INDIANAPOLIS (AP) -- Indiana Pacers player Stephen Jackson was hit in the mouth, struck by a car and fired a gun outside a strip club early Friday, police said. (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BKN_PACERS_GUNFIRE?SITE=MIPON&SECTION=BASKETBALL&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-10-06-08-24-50)

It's the lead story (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061006/LOCAL/61006001) at IndyStar.com right now.

It's reassuring to learn that the Pacers are well-armed as they carry weed and do late-night battle at strip clubs during training camp. You don't want those guys to get into any trouble that they can't get out of.

Aside from some techs and a little tazering here and there, our guys are squeaky clean. Makes me proud to be a Pistons fan today.

Probably time to dump him and send him off to the Jailblazers. The guy doesn't play much D and never met a shot he didn't like. 'Course, the guy CAN score.

What's that old saying?

The team that shoots up a strip club together plays together?:gun1::yellowprison:

What's that old saying?

The team that shoots up a strip club together plays together?:gun1::yellowprison:

:pound: :rofl:

What's that old saying?

The team that shoots up a strip club together plays together?:gun1::yellowprison:
LOL, yep it was a "team building" trip.
Seriously, with his track record I'm wondering if he might see some jail time... still on probation?

I don't really see this as a big deal. It's exactly what I would have done in that situation.

The tricky part is to make sure it doesn't go off during your lap dance.

I don't really see this as a big deal. It's exactly what I would have done in that situation.

The tricky part is to make sure it doesn't go off during your lap dance.

You guys are being to hard on Steve. He had his weapon registered and had a permit to carry it. He only fired the 5 shots after he got his butt kicked and after he got hit by the car and limped along in the parking lot. He pulled his pistol in self defense as the driver may have put the car in reverse and hit him again and burned rubber on his face. :gun1:

Personally if I was making mad loot like these guys there is no way I would be in a strip club with common thugs. These guy's make enough bread where they could have rented a room out for a private showing VIP only. They are just dumb.

And to top it off how come none of the other Pacers that also had guns tried to help him? He was straight up down to ride for his fellow teammates but when he needs some back up nobody had his back. WWRD- (What would Ron Do????)

PS> I wonder if these cats that beat down Jackson were from the D??

As Pistons fans I believe y'all should appreciate the fact that JAX is still missing his shots.:gun1:
Permitted, out at 3 a.m. and heading home. While I'm not defending JAX overall, the crime here was against the man, not by the man. Right?

I love the Pacers. They have been the best division rival since 1988. I was thinking the new honor may go to the Bulls or the Cavs, but with cool stories like this, the Pacers are keeping themselves in the hunt!

ski, Daniels already had been rumoured to have attitude problems. Are you sure it's a good idea for him to be running with the Pacers' G-UNIT?

Btw, did you know that Jermaine O'Neal's house has a secret "safe room" for his child/children to hide in case of emergency, and which doubles as a boys night room for card games? I read it in Dime Magazine last offseason. It's like a secret lair for wannabee gangsters.

All of those young urban Pacers are serious headcases out there in the cornfields...

ski, Daniels already had been rumoured to have attitude problems. Are you sure it's a good idea for him to be running with the Pacers' G-UNIT?

Btw, did you know that Jermaine O'Neal's house has a secret "safe room" for his child/children to hide in case of emergency, and which doubles as a boys night room for card games? I read it in Dime Magazine last offseason. It's like a secret lair for wannabee gangsters.

All of those young urban Pacers are serious headcases out there in the cornfields...

Maybe Jermaine's "safe room" is to put his kids in when the Pacers come over. :gun1::smiley-poker::gun1::gun1:

ski, Daniels already had been rumoured to have attitude problems. Are you sure it's a good idea for him to be running with the Pacers' G-UNIT?

Btw, did you know that Jermaine O'Neal's house has a secret "safe room" for his child/children to hide in case of emergency, and which doubles as a boys night room for card games? I read it in Dime Magazine last offseason. It's like a secret lair for wannabee gangsters.

All of those young urban Pacers are serious headcases out there in the cornfields...While I'm never certain of anything, let's all agree that there's more to what we know now.:cold:
Upscale club, lowbrows and professional fools mixing it. Thank God JAX has enough sense to fire off some warning shots.

Thank God JAX has enough sense to fire off some warning shots.

Amen to that. Perhaps he learned from his mistakes at the Palace?

Reports were that 2 other Pacer's players were also carrying guns but didn't brandish them. This could have gotten real ugly, real fast.

I love Canada. Very few people have guns. :)

The chances of getting your butt kicked are good, but shot? Not so likely. :D

Classic case of spreading the word before one has the facts.
Call me not surprised that Mercury broke it here.

What does that mean you funny little man? ;)

We aim for "enlightened" around here. Especially Merc!

As Pistons fans I believe y'all should appreciate the fact that JAX is still missing his shots.:gun1:
Permitted, out at 3 a.m. and heading home. While I'm not defending JAX overall, the crime here was against the man, not by the man. Right?
Yessir folks always jess come up to players and start beating on them for no reason... I'm feeling bad for the the kid... I mean what else could he do when he was mindin' his own bidness and the brother started wailin' on his coconut?... then you woke up.

Ok to fire warning shots?? Why would anyone need a gun?

This is quite foreign to me and scary that pretty much anyone can just carry weapons around, fire it off in public, and thats ok.

Ok to fire warning shots?? Why would anyone need a gun?

This is quite foreign to me and scary that pretty much anyone can just carry weapons around, fire it off in public, and thats ok.Yassah, and it's okay for some wannabe to try and run over anybody they want to, eh?
More of an indictment on strip clubs and the ID10Ts that frequent them.
No "funny man" here, simply a case of jumping to conclusions.
Anybody got somethin' he might call "facts"? That might be what's foreign here.
Definitely a PR nightmare for a team that doesn't need any more nightmares. However, if I want FOXNews, I'll view the FAUXNews channel. I'd expect more from a Pistons site.

I think webz is saying that in Australia, it's not normal for people to be packing heat whil they watch a skin dance and guzzle some swill.

You know, the Pacers would make AWESOME reality TV. Survivor: Terre Haute.

coming from Hawaii and San Francisco, the concept of firing like that is entirely foreign to me. But, since coming to Louisiana, I've learned that its pretty common to carry firearms. My co-workers have used them as deterents. The other two players had their weapons in their cars. I would make too big a thing out of it since they have permits.

Without understanding the threat level, its hard to judge Jax's decision.

As far as safe rooms go, its not an indication of a criminal lifestyle. or even a criminal wanna be lifestyle.

The state of Indiana has not only recently passed a law allowing legally permitted firearms to be carried in state parks but also you can get a lifetime permit to carry a handgun now.
Ya gotta love Indiana, if for no other reason than there's no law against being stupid....Yet.

Damn..........Now I know why the Pacers shorts are extra baggy only at the Palace since the brawl.

They are sending a message to Pistons fans. The Pacers better be careful though, I know some Piston fans that are very firearm savvy........:gun1:

As far as safe rooms go, its not an indication of a criminal lifestyle. or even a criminal wanna be lifestyle.
It's how I read the article perhaps. I should see if I can find it and send you a copy. You get the feeling that not all the basketball players feel comfortable or safe there, particularly the ones from urban environments. Again, just my perception.

From McCoskey's Weblog:
I am thinking Jackson's days in the NBA might be numbered. He was already on a zero-tolerance probation after the brawl and his other discretions.


Anyone know if hooch is still acceptable for NBA drug tests?
Of all the Pacers in the car... it must have been someone elses weed.

Ski...It quacks like a duck

I love Canada. Very few people have guns. :)

The chances of getting your butt kicked are good, but shot? Not so likely. :D

That is nice. Here, it's likely that you may get shot by someone who isn't able to kick your butt.

:rolleyes:

As far as those "warning shots" fired into the air, that's not a good idea either. Those shots come down, and I have one from an AK-47 lodged in the hood of my car. Could have been lodged in my head if the timing was right.

As far as those "warning shots" fired into the air, that's not a good idea either. Those shots come down, and I have one from an AK-47 lodged in the hood of my car. Could have been lodged in my head if the timing was right.

I was thinking about that also. Myth busters had a show on falling bullets impact and I believe it was far less than what we all had believed.

If Jackson had a permit to carry a fire arm then its a whole different matter and he may walk away from this. The fan that tried to run him over will be charged with vehicular assult if caught.

Why is it that NBA players can go to night clubs where there obviously has to be some altercations and it never gets to this? What happend inside that club to escalate it to that level?

Perhaps the Palace brawl provides some clues. Artest started it but Jackson was the 1st to take it to the next level by throwing punches at fans.

I was thinking about that also. Myth busters had a show on falling bullets impact and I believe it was far less than what we all had believed.



The bullet is still in the hood of my car. I will take a picture tommorrow and load it in this thread so you can see. It may not have killed me... but it may have.

A bullet shot straight up in the air will return down to Earth at the terminal velocity (where the force of gravity = the force of wind resistance). Since different objects have different ratios of weight to surface area, the terminal velocity varies between objects. It turns out that your average bullet has a terminal velocity of about 100 mph. This is fast, but not fast enough to kill you. It is like Zumaya throwing a bullet at you and having it hit tip first. Just for comparison, a Winchester rifle shoots the bullet out of the barrel at 1,924 mph.

Usually, when people die from bullets from the sky, they were not fired completely vertically. They maintained some of their horizontal velocity and probably hit at 200+ mph.

The bullet is still in the hood of my car. I will take a picture tommorrow and load it in this thread so you can see. It may not have killed me... but it may have.

Ok, I just have to ask. How the heck did an AK-47 bullet get lodged into the hood of your car? I want details!

Ok, I just have to ask. How the heck did an AK-47 bullet get lodged into the hood of your car? I want details!

I lived in Detroit.:gun1:


Honestly, it happened on New Years. I knew Detroit was heavily armed, but you just don't know how heavily armed until the clock strikes midnight. People were firing guns off everywhere, to the point that Mrs. Linwood and I were in the middle of the house away from the windows, in case some strays came our way.

The next morning when I went outside, there was a bullet stuck in the hood of my car. I don't know for sure that it is from an AK-47, but I have some hunting rifles, and it really looks about the same as a .308 which is very close to what an AK uses.

I will put a picture up here tomorrow, since the bullet is still in the hood of my car.

I lived in Detroit.:gun1:


Honestly, it happened on New Years. I knew Detroit was heavily armed, but you just don't know how heavily armed until the clock strikes midnight. People were firing guns off everywhere, to the point that Mrs. Linwood and I were in the middle of the house away from the windows, in case some strays came our way.

The next morning when I went outside, there was a bullet stuck in the hood of my car. I don't know for sure that it is from an AK-47, but I have some hunting rifles, and it really looks about the same as a .308 which is very close to what an AK uses.

I will put a picture up here tomorrow, since the bullet is still in the hood of my car.

WOW! Looking forward to seeing the pic of that!

Man, I live a sheltered life. All I get at midnight on NYE is some cheap champagne and a kiss from my wife. :laugh:

I lived in Detroit.:gun1:


Honestly, it happened on New Years. I knew Detroit was heavily armed, but you just don't know how heavily armed until the clock strikes midnight.

Does that still happen at midnight? I remember NY Eve at midnight in Detroit, and you are right it was like a warzone. It actually starts at around 1130-1145pm and lasts till 1215-1230am. The climax is right at midnight though.

You have to be nuts to be out on the street at midnight on NY Eve in Detroit!!!!!!!!!!

Does that still happen at midnight? I remember NY Eve at midnight in Detroit, and you are right it was like a warzone. It actually starts at around 1130-1145pm and lasts till 1215-1230am. The climax is right at midnight though.

You have to be nuts to be out on the street at midnight on NY Eve in Detroit!!!!!!!!!!

We went to a New Years Eve party at a friend's house in the 'burbs. We decided to call it a night and come home early to avoid the drunk drivers and ring in the night together at home.

We arrived home at about 11:45, and the bullets were just starting to fly. Damn, I forgot all about that! We ran inside the house and spent the next 30 minutes in the computer room (only one small window) listening to the :gun1::gun1::gun1:. At about 12:30, the semi and automatic weapons fire started to die down, and you could hear the occasional plink, plink, plink as the ordinance returned to Earth.

The next morning I went out to find a lovely souvenir for the new year imbedded in the hood of my car. My nieghbor got one too, and a couple of car windows were broken.

http://www.wrecktangle.net/images/Entry.JPG

http://www.wrecktangle.net/images/exit.JPG

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My AllHate team:

Stephen Jackson
Darius Miles
Antoine Walker
Jason williams
Damon Jones
Scot Pollard
Stephon Marbury
Tony Parker
Kwame Brown
Kobe Bryant
Alex Rodrieguez

Does that still happen at midnight? I remember NY Eve at midnight in Detroit, and you are right it was like a warzone. It actually starts at around 1130-1145pm and lasts till 1215-1230am. The climax is right at midnight though.

You have to be nuts to be out on the street at midnight on NY Eve in Detroit!!!!!!!!!!

Yes I recall the NYEves in Motown where you had to hit the floor at midnite to avoid a stray bullet. Even if you were going to NYE party you had to be there by 11:30 just to avoid the earlybirds and even then the midnight countdown was done laying down on the dance floor. 1979 was the last time I experienced that type of armywarfare.:gun1:

When I moved to LA we had the some shooting, but surprisingly not as bad as the motor city. Now living out here in Cucamonga for the past 15 years we can actually stand outside at midnight and watch the neighbors light firecrackers/fireworks without worrying about getting hit by a stray bullet.

Does Motown they still have that wild devils :icon_evil:night prior to Halloween?

My AllHate team:

Stephen Jackson
Darius Miles
Antoine Walker
Jason williams
Damon Jones
Scot Pollard
Stephon Marbury
Tony Parker
Kwame Brown
Kobe Bryant
Alex Rodrieguez

Ron Ron
Malone
MJ
Buck Williams
Zo
Jackson
J. O'Neal
Bill Cartwright
Danny Ainge
Parish

Yes I recall the NYEves in Motown where you had to hit the floor at midnite to avoid a stray bullet. Even if you were going to NYE party you had to be there by 11:30 just to avoid the earlybirds and even then the midnight countdown was done laying down on the dance floor. 1979 was the last time I experienced that type of armywarfare.:gun1:

When I moved to LA we had the some shooting, but surprisingly not as bad as the motor city. Now living out here in Cucamonga for the past 15 years we can actually stand outside at midnight and watch the neighbors light firecrackers/fireworks without worrying about getting hit by a stray bullet.

Does Motown they still have that wild devils :icon_evil:night prior to Halloween?

Surprisingly, Devil's Night seems to be a thing of the past. Mayor Archer started an Angel's Night campaign and encouraged people to get out and watch over their neighborhoods on the 30th. It was very effective.

Things just got worse for Jackson. The IndyStar reports that he is being hit with a number of charges (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061011/SPORTS04/610110528) including felony criminal recklessness. According to ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2621509), "The felony count carries a prison term of six months to three years."

Things just got worse for Jackson. The IndyStar reports that he is being hit with a number of charges (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061011/SPORTS04/610110528) including felony criminal recklessness. According to ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2621509), "The felony count carries a prison term of six months to three years."


Jax is done. He openly admitted he fired his weapon in the air 5 times. He should have been like it wasn't me!!:gun1: Also it does not help that Reggie Miller has come out against him. Reggie's comments about Jackson certainly will not help matters.

Well Ski, that "facts" are starting too surface... you didn't really think he got run over and a fat lip by trying to avoid confrontation did ya?
Conveniently the guy that's not in the NBA owned the hooch... he'll get a nice payday for his hush job.

Wow Linwood, nice souvenir! Its amazing how careless some people are.

From that ESPN article (highlighting added):

"Firing the shots in the air at that point is criminal recklessness," Brizzi said. "Those bullets, once they come up, have to come down, and they come down at least 90 miles per hour, and they do absolutely have the ability to take someone's life."

The IndyStar has posted a copy of the police report in .pdf format (http://www.indystar.com/assets/pdf/BG447041011.PDF). Here's an excerpt.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8412/reportdi5.jpg

These guys should talk to Larry Bird about getting a contract extension, because it sounds like they might be underpaid.

Don't these guys have wives, or mommas or something?

The IndyStar has posted a copy of the police report in .pdf format (http://www.indystar.com/assets/pdf/BG447041011.PDF). Here's an excerpt.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8412/reportdi5.jpg

These guys should talk to Larry Bird about getting a contract extension, because it sounds like they might be underpaid.

Ok, I haven't read the police report yet, but it looks like S. Jax is about to do some time and slam the door shut on his NBA career because

"A B?M with handcappied short arms started yelling about being a pimp and how none of the Pacers have $500."

This is much better than any fiction or comedy show. :pound:

Hey... maybe it was this guy talking trash to the Pacers:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/35/Tony_Cox_as_elf.jpg

I hope B/M means black man instead of a handicapped Bowel movement.

Ok, let me get this straight, The Pacers ran after some fans at the Palace that were drunk and overweight, but they had to draw guns for a handicapped black man, and his short accomplice.

Wow..........

Ok, let me get this straight, The Pacers ran after some fans at the Palace that were drunk and overweight, but they had to draw guns for a handicapped black man, and his short accomplice.

Wow..........

LOL! I hope the boys in the hood don't hear about this. These cats aren't looking too tough right now. Or smart! :pound:

Indy sportswriter Bob Kravitz was on PTI yesterday, and he said that the Pacers are actually hoping that Jackson ends up in jail now, if only to take the issue off their hands in some way. He's signed through 2010, and as Kravitz said, "nobody--and that includes Isiah Thomas--is going to want to trade for this guy." :laugh:

Allright, that crow is tough to stomach but it's eaten.
JAX is one nut, as you all told me way back after the brawl.
I'm not certain Kravitz speaks for the Pacers, but I can say that Brizzi (the prosecutor) is in a tough election race and if he succeeds at getting JAX convicted can his re-election be far behind?
I laughed when they claimed they were gonna DNA test the bit a marijuana to find out whose it is. And then Tins's bud stepped up!:sssh:

You're a pretty good sport Ski.

Indy will be interesting again for another year, off the court, and maybe on too!

After 2 years its unfortunate that the writers are given another chance to write about the brawl. Especially since Ben Wallace is no longer on the team.

This should be a seperate issue. I read that Jackson may have violated his paraole if he purchased the weapon while he was on it ( or something like that ) but thats the only real link.

Professinal Althletes do appear to get away with more than the avg person. Every so ofter you hear about some player throwing or punching someone in a nightclub and nothing ever happends. Maybe it will this time.

Seems to start with how much they can get away with in college that kind of creates an attitude of being above the law. Thats where this story belongs.

After 2 years its unfortunate that the writers are given another chance to write about the brawl. Especially since Ben Wallace is no longer on the team.

This should be a seperate issue. I read that Jackson may have violated his paraole if he purchased the weapon while he was on it ( or something like that ) but thats the only real link.

Professinal Althletes do appear to get away with more than the avg person. Every so ofter you hear about some player throwing or punching someone in a nightclub and nothing ever happends. Maybe it will this time.

Seems to start with how much they can get away with in college that kind of creates an attitude of being above the law. Thats where this story belongs.

I totally agree Max.

Somebody needs to be the escapegoat here. If Jackson was made to do some time, I guarantee it will make others think about there actions off of the court.

I totally agree Max.

Somebody needs to be the escapegoat here. If Jackson was made to do some time, I guarantee it will make others think about there actions off of the court.

To clarify the issue here is if he broke his parole by purchasing a firearm while on parole. The State of Michigan and Oakland County take parole violations very seriously.

While on Parole you are free to continue your life but not totally free. There are extra restrictions that you must follow. One of them is not owning a firearm. If you, I or anyone else on this forum did that then we would also be in violation.

Looks like Jackson did not take it very seriously. He went in front of a judge and agreed to these terms in order to avoid jail time and he then broke them.

On the nightclub incident. Not sure whats going to happen with that. I don't think a recognizable public figure should be putting himself in that kind of situation in the 1st place. Thats for the State of Indiana to figure out.

Actually he was on Probation not Parole. What do I know. Guess the same still applies for Probation. Pacers will be a non-factor either way.

The Pacers could be our toughest competition this year... they have physical mismatches at 3 positions (If Jax ain't in the pen)... I can see them posting us up a lot.... If Ben had trouble keeping Foster off the boards you can imagine how it will be for Nazr.
If this team is healthy they're as talented as anyone in the East (big if).

The Pacers could be our toughest competition this year... they have physical mismatches at 3 positions (If Jax ain't in the pen)... I can see them posting us up a lot.... If Ben had trouble keeping Foster off the boards you can imagine how it will be for Nazr.
If this team is healthy they're as talented as anyone in the East (big if).

Yes thats very true. People forget that O'Neal missed a lot of games and Tinsly most of the season. Plus they did get Harrington back who will be a better fit for them than whats his face.

They don't really need Jax if Sarunas can step up. Definetly want to watch out for the Pacers this season ( if they can stay healthy ).

( if they can stay healthy ).

And out of prison.

But kidding aside, I've always been leery of the Pacers. They always battle the Pistons hard. They won't be pushovers thats for sure.

I agree with everyone who says be wary of the Pacers. As a matter of fact, they will be a top seed in the east, along with Detroit, Miami and Cleveland.

With Chicago, the beloved NJ Nets, The Wiz, and Orlando rounding out the bottom eight, perhaps not in that order.

Im ready..........

Yes thats very true. People forget that O'Neal missed a lot of games and Tinsly most of the season. Plus they did get Harrington back who will be a better fit for them than whats his face.

They don't really need Jax if Sarunas can step up. Definetly want to watch out for the Pacers this season ( if they can stay healthy ).

When has Tinsely and O'Neal ever stayed healthy? These guy's are fragile. The only thing you can count is that Tinsley will injure a foot or elbow and sit out 50 games and O'Neal will develop some chronic pain somewhere on his body and play through the pain for a month or so before giving in to the pain and missing 20 or more games.

The bullet is still in the hood of my car. I will take a picture tommorrow and load it in this thread so you can see. It may not have killed me... but it may have.

Woman's Bra Blocks Celebratory Bullet - Local News (http://www.local6.com/news/10680627/detail.html)

Funny story about a falling bullet this new year's eve.

I guess her bra is tougher than your car Linwood.

Woman's Bra Blocks Celebratory Bullet - Local News (http://www.local6.com/news/10680627/detail.html)

Funny story about a falling bullet this new year's eve.

I guess her bra is tougher than your car Linwood.

LOL! The first thing that came to mind was the Junior H.S. phrase: tough tits.

LOL! The first thing that came to mind was the Junior H.S. phrase: tough tits.

Lol. What Junior High did you go to?

The School of Hard Knockers.

The School of Hard Knockers.
Ha ha ha :cheerleader: hitem again harder. lol

Jermaine is making some malcontent-type noises (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2722352):

"If I can't take this team to another level, I truthfully believe we should go our separate ways at the end of the season," said O'Neal, according to the Indianapolis Star. "I'm saying in general, the bottom line is you play to win. If we don't have a system set to win a championship, if we don't have the crew to win a championship, then what are we doing?"

"I'm getting to the point, I'm in my 11th year, I don't want to play 82 games and then exit to watch somebody else pop champagne. ... I'm tired of that. I want to compete for a championship. If we can't do it, that's a whole [different] story."

http://chaos.able-towers.com/%7Emagicrat/modelcitizen.jpg

(Still love you, Ron)

Jermaine is making some malcontent-type noises (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2722352):Yeah, but it's refreshing to see him speak of "this team" instead of "my team." Think maybe someone put a thought in his head?
Now if he could learn the "our team" phrase, it could work?