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Looking for Carlos to have a great game.

Is this game on NBA TV or any other channel?

It's on Det 20 local. Not sure about other channels DLev. :(

It's on Det 20 local. Not sure about other channels DLev. :(

Thx Roscoe. I don`t think it`s on League Pass either, the radio broadcast that is.

Box score

Pistons vs. Nuggets (http://www.nba.com/games/20061022/DENDET/boxscore.html)

More to come later, time permitting...

I don't mind this. It will force the coaching staff to make the team practice on defense.

I am HATING on Delfino's line...1-5? I hope there was a reason for that like 3 of them came at the end of each quarter.

Delfino. His shot is broke, I am tired of hearing excuses. Most of his shots were really long, 3 point range. He's lacking a pull up jumper which means he either drives and dishes or jacks a long one. Occasionally he finishes if the defense gives it to him.

Kinda ironic, Greg Kelser and Eli Zaret beat him up in the postgame, and Blaha stood up for him, but George is a team spokesperson and goes a little overboard trying to keep it light.

Will Blalock looked terrible out there. Completely overmatched (sic) by Earl Boykins.

I don't mind this. It will force the coaching staff to make the team practice on defense.
The P's rebounded better, had a lot of blocks, but fewer steals. What stands out is Flips and Delfino's horrible shooting percentages. Delfino's shooting has been consistently suckacious. Flip was 3-13. Was he trying to show us his support for detroit by reppin the area code??

Delfino piece from Halftime

YouTube - Delfino Feature Oct 22 2006 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKTXugxPt84)

Delfino. His shot is broke, I am tired of hearing excuses. Most of his shots were really long, 3 point range. He's lacking a pull up jumper which means he either drives and dishes or jacks a long one. Occasionally he finishes if the defense gives it to him.


i'll say that delfino is in a shooting slump. i just think he refuses to take enough shots to get himself out of it. his shot looks good when he releases it. i think he looks to pass too much to be a good shooter right now. he's at a point in his career when shooting is an afterthought that's why not so many go in. he is usually shooting because he's sooooo wide open or the shot clock is running down. i think his shot will get better when he learns to pick his spots.

1-7...sorry but you gotta work that out in practice. And he's open for a reason lol.

Your in a shooting slump, so you shoot a bunch of 3's? Huh? Delfino, some advice, stop shooting, unless it's a bunny. You're starting to make me look bad.

Thanks Roscoe. It must suck to spend most of your salary on your buyout.

I'd make a highlight video but it's mostly the Nuggets scoring on fast breaks. The Pistons did not play well for the most part.

I'm not sure what Flip is using these games for, but the starters are not looking very sharp except Nazr who is hustling around like the energizer bunny.

Btw, Sheed got injured, came back in and then wasn't seen again. No idea what is wrong except it may be his GROIN.

What part again Roscoe?

You lost me.

Btw, Sheed got injured, came back in and then wasn't seen again. No idea what is wrong except it may be his GROIN.
They said on the radio that he was kicked in the groin (not a pull)... he was held back only as a precaution.

I'd like to know who specifically was not getting it done on defense... I know Blalock had it handed to him by lil Earl.
I heard they were outscored by 18 pts off turnovers.
On a good side Brahma won the battle with Mr. Max contract Kmart.

Kleiza got the better of Delfino IMO.

Nene had his way with whoever he wanted for most of the first half.

Prince played Melo tough, and they went back and forth at one another (rivalry) but it seemed like Melo got the best of Tay in the end, albeit by a little.

JMax got abused by Martin when he was guarding him and didn't really score a lot on KMart. The stat line is in JMax's favor, but I'd say KMart is still the teacher and JMax the student.

Blalock, rough day at the office.

I can't say that Flip Murray was particularly good.

And Billups allowed a lot of penetration. Way too much Andre Miller dancing around in the paint for my liking. Denver has too many scorers to allow a so-so finisher like Miller to set up his perimeter scorers.

This isn't defense specific but Dice is just slow. I know I am probably approaching "player hater" territory, but he hasn't been very good in the last year, and I see more of the same. Ill-timed fouls, slow rotations, passive defense and even more passive offense.

The Nugs have our #. It's like 2004 all over again with the Nets. Billups has to be a hot outside shooter (see last year's Suns away game) and the team has to rebound and make hustle plays to hang with these fun'n gun squads. Quite simply, this is not a very fast team. Athletic as all get out, but not very quick.

delfinos english is pretty bad

I should add that the Pistons zoned ineffectively. Denver seemed to make their treys and long jumpers off ball movement when the Pistons zoned.

Betweening typing in chat and trying to take the game in, it's hard to catch nuances. If it was a better game, I would probably watch it again.

I didn't see the game, but heard most of the audio. Seems like it was run and gun inside and out. The Nuggets took 25 - 3's and hit 10 of them. The Pistons hit two. That was the difference in terms of the scoring differential.

Even though we were beating them on the boards they were still outpacing us to the tune of 34-13 in FB points.

We won the points in the paint battle 60-52, but we should never give up that many points in the paint. Sheed was missing with the groin injury and apparently the newbies were only interested in scoring points and their defense still needs to be develped. Our 60 PIP mostly came from those newbies, AJ, JMAX and finally Dupree in the end as we know he is hard press to make a shot outside 10 ft.:)

Hopefully when the season starts, Delfino stops practicing his 3 ball and looks for some Dupree-like high percentage shots!!

Like what brahma -max has done in the preseason and he should get at least 10-12 mins per game to start the season.

Rebirth of the "Excuse Club:"


1) delfino is in a shooting slump.

2) he refuses to take enough shots to get himself out of it.

3) his shot looks good when he releases it.

4) he looks to pass too much to be a good shooter right now.

5) he's at a point in his career when shooting is an afterthought that's why not so many go in.

6) he is usually shooting because he's sooooo wide open or the shot clock is running down.

WOW! Six excuses in one post! You're on a roll bball-jay! :burp:

Flip was 3-13. Was he trying to show us his support for detroit by reppin the area code??

:laugh:

Rebirth of the "Excuse Club:"



WOW! Six excuses in one post! You're on a roll bball-jay! :burp:

Yep, a sure fired way to make me not lilke a player is to hear bball-jay make ridiculous excuses for their ability not to perform.

Anyway, I hope Delfino's "shooting slump" that has seemingly lasted multiple seasons ends soon. Unfortunately, I didn't watch the game, but his consistently poor field goal percentage is begiinning to erk me a bit.

Was at the game last night. Acquired two $175 tickets. One hundred seventy five dollars doesn't buy you much any more! Glad I didn't have to pay for them. Also, did you know that if you buy a bottle of water (for $3) you don't get to keep the cap. Something about a league rule to keep people from throwing the caps. I'll bring my own cap next time - if there is a next time.

Enough complaining about the venue. Let me do some complaining about the team. We still haven't acquired any jump shooting or point guard help. Denver has way better outside shooting than we do - and we're supposed to be a jumpshooting team? I know Rip and Chauncey didn't play much - but if they're not in the game or are having off nights, we're in trouble, particularly against a zone defense like we saw last night.

Earl Boykins created havoc for us in the open court - knocking the ball away from us. I'd obviously rather have him than Blaylock and Lindsay. We'll have to depend a lot on Lindsay again this year.

Amir got pushed a around in his first appearance. Played with more "force" in the second half. Was desprately trying to gage his height against other players, but struggled to form a conclusion. He seemed as tall as Jamal Sampson of the Nuggets and he's listed on Hoopshype at 6'11''.

Maxiell is what he is. He was reasonably productive last night, but I'd like to see how he does against a bigger team. Denver isn't very big up front.

Same old frustrations with Defino. He handles himself on the court well, but doesn't put the ball in the basket. He couldn't even make his free throws. Why can't he make free throws?

Dysse just isn't a particulary good defender. He knocked down some shots, though.

Dupree seems to be effective in his limited role. I like having him on the roster.

Liked what I saw from Nazr. He has a presence around the rim. He rebounds and keeps loose balls alive around the rim. And he can actually score in the post.

Didn't notice much impact from Flip Murray. They seemed to be trying him out at point guard. I suppose he did resonably well.

Rip Hamilton is a nice player.

The team didn't appear to be having much fun.

During timeouts, Flip and his assistants would huddle at the free throw line before Flip addressed the team. Flip really looks small standing with those assistants. I wonder if he's got a strong enough personality to command the respect of his assistants - not to mention the guys on they team.

Thanks KP. That's a useful review.

This isn't defense specific but Dice is just slow. I know I am probably approaching "player hater" territory, but he hasn't been very good in the last year, and I see more of the same. Ill-timed fouls, slow rotations, passive defense and even more passive offense.


dice blocked several shots and knocked down some j's with his slow self. it's preseason dice is just starting to get into the flow. he's started off slow every year. we never should have traded arroyo.

Yep, a sure fired way to make me not lilke a player is to hear bball-jay make ridiculous excuses for their ability not to perform.

Anyway, I hope Delfino's "shooting slump" that has seemingly lasted multiple seasons ends soon. Unfortunately, I didn't watch the game, but his consistently poor field goal percentage is begiinning to erk me a bit.

it's not crazy to think that delfino just chooses bad times to shoot. if he was a volume shooter like arenas he would put up 20 points a game. delfino usually shoots with the clock running down or there are no passing options. kinda like when you jump to pass it usually ends up being a bad pass. delfino shoots a bad percentage but he gets everybody else on the floor high percentage shots.

the jumper will start falling. it's just preseason that's what it's here for.

it's not crazy to think that delfino just chooses bad times to shoot. if he was a volume shooter like arenas he would put up 20 points a game.

What small forwards/guards in the NBA can't put up 20 points given Arenas's volume of shots. I would agree with you that shot selection is important, but if you choose bad times to shoot and when you do shoot it you often miss, isn't that the definition of a bad shooter?

What small forwards/guards in the NBA can't put up 20 points given Arenas's volume of shots. I would agree with you that shot selection is important, but if you choose bad times to shoot and when you do shoot it you often miss, isn't that the definition of a bad shooter?

i wonder about the cause of Delfino's bad shot selection. last year, remember, he seemed to have the feeling that you had to shoot (i.e. Delk) a lot when on the court to get minutes in Flip's system. now this year he has the minutes, but I'm sure he's relatively low on the options list in their offensive sets. so perhaps he winds up open with the ball at the end of possessions and is sort of schizoid about whether to shoot or not (i.e. his lingering sense that he must shoot to play makes him shoot, while his sense that he's got the minutes and isn't a high option makes him not want to shoot). if so, that sort of mental thing would definitely add poor results to already poor selection. just a thought.

delfino will play better when there's a couple starters in the game and not 5 bench guys. he shouldn't feel pressured to score and can instead focus on the things he does well.

i wonder about the cause of Delfino's bad shot selection. last year, remember, he seemed to have the feeling that you had to shoot (i.e. Delk) a lot when on the court to get minutes in Flip's system. now this year he has the minutes, but I'm sure he's relatively low on the options list in their offensive sets. so perhaps he winds up open with the ball at the end of possessions and is sort of schizoid about whether to shoot or not (i.e. his lingering sense that he must shoot to play makes him shoot, while his sense that he's got the minutes and isn't a high option makes him not want to shoot). if so, that sort of mental thing would definitely add poor results to already poor selection. just a thought.

I buy that professor. Its just that in watching the talent that doesn't ever make it to the NBA, I thought that shot selection and the ability to make shots under intense pressure were some of the qualities that seperated the elite from the wannabees. (at least as it pertains to players who are not strictly defensive specialists) He needs to start nailing those jumpers. Missing free throws is not helping his case either. He doesn't need to give Flip any more incentive to underutilize the bench.

I buy that professor. Its just that in watching the talent that doesn't ever make it to the NBA, I thought that shot selection and the ability to make shots under intense pressure were some of the qualities that seperated the elite from the wannabees. (at least as it pertains to players who are not strictly defensive specialists) He needs to start nailing those jumpers. Missing free throws is not helping his case either. He doesn't need to give Flip any more incentive to underutilize the bench.

agree 100 %. i intended it as a possible explanation, certainly not as an excuse.

I should add that the Pistons zoned ineffectively. Denver seemed to make their treys and long jumpers off ball movement when the Pistons zoned.

Betweening typing in chat and trying to take the game in, it's hard to catch nuances. If it was a better game, I would probably watch it again.
COME...COME TO THE DARK SIDE

Thanks KP. That's a useful review.
WHAT? U mean the part about the bottle cap?:rolleyes:

i wonder about the cause of Delfino's bad shot selection. last year, remember, he seemed to have the feeling that you had to shoot (i.e. Delk) a lot when on the court to get minutes in Flip's system. now this year he has the minutes, but I'm sure he's relatively low on the options list in their offensive sets. so perhaps he winds up open with the ball at the end of possessions and is sort of schizoid about whether to shoot or not (i.e. his lingering sense that he must shoot to play makes him shoot, while his sense that he's got the minutes and isn't a high option makes him not want to shoot). if so, that sort of mental thing would definitely add poor results to already poor selection. just a thought.
where IS Tony Delk? I would take a reg season Delk over Delfino in a minute!

WHAT? U mean the part about the bottle cap?:rolleyes:
A live game report from someone with a sharp pair of eyes.

where IS Tony Delk? I would take a reg season Delk over Delfino in a minute!
Delk is playing in Europe this season.