Wow, what a hard hitting, bone rattling game this could be. It's like two locomotives on the same track heading towards each other. The current difference between OSU and UM is 16 points. UM has an awesome defense. OSU's is just a little better. The primary difference is UM has a decent offense, OSU's is much better. This all changes however, now that Manningham is coming back into the equation. I haven't studied out how much Manningham is worth to the Wolverine offense, but if he is worth 14 points extra per game, then I would say OSU should be favored by about two points. Either team can win. I'd say UM has the taste of two defeats in their mouths so that could push the balance into UM's favor. I still say OSU will win because of Troy Smith and Mr. Sweatervest. OSU by 7.

From what I can see in the nation, if these two teams play in a very tight game, I say they need to play in the NC game. These Louisville, West Virginia teams would get absolutely waxed by OSU or UM. These teams with porous defenses would not be able to compete with either OSU or UM.

Question is how far will the loser drop in the polls.
How much is O's offense dependent on their running game. Cause there won't be any run game by O.
M's 24
O's 12

I doubt if the loser will be in the NC game. OSU has a little better chance. OSU would have to fall two places to UM's one. My guess is OSU will drop out of the top three if they lose however.

Some would like to see them do it again in a bowl. The BCS is in trouble.
Something tells me we will have conational champs this year.

Wow, already talking about "The Game." Still two weeks to go. DeBord's final exam is in two weeks so I hope he's cramming. I'm not worried about Ron English's defense. English has shown enough fire to me that he should be the guy in charge, not Carr. English would be a formidable challenge for Sweater Vest. The guy wants to win. He's intense. He's the anti-Lloyd. It's amazing UM would hire a guy like English, someone who actually wants to win and punish the opposition. Tressel KNOWS he OWNS Carr.

The game in the horsehoe IS the national championship... jess played a little earlier.

Damn 2 weeks away, it's not the superbowl. If it goes into overtime M won't drop in the polls.

If Michigan loses they'll fall below an undefeated Louisville, a one loss Texas and a one loss USC. At least. The only way to have a rematch is if Michigan wins a close one. Then Michigan goes to #1 and Ohio State can maybe stay in #2.

If Michigan loses they'll fall below an undefeated Louisville, a one loss Texas and a one loss USC. At least. The only way to have a rematch is if Michigan wins a close one. Then Michigan goes to #1 and Ohio State can maybe stay in #2.
I don't think it's possible for two teams in the same conf to play for the National Ship.

Three more days and counting down to the big game... I'm really lookin forward to this game.

How did Manningham look in the last 2 games? Is he back to the level that he starting the season at?

I'll be wearing a different avatar on game day.





OSU

I saw a poll on ESPN News poll that showed that there were 48 Red states indicating that OSU would win and 2 Blue states for the Wolverines including of course the state of Michigan and Wyoming?

Even in the AP and Coaches Polls, the Buckeyes got an almost unanimous 64 and 62 votes to Michigan's 1 first place vote in each poll. That means that an overwhelming panel of experts from the casual fan, sports media and NCAA coaches feel that a win by Michigan would be a major upset.

I am sure with the legion of Wolverine fans around the country, most are hoping/praying that the Maise in Blue win, but OSU has just looked more dominent in their wins than Carr's conservative, casual bunch...

A close Michigan victory will probably set up rematch with the OSU. but a win by the Buckeyes of more than 10 pts probably means the Wolverines slip to 3rd or 4th in the Bull:censored:-CS rankings and they do not get shot at the BCS championship game.

GO BLUE :thumb:

I saw a poll on ESPN News poll that showed that there were 48 Red states indicating that OSU would win and 2 Blue states for the Wolverines including of course the state of Michigan and Wyoming?



Wyoming only has about 25 people so it was probably a 13-12 vote. :6shoot:Not exactly a scientific poll.

Most states thought OSU would win, but the margin within each state was about 55-45. So, it would not really be considered that big of an upset... unless we are using and electorate system.

The real way to tell is to look at the Vegas odds.

Wyoming only has about 25 people so it was probably a 13-12 vote. :6shoot:Not exactly a scientific poll.

F U U U N N E E E :pound: !

I do think the Buckeyes are more the favorite than they should be. That worries me a lot. It seems that through the years, when OSU was an overwhelming favorite Michigan won an awfully large percentage of the time.

I can say that I am expecting a tremendous game. Nobody better call me Saturday afternoon :gun1: :gun1: :gun1: :hanged2: :messer:

Number 2 beating Number 1 can't really be considered that much of an upset.

I mean, why do we care what fans think?

Aren't they the morons who vote for the All-Star team too?

Flashback to the 90's when the Buckeye fans watched in horror as some highly ranked Ohio State teams regularly lost "The Game" :football: and a chance at the National Title.

GO BLUE! :winner_first_h4h:

As a Spartan, this will be my first UM-OSU game that I won't be cheering OSU. I won't be cheering UM either...I just want to see one helluva game!

NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP...Big 10 style!

I'll be wearing a different avatar on game day.





OSU


Sounds like you're cheering AGAINST UM to me. Sorry to hear that.

History is, the the team with the most to lose , usually loses.
Det, why would you go against the state when the enemy is O.S. Uptight Sparty.
Notes: of 600 game minutes O.S. has trailed 24 min. U.M. 17 min.
O.S. offense makes their D look better because the O is on the field more.
Mi casa es usted casa. Throw away the stats. Who wants it the most?
TDFast, that's what I've been hearing.

Sounds like you're cheering AGAINST UM to me. Sorry to hear that.

I despise them. I don't like OSU but I hate U of M.

It's a "Hobson's choice" but I'll go with the Red team. I'm fairly certain the majority of Blue folken would root against the green in similar circumstances. Impossible to say, since MSU sucks every year.

There is no way that a true Michigan fan would root for OSU to beat MSU.

I think that UofM and MSU are more friendly rivals than arch enemies.

Any predictions? I'm going with OSU 24 to 10.

There is no way that a true Michigan fan would root for OSU to beat MSU.

I think that UofM and MSU are more friendly rivals than arch enemies.

Don't take offense, but I see that as the AA perspective of the MSU-UM rivalry. UM considers it a 'friendly' rivalry because UM has had the upper hand with MSU since the time Bo started as head coach.

MSU's last Rose Bowl appearance was 1988 when we thumped USC 20-17. As Tater said, MSU football sucks! Sparty is pissed! and will one-day claim his revenge. I hope UM'ers will consider it a 'friendly rivalry' after having their ass kicked for the better part of 30 years.

Det, why would you go against the state when the enemy is O.S.

It's got nothing to do with 'going against the state'. You need to spend 20 or 30 years in Sparty's cleated football sandals to understand.

That said...I don't hate UM...may the better team win on Saturday.

There is no way that a true Michigan fan would root for OSU to beat MSU.

I think that UofM and MSU are more friendly rivals than arch enemies.

Friendly rivals? C'mon Tay. MANY U of M fans won't even acknowledge there is a rivalry. They believe MSU is waaaay beneath them. Maybe that is truly the case many times.

If U of M wins, I'll be happy for guys like Gazoo and a few friends back home. But I will root for OSU all the way.

Go Buckeyes. (Yuck).

Friendly rivals? C'mon Tay. MANY U of M fans won't even acknowledge there is a rivalry. They believe MSU is waaaay beneath them. Maybe that is truly the case many times.

that's the funniest thing. a lot of those fans (and i know SEVERAL) couldn't even get in to MSU if they tried, let alone U of M. but they feel MSU is beneath them. hilarious stuff.

i'm an MSU fan all the way, but i'll be rooting for Michigan to kick Ohio State's ass on Saturday.

I'm thinking Buckeyes 27 - 17 :stirthepot: :argue: :boink: :sorry:

Because I grew up in Michigan, I had a lot of friends that ended up going to MSU. I'd head up to Lansing every time I really wanted to party. Maybe that's why I consider it friendly... all the co-mingling.

I'd root for Michigan in the Big Ten. If they were out of it, I'd root for MSU. If it were a Big Ten team against a non Big Ten team, I'd root for any of the Big Ten teams that didn't have Ohio in their names.

However, if it meant a National Championship, I'd even root for OSU over a ND, USC, FSU, etc.

Well said TaS, I must confess I frown on Sparty when they play UoM, cause it's just a power try for them to ruin UoM's season. Which UoM can do themselves.But wasn't it nice a few years back when Sparty got revenge on O.S. after they had beaten UoM? I think O.S. had a unbeaten season going until then.
...Sparty has a serious inferiority complex. Kinda like Lion fan.

Its kid of sad how 80% of the total State of Michigan populas is against the Wolverines and 100% of the State of Ohio. You would think UM was the anti-christ of college football.

80% of the state against the wolverines? seems like the other way around to me...

btw bo schembechler passed away while taping Big Ten Ticket this morning. pretty crazy to happen the day before the big game.

Report: Michigan legend Schembechler dies after collapse - NCAA Football - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=AgYb7Q61dIyQSvhEiAb62y85nYcB?slug=michig anschembechler&prov=st&type=lgns)

80% of the state against the wolverines? seems like the other way around to me...

btw bo schembechler passed away while taping Big Ten Ticket this morning. pretty crazy to happen the day before the big game.

Report: Michigan legend Schembechler dies after collapse - NCAA Football - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=AgYb7Q61dIyQSvhEiAb62y85nYcB?slug=michig anschembechler&prov=st&type=lgns)WOW! How ironic.

That'll give UM extra motivation.

RIP...Bo Schembechler. We will miss you buddy

From all the things I have heard about and from Bo, I wouldn't put it past him to die on the day before the UM-OSU game, just to give the 'Boyz in Blue' a little extra motivation.

I say this with total respect and admiration, not as a joke. I could just imagine Bo doing something like that just to help his boys against that hated OSU.

He probably had that much loyalty to UM.

We'll will miss that, even the OSU fans. I remember so well the times
OSU came up here with the best record, needing another victory, only to be sent packing.

Long may this rivalry live :cheerleader: :cheers: !!!!!!

Lazy, are you trying to say that he stopped taking his meds just to insure the final victory?
:hmmm:

The Dead Schembechlers band when from funny to tasteless overnight.

Its kid of sad how 80% of the total State of Michigan populas is against the Wolverines and 100% of the State of Ohio. You would think UM was the anti-christ of college football.

Stats. I want to see where in the world you came up with those crazy numbers. LOL.

Bummer on Shembechler. RIP.

That guarantees a U of M victory though. Watch them win it on some miracle play at the end...compliments of Bo.

He's probably up there fighting with Woody Hayes already and loving every minute.

The Dead Schembechlers band when from funny to tasteless overnight.
I thought the same thing when I heard today.

Why does this have to be a national rematch? Why not let OS and UM do it again in the Motor City Bowl at the SilverDome? This is personal. We don't need no stinkin' national media.

If you would like chat to be open for this game, reply back to this trhead.

Game starts in 15 minutes right.

Roscoe, this story is for you!!!

You know how OSU fans have this absolute hatred of anything UM? I just saw this sign at the stadium that said Wolverines are CANADIANS.:pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound:

Game starts in 15 minutes right.

It's a 3:30 start, bro.

so 45 minutes...45 min. of hype.

I have picture and audio on ABC.
But no chat.

The Dead Schembechlers band when from funny to tasteless overnight.
I read today that their last performance was last night and they were giving the proceeds to Bo's family to donate to a charity.

Chat's open but I have to go out for a bit. Have fun folks.

Its off to a good start. Only going to see the 1st half since I am going to the Pistons game.

on the 80% thing. Just seemed like every talk show and conversation I had were many hoping for a UM loss just because they are UM. I know all State fans seem to hope no one from the State of Michigan has any success unless its them.

Maybe most are for UM in the State but those who are not the Ohio State coach and fans seem to think its a State thing rather than a regional Michigan issue.

Either way, whatever you get the most enjoyment from I suppose.

Ohio State is simply so much better than Michigan, quite frankly, the Wolverines should feel privileged to be ranked #2. The gap is huge.

Ohio State is simply so much better than Michigan, quite frankly, the Wolverines should feel privileged to be ranked #2. The gap is huge.

GREAT GAME! :pound:

Ohio State is simply so much better than Michigan, quite frankly, the Wolverines should feel privileged to be ranked #2. The gap is huge.


Sadly I agree. It looks like Michigan's defense is overrated. Leon Hall a top ten draft pick?? I just don't see it especially seeing the way he has played today. Big players step up in big games. He looks more like Terry Fair to me.:stirthepot:

I do have to say the non stop swinging from the jock strap of the Buckeyes by these bias play by play people is sicking. It must be in the contract to hate all teams from the state of Michigan.

Ohio State is simply so much better than Michigan, quite frankly, the Wolverines should feel privileged to be ranked #2. The gap is huge.interception...say what?????????/

y aint we in the chat room?

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

YESSSIR!!!!!!!!

Nice try by Michigan.

OSU was the better team, but you guys played a good game and almost pulled it out.

I look forward to booing you in your bowl game.

Nice try by Michigan.

OSU was the better team, but you guys played a good game and almost pulled it out.

I look forward to booing you in your bowl game.

It was an entertaining game. Not much defense. Congrats Buckeyes#1. Ohio State wins. Again. Sigh.

:football:Deep down in side every Wolverine fan knew that the Buckeyes would find away to win this one..after all we have Lloyd Carr as the coach. :nono:

But the game was good and with the closeness of the score, deserves a rematch. Two long runs from scrimmage by the Buckeyes and personal foul inside the last 6 minutes were the difference in the game, but that is why they came in and stayed # 1.

As they say, we'll get them next whether it is January 3rd with Troy Smith in AZ or next November without Troy in AA.

It was an entertaining game. Not much defense. Congrats Buckeyes#1. Ohio State wins. Again. Sigh.


Thanks ggazoo69. Maybe there will be a rematch! I hope so! The best rivalry in all of sports (sorry Piston fans) two times in two months!!! I do think UM is the #2 team in the nation. No shame to lose to the #1 team by 3 points on their field.

For many years I have believed that if the No 2 team loses to the No 1, they should not drop at all. The #1 is supposed to beat the #2.

I think Rutgers was losing, and who else can claim to be better than UM, except OSU?? Nobody, that's who !!!

Did they have to call that helmet to helmet personal foul?

He chased him all the way across the field.
It did not appear intentional.
It was 3 and 15 and there was no chance of completion.
The QB was not even shaken up, much less hurt by the contact.

I'm not saying that U of M would have won, but the game was really revving up to be an all time classic. The Instead of being down 4 with 7 minutes, it was a 2 score game with 5 minutes. Huge difference.

It was a great game anyway, but who wants to see a judgment call on a play that didn't affect the game determine the outcome... besides Musberger.

Did they have to call that helmet to helmet personal foul?

He chased him all the way across the field.
It did not appear intentional.
It was 3 and 15 and there was no chance of completion.
The QB was not even shaken up, much less hurt by the contact.

I'm not saying that U of M would have won, but the game was really revving up to be an all time classic. The Instead of being down 4 with 7 minutes, it was a 2 score game with 5 minutes. Huge difference.

It was a great game anyway, but who wants to see a judgment call on a play that didn't affect the game determine the outcome... besides Musberger.

Actually, I've spent most of the evening on the UM forum at detnews and much to my surprise, they were basically unanimous that it was the UM players fault. None of them were blaming the officials on that one. OSU had a similar call go against them earlier in the game when they hit their center on the punt. The refs called it right both times but I think both rules are lame.

The personal foul was called because of the helmet to helmet, but how many of those occurred during the game that wasn't called? Can't say it was the key play of the game at this time, but it defined the the last six minutes of the game and ended the Wolverines chances of pulling out a come from behind thrilling instant classic when they were in striking distance.

Where was the deef? 900 yards and 81 points from the two best defensive teams in the country???

A let down loss by USC to UCLA after beating the irish next week, could put the Wolverines in the National title game where they have 50 days to figure out Troy Smith and Buckeye spread offense. I doubt that the Bucs could squeeze off long runs like they did today. Give them credit as deserve their number 1 ranking...

I'm not saying it was a wrong call. It just didn't need to be called. The purpose of that rule is to deter future hits like that. It didn't have any affect on the play whatsoever. To me, it is like an excessive celebration penalty. Those are fine, but not in a situation that determines the probable outcome of the "game of the century."

I mean automatic 1st down and 15 yards? That gave them new life and place them directly in fields goal range. Way too much for a borderline hit that occured in bounds.

Ohio State is simply so much better than Michigan, quite frankly, the Wolverines should feel privileged to be ranked #2. The gap is huge.

It was only a 3 point win.

Who knows the 2 teams may play again. If UM is still ranked #2 that is.

It was only a 3 point win.

Who knows the 2 teams may play again. If UM is still ranked #2 that is.

I think USC will move past 'em, Max. Hope I'm wrong. A wise person on the detnews Big 10 forum said that USC would probably beat UM in a head-to-head because Pete Carroll would outcoach Lloyd and his band of reknown. And I agree.

The BCS demands O.S. play one more game. O.S. doesn't determine the opponent. Any faltering of the top teams and Mich. is back in.
So if played on a neutral field do you think O.S. could put up 500 yds of O. again?

The BCS demands O.S. play one more game. O.S. doesn't determine the opponent. Any faltering of the top teams and Mich. is back in.
So if played on a neutral field do you think O.S. could put up 500 yds of O. again?

One thing has not been brought up, at least I don't think so. That is, the condition of the field. I wonder if the fresh re-sodding of the field and the huge amount of rain since then, effected the offense or the defense more. I am wondering if that is a reason both teams scored as high as they did.

I do think that both teams had offenses that were underrated and therefore scored higher than we thought.

put those guys on a fast field and total points would be 100.
A Bo team would have been blown off the field. Did Mich lose a Dlineman to injury?

Tresel (sp) always comes up with a new wrinkle to burn Michigan... the 5 receivers was a brilliant manuever. The Lion diehards know the way to beat "run n shoot" is to blitz the QB (more defenders on the line than the offense).
Hats off to the Buckeyes O line for slowing down the pass rush that appeared unstoppable.

Rematch... Rematch!

If anyone here has ever played backyard football, you know that a sloppy field favors the offense. There is a reason that single coverage doesn't work in the NFL. Whoever makes the first move has the advantage. That is magnified when the defender can't cut.

This is a big reason for those break out plays where the offensive player didn't make any cuts at all.

ESPN reported that UM is still ranked at #2 since the game was so close. Good news for most outside of Lansing.

They were saying that since UM beat NotreDame earlier that ND has to beat USC for UM to hang onto the #2.

So if ND wins we get the rematch, if USC wins then its not going to happen.

ESPN reported that UM is still ranked at #2 since the game was so close. Good news for most outside of Lansing.

They were saying that since UM beat NotreDame earlier that ND has to beat USC for UM to hang onto the #2.

So if ND wins we get the rematch, if USC wins then its not going to happen.

Just one more reason for a playoff... who exactly is preventing this from happening?... seems like nobody supports the current system.

Just one more reason for a playoff... who exactly is preventing this from happening?... seems like nobody supports the current system.

One would think so. Take the top 10 teams or so and have 1 game elimination.

I don't really follow it that much so perhaps someone who does can provide some insight. Its better than the previous system where there was not even a title game. Just too many schools now.

It seems to me that if you keep adding games, the players would not have much time to do actual classroom work. The primary reason for kids to go to college is to get an education and it keeps getting more and more difficult.

If most of the college football players are going to make a career of it, then the games would be more important than they are even now. But such a small percentage of college athletes earn a living at it, they just have to get some education.

When you see the playbooks they have to learn for sports, it is a wonder they have any brain space left for college studies.

I was roomates with an athlete from Michigan and hung out with a lot of the other guys in the programs. Trust me, their grades will not suffer by playing a few extra games.

A good system would be to take the top 8 teams and run a 3 week playoff system like the final four tourney in bball. It would be huge. 1 and 2 loss teams could still have a shot at it. It would eliminate the situations where teams have to disrespect smaller schools by blowing them out. If you are on the bubble and don't get in, you probably don't have a shot of winning it all anyway. They could cut one of the non-conference games at the start of the season to make room for it.

3 weeks is too long...I think 2 weeks and the top 4 teams would be good

I just think that the 5th team in the country still has a shot at winning it all. The 9th team... probably not.

My system would be better for MSU.

One bowl before Christmas should be enough to find the missing teams.

I just think that the 5th team in the country still has a shot at winning it all. The 9th team... probably not.

My system would be better for MSU.LOL! Thanks for thinking of MSU, but I don't see them in the top 10 for another 10 years! ;)

Well boys. Get ready for OSU - UM II !!!

UPSET! USC's third appearence in the national title game is over with! The final BCS numbers will be announced on Sunday and the rest of the bowl pairings will be too. Thank you UCLA.

Any chance Florida gets in instead of U of M?

Any chance Florida gets in instead of U of M?


Yep. I'd say they have about a 40% chance. Maybe 40.1%

Florida down 21-17 to Arkansas in third quarter. Hopefully Arkansas can pull this one out...

Any chance Florida gets in instead of U of M?


I'd say 20%, maybe 20.1%

Michigan or Florida?
Florida ended up winning 38-28 over No. 8 Arkansas. Now it's up to tomorrow.

If U of M does nor get in the national title game you can blame the lame Big Ten for not having a conference title game. To me it is so stupid to have teams playing more games than other teams. How can you come out with a fair ranking?

Everyone talks about the strength of schedule and quality of wins. When comparing two 1 loss teams, I'm more interested in who each team lost to. Florida lost to an 11th ranked team and got shut out in the 2nd half. Michigan lost to the #1 ranked team... and got screwed on a "helmet to helmet" call.

By the way, did anyone notice the helmet-first hit by USC today in the same exact situation on a 3rd and long? It was about 5 times more vicious and it was a no call. I'm surprised the QB got up from it.

Lets get it on... Buckeyes are gonna see a new neutral opponent.
GO Blue!

I'm worried about the Rose Bowl. Maybe a 3rd place Wisconson team and the tie winner of Pac.10, USC went last so they give it up.
If UoM and O.S. get it on again.

While I personally think a rematch would be interesting, I believe Michigan already had their shot. Fair and square. Give someone else a chance now.

Here is Wetzel's take:

Florida or Michigan? - NCAA Football - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=Atgdvj5Gnkd9pK4lC.PMDZQ5nYcB?slug=dw-secchampionship120206&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

U of M had their shot, but it was on OSU's field (which was mush) and it was an incredibly close game. I don't think Florida would have won that game at the horse shoe.

If you look at the ESPN poll, 2/3 of Ohio thinks that they should play Florida. That tells you right there that Michigan is the better team.

I just have a bad feeling about this. Florida is going to go.

Any chance Florida gets in instead of U of M?


I'd say 99% maybe 99.1%

It is Michigans job to perservere against Ohio. And vise versa.
Tate your last post totally sucked.

Florida's in. Michigan's out.

saying michigan had their shot is BS. they only lost by 3, to the #1 team, on the road. florida's loss was to a worse team and they've been rocky the whole year.

and screw the announcer for the florida game last night, what a biased tard.

It is Michigans job to perservere against Ohio. And vise versa.
Tate your last post totally sucked.

Not my fault they couldn't get the job done when they had to. But, yeah, must have been the home field advantage. U of M is never responsible for their losses. It just wasn't fair. Let's give them another shot. Better field. Better weather. Let's keep doing it until they get it right.

But as always I welcome your insightful analyses of my posts. Keep it coming. :)

Nothing is official yet...only leaks.

Who would have ever thot a Big 10 title game between UM & OSU would get settled 40-37...and the PAC 10 finale finish 13-9 with USC blowing it?

This is very hard for me to say being a Sparty...UM should play OSU...they are the two best teams. For the last couple of weeks, I thought otherwise figuring UM had it's shot at OSU. But the games over the last two Saturdays have brought me to the conclusion the two should meet again on neutral turf as #1 & #2.

If it is Florida...look for OSU by 14.

I wonder what the spread would be if it were OSU UofM.

Any chance Florida gets in instead of U of M?


I'd say it would be 100%

I think UM got boned. OSU will cream Florida and UM will roll over USC...leaving all of us right where we were before today.

Something needs to be done to alleviate the controversy. The BCS needs a Final Four. It only makes sense...and it gives the networks an extra game of revenue. The 'BCS Bowl'?

The whole BCS is a joke. The only reason why they don't have a playoff system is because the different bowls would become irrealvent which would mean revenue out the window as advertisers would lose out that sponsor the bowls. Also the whole arguement about having a playoff would hurt the kids is complete bull. They don't care about the kids. It is all about money.

It is very simple to settle this. Top 8 teams by ranking play in a playoff for the national title. 1 seed faces 8 seed, etc. This would add 2 more games to the season. Have the games on Thursady and Friday nights in December so they don't interfere with Pro Football and after finals so the kids are done with school.


I think Carr hurt his team by not campaigning for his team to be in the championship game. After the Florida coach dissed Michigan by saying Michigan did not deserve a rematch was totally out of line. Carr should have lit into him and Florida. Carr is always passive but this was the one time he should have stood up for his program and more importantly his kids who deserve to play in the national title game because they are the 2nd best team in the country. I have watched 2 Florida games and I was not impressed. They will get blown off the field by Ohio State.

Winless

I think adding an extra two games to the collegiate schedule is a bit much on the kids. I'm not sure exactly how the BCS formulas are weighted, but I think they're good enough to determine a top four...meaning just one extra game. It's not like the winner of the lower 2 BCS games could take claim to a championship anyway. There could be times where a #5 is deserving of having a shot, but the line has to be drawn somewhere in considering they're college kids.

The whole BCS is a joke. The only reason why they don't have a playoff system is because the different bowls would become irrealvent which would mean revenue out the window as advertisers would lose out that sponsor the bowls. Also the whole arguement about having a playoff would hurt the kids is complete bull. They don't care about the kids. It is all about money.

It is very simple to settle this. Top 8 teams by ranking play in a playoff for the national title. 1 seed faces 8 seed, etc. This would add 2 more games to the season. Have the games on Thursady and Friday nights in December so they don't interfere with Pro Football and after finals so the kids are done with school.


I think Carr hurt his team by not campaigning for his team to be in the championship game. After the Florida coach dissed Michigan by saying Michigan did not deserve a rematch was totally out of line. Carr should have lit into him and Florida. Carr is always passive but this was the one time he should have stood up for his program and more importantly his kids who deserve to play in the national title game because they are the 2nd best team in the country. I have watched 2 Florida games and I was not impressed. They will get blown off the field by Ohio State.

In my opinion, it is a myth to say that the bowls would become irrelevant if they go to a playoff system. You can easily keep the bowls in place and relevent for the nontournement teams, and still have an 8 team tournament at the same time; and adding just one extra game for only two teams (the two in the NC game). First off, you have each team cancel one meaningless game during the season. For example, OSU should not be playing BGSU and UM should not be playing Ball State. Scheduling games where the outcome is certain is ludicrous. In the first weekend of December, you have 4 games scheduled for the top 8 teams. Now it is down to four teams. The bowls are now scheduled and those four teams would play in two of the January 1st day bowl games. So far no extra games have been played, the bowls are still intact, and there is only one game left to play. The NC game is then scheduled on January 8th of each year.

buck...the only problem in your system is that they would need to delete one "meaningless" game from the schedule of every 1A team in the country

buck...the only problem in your system is that they would need to delete one "meaningless" game from the schedule of every 1A team in the country


That's right. That should not be a problem. That's why it is called meaningless.

That's right. That should not be a problem. That's why it is called meaningless.You're neglecting the financial impact to the many teams that don't have a chance at a title.

buck...the only problem in your system is that they would need to delete one "meaningless" game from the schedule of every 1A team in the country


90% of these schools already know they aren't going to an NC game anyways. If they are that hard up for money (because they pay there players too much), they can schedule one during there bye week. Since they don't need their first stringers anyways to win these games, sit them and they still get their bye week. The second, third, fourth, and fifth stringers would be thrilled anyways. Everyone still wins except the paying season ticket holders that do not want to be force to pay for a meaningless game.

90% of these schools already know they aren't going to an NC game anyways. If they are that hard up for money (because they pay there players too much), they can schedule one during there bye week. Since they don't need their first stringers anyways to win these games, sit them and they still get their bye week. The second, third, fourth, and fifth stringers would be thrilled anyways. Everyone still wins except the paying season ticket holders that do not want to be force to pay for a meaningless game.A bit pompous buck...believe it or not...OSU will be a Big 10 #4 or less one year...maybe next year. :wedgie:

A bit pompous buck...believe it or not...OSU will be a Big 10 #4 or less one year...maybe next year. :wedgie:


Food4thot. Thanks for telling me. My apologies. It wasn't my intent to come across that way.

The only thing Carr can do now is challenge Florida to an unsactioned game of back yard football. No pads.

how about gators and rines mid Dec. winner gets O.
Tate your last post was much better.
WW, I agree Carr should of fired a classless shot at Florida.
But then he would have to eat his words cause SEC teams usually kick his azz.

Would it have any effect on the eventual national championship if SoCal beats OSU by a little bit and UM clobbers their foe in their bowl. It used to be that UM would have had a good chance, but I don't know if now the winner of the BCS bowl game is automatically the national champ these days.

I don't think SC will beat OSU but I believe UM can completely dominate whoever they play.

Should Carr have campaigned?

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If florida beats O.S. they're Nat. Champs.
I was wrong about the Rose Bowl thing. USC is in because they didn't play in the Rose Bowl last year.
Tate, what if O.S. blows out Florida? And UoM creams USC.
Everybody will be back tracking.

If florida beats O.S. they're Nat. Champs.
I was wrong about the Rose Bowl thing. USC is in because they didn't play in the Rose Bowl last year.
Tate, what if O.S. blows out Florida? And UoM creams USC.
Everybody will be back tracking.

I think both OSU and U of M are going to lose their bowl games. You heard it here first.

Why do they even have "the computer" if they don't like the results. The computer takes everything into account except for personal bias. If they don't like the answer it spits out, then they should modify the algorithm. It takes into account strength of schedule, quality of wins, etc. How pissed would you guys be if a committee voted that Dwyane Wade and the Heat would represent the East this year in the Finals based on flashy play, getting up more times than they're knocked down, and 1's, and other factors?

I think both OSU and U of M are going to lose their bowl games. You heard it here first.

Could happen....USC is playing in their backyard and will have some home crowd advantage there. Both teams will be smarting from not getting in the BCS NC game.:bs:

The Heisman tropy winner normally has a so-so bowl game so probable winner Troy Smith may not be on the top of his game.....:sssh:

My only questions is if USC had won this past saturday how many voters would have moved Florida up to #3 above idle Michigan? I am willing to bet that they would have stayed at # 4 despite winning the SEC championship vs Arkansa. :nod:

I think both OSU and U of M are going to lose their bowl games. You heard it here first.

Darth, defense wins the big games. Both OSU and UM will win.

You heard it here first.

Darth, defense wins the big games. Both OSU and UM will win.

You heard it here first.

I don't think much of the Big Ten. OSU and U of M are both good teams who dominated their conference, but it seems to me when they face real competition from the South or West they generally fall short.

I don't think much of the Big Ten. OSU and U of M are both good teams who dominated their conference, but it seems to me when they face real competition from the South or West they generally fall short.

Why, whatever do you mean :sssh: :sssh: ? OSU beat Cincinnati, didn't they?

No, I am very dissatisfied that the Big 10 teams choose to play so much below their level in the non-conference games, to insure they will win. I can see no reason they play those games, although OSU did play Texas and UM I played Notre Dame. Just those few teams of lower quality spoil their strength of opponents stats because so many of the Big 10 teams are so bad.

The reason they go for easy wins is because in the current system you get penalized way more for a loss than an easy schedule. If you want to win a National Championship, you either need to be undefeated or belong to the SEC.

If you want to win a National Championship, you either need to be undefeated or belong to the SEC.

There's really no rhyme or reason to the whole thing. Remember that two years ago, Auburn went undefeated and won the SEC, yet they were left out of the BCS title game.

I think both OSU and U of M are going to lose their bowl games. You heard it here first.


Good Call! I hate that you were right but good call!

Also important is small schools get big money when they play Big Ten schools. I heard Houston got $300,000 for playing UoM years back. The smaller kids at these smaller schools sacrifice their body for their schools. Cause they sure as H get blown off the field.

Darth, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but my pride just would not allow me to go back on this thread before now :ohwell::yukpuke::football: !!

You did indeed have it correct :cheerleader: and I was so totally wrong :nerd2: .

:whoo::gaah: !!!

Berbs he was just taking the sour puss road all the way.

I love this thread. It makes me think about the highlights of the season. :gun1: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound:

Someone sent this to me after OSU lost:

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Someone sent this to me after OSU lost:

Why would somebody send you two red x's?

Fixed.

Fixed.

thanks.

In basketball tonight,

"Ohio State's fans pointed at Michigan's bench and chanted "N-I-T! N-I-T!" in the final minute.

That's cold.
:gun1: :gun1: :stirthepot: :cold:

Michican BBall is so stupid
I remember when they won the NIT about 8 years ago. So the next year year they bring back the same squad but instead of defending the NIT they [where they belonged] take the NCAA seed [around 63 mind you]
and promptly get KOed in the first round.
I'd rather rule in hell than be a punk in heaven.

I'd rather rule in hell than be a punk in heaven.

LOL.

They are usually too snooty to join the NIT. I'm surprised they accepted their rightful place last year.

Originally Posted by TheeTFD http://www.pistonsforum.com/images/pfv2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.pistonsforum.com/lions-football/4960-osu-vs-um-14.html#post72291)
I'd rather rule in hell than be a punk in heaven.





Not me. I'd rather be a urinal in heaven than rule in hell. Pee is about 1000 degrees cooler.