I had this idea for a Pet player league. The whole idea is to field a team of guys you'd hardly draft or play in a normal league.

We all agree not to draft anyone in the top 120 yahoo list. So we'd be battling it out with JMAX, Delfino, Dee Brown, and other guys at the end of the bench.

as it is more of a novelty, i really don't see a lot of effort going into it so it wouldn't tax people already playing in multiple leagues. We'll have rosters of 10 so you don't have to set it...just look at it and cheer (bronx or regular).

Let me know if you are game.

Sounds like a lot of work for the Commish. You sure you are up to this?

Ok, I'm in. Can you draft Darko in this league?

I don't mind setting it up. i'm looking at very low maintenance here.

I tried to give you an out. :)

are you in? It going to be 10 man roster. Set and forget.

I won't be able to control myself. I know I won't "forget it".

Sorry bro, too much on my plate already! :(

I had this idea for a Pet player league. The whole idea is to field a team of guys you'd hardly draft or play in a normal league.

Let me know if you are game.

I'm in. This sounds like just the fantasy diversion I need to keep my novice game sharp. All that serious fantasy homework and then a little fun and speculation about the rookies, the second year guys and the journeyman veterans.

Everyone get yer hands away from my Dee Brown. A rookie with Pistons DNA.

Sounds like a lot of work for the Commish. You sure you are up to this?

Oh Commissioner Darth Slippy definitely is. Plus I'll help him if he needs help.

Ok, I'm in. Can you draft Darko in this league?

:pound: :pound: :pound: Too much.

i think that's a great idea! i'd be down for this.

i'll send out invites soon
teams will have 8 roster slots...so no util spots. Also we'll be scoring technicals, flagrants, and ejections. lol.

Also we'll be scoring technicals, flagrants, and ejections. lol.

So it'll be a good thing to get these stats right? Cool. I'll put Danny Fortson on my must have list. :)

You guys are nuts! :dizzy2:

Whoever gets first choice should draft Unko Debunkalogo if they want to win this thing.:nod:

You guys are nuts! :dizzy2:

Whoever gets first choice should draft Unko Debunkalogo if they want to win this thing.:nod:

Phhhffft. I guess you didn't read the rules. This is for 120 pick and lower. No way Debunkalogo makes it out of the 2nd round.

Phhhffft. I guess you didn't read the rules. This is for 120 pick and lower. No way Debunkalogo makes it out of the 2nd round.

:redface: Gosh, I feel so dumb now. :redface:

i'll play if you need the numbers. I'm already in 2 leagues so i don't mind giving up my spot.

it'll also be good way of keeping an eye on guys lower down who i could pick up for my good teams

I think you'll be penalized if your player gets a flagrant. boy you could lose a match up if someone does that. but man what a great talking point. :stirthepot:

i'm in if you still need one

I looked at the site and i'm thinking 140 rank or worse. 120 has a few guys that are starter fixtures but at 140 you got a lot of uncertainty.

Live draft next week sunday at 6 est. if you can't make it please exclude all players 139 and up.

I looked at the site and i'm thinking 140 rank or worse. 120 has a few guys that are starter fixtures but at 140 you got a lot of uncertainty.

Live draft next week sunday at 6 est. if you can't make it please exclude all players 139 and up.

Will you have a list of the top 140 open while we draft or something just to make sure it all goes legit?

I like 140+ over 120+. J-Max should go no.1! This is a great idea BTW

You might want to be clear as to if this is the Yahoo overall ranking or the seasonal totals/averages ranking. The seasonal rankings will change after Game 1.

We need to use the offseason or overall rankings.

i don't think we'll have cheaters since it blows the whole concept of a mega sleeper league. I mean really, what is the point of winning a league that will play bottom barrell scrubs....what did you just prove? That you lack a moral center?

I understand. Just thought you'd might want to make it clear as the lines will be a little more foggy as the season progresses.

I understand. Just thought you'd might want to make it clear as the lines will be a little more foggy as the season progresses.

Slippy likes foggy lines. It's the only way he can compete with the talented GM's. :lol:

I will quote this post when I wipe the floor with both your teams mr....Tater.

Seriously, you guys should encourage Lee357 to join this league. I asked him last year to join our league but he obviously chose not to do so.

This league would be right up his alley. He could prove his GM skills and play the unheralded guys that he constantly advocates for like Arroyo. Just a thought.

Its perfect for guys like him but we can force anyone.

Its perfect for guys like him but we can force anyone.

I just meant maybe send him a pm or something. I doubt he is even aware this exists.

But I do think you can force him with a Jedi mind trick.:starwars:

i'm up for it, only in 1 league so I've gotta do something.

I'd be in too, but do I have to care as much as for another league? I mean, do I have to say that I won't quit if my team sucks? :)

In this league, it's a given your team will suck.

with no bench slots, it'll be more difficult to be a deadbeat than a playa.

In this league, it's a given your team will suck.

yes but its whoever is least sucky wins!

I'm in D Slip, if you have room.

I'm swamped at work so here's the drit on the league.

league ID: 175683
password: delfino

live draft is set for next sunday 6 pm EST. if people have issues with that we can make some changes. again we are playing with players 140 - 500

Added by roscoewave: - Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Basketball (http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba)

again we are playing with players 140 - 500

Cool Slippy. You can draft the same exact players you drafted for your Novice league team! :lol::caked:

:pound: :pound: :pound: Darth, your interpersonal skills need a litte polish. :nerner:

i signed up as team Saunders Neck Twitch :D lol this is gonna be hilarious. it's going to be hard to field enough players that don't get DNPs. flagrants, technicals, and ejections might not occur that often for bench warmers so maybe we should add personal fouls too?

Good idea! I'll see if I can. I think fouls will be a great cat to add in there.

Good idea! I'll see if I can. I think fouls will be a great cat to add in there.

no idea here, but is there any way for the stats to be counted as per/48?

so if my round 14 scrub of all srcubs at pick 498 plays 1.5 mins per game but gets 1 block, he is a star!

Micro's Midgets are signed up.

sorry, am i in? if so, i'm missing how --- or rather where -- to sign up.

Post #35 prof.

http://www.pistonsforum.com/fantasy-basketball/4868-ultimate-super-sleeper-league-4.html#post56367

Post #35 prof.

http://www.pistonsforum.com/fantasy-basketball/4868-ultimate-super-sleeper-league-4.html#post56367

grazie... i got it... prof's punks are in. now, do we exclude the top 120 or 140?

grazie... i got it... prof's punks are in. now, do we exclude the top 120 or 140?


LOL, Prof. I know this is the sleeper league but wake up! :ranger:

Exclude numbers 1 thru 139.

http://www.pistonsforum.com/fantasy-basketball/4868-ultimate-super-sleeper-league-4.html#post56367

LOL, Prof. I know this is the sleeper league but wake up! :ranger:

Exclude numbers 1 thru 139.

http://www.pistonsforum.com/fantasy-basketball/4868-ultimate-super-sleeper-league-4.html#post56367

Apologies Lord Tater. I don't know how I could have missed it. I assure you it won't happen again.

Unless it does.

Apologies Lord Tater. I don't know how I could have missed it. I assure you it won't happen again.

Unless it does.

Apology accepted Professsor

**stated as he strangles prof using the power of the dark side**

Dang, that's twice this month I've killed you. Sorry, Prof. :pound:

Darth Tater, you have demonstrated a firm grasp of a league you are not involved in. YOU MUST BE GUILTY!!!! GUILTY!!!!! ahhhhhhhhhh! (do your best Invasion of the Body Snatchers impersonation) ahhhhhhh!

Darth Tater, you have demonstrated a firm grasp of a league you are not involved in. YOU MUST BE GUILTY!!!! GUILTY!!!!! ahhhhhhhhhh! (do your best Invasion of the Body Snatchers impersonation) ahhhhhhh!

Hahaha, yeah I was thinking the same thing. I don't have any proof, but I say we hang Tater.

That is of course Darth, unless you'd like to form an alliance. :P

I'm in. My team is called the Six Hard Fouls.

See you losers on the court. Or on the bench. Or, maybe at the concession stand.

Just looking at the Yahoo rankings. Darko is ranked above Tayshaun.

Several of my starters in trial league are available after #140. I guess I have scrubs. Figures.
:(

See you losers on the court. Or on the bench. Or, maybe at the concession stand.
You'll probably see Darth in the bathroom. I hear he still hasn't gotten comfortable with that catheter. :pound:

You'll probably see Darth in the bathroom. I hear he still hasn't gotten comfortable with that catheter. :pound:

Well, the thing is, I bought Larry Browns used one for cheap on e-bay. It's a little too small for me. That will teach me for being such a cheapskate.

I couldn't resist buying it. It is signed by the entire Pistons bench and Isiah Thomas too. Pretty cool. I'll send you a picture.

Well, the thing is, I bought Larry Browns used one for cheap on e-bay. It's a little too small for me. That will teach me for being such a cheapskate.

I couldn't resist buying it. It is signed by the entire Pistons bench and Isiah Thomas too. Pretty cool. I'll send you a picture.

eeeewwww...that is just gross, Tater.

Aurora's Stardust is registered.

novelty league is full.
again please refer to the pre draft rankings and exclude players 1-139.

there are still some nice pickups in the botton 140 but really. its all about rooting for your pets.

Question.

Can we pickup LeBron James after the draft?

How will people know not to pick up players?

technically you can. however, if anyone wants to blow it for the whole league...I'm not going to stop them...they can just live with the consequences.

the o-rankings remain in place while the season is in swing. Use that to make your pickups.

Ok. I just want to know how it works so I can keep an eye on Darth and linwood in the bathroom.

Darth went to play hockey.

if I defined my predraft- rankings, do I still have to participate at the live draft (I don't know if I'm gonna be free for it) or will the CPU pick automatically if I'm not there?

you can let it auto pick

Ok. I just want to know how it works so I can keep an eye on Darth and linwood in the bathroom.

The only good thing about having so many Darth's around here is that nobody knows who is being insulted. :)

Well...I suppose if you play the odds we can make a pretty good educated guess.:sssh:

don't forget to put #1-140 in your EXCLUDE list for drafting!! the last thing we need is someone forgetting to do this and messing up the draft :O

don't forget to put #1-140 in your EXCLUDE list for drafting!! the last thing we need is someone forgetting to do this and messing up the draft :O

doesnt matter, commish can just toss all those guys out and they'll be left with picks #300-314 :MusicBigGrin:

A couple of clarifications beforehand

Exclude players with o-rank 1-139, which means Przybilla is the last excluded at 139 and Mourning is the first available at 140, right?

For some reason I thought Mo Williams was available but just went and checked and he is 136. I hope that was just an error on my part and nothing actually changed.

Anyone actually gonna be at the live draft? I will be.

Why oh why did Adonal Foyle have to be in the exclusion range??!! :shout:

140 is Earl Boykins on my list.

I don't plan on making the draft and have done extensive work pre-ranking.

140 is Earl Boykins on my list.

I don't plan on making the draft and have done extensive work pre-ranking.


what? oh man, this could get messy. so when i go to pre-rank my players and you get 3 windows to move players around (Exclude, List of Player, My Players), Mourning is 140. Boykins is 142.
In this screen there aren't multiple ways to rank players, its only 1 list.

My bad. I have Boykins #1 on my list, but he is #142.

WHEW.

Nothing to see here folks, please move on.

i think yahoo's rankings changed recently, because i thought mo williams was also available.

right now mourning is 140, mo williams is 136, boykins 142. i thought 140 was also exlusion so that mourning wouldn't be available. is this correct?

i'm having a hard time pre-ranking (apart from the exclusion thing, which i have no doubt done wrongly) because i get a little ways in and it tells me that my league doesn't allow me to prerank more than 64 players. i'll try to be there for the draft, but i'm not sure i can cause i've got the kids tonight... so we'll see. apologies in advance for anything i've botched.

i think yahoo's rankings changed recently, because i thought mo williams was also available.

I know, Mo was in my top 10. I don't know if it has changed. It shouldnt have.

right now mourning is 140, mo williams is 136, boykins 142. i thought 140 was also exlusion so that mourning wouldn't be available. is this correct?

Here is the quote from Slippy...


again please refer to the pre draft rankings and exclude players 1-139.


i'm having a hard time pre-ranking (apart from the exclusion thing, which i have no doubt done wrongly) because i get a little ways in and it tells me that my league doesn't allow me to prerank more than 64 players. i'll try to be there for the draft, but i'm not sure i can cause i've got the kids tonight... so we'll see. apologies in advance for anything i've botched.

You can't have more than 64 players in 'My Players' because there are only 64 who will be drafted. Just toss out some guys from your 'My Players' list to add more in.

Looking at the Yahoo stats, I was wondering if we use the O-ranking or the Rank catagory?

Also, how do I prerank my players, because I won't be able to make the live draft. (everone recieves their first big break!)

Looking at the Yahoo stats, I was wondering if we use the O-ranking or the Rank catagory?

Also, how do I prerank my players, because I won't be able to make the live draft. (everone recieves their first big break!)


click on Draft Central --> click Pre-Draft Rankings --> click Edit My Rankings

Go by the rankings in the next window. Then move the top 139 players to the Exclude window.

Move players you want to rank into the My Players window. Done!

using O-Rank

go to Draft Central -> Pre-Draft Rankings -> Edit My Rankings

exclude players 1-139 (they'll show up in the Exclude Players box), then set your order (My Players box on the right)

great minds think alike!

thanks for the help webz!

Thanks, I'm on it!
I can't find Mateen Cleaves on here.:confused:

This should be fun. Good luck everyone... you'll need it against the Six Hard Fouls!

who can compete with the consistency of Saunders Neck Twitch? You know it's coming every time!!

webz ... JINX!! haha

Cool draft.

I think Prof got Mo Williams and Marko Jaric, both on the banned list. Not his fault though cos I'm pretty sure they were over 140 a few days ago.

Anyway, I'm guessing those players should be cut. Slippy?

Attached are the draft results.

this is going to be a very interesting season. i love the set-and-forget stuff. with 2 Cs i went big early with our boy nazr, then tried to fill out the G and F spots and then go from there.

micro kept taking my picks!! (barbosa, wilcox, lee, gay)

lots of golden state players :) pietrus is gonna rule the league, mark my words!! haha. slippy this was a GREAT idea, drafting is fun and having another league is fun.

lets have a consensus...let him have them or make him dump. Its not like they are big difference makers. It really is the spirit of the league that I am concerned about.

opinions?

i'm fine with him keeping them. i really think they were 140+ this week, because i had my eyes on mo williams as well (although i never considered jaric).

Jaric shouldn't be a big deal. And if he wins the league everyone of us has got an excuse, like "yeah, you won, but you drafted 2 guys you weren't allowed to and no way you would've won without them" :MusicBigGrin:
I like my team too, only thing that bothers me is that I ran out of time once cause I couldn't find Harpring and I ended up with Trenton Hassel.

He either should be able to keep both or neither.

Considering Prof wasn't able to make it, my vote is that he can keep them in the spirit of the league. I'm willing to bet he is short players at certain positions anyways.

sounds good. good luck everyone.

He either should be able to keep both or neither.

Considering Prof wasn't able to make it, my vote is that he can keep them in the spirit of the league. I'm willing to bet he is short players at certain positions anyways.

I don't have a vote but that never stops me.

I say let him keep them but he has to change his name to Darth Professor. :darthvader::lecturer:

That's something the Dark side would pull. Nice move Prof. Join us!

He either should be able to keep both or neither.

Considering Prof wasn't able to make it, my vote is that he can keep them in the spirit of the league. I'm willing to bet he is short players at certain positions anyways.

I want Wilcox. What's it going to take to get Wilcox?

for the record, they appeared to me as 140+ when I ranked... sorry for the mix up.

i'm good either way, but i'll never never ever change my name to darth.... :)

I want Wilcox. What's it going to take to get Wilcox?
Naming rights to your firstborn.

Naming rights to your firstborn.

Oh man, I can see it now. "... and this is my son, PF.com" :laugh:

So it begins. The best of the rest. Deep sleepers and difference makers all slugging it out in a non-time intensive battle royale.

Darth Warts...you will learn to Fear the Fro 'Fino and that fear will overcome you. Welcome to the dark side.

your sith mind games are difficult, calling me Darth Warts and welcoming me to the dark side. however, i am still torn inside between light and dark, good and evil, oil and vinegar.

i have planned to resist the dark side and still fight that battle.

obi-warthog Kenobi perhaps?

Obi-Wart Kenobi works haha. kind of rolls off the tongue!!

i'm ready for tonight with all 3 of my StatTracker windows open...i'm gonna get my $9 worth this year!!

are we allowing adds/drops? diogu sprained his ankle :/

sure!:thumb:

i dont get these player rankings man. NOW, it seems some players who were ranked inside the top 139 have now slipped back into the 140's.
This is going by rank from 05-06 season. i've looked through every different ranking i can find and the change is on all of them. WTF?

so i guess all we can do is choose one rank to go by, then just keep an eye on it to see if it changes and see if players slip back into the 140's and pick them up off waivers??

i dunno. slippy, you're commisho, wanna take a look and give your verdict?

use the o-rank.

which players dropped in rank?

use the o-rank.

which players dropped in rank?

The O-rank adjusts during the season. It is weighted based on previous season, current season and projected performance.

:obiwan: <---mASTER landmo, thanks! Some people may move in and out of the O-rank. When you pick, refer to the o-rank. if your prospect moves out of the o-rank...HE's TOO GOOD for this league! If a player drops into the 140 and below mark, he can be picked up. If you pick up a guy and while on your team he moves up...good for you!

also, I changed the max add/drops to 25.

Good answer slippy. I like that approach.

alright cool. so at least theres one factor in this league that bucks the rule 'set and forget'

and to finish i'd like to put out an alert.

BRENDAN HAYWOOD IS NOW AVAILABLE!! Get him quick!!

Gomes with the Triple-Double!! WOOT

that was awesome. Man I like seeing delfino's stats adding up. he's doing rather well.

yeah a pleasant surprise that he's been a decent source of 3-pointers so far

for all the poor shooting he did in the pre season his fg% is like 53%

for all the poor shooting he did in the pre season his fg% is like 53%

That's very encouraging from a "real life" perspective. Go Delfino!

Made my first moves

Jalen Rose, Ronald Murray and Antonio McDyess all out.

Stephen Hunter, Darrell Armstrong and Brent Barry in.

My team was good enough to win 6 or 7 cats every week but a couple poor producers meant it was time to get busy in FA, even if it takes away from my strategy of

3PM
FG%
POINTS
REBOUNDS

as a core.

Rose was doing nothing, and Dice/Murray only a little more.

I'll know in a week or so if these were good moves. I'm counting on Sam Dalembert continuing to suck.

I'm counting on Sam Dalembert continuing to suck.
He ain't no sucker!!! I have him on my Novice team and I'm content with his performance this far. He even scored 17 last night.

The Ultimate Sleeper League is all about hating on the starters Ralphi.

No one is happier Raja Bell is dinged up than me. Now Barbosa can keep ripping off 30 point games for Micro's Midgets.

No one is happier Raja Bell is dinged up than me. Now Barbosa can keep ripping off 30 point games for Micro's Midgets.

And no one is unhappier than me because I picked one pick after you in our Super Sleeper Draft and I was going to pick Barbosa and hope Deron Williams would still be around. Now Barbosa is going absolutely over the top insane and Raja Bell (who I have in Novice) is mailing it in for several games and then injured for who knows how long.

I am so jealous that you have Leandrino Barbosa!:shout:

Wow, holy triple jeopardy!

Darrell Armstrong got a Flagrant Foul, which is one tech and one ejection as well.

Whatever that play was, it gave aurorakmw 3 categories all in one go!

Man, you do NOT want to get a flagrant with only one day to play!

Man that's a game changer!!! I feel like we instituted the 25 pt shot.

Wow, holy triple jeopardy!

Darrell Armstrong got a Flagrant Foul, which is one tech and one ejection as well.

Whatever that play was, it gave aurorakmw 3 categories all in one go!

Man, you do NOT want to get a flagrant with only one day to play!
why did you pick that old fella, anyway? He had a strong start but it's for sure that no way he'll be able to keep that level the entire season.

yah, and i gave up the techs category as well, which will probably happen all year while i carry jack and patterson lol. but micro...man that's rough!!!!

Wow, holy triple jeopardy!

Darrell Armstrong got a Flagrant Foul, which is one tech and one ejection as well.

Whatever that play was, it gave aurorakmw 3 categories all in one go!

Man, you do NOT want to get a flagrant with only one day to play!

Yeah, Roscoe I empathize. The only thing I can say to soften the blow is that at least in our super sleeper league we are giving the Zero Tolerance rule the respect the NBA would wish us to. If we can weed out the bad seeds at the bench/rookie/veteran scrub level of our league, we will be doing our share to build our league for the future (which is now).

I just guess my guys were all able to exercise the necessary self-containment when it counted most for 3 category wins. Sigh...Long Live the New NBA!

I've got a question- I know that the "Rank" is changing, but does the "O-Rank" change as well during the season? I'm asking this because I was totally sure that Kevin Martin was higher than 140 when I drafted him and now I looked up and saw that his O- Rank is 130???

Yes it does.

I've got a question- I know that the "Rank" is changing, but does the "O-Rank" change as well during the season? I'm asking this because I was totally sure that Kevin Martin was higher than 140 when I drafted him and now I looked up and saw that his O- Rank is 130???

as mentioned by the slipmeister before...

Some people may move in and out of the O-rank. If a player drops into the 140 and below mark, he can be picked up. If you pick up a guy and while on your team he moves up...good for you!

you got a sleeper stud ralphie. luckily for you he was still in the 140+ range when this draft started so you could take him no.1 overall.

I hate how they do that. The "in season rank" should be the one that fluctuates, and the other, a constant to compare against.

I mean, seriously, what is the point of a floating original rank anyways?

I hate how they do that. The "in season rank" should be the one that fluctuates, and the other, a constant to compare against.

I mean, seriously, what is the point of a floating original rank anyways?

yeah it really is stupid. if it was nba.com i'd be more lenient (amateurs), but this is yahoo for pete's sake!

i'm thoroughly confused. what do the two different ranks tell us then?

O-Rank doesn't stand for original rank.

It stands for Yahoo Overall Rank.

O-Rank=Player's overall Yahoo! Sports ranking (based on current and prior seasons).

Rank=Player's ranking based on stat filter selected.

O-Rank doesn't stand for original rank.

It stands for Yahoo Overall Rank.

O-Rank=Player's overall Yahoo! Sports ranking (based on current and prior seasons).

Rank=Player's ranking based on stat filter selected.

thanks mo!

thanks mo!

not a problem. :)

well. My sleeper team is still sleeping and a few have apnea. c'mon carlos!!!

I can't help making changes to my squad. I think I'm gonna run out of moves before too long. anyone wanna trade me 10 moves for someone??
:MusicBigGrin:

I can't help making changes to my squad. I think I'm gonna run out of moves before too long. anyone wanna trade me 10 moves for someone??
:MusicBigGrin:

:pound: Most excellent webz. I'll take a look at your roster and get back to you. We'd have to get approval from the Commish. Maybe in the super sleeper league we should just have unlimited moves what with so many of our guys riding the pine so much, changing rotations etc.

It is a little wierd to try to win with these 140+ guys, isn't it? I love this league though. I find it alot of fun to watch my guy's games and root for them to get off the bench.

Recently witnessed by my basset hound Prince Faisel during a Nuggets game:

"C'mon coach what're you doin' out there? Put Najera in. That overhyped shoe salesman Carmelo is killin' us. He's a momentum killin' superstar. Najera! We need a difference maker off the bench. Najera! (thump thump thump fist on desk) Najera! (thump thump thump) Najera! (thmp thump thump)."

:pound: Most excellent webz. I'll take a look at your roster and get back to you. We'd have to get approval from the Commish. Maybe in the super sleeper league we should just have unlimited moves what with so many of our guys riding the pine so much, changing rotations etc.

It is a little wierd to try to win with these 140+ guys, isn't it? I love this league though. I find it alot of fun to watch my guy's games and root for them to get off the bench.

Recently witnessed by my basset hound Prince Faisel during a Nuggets game:

"C'mon coach what're you doin' out there? Put Najera in. That overhyped shoe salesman Carmelo is killin' us. He's a momentum killin' superstar. Najera! We need a difference maker off the bench. Najera! (thump thump thump fist on desk) Najera! (thump thump thump) Najera! (thmp thump thump)."

Very cute. :)

I imagine bballjay does the same thing for Darko. :stirthepot:

:pound: Most excellent webz. I'll take a look at your roster and get back to you. We'd have to get approval from the Commish. Maybe in the super sleeper league we should just have unlimited moves what with so many of our guys riding the pine so much, changing rotations etc.

It is a little wierd to try to win with these 140+ guys, isn't it? I love this league though. I find it alot of fun to watch my guy's games and root for them to get off the bench.

Recently witnessed by my basset hound Prince Faisel during a Nuggets game:

"C'mon coach what're you doin' out there? Put Najera in. That overhyped shoe salesman Carmelo is killin' us. He's a momentum killin' superstar. Najera! We need a difference maker off the bench. Najera! (thump thump thump fist on desk) Najera! (thump thump thump) Najera! (thmp thump thump)."

yeah i vote for more moves. having more moves doesn't make it any less set and forget. if you don't wanna change your lineups, you don't have to. i've got a nice tactic going too, but garbajosa recently became centre-eligible so that tactic is no longer required.

i've kind of tweaked my roster over the season to include more rookies and young up-and-comers. its way more exciting to be riding along with these guys through their ups and downs, rather than the injury battling vets who have been around for years.

ps - we won't mention how you did against me in both sleeper and open leagues last week...
my number 1 draft pick is letting me down. seriously, i had the 3rd pick overall but the difference between 1 and 2 and the rest of the sleeper nation is just ridiculous.

in case all you out there forgot:
1 - kevin martin
2 - deron williams
3 - eddy curry

its not fair i tell you.

weird thing is i'm doing okay in the sleeper league without having made any moves, but i move guys around a ton in the novice league

I think more moves would be a good thing
Besides, it's true, having the #1 pick has given me a major advantage, since Kevin Martin is playing huge and we already had one week played when the league was founded.

inxay on unlimited moves
I am willing to bump to 50

inxay on unlimited moves
I am willing to bump to 50


i'll take it! :good:

I'll wait for a few opinions and then make a move...or not...depending on the consensus

inxay on unlimited moves
I am willing to bump to 50
I'm for bumping to 50. It's fun to scrounge around and find players to try for a few weeks just for the fun of it. So 50 seems like it would be plenty. If there's 82 games, wouldn't that be the ability to make a change roughly every 2 games? hat seems like plenty, unless you feel you need to revamp your whole team constantly.

I like the 25 rule. It may give those of us who are patient a post All Star game boost!

Use your moves wisely, GM!

Zo just slipped down to 140. :eek:

:fingerscr

:sherlock:

Yes. You're too late. :nerner:

:shout:

:frusty:

Zo just slipped down to 140. :eek:

:fingerscr

:sherlock:

Yes. You're too late. :nerner:

:shout:

:frusty:
Geez, I guess some fantasy player hit the F5- button so often they need a new keyboard every 2 months :MusicBigGrin:

Geez, I guess some fantasy player hit the F5- button so often they need a new keyboard every 2 months :MusicBigGrin:

I'll trade you Zo for kevin martin.

I'll trade you Zo for kevin martin.
I'd have a lack of guards if I did that :MusicBigGrin:

dang micro, tied in turnovers and personal fouls, and really close numbers all the way around. surprised it was 6-3 and not a tie! also surprised i've only made one move all season and i'm still doing well, but ralphi's team is stacked and i can't see beating him

dang micro, tied in turnovers and personal fouls, and really close numbers all the way around. surprised it was 6-3 and not a tie! also surprised i've only made one move all season and i'm still doing well, but ralphi's team is stacked and i can't see beating him


oh.. he can be beaten. just watch this week.

I should have joined this league. I've been admiring it from a far. Sounds like alot of fun! :)

I should have joined this league. I've been admiring it from a far. Sounds like alot of fun! :)


its pretty cool, but the further we go on the more i'm not a big fan of counting fouls, techs, etc.

its possible to win 5 cats without even playing one person for the week. i think maybe we've gone the wrong way. too much focus on the negative cats.
perhaps the emphasis should be on lots and lots of moves and limiting it to the most important cats (FG, FT, 3PM, PTS, REB, AST, STL, BLK) maybe even drop the %'s.

but hey, that could be an idea for an entirely seperate league. is it too late to start another new one? haha.

its pretty cool, but the further we go on the more i'm not a big fan of counting fouls, techs, etc.

its possible to win 5 cats without even playing one person for the week. i think maybe we've gone the wrong way. too much focus on the negative cats.
perhaps the emphasis should be on lots and lots of moves and limiting it to the most important cats (FG, FT, 3PM, PTS, REB, AST, STL, BLK) maybe even drop the %'s.

but hey, that could be an idea for an entirely seperate league. is it too late to start another new one? haha.

umm...yes.

No more leagues please! I'm in 3 after I swore I would be in none!

I like the current system, even the negative stats that have bit me in the butt once already. But the sleeper league is more advanced than advanced in a way, because you really have to be on top of who is injured, who loses their starting position, who is a true sleeper. After the draft, there is a good chance that half of your roster is garbage. You really need to work hard to stay on top of the best of the rest.

And with no extra roster spots, your moves have to be very good.

There won't be any more. Trust me. 4 leagues is more than enough for this forum. I'm sure the rules for the sleeper league can be revisited next year.

The Sleeper league was just a novelty act. maybe instead of open and sleeper leagues we can do a keeper league.

actually I'm glad someone beat me since there where some complaints about the unfair draft (for instance because I got Kevin Martin at #1)- still, my guys are going to come back, I'm still figuring out how that vast loss to your loser squad could happen :gun1:
Maybe it's time for Tim Thomas to find another team...


... continuing this in the right thread.

it was an incredibly close result though despite the 8-2. you got 3 techs which didn't help, and apart from 3's really everything else was very close.

my guys aren't losers. they are young guns. i have a 'no old guys allowed' rule on my team, but i made one exception with Zo.

i can stomach it if young guys have off games cos they're only going to get better, but when you have 'over the hill' vets who don't produce, well theres only one direction they're heading in....

The Sleeper league was just a novelty act. maybe instead of open and sleeper leagues we can do a keeper league.

and perhaps when i get through with all of you, you guys can add to your keeper and sleeper leagues and make a 'weeper' league, where you all lick your wounds and blacklist me from joining :)

and perhaps when i get through with all of you, you guys can add to your keeper and sleeper leagues and make a 'weeper' league, where you all lick your wounds and blacklist me from joining :)

or we could start an experts league where you need a minimum of 3 championships to enter. then you can play with yourself all year long. :MusicBigGrin:

@webz
your squad is decent, true. Zo's been blocking like back in his best days since re- entering as the starting C. Also, JR Reid is very nice (I have him on my Novice team and he's turned out to be a major steal).
Now we know that having the #1 pick might mean that you didn't get a sleeper, but a proven player (although there was no proof that Kevin Martin would continue his stellar play)- but that doesn't mean your team can't be beaten.

@webz
your squad is decent, true. Zo's been blocking like back in his best days since re- entering as the starting C. Also, JR Reid is very nice (I have him on my Novice team and he's turned out to be a major steal).
Now we know that having the #1 pick might mean that you didn't get a sleeper, but a proven player (although there was no proof that Kevin Martin would continue his stellar play)- but that doesn't mean your team can't be beaten.


dude, i don't think jr reid would make anyone's fantasy team.

not even micro's.

dude, i don't think jr reid would make anyone's fantasy team.

not even micro's.
haha, I was talking about JR Smith (my bad). Who knows, maybe Reid's a real sleeper, the realest of all time. The R.O.A.T.

Oh funny joke. Real funny webz.

i have a feeling webz is gonna wipe the floor with me this week

I need more freaking transactions!!!!

I need more freaking transactions!!!!


yeah i am assuming slippy upped it to 50? or not?

seriously, i will trade someone for some transactions unless it changes. (which i think it should)

anyone else get shafted this week because of the brawl?

i already was losing techs, now i can add another category to my losses - ejections.

thanks guys.
would you like fries with this win twitcho? :chef2:

anyone else get shafted this week because of the brawl?

i already was losing techs, now i can add another category to my losses - ejections.


Oh, I completely forgot that we count ejections in this league. My energy guy...Najera....was on the court at the scene of the brawl. Thus...EJECTION.

would you like fries with this win twitcho? :chef2:

a win's a win :D

unless i lose, then it was a cheap win for my opponent :pound:

IMPORTANT!! I have put a hold on add/drops for 2 days while we figure out yahoo's o-rank changes.
Some players have moved into the lower 140 for no apparent reason. This could ruin the spirit of the league. Please look at the rankings and give your input. Webz has dibs on Amare. if we continue.

During this time, can we request 150 more moves? PULEEZE slippy? :cheerlie-GOAL:

i'll consider 5:pound:

I'll take that (for starters)

IMPORTANT!! I have put a hold on add/drops for 2 days while we figure out yahoo's o-rank changes.
Some players have moved into the lower 140 for no apparent reason. This could ruin the spirit of the league. Please look at the rankings and give your input. Webz has dibs on Amare. if we continue.

Amare? Dude was averaging double doubles a couple of weeks ago. Sorry, man, but my number one man on the team is Chucky Atkins. I thought this was set and forget for scrubs!

thats why there is an add drop freeze

Amare had 28 points, 10 rebounds, 1 block, shot 100% from the line, and shot better than 50% from the field. All in 28 minutes.

I know we all really want to win, but I can't see how this is in the spirit of draft your favorite scrub, and see how it all plays out over the course of the season.

Amare had 28 points, 10 rebounds, 1 block, shot 100% from the line, and shot better than 50% from the field. All in 28 minutes.

I know we all really want to win, but I can't see how this is in the spirit of draft your favorite scrub, and see how it all plays out over the course of the season.


i believe the spirit is playing with scrubs, because i don't see much fun in playing fantasy basketball if you aren't involved, making decisions, playing the waivers, etc.
it makes it even more fun with the scrubs because one minute they're hot, the next they're on the bench again. then you have to try and forecast who's gonna get minutes, production...
personally i think the goals have changed since the 'set and forget' concept was first designed.
i'd like to think there would be a difference between me being GM and leaving my dog in charge. no offense jack (my dogs name)

and the whole reason i contacted slippy in the first place is because i don't want amare. thats not in the spirit of the league IMHO. there were other good players down there too - claxton, hughes, maggette, darko, marvin williams, morrison.

slip, i think this is a permanent change, although some of the rankings are bizarre, some make sense. i think the only thing we could do is get the original draft list and manually check on that to see if a player was in the 140 before making a move. ??

No problem. I didn't mean to come off as a crybaby, I just truly enjoyed watching to see if some of my players got more points than fouls, or more assists than ejections!

I enjoy the bums league!:cheerleader:

slip, i think this is a permanent change, although some of the rankings are bizarre, some make sense. i think the only thing we could do is get the original draft list and manually check on that to see if a player was in the 140 before making a move. ??That would be the best- I can't udnerstand why yahoo sports is changing its ranking this often? Don't they know that this ruins our league? :-)

and the whole reason i contacted slippy in the first place is because i don't want amare. thats not in the spirit of the league IMHO. there were other good players down there too - claxton, hughes, maggette, darko, marvin williams, morrison.

slip, i think this is a permanent change, although some of the rankings are bizarre, some make sense. i think the only thing we could do is get the original draft list and manually check on that to see if a player was in the 140 before making a move. ??

I agree. The ranking on the day of the draft, if we can still get that somehow, should be the ranking that rules. If people have already taken players that fell below 140, I'm not sure what to do about that. (Didn't Alonzo fall to exactly 140 or 141 or something?). But I think part of the spirit of the league is as Roscoe put it "hating on the starters" :pound:. You shouldn't have a starter on your team or even certain high ranked bench players. Maybe if we can get a list of the draft day rankings, people can just drop their free agent adds that aren't below 140. They will have benefited some from having found them and added them, but probably really shouldn't keep them if there is a way to reconstruct the original list.

There is no point turning super sleeper into another open or novice league. If we lose the bench player emphasis, some of us will have three fantasy teams on pf.com that we are playing the same way except for our rosters. At least super sleeper should offer something different as webz has pointed out.

we are going to have to police ourselves and honor the spirit. there may be some grey area guys but i think we have to deal with blatant errors like amare. we need to honor the concept of sleeper league. if anyone has an issue with a player, they can bring it up and we can discuss it.

i wil lift the add drop restriction and amare is off limits no matter what his ranking is.

ok, so if you wanna check out the pre-draft rankings, as long as you excluded all the right players, go to Draft Central on yahoo, then click on Pre-draft Rankings, and scroll down to see the players you orginally excluded.
i think we should go by that and any player that has slipped over 140 since then (and is not in the exclusion list) is ok, seeing as thats how we were playing to begin with.
there are a lot of other good players besides amare out there now as mentioned above. but if we go by that original draft exclusion list, i think thats the way to go.

aurora, players move in and out of starting lineups all the time, i think that would be too difficult to have just bench players.

aurora, players move in and out of starting lineups all the time, i think that would be too difficult to have just bench players.

Oh yeah I know, I mispoke. Starter wasn't the right word, I meant people like Amare. This sounds like a good plan to just go that initial list on the site. Thanks for directing us to it. For "starter" in my post, just substitute "Players 1-140 on draft day."

hey, when can we start making transactions again?

my team is sooo last week.. .

YeS! AnD I nEeD aT leAsT 75 trAnsACtiONs. Puleeze. :)

whoops!!! I was supposed to fix that. Well, ya'll be ready to go. knock yourselves out.

Slippy my dear friend, I seriously need more transactions. I'm like Trader Jack McCloskey of the Bad Boy Pistons. Sometimes I try a player out and need to dump him 2 weeks later. My roster is fluid and I AM STAYING UNDER THE SALARY CAP!

PULEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE!

Slippy my dear friend, I seriously need more transactions. I'm like Trader Jack McCloskey of the Bad Boy Pistons. Sometimes I try a player out and need to dump him 2 weeks later. My roster is fluid and I AM STAYING UNDER THE SALARY CAP!

PULEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE!


i second the motion. what is the limit at the moment?

thanks for unlocking slippy. there are so many fresh young players to pick up, its like christmas!!

24 transactions and I have 23. I can make one more move and we're not even at the halfway point yet!

I have so many guys on my watchlist, I NEED THIS!

24 transactions and I have 23. I can make one more move and we're not even at the halfway point yet!

I have so many guys on my watchlist, I NEED THIS!


i have heaps too, i want to add them all to my team even though i dont need them, just so nobody else can have them! i'm greedy. :stirthepot:

seriously, if slippy is not going to up the transactions we need to know now. otherwise i will trade eddy curry for 15 transactions.

i'm fine with a max limit of 5 transactions :D

Limit upped to 40 transactions.

Limit upped to 40 transactions.


God bless you mr. skywalker.

I just needed to make one transaction knowing it wouldn't max me out.

HELLO MR. HAWAII!!

Thanks Slippy. An unmarked envelope filled with cash is enroute to you.

Warthog, I am coming for you. I actually have a chance to do well in this league because there aren't many trades for bench bums!

BRING IT!!!!! my team is tight now that they've played so many games together. that unity is going to dominate...DOMINATE!!

what was the final solution on the ranking problem? How do you know if a guy's available or not?

what was the final solution on the ranking problem? How do you know if a guy's available or not?

go by the pre-ranked excluded players list from before the draft.

http://www.pistonsforum.com/64687-post176.html

if you don't have the players excluded list let me know and i will post a copy of mine.

what the hell. i made the list.

so if you happened to pick up a guy from this list who dropped outside the 140's earlier in the season, well done. however that can't happen anymore cos yahoo screwed the rankings.

also, i think that if you drop a guy who was over 139 at the time, but appears on the exclude list he can no longer be picked up.
eg. damon jones is in the exclude list. he dropped down to 150 earlier in the season. someone picked him up. they now realise he sucks and drop him. he can now no longer be picked up by anyone for the rest of the season.

http://geocities.com/fisichella11/exclude.jpg

woah! webz for commish! nice one

Hi, I mistakenly picked up Brandon Roy.

I've set him to inactive tonight, and selected a new player to play tomorrow.

My bad, thanks to webz for letting me know. I just assumed he was outside the list and didn't check.

Hey webz, I'm short a player tonight. This week will be the equivalent of kicking your butt with one hand tied behind my back. BRING IT ON!

Hey webz, I'm short a player tonight. This week will be the equivalent of kicking your butt with one hand tied behind my back. BRING IT ON!

Boo hoo. thats what you get for trying to pull a shifty.

Kimmie has come as close as possible to beating me. We're tied 5-5.

Kudos to Kim for almost toppling my team!

i think it's time i actually look at my lineups. having nazr probably isn't cutting it anymore :(

what the hell. i made the list.

http://geocities.com/fisichella11/exclude.jpg

Okay I've been avoiding making any moves at all in this League because of this ranking changing thing and how hard it is to see who really is available from the Yahoo website. I just want confirmation from one of you guys. Am I correct that the only players that are off limits are the ones in the exclude list above? My list from draft day has Alonzo in the exclude list, but Mo Williams and Marko Jaric are not on it. I'm sure it all depended on when you made your exclude list before the draft.

So again and for hopefully the last time: I can take any player that is available that is not on this list that WebZ did for us? Okay like right now Brendan Haywood is O-ranked at #150, however he is on the exclude list from draft day at #135. So that means I can't take him, right? And conversely, Rasho Nasterovic was not on the draft day exclude list, but is now O-ranked at #136. So that means I can take him right?

I have two positions that are languishing that I must replace if I have any chance of making a push in the playoffs. My little sleeper team is suffering from neglect, so someone just let me know if I'm on the right track. Thank you!!!

Am I correct that the only players that are off limits are the ones in the exclude list above?...

So again and for hopefully the last time: I can take any player that is available that is not on this list that WebZ did for us?

I have two positions that are languishing that I must replace if I have any chance of making a push in the playoffs. My little sleeper team is suffering from neglect, so someone just let me know if I'm on the right track. Thank you!!!

Okay I couldn't stand to wait anymore. I added Matt Carroll because he is doing great on my novice team and Erik Dampier because I just like the guy.

Please let me know if I messed up and these guys are off limits. Neither is on the official WebZ exclude list from draft day.

Am I correct that the only players that are off limits are the ones in the exclude list above? My list from draft day has Alonzo in the exclude list, but Mo Williams and Marko Jaric are not on it. I'm sure it all depended on when you made your exclude list before the draft.

Thats the way I see it, although Slippy is the commish and can confirm. The o-list changed the day of the draft, if you remember Prof picked Williams because he was outside the exclude list the day prior to the draft when he made his exclude list, but moved inside the 140 the day of the draft, which may be why your exclude list is different as well. I'm pretty sure mine is correct.

So again and for hopefully the last time: I can take any player that is available that is not on this list that WebZ did for us? Okay like right now Brendan Haywood is O-ranked at #150, however he is on the exclude list from draft day at #135. So that means I can't take him, right? And conversely, Rasho Nasterovic was not on the draft day exclude list, but is now O-ranked at #136. So that means I can take him right?

Yes and yes. Using this list is the easiest way forward I reckon. Its an easy to see reference that is the same for everyone.


Okay I couldn't stand to wait anymore. I added Matt Carroll because he is doing great on my novice team and Erik Dampier because I just like the guy.

Please let me know if I messed up and these guys are off limits. Neither is on the official WebZ exclude list from draft day.

Looks alright to me.

webz is correct and you are ok.

hey slippy,

do we get an extra 5 moves for the playoffs? :MusicBigGrin:

Make that 10. PLS

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRAARAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH!

i am SO riding my 1 move made all season into the playoffs...consistency baby!! err yeah :)

So Slip, after you agreed to give us an extra 5 or 10 moves for the playoffs last week....

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRAARAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH!

... when should we expect them to kick in? :MusicBigGrin:

I believe slippy is currently driving across the country. We may be out of luck.

I believe slippy is currently driving across the country. We may be out of luck.

fantastic! what to do with my 2 moves..... hmmmm.:sssh:

do I get a "2007 Sleeper League Champion" below my user name? :MusicBigGrin:
But I've got to admit that it wasn't quite fair since I got to draft as first and their where already about 2 weeks played in the season.
If the Sleeper League starts earlier next season it will be much more interesting! Good idea anyway!

well done Ralphi.

I ran out of moves before the final week, then had 2 guys go down with injuries. :yellowprison:

Anyway it was a cool league, only hope next year we get more moves!

I had fun too. I was hoping to finally win a fantasy league, but I am happy with my 3rd place finish.

Thanks everyone for playing and Slippy for giving us an interesting new format to play under.

Congratulations Ralphi. Sounds like all had a good time.