrich trade offer, none of the others were heavily balanced one way or the other.
I believe his pickup of Rashard Lewis off waivers was the main thing thats put him over the top. That is a top 10 fantasy player this season folks - for free. He did have to pick him up very early, but it was smart and a lesson I learnt for the rest of this season and next.
Also he played the waiver wire enough that a couple of other guys would work out for him, such as Delonte West and Danny Granger.

Now the trades.

Harrington
Nowitzki FOR

Gomes
D.Howard
Gordon
Jefferson

I give #1 props for getting a top 5 stud in this one. But Harrington is mostly garbage. D.Ho was beastly at this stage of the season but has tailed off. Ben Gordon is a 2 cat player, but very strong in those. RJ is well and truly over-rated fantasy player, but that doesn't mean junk, he is solid all-round. Gomes is also servicable. So Nowitzki is clearly the centre-piece here, but the other team got usable guys. This was basically a Nowitzki for Howard swap here. But I wouldn't say unfair. Had Howard been able to keep up his performance it might have been a different story.

Prince
Okur FOR

Crawford
J.O'Neal

I think #1 was trying to sell high on JO in case of injury I think. This is quite even, can't see any problems here. JO > Memo, but injury concern. Crawford and Prince are a wash.

Harrington FOR

David West
A.Parker

I think this is the most lopsided of the trades but not unfair. David West > Harrington quite easily but I think this was when he was injured. So smart play again.

There you have it. I agree, trade with #1 at your peril, but nothing here is really unfair. I wanted to trade with him many times because he has nice pieces I like, but I just didn't want to trade with another contender.

Excellent analysis.

On the trades, its all about micro-inequities. 4 trades, all not overly-unfair, but added up, they make his team a lot stronger.

Really, what he's doing is drafting well, concentrating his talent through trades and then filling in the holes with key FA pick-ups. Mostly its just having a long-term plan. He's not picking up guys just to beat someone for one week, but slowly, methodically building a juggernaut. Did the same thing last year.

I agree webz, he has built his team through a lot of different shrewd moves, both trades, FA aquisitions, and a solid draft. What's your excuse?

I made one trade with #1. Gave up Okur and Prince for J.O'Neal and Crawford. If that trade was unbalanced then I just don't know. That trade kind of kicked in the season for me and I was finally able to get out of last place. Gave me some much needed blocks and rebounds as I was later able to trade Crawford for Haslim. Then of course I later blew the whole thing up but thats beside the point.

The one guy I did help out was whoever I traded Carmello for Bibby/Darko to. That was a dumb move on my part.

The one guy I did help out was whoever I traded Carmello for Bibby/Darko to. That was a dumb move on my part.
You asked me about that trade and I still think it was a good one.

For sure none of us knew, but Melo did miss a ton of games, which basically would have cost you 3 or 4 weeks of the season.

You asked me about that trade and I still think it was a good one.

For sure none of us knew, but Melo did miss a ton of games, which basically would have cost you 3 or 4 weeks of the season.

True. At least Bibby and Darko have been playing better lately. Bibby had some pretty rough stretches when I had him. He was rehabing over the summer and could not work on his shot - so they say.

#1 just figured out early what most fantasy b-ball experts know...

1)Never trade a top 10 talent without getting one in return

2)Two for one deals generally suck for the player getting multiple players for one unless you are getting a player that has potential to outplay the premier player offered. With the free agency/waiver wire, the ability to obtain an average to above average player is high due to injury, trades, and lineup/coaching changes. Top 10 talent wins you championships and can only be obtained through shrewd trading and taking advantage of injuries that force Fantasy GMs to drop key personel.

3)You should always keep a roster spot available for stocking an injured player or swapping out for the hot player of the week

4)Selling high with an emerging or traditionally weak player is the best way to net a top name. There is a short list of all-star worthy players that you know will deliver top 25 like stats. Your goal from the beginning of the season is to get them on your team by any means necessary.

I haven't been successful with trades this year in either PF.com league (don't think I've had any), but in others this formula has netted me first place across the board.

Well played #1!

I agree webz, he has built his team through a lot of different shrewd moves, both trades, FA aquisitions, and a solid draft. What's your excuse?

Just drafted well in the early rounds I think. As you can see I've only made 11 moves for the season.
Got Kidd at #22. Took a risk in drafting Pau Gasol, but at pick #74, that is 3rd round production from a 7th round pick. My 6th round pick Jameer Nelson didn't work out and cut him. Lets see, my 9-13th round picks were all dropped. Only my 14th JR Smith worked out nicely.

Then waiver-wired my way to Marbury, M.Williams and J-Rich. I was pretty confident J-Rich would work out despite his poor season so far, because the hand injury let him rest that knee for a couple of months.

% are still a problem. I'm last every week in FG% and FT% is not great. Not good having almost 2 guaranteed cat losses every week.

#1 just figured out early what most fantasy b-ball experts know...

1)Never trade a top 10 talent without getting one in return

2)Two for one deals generally suck for the player getting multiple players for one unless you are getting a player that has potential to outplay the premier player offered. With the free agency/waiver wire, the ability to obtain an average to above average player is high due to injury, trades, and lineup/coaching changes. Top 10 talent wins you championships and can only be obtained through shrewd trading and taking advantage of injuries that force Fantasy GMs to drop key personel.

3)You should always keep a roster spot available for stocking an injured player or swapping out for the hot player of the week

4)Selling high with an emerging or traditionally weak player is the best way to net a top name. There is a short list of all-star worthy players that you know will deliver top 25 like stats. Your goal from the beginning of the season is to get them on your team by any means necessary.

I haven't been successful with trades this year in either PF.com league (don't think I've had any), but in others this formula has netted me first place across the board.

Well played #1!

Whoa, whoa, whoa...you're waaaaaay off, you clearly have no idea how to build a successful fantasy squad. ;)

And carrying Wade so he can play in the last 2 games is not a smart decision.

..and after alllllllll that I drop him. lmao!

Latest reports have him out 5-7.

That's another week down the drain. Can't risk it now.

Besides, I like having that flexible spot for the stretch run...I'm sure it will come in handy.

..and after alllllllll that I drop him. lmao!

Latest reports have him out 5-7.

That's another week down the drain. Can't risk it now.

Besides, I like having that flexible spot for the stretch run...I'm sure it will come in handy.

Oh Man! I was hoping that after all that razzing, you'd be forced to keep him and go down the drains! Glad for you that you ate crow and backed off.

Now I can pick him up!

Oh Man! I was hoping that after all that razzing, you'd be forced to keep him and go down the drains! Glad for you that you ate crow and backed off.

Now I can pick him up!

Enjoy my friend. lol.

Cause if you don't I'll surely get him before the finals stretch. ;)

Just inked this deal day before yesterday in my other league:

I get:
Amare Stoudamire
Caron Butler

I Gave:
Joe Johnson
Ricky Davis
Al Harrington

Needless to say, I am at the center of controversy. Seems to follow me around...

Just inked this deal day before yesterday in my other league:

I get:
Amare Stoudamire
Caron Butler

I Gave:
Joe Johnson
Ricky Davis
Al Harrington

Needless to say, I am at the center of controversy. Seems to follow me around...
Yeah I guess you are : Hot headed Stoudamire is 2 techs away from suspension/the Sheed rule, and Joe Johnson may be out for 3-4 weeks with a deep thigh injury.:sssh: He was my leading scorer after Wade went down in the other league and now I am without both at this key stretch when the season is winding down. :mad:

Congrats Dre- looks like you are about to secure the last playoff spot.

I think its over for me. Throwing in the towel. Probably just going to log on to set my lineups each week and check for injuries and whatnot. Trade deadline has passed.

For those of you still in contention - let the best team win. Hopefully everyone can stay injury free from now on.

Does not look like I will be able to set my lineups for the last week in March. I am going on vacation and there is no way that I can get to a PC.

Any ideas? Is there someway this can be overriden?

I believe you can set your lineups in advance as far as you want.

Does not look like I will be able to set my lineups for the last week in March. I am going on vacation and there is no way that I can get to a PC.

Any ideas? Is there someway this can be overriden?

If you are stuck, I can set them for you but you should be able to set them well in advance like Scoe' suggested.

If you are stuck, I can set them for you but you should be able to set them well in advance like Scoe' suggested.

You are right - just have to advance the tabs. - thanks.

Dwayne Wade, how do I love thee? Let me count the ways.

29ppg, 48%FG, 82% FT, 8 AST, 6 REB, 2 ST, 1 BL

Let's all shed a tear for Wade, and FD.

But really, can someone please explain to me how I'm still in second place after losing Wade my only good player, and still have a legit shot at the regular season crown? What's wrong with you people?

Too bad Webz and I don't get our chance to meet for a second time in the regular season. It coulda been for all the marbles.

Mostly what's wrong with #1? Looks like he's working on 3 straight losses. Can you explain yourself mister?

Hoping that I can avoid a playoff meeting with MoPri. After all the razzing I've given him this year, I just can't bear the thought of going down to him. I've got 5 bucks for someone if they take him out in the first week of the playoffs for me.

I've got 5 bucks for someone if they take him out in the first week of the playoffs for me.
I would be happy to help you part with those gold doubloons.

Dwayne Wade, how do I love thee? Let me count the ways.

29ppg, 48%FG, 82% FT, 8 AST, 6 REB, 2 ST, 1 BL

Let's all shed a tear for Wade, and FD.

But really, can someone please explain to me how I'm still in second place after losing Wade my only good player, and still have a legit shot at the regular season crown? What's wrong with you people?

Too bad Webz and I don't get our chance to meet for a second time in the regular season. It coulda been for all the marbles.

Mostly what's wrong with #1? Looks like he's working on 3 straight losses. Can you explain yourself mister?

Hoping that I can avoid a playoff meeting with MoPri. After all the razzing I've given him this year, I just can't bear the thought of going down to him. I've got 5 bucks for someone if they take him out in the first week of the playoffs for me.

Your TO's and FT% improved without Wade. Maybe that was enough. Have you been winning those lately?

Its not so much about the studs, its about the supporting cast. Wade can only play a max of 4 games a week out of a total of 45 or so. So thats a small % of games.

Pretty much every team is guaranteed to draft at least 3 studs. Its those waiver pickups (Biedrins) and guys who have breakout seasons (D.Williams) that you draft in the later rounds that make the difference.

Dwayne Wade, how do I love thee? Let me count the ways.

29ppg, 48%FG, 82% FT, 8 AST, 6 REB, 2 ST, 1 BL

Let's all shed a tear for Wade, and FD.

But really, can someone please explain to me how I'm still in second place after losing Wade my only good player, and still have a legit shot at the regular season crown? What's wrong with you people?

Too bad Webz and I don't get our chance to meet for a second time in the regular season. It coulda been for all the marbles.

Mostly what's wrong with #1? Looks like he's working on 3 straight losses. Can you explain yourself mister?

Hoping that I can avoid a playoff meeting with MoPri. After all the razzing I've given him this year, I just can't bear the thought of going down to him. I've got 5 bucks for someone if they take him out in the first week of the playoffs for me.

Wow, now you've resorted to hiring hitmen to do your dirty work. :pound: If Roscoe is the best you can muster, I'll make sure to buy a fly swatter. ;)

That Richard Jefferson pickup hasn't hurt you much either. That was a crazy week for free agency pickups. I had to choose between Jefferson and Maggette. Should have picked them both up, but that was just too many small forwards for my team and I was still searching for a point guard.

Mojo, beating you ain't no big thang. It's those darn LA DreBabys that drive me bananas.

Mojo, beating you ain't no big thang. It's those darn LA DreBabys that drive me bananas.

If that were true you wouldn't be looking at me with binoculars would ya, sport?

Those ain't binocs, those are my coke bottle glasses.

I'm telling mom!

Those ain't binocs, those are my coke bottle glasses.

I'm telling mom!

Doh!!!

You're such a tattle tell!

Its not so much about the studs, its about the supporting cast. Wade can only play a max of 4 games a week out of a total of 45 or so. So thats a small % of games.

Pretty much every team is guaranteed to draft at least 3 studs. Its those waiver pickups (Biedrins) and guys who have breakout seasons (D.Williams) that you draft in the later rounds that make the difference.

Yeah, waiver pick-ups have served me pretty well. I've picked up B. Roy, A. Jefferson, R. Jefferson, J Jack, J Nelson, J. Williams and A. Johnson.

Has anyone else added 7 guys to their team via FA acquisition?

Can anyone claim to have better pick-ups than the guys I mentioned?

Feedback.

Haven't had to do too much with free agency thus far. So here's my diamonds.

Stephon Marbury
Marvin Williams
Jason Richardson

Corey Maggette (later dropped - maybe a mistake, but not costly)


I've picked up B. Roy, A. Jefferson, R. Jefferson, J Jack, J Nelson, J. Williams and A. Johnson.


Al Jefferson and Roy are very nice pickups but the others aren't a whole lot to write home about. RJ is an over-rated fantasy player.

Yeah, waiver pick-ups have served me pretty well. I've picked up B. Roy, A. Jefferson, R. Jefferson, J Jack, J Nelson, J. Williams and A. Johnson.

Has anyone else added 7 guys to their team via FA acquisition?

Can anyone claim to have better pick-ups than the guys I mentioned?

Feedback.

I haven't done badly.

Aldridge, Biedrins, Maggette, Carroll and M. Moore. Tony Allen was a good pickup for me but he bit the dust.

You have me beat though.

#1 hasn't done too badly either with Delonte West, David West, Rashard Lewis, Nick Collison and Danny Granger.

Al Jefferson and Roy are very nice pickups but the others aren't a whole lot to write home about. RJ is an over-rated fantasy player.

A. Jefferson Fantasy pick-up of the year? Any other candidates?

A. Jefferson Fantasy pick-up of the year? Any other candidates?

I'll nominate Rashard Lewis if he helps me win it all.

I haven't done badly.

Aldridge, Biedrins, Maggette, Carroll and M. Moore. Tony Allen was a good pickup for me but he bit the dust.

You have me beat though.

#1 has doesn't too bad either with Delonte West, David West, Rashard Lewis, Nick Collison and Danny Granger.

Solid, MP.

#1 was great too, although David West was acquired by trade.

RJ is an over-rated fantasy player.

Actually, he's a fantasy stud, when he's healthy.

His averages for 2005/2006 are 20ppg, >80% from the line, 49% from the field, 7 REB, 4 AST, 1 ST, 1 3PT. Great numbers, really. I'm crossing my fingers that with NJ fighting for a playoff spot, he'll return to form this year.

A. Jefferson Fantasy pick-up of the year? Any other candidates?


I'd say Al Jefferson and Biedrins have a chance of being POY if we are talking about guys who went undrafted.

Lewis without a doubt for guys who were darfted, dropped, then picked up.

Actually, he's a fantasy stud, when he's healthy.

His averages for 2005/2006 are 20ppg, >80% from the line, 49% from the field, 7 REB, 4 AST, 1 ST, 1 3PT. Great numbers, really. I'm crossing my fingers that with NJ fighting for a playoff spot, he'll return to form this year.

Not saying he sucks but those aren't numbers to really rave about. Scoring is his strength. you couldn't say he excels in any other category. Top 70 fantasy player I reckon.

Not saying he sucks but those aren't numbers to really rave about. Scoring is his strength. you couldn't say he excels in any other category. Top 70 fantasy player I reckon.

He just gave you two other cats. He gets to the line alot and his field goal pct. is excellent for the amount of shot attempts he takes. Add 7 boards into the equation from a small forward and you've got a pretty awesome player.

He just gave you two other cats. He gets to the line alot and his field goal pct. is excellent for the amount of shot attempts he takes. Add 7 boards into the equation from a small forward and you've got a pretty awesome player.


meh, i guess i'm not sold. i want more 3's and/or steals from a SF.

and i just checked, those numbers were rounded up rather nicely. you might not say its much, but every 0.1 counts.

for 05-06 try 3.8 AST, 0.8 STL, 0.8 3PM and only 0.2 BLK. I need to see some D man!!

meh, i guess i'm not sold. i want more 3's and/or steals from a SF.

and i just checked, those numbers were rounded up rather nicely. you might not say its much, but every 0.1 counts.

for 05-06 try 3.8 AST, 0.8 STL, 0.8 3PM and only 0.2 BLK. I need to see some D man!!
For as athletic as he is, he should be giving more D. But Pts, %s, Ast were great, Reb/ ST average, 3Pt adequate. Not a bad waiver-wire pick-up, for sure.

Dwayne Wade, how do I love thee? Let me count the ways.

29ppg, 48%FG, 82% FT, 8 AST, 6 REB, 2 ST, 1 BL

Let's all shed a tear for Wade, and FD.

But really, can someone please explain to me how I'm still in second place after losing Wade my only good player, and still have a legit shot at the regular season crown?


MMJoe, we are still trying to figure out how Pat Rileys doing it too with the Heat? Do you have Shaq on your team??

Mojo, beating you ain't no big thang. It's those darn LA DreBabys that drive me bananas.

Roscoe in this league I have won five out of the last six weeks to get into the top six and now 5.5 games ahead of the pastor. Actually your microwaves were the only team to beat me in that stretch as I did outlast Mo and Fd the past two weeks. :stirthepot:

I am behind to Big Daddy right now this week, but I think I can over take him by Friday even with Labron James ailing :stirthepot:

Now the drebabys did knock you off twice the Open league:lol:

:stirthepot: Actually your microwaves were the only team to beat me in that stretch as I did outlast Mo and Fd the past two weeks.

Definitely didn't outlast FD in the last couple of weeks. I cleaned your clock twice this year. You must be refering to those scrubs Mo and #1.
:stirthepot: :stirthepot: :stirthepot:

:stirthepot:
Definitely didn't outlast FD in the last couple of weeks. I cleaned your clock twice this year. You must be refering to those scrubs Mo and #1.
:stirthepot: :stirthepot: :stirthepot:

I stand corrected, it was that scrub #1:)

Roscoe in this league I have won five out of the last six weeks to get into the top six and now 5.5 games ahead of the pastor. Actually your microwaves were the only team to beat me in that stretch as I did outlast Mo and Fd the past two weeks. :stirthepot:

I am behind to Big Daddy right now this week, but I think I can over take him by Friday even with Labron James ailing :stirthepot:

Now the drebabys did knock you off twice the Open league:lol:
With as many players as I have dropping or dnp I'll take the bet you smoke by me by tomorrow!:) Was ahead 7-2 last week then collapse, lost 3-6,this has been a bad year in this league for me. Looks like I'll hold onto 2nd in my other. Cross fingers.

Re: Peja

yeah, i mean hopefully after this week i can sew up a top 2 finish and get a bye for the first week of the playoffs.
so i've got that extra week to wait that won't hurt me. if he's not right by the start of week 2 he's gone.
little risk i think, and i didn't have to drop anyone good. i guess me or FD were th