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An unscientific poll conducted Tuesday before the Griz played the Chicago Bulls revealed that teammates and coaches were routinely impressed by Warrick's work ethic and all-around improvement, and Roberts' approach behind closed doors and rebounding prowess in games.
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Geez folks. Don't get too excited about this one... :rolleyes:

Delfino played 28 minutes and didn't score. Plus, Dahntay Jones kicked his hiney in the second half.

I didn't get to see this one, but I was excited about the Brahma's consistent scoring stat line.

Looking at the scores, it looks like the starters (esp. Tay) took the night off and let the kids play. 4 blocks from Amir could make him a living legend around these parts. I heard from the chat folks (roscoe) that Flip Murray looks pretty good. That's certainly encouraging.

Box Score (http://www.nba.com/games/20061025/MEMDET/boxscore.html?nav=scoreboardhome)

Recap (http://www.nba.com/games/20061025/MEMDET/recap.html)

Homer Recap from Keith Langlois (http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/MEMDET_061025_recap.html)

Box Score (http://www.nba.com/games/20061025/MEMDET/boxscore.html?nav=scoreboardhome)

Recap (http://www.nba.com/games/20061025/MEMDET/recap.html)

Homer Recap from Keith Langlois (http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/MEMDET_061025_recap.html)

I just read the Homer Recap. Keith mentions the fact that the Pistons frontcourt grabbed two rebounds in a combined 59 minutes. Tayshaun says they are used to Ben going after it, so they will have to start working on rebounding.

I know that it's only the preseason, but 2 rebounds in 59 minutes scares the hell out of me.

After 7 or 8 games in the preseason, one week out from the real deal, it's time to practice?

URGH!

I just read the Homer Recap. Keith mentions the fact that the Pistons frontcourt grabbed two rebounds in a combined 59 minutes. Tayshaun says they are used to Ben going after it, so they will have to start working on rebounding.

I know that it's only the preseason, but 2 rebounds in 59 minutes scares the hell out of me.
Yeah, the rebounding is pretty scary. I was worried when I saw the 23-47 differential overall, but 2 for the starting frontcourt in 59 minutes is just pathetic.

On the plus side, Amir Johnson blocked shots at a rate of 21 per 40 minutes.

How did Nazr not get a single rebound? What kind of way is that to prove to the critics that you can replace Ben Wallace?

Here is the strange part from the box score:

We got outrebounded by 24!!!
Yet we had 20 more field goal attempts and hit 4 threes to their 0!!!

The difference was that they shot a ton of free throws.

Now I didn't see the game, but if JMAX only gets 1 free throw, then Stern must have been one of the refs.

Yeah, the rebounding is pretty scary. I was worried when I saw the 23-47 differential overall, but 2 for the starting frontcourt in 59 minutes is just pathetic.

On the plus side, Amir Johnson blocked shots at a rate of 21 per 40 minutes.

I guess it doesn't matter as long as you make all your shots. And if you aren't making all your shots, just shoot more. You will eventually get into the groove.

In all seriousness: I'm trying to keep a positive attitude. But c'mon, rebounding is fundamental. These guys gotta get on it.

Memphis should be in the lotto this year... nice effort and contribution from the bench...NOT...and without their best player.
Maybe a loss is what's needed to jumpstart some active practices before the season... that's two games in a row that Delfino got his ass handed to him on defense.... not that Dupree did any better the day before.
Have to say I'm starting to agree with Roscoe about Dice... looking old.
Well this preseason was about building the bench so some losses should be expected.

Jason Maxiel is making Antonio McDyess look like serious trade bait (but I think he has some sort of no trade thing in his contract). A package of Dyess+Delfino could get us a pretty decent player.
My 2 cents:
Looking at Nazr play the center position really makes me appreciate how physically gifted Ben Wallace is. Man we took some of the things that Ben did completely for granted, the fact is that is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to measure Ben Wallace's contributions.
Nuff on 'dat
Flip Murray is EXACTLY what the doctor ordered. Dude I had almost forgotten what dribble penetration looked like (offensively, at least; Lord knows our perimeter defense sure as heck have no clue how to stop dribble penetration), and in addition to Flip there's Will Blalock, Earl the Squirrel Boykins may have taken it to him the other night, but man Will knows how to run the point, oh baby he's gonna be nice. Our second unit and young players are really FUN to watch and they'll make great debates this season.
I pray Amir keeps working, the sky is the limit for this kid, he's full of potential.
But the man of the hour is Jason Maxiel, MAN!!! he's a force. A low post presence that likes to score around the basket....go figure, a power forward that seeks contact and high percentage shots, a rarity in today's NBA.
Attn: Darko and his LOYAL followers, the Brahma is showing you how you to get PT. MAXIEL is the last Piston we have on this team. The Goin' to Work Crew is Looooooong gone but the Brahma is the last of the Mo'Ricans (see Al Pacino). It's kinda like a horror movie where you think you kill all the creatures and just before the credits roll one pops up so you can make a sequel.

Delfino gets a pass on this game. Played 46 minutes last night. Have to wonder what the Heck was going through Flip's mind. Almost like he was setting him up for failure.

What worries me are the shots Flip and JMax are taking. It's like Flip is telling everyone, forget about team play, take the shot, shoot, shoot, shoot. Thankfully we still have are core, but the Flip/JMax blackhole is starting to scare me. Don't know the record, but this team could set a record for the fewest assists ever.

16 mile I couldn't disagree more. What this bench, heck any bench for that matter, is a player or players that will come in and be assertive and begin to make make an immediate impact on the game. For the past few years the only players that have doen that were Lindsey Hunter (and usualy not in a good way). When it comes to your bench you can't have guys that come in and just let the game come to them, you need players that come in ready to fill it up. As a bench player you don't have 30+ mpg to flow and make your impact, you only have about 12-15 mins to get it going, and Maxiel and Flipp are exactly whats needed to come of that bench and get it done.

I didn't see the game but tuned into the audio just before the half. The stat at the time indicated that even though the Pistons were up 2 at the time they were getting pummuled in the paint 30-18. Looks like we held them to only 10pts the rest of the way as they finished with 40-34 advantage.

The lack of rebounding by the Pistons and the foul descrepancy was the difference in the game, but it sounded like the Pistons just came out flat to be the third and the grizz seldomed missed and if they did, they still got to the free throw line.

They have played 8 games now. Tay and Sheed have to realize that Ben is not there to grab any boards for them and they have to attack the rim in the paint at both ends of the court.

What happen to Delfino? 0-5?? Did he attempt any shots in the paint? Not even a FT attempt. I appreciate getting the ball to the open man, but what happen to driving to the rim for high % shot and at least drawing a foul? In each game he s taking more 3ball attempts that the conventional shot.

CB had no FT attempts either. He is the best FT shooter on the team and will need to post smaller guards up to get to the FT line more often if it means getting free points on the board. DWade, and AI get 8-10 FTA a game, and as in Wade's case it work's well enough in the post season to advance your team along to even getting a ring!!! :(

went to the game but got there at halftime. it was really an atrocious effort, and everyone was a step slow. i think a lot of the bench players were tired from the night before and not used to so many minutes or a back-to-back.

maxiell was 7-14 but had some poor shot selection, shooting too early in the clock and not looking around for other players. he did draw 2 charges though. flip did the same with poor shot selection, but did a great job when he drove and got in the paint. i'd gripe more about maxiell's 14 shot attempts, but at least he made half of them, while delfino not only took bad shots but missed all of them.

rebounding is going to be a huge problem this year, especially if our guards can't snag a few (delfino only had 2 in 28 minutes, and nazr had ZERO in 26 minutes). the fact that our leading rebounder was maxiell with 6 is not encouraging. but again it's just a preseason game, our guys were tired, and it's not a huge deal.

amir johnson was the story tonight. his first basket was a beautiful post move where he easily got by his defender. his second basket was an INSANE alley oop from lindsey. i have NO clue how he got it because lindsey threw that ball really, really high into the air, yet amir came down with it like it was nothing. in 7 minutes he had FOUR blocks and honestly looked like ben wallace on each of them. he has a chance to be a special, special player. in the preseason he is 18/22 from the floor (82%) and 10/13 from the free throw line (77%).

hopefully the highlights recap from NBA.com won't give a 404 error sometime in the near future so you can all see the alley oop dunk, it was nuts.

I just read the Homer Recap. Keith mentions the fact that the Pistons frontcourt grabbed two rebounds in a combined 59 minutes. Tayshaun says they are used to Ben going after it, so they will have to start working on rebounding.

I know that it's only the preseason, but 2 rebounds in 59 minutes scares the hell out of me.

I agree. That number is not good at all, especially for a frontcourt.

hopefully the highlights recap from NBA.com won't give a 404 error sometime in the near future so you can all see the alley oop dunk, it was nuts.
I have some stuff to post on YouTube tonight. I ran outta gas last night.

his second basket was an INSANE alley oop from lindsey. i have NO clue how he got it because lindsey threw that ball really, really high into the air, yet amir came down with it like it was nothing.


I'm pretty sure that was Blaylock who threw the oop, not Lindsey. I agree Amir was amazing. He was the bright spot in a very lackluster game. His blocks started to look automatic.

I hope we aren't already taking Max for granted. After a slow start, I thought he had a furious finish. He took 2 charges (only got 1 call), ran the floor and started to show some touch on jumpers.

I hope we aren't already taking Max for granted. After a slow start, I thought he had a furious finish. He took 2 charges (only got 1 call), ran the floor and started to show some touch on jumpers.


hey... I think you might be right. I do just expect him to come in, kick butt, and take names. I can't decide if it's a good or bad thing - -taking him for granted. It's sort of a compliment.


My pennance: Free the Brahma!

I'm pretty sure that was Blaylock who threw the oop, not Lindsey.

I missed every preseason game except part of the Washington one. From the little I saw, Blaylock was impressive. One thing for sure, you can't teach speed and quickness. He seems to come fully stocked with those. If he can really produce at the NBA level some this season, that would be a nice change of pace from the plodder.

16 mile I couldn't disagree more. What this bench, heck any bench for that matter, is a player or players that will come in and be assertive and begin to make make an immediate impact on the game. For the past few years the only players that have doen that were Lindsey Hunter (and usualy not in a good way). When it comes to your bench you can't have guys that come in and just let the game come to them, you need players that come in ready to fill it up. As a bench player you don't have 30+ mpg to flow and make your impact, you only have about 12-15 mins to get it going, and Maxiel and Flipp are exactly whats needed to come of that bench and get it done.

You're right KGreg, this really is what our bench has lacked since we lost guys like Corliss, Jon Barry, Mike James, etc. Lindsay's the only guy we've had that really brings a spark off the bench for us now.

We need some guys that come in and immediately create a mismatch problem for the opponent. A sub needs to bring long-range shooting, physicality, size, quickness, ability to draw fouls, dribble penetration, defensive tenacity, energy, something unique that changes the tone of the game.

This is what LB had in our championship year - the ability to bring these type of assets off the bench. Dyess has been a solid contibutor, but he doesn't really bring any unique qualities.

oops, it probably was blaylock. it was definitely a sweet pass.

on a sidenote, i had a dream last night that i was at the pistons game, but since there were so few people there they started collapsing the stands like a high school gym, and i was on the floor behind the basket with a bunch of people just standing around. no one was cheering or anything. then since it was so lackluster, both teams walked off the court with 1:30 left in the game!! haha. then i was randomly by the door where the pistons were leaving, and i saw lindsey hunter and asked where his car shop on mound was. i told him i might bring my vette in to get work done on it, then he started telling me he liked his vette but wanted to trick out an impala. yeah. heh.

I hope we aren't already taking Max for granted. After a slow start, I thought he had a furious finish. He took 2 charges (only got 1 call), ran the floor and started to show some touch on jumpers.

I'm probably on thin ice here, but here goes...

I hope we're not already taking Delfino for granted. After some up and down shooting performances, he still handles the ball and runs the floor well (he even took a charge in transition), and has shown some touch on jumpers.

I am a delfino supporter but he NEEDS to get more consistent. Hopefully more PT will help with that.

Delfino gets a pass on this game. Played 46 minutes last night. Have to wonder what the Heck was going through Flip's mind. Almost like he was setting him up for failure.
Well there's a first... Carlos was getting too many minutes :pound:

My biggest gripe with Delfino has been his aggressiveness. He SLEEPWALKS all too often. He definately has the talent to take over at times (although he is the type who also needs the ball in his hands OFFENSIVELY). Carlos just stands on the 3pt line way too often during most of the offensive sets, it's like he isn't even involved in the game. Whether this is by design, I do not know (ask Flip Saunders, he has Tayshaun doing the same thing). Delfino seems to NEED some sort of a play to get him going (kind of like Sheed getting T'd up). Delfino is DEFINATELY STREAKY but he CAN BE very good when he is on, but he needs MORE INTENSITY. He needs to show more drive and passion. It just seems to me like he is running through the motions (a la Darko last year before he was traded). I think that Delfino NEEDS plays where he is running the offense, NOT FLIP MURRAY. Flip looks for his own shot 8 times out of 10. Delfino is more like 3 out of 10. We need a guy who wants to get our bigs INVOLVED in the paint, Carlos can do that if he isn''t being asked to just hang out and wait for the next available KICKOUT OPEN 3PTER.

...it's like he isn't even involved in the game. Whether this is by design, I do not know (ask Flip Saunders, he has Tayshaun doing the same thing).

Unfortunately at least last year it did seem to be by design. For whatever reason the offense did not make much use of the 3 spot except as a stand still jump shooter - at least until things got desperate and Tay went into the post ten times in a row.

That kind of role doesn't play to the strengths of either Prince or Delfino - one of the reasons Prince had drops in nearly all statistical categories last season. I'm hoping for some changes to the role of the SF in the offense this year.

Delfino running things should be tried out.

Delfino running things should be tried out.

For that matter, I think Prince running things ought to be tried out. It worked pretty well last year when Carlos got himself suspended.

Let's try letting JMax bring the ball up the court. That way, the other Pistons can just camp out in their defensive positions on the other end.

I promised some highlights but I am on a different mission now.

YouTube - Need4Sheed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItKvnDRK90Y)

That is courtesy of some Need4Sheed staff member who (not so) cleverly decided to cop my name on YouTube. I'm thinking about registering need4sheed.net and pointing it here in protest. :ohwell:

video - good
fake member - wack

I promised some highlights but I am on a different mission now.

YouTube - Need4Sheed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItKvnDRK90Y)

That is courtesy of some Need4Sheed staff member who (not so) cleverly decided to cop my name on YouTube. I'm thinking about registering need4sheed.net and pointing it here in protest. :ohwell:

Sorry about all these wack cats infringin'.

Nice video. Murray, Max, and Johnson. The Pep Boys.

After 7 or 8 games in the preseason, one week out from the real deal, it's time to practice?

URGH!DARK SIDE, ANYONE?:sssh:

How did Nazr not get a single rebound? What kind of way is that to prove to the critics that you can replace Ben Wallace?

Here is the strange part from the box score:

We got outrebounded by 24!!!
Yet we had 20 more field goal attempts and hit 4 threes to their 0!!!

The difference was that they shot a ton of free throws.

Now I didn't see the game, but if JMAX only gets 1 free throw, then Stern must have been one of the refs. a little fear. you feel?

I guess it doesn't matter as long as you make all your shots. And if you aren't making all your shots, just shoot more. You will eventually get into the groove.

In all seriousness: I'm trying to keep a positive attitude. But c'mon, rebounding is fundamental. These guys gotta get on it.
What size helmet would u like?

Memphis should be in the lotto this year... nice effort and contribution from the bench...NOT...and without their best player.
Maybe a loss is what's needed to jumpstart some active practices before the season... that's two games in a row that Delfino got his ass handed to him on defense.... not that Dupree did any better the day before.
Have to say I'm starting to agree with Roscoe about Dice... looking old.
Well this preseason was about building the bench so some losses should be expected.Now release your 'hatred'!!!......

Jason Maxiel is making Antonio McDyess look like serious trade bait (but I think he has some sort of no trade thing in his contract). A package of Dyess+Delfino could get us a pretty decent player.
My 2 cents:
Looking at Nazr play the center position really makes me appreciate how physically gifted Ben Wallace is. Man we took some of the things that Ben did completely for granted, the fact is that is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to measure Ben Wallace's contributions.
Nuff on 'dat
Flip Murray is EXACTLY what the doctor ordered. Dude I had almost forgotten what dribble penetration looked like (offensively, at least; Lord knows our perimeter defense sure as heck have no clue how to stop dribble penetration), and in addition to Flip there's Will Blalock, Earl the Squirrel Boykins may have taken it to him the other night, but man Will knows how to run the point, oh baby he's gonna be nice. Our second unit and young players are really FUN to watch and they'll make great debates this season.
I pray Amir keeps working, the sky is the limit for this kid, he's full of potential.
But the man of the hour is Jason Maxiel, MAN!!! he's a force. A low post presence that likes to score around the basket....go figure, a power forward that seeks contact and high percentage shots, a rarity in today's NBA.
Attn: Darko and his LOYAL followers, the Brahma is showing you how you to get PT. MAXIEL is the last Piston we have on this team. The Goin' to Work Crew is Looooooong gone but the Brahma is the last of the Mo'Ricans (see Al Pacino). It's kinda like a horror movie where you think you kill all the creatures and just before the credits roll one pops up so you can make a sequel.Plenty of room in the Sith lounge....

Delfino gets a pass on this game. Played 46 minutes last night. Have to wonder what the Heck was going through Flip's mind. Almost like he was setting him up for failure.

What worries me are the shots Flip and JMax are taking. It's like Flip is telling everyone, forget about team play, take the shot, shoot, shoot, shoot. Thankfully we still have are core, but the Flip/JMax blackhole is starting to scare me. Don't know the record, but this team could set a record for the fewest assists ever.
One year, Wilt Chamberlain AVERAGED OVER 48 minutes per game making 3 times less than delfino makes. dont give that back 2 back crap!!!!....ARRRHHHH>>ChhhUhjhhh!

I didn't see the game but tuned into the audio just before the half. The stat at the time indicated that even though the Pistons were up 2 at the time they were getting pummuled in the paint 30-18. Looks like we held them to only 10pts the rest of the way as they finished with 40-34 advantage.

The lack of rebounding by the Pistons and the foul descrepancy was the difference in the game, but it sounded like the Pistons just came out flat to be the third and the grizz seldomed missed and if they did, they still got to the free throw line.

They have played 8 games now. Tay and Sheed have to realize that Ben is not there to grab any boards for them and they have to attack the rim in the paint at both ends of the court.

What happen to Delfino? 0-5?? Did he attempt any shots in the paint? Not even a FT attempt. I appreciate getting the ball to the open man, but what happen to driving to the rim for high % shot and at least drawing a foul? In each game he s taking more 3ball attempts that the conventional shot.

CB had no FT attempts either. He is the best FT shooter on the team and will need to post smaller guards up to get to the FT line more often if it means getting free points on the board. DWade, and AI get 8-10 FTA a game, and as in Wade's case it work's well enough in the post season to advance your team along to even getting a ring!!! :(
DARTH DRE...I like the sound of that......:sssh: