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RIP able to play?

Jason Maxiell has earned the time and he should now be given that time.

At least the travel time from LA to Oakland is short. For kicks, I think we should start Flip, Delf, AJ, Max and TAZR.

At least the travel time from LA to Oakland is short. For kicks, I think we should start Flip, Delf, AJ, Max and TAZR.

For that to happen, Joe D has to sell our starting 6 before the game starts. I guess that unit may have a total of 60 min of playing time (Flip Murray 40 min, Delf 10 min, AJ 0 min, JMax 5 min and TAZR 5 min).

Last season, Flip Senior has the love for Mo, this season i guess everyone in this forum knows who he has love for.......

How soon before Delfino demands a trade?

Delfino: I demand a trade!

Joe Dumars: Yeah, whatever.

Delfino: I will go to Barcelona, Los Angeles, Washington, Madrid!

Joe Dumars: You will go to White Castle and buy your teammates a case of slyders (http://www.whitecastle.com/_assets/images/food/menu/cheeseburger_lg.jpg), and that is the last I want to hear of this.

Delfino: I am calling my agent!

Joe Dumars: Yeah, ask him if he wants fries...

How soon before Delfino demands a trade?
Not for a while, as long the team can keep members of the Argentinian press at a safe distance.

Delfino: I demand a trade!

Joe Dumars: Yeah, whatever.

Delfino: I will go to Barcelona, Los Angeles, Washington, Madrid!

Joe Dumars: You will go to White Castle and buy your teammates a case of slyders (http://www.whitecastle.com/_assets/images/food/menu/cheeseburger_lg.jpg), and that is the last I want to hear of this.

Delfino: I am calling my agent!

Joe Dumars: Yeah, ask him if he wants fries...
LMAO... maybe he can get one of those monopoly pieces that says "just pass go and collect PT"

WEll the Delfino vs Mo matchup was a dud.... and the zone shut down Kobe.... what would Borat say bout this?


JRich is listed as questionable for tonights game... a W tonight and the Pistons are back on track... hope they got the legs for a fast paced transition game.

Watch out for Pietrus!

Chat will be open, I probably won't be around for this one (not on TV).

Have a great night everyone!

Disgraceful performance tonight. Pistons were down 20 after only 8 minutes, and it only got worse from then on.

I'm not as crazy as you all might think. This team's effort was laughable.

Can I state a very painful stat? Realize that I only point this out due to the sheer improbability of it.

Darko scored more than any Piston player tonight... against KG for crying out loud.


Nazr- 0 points? Dupree looking like he was playing for his career (no passing, forcing up shots in GTime, etc.)


The final score was a little misleading though, because if they would have just shot 40% from 3's, then it would have only been a 20 point loss.

I'm obviously disgruntled.

Can I state a very painful stat? Realize that I only point this out due to the sheer improbability of it.

Darko scored more than any Piston player tonight... against KG for crying out loud.


Nazr- 0 points? Dupree looking like he was playing for his career (no passing, forcing up shots in GTime, etc.)


The final score was a little misleading though, because if they would have just shot 40% from 3's, then it would have only been a 20 point loss.

I'm obviously disgruntled.

Man, thats not the half of it. We lack a highly mobile big who can cover the inside. Darko moves fast as most guards. And far worse, Darko and Orlando just played Indiana. Darko turns out to be one of the very few guys in the league who can put a clamp on Jermaine O'Neil scoring. And tonight, he bothered the heck out of Garnett. Sure Darko scored some tonight, but its his defense we sorely need.

At least we still have that old Piston Jekyl and Hyde persona. Against the Lakers the Pistons looked like they could be good enough for championship #4. Last night they looked like a team struggling for a playoff spot. Never know which team is going to show up.

Would have been nice to go into the homestand 4-3 ready to pad some wins. Now the Pistons will need the homestand to get back on track.

Another game that was over in the first 6 minutes--that is 4 out of 7. This has nothing to do with Darko or Ben for that matter--not when you play and lose like that over and over. Something is going on beneath the surface. What--I don't know...

We can't even get the initial pass in to start an offensive set as I pointed out a few days back. Only Tay brought any game with him. The team is disorganized, effort or no effort.

Players are continually asked to do things that they are not good at rather than play to their strengths.

The defense is non-existant.

Our first team scores about 8 points in the first 10 minutes...

One has to wonder how long this situation can last...

Quick observations:

Nice to see what happens when Flip has complete control of the team and personell that don't stifle his infamous playbook
We suck.
If Darko is emerging as an elite defender, he is no longer a good fit for Detroit.
If Flip runs into an offense that is superior to ours...which happens quite frequently...we are mud. We have a collection of balanced offensive and defensive players that are being forced to be an offensive jaugernaut. Only problem is...we're not.
Flip's coaching and ability to make in game adjustments gets worse as the season progresses
Our team does not look prepared.
We've lost our identity. We no longer know how to win.
When Ben left, the desire to be better defensively than the opposition left with him.
I wonder what's the magic number of losses before we can expect a Flip firing
Flip said he'd play the young fellas...what he forgot to mention is that it would be because we will be at the losing end of blowouts.
Rasheed has left the building. Doesn't look like he wants to be a Piston much longer based on his effort.
Pistons need a motivation coach. Time to bring back the Mr. T avatar....Low???

Quick observations:
Nice to see what happens when Flip has complete control of the team and personell that don't stifle his infamous playbook
We suck.
If Darko is emerging as an elite defender, he is no longer a good fit for Detroit.
If Flip runs into an offense that is superior to ours...which happens quite frequently...we are mud. We have a collection of balanced offensive and defensive players that are being forced to be an offensive jaugernaut. Only problem is...we're not.
Flip's coaching and ability to make in game adjustments gets worse as the season progresses
Our team does not look prepared.
We've lost our identity. We no longer know how to win.
When Ben left, the desire to be better defensively than the opposition left with him.
I wonder what's the magic number of losses before we can expect a Flip firing
Flip said he'd play the young fellas...what he forgot to mention is that it would be because we will be at the losing end of blowouts.
Rasheed has left the building. Doesn't look like he wants to be a Piston much longer based on his effort.
Pistons need a motivation coach. Time to bring back the Mr. T avatar....Low??? Should we need to open a "LET'S FIRE FLIP' thread yet?

Yes, we can bring the subject of "what if Ben is still around' again but bottom line is Ben would have still be a PISTON if Flip is not.

FLIP IS A LOSER until proven and I don't think he can prove it here at Detroit.

This one I really don't get. The Pistons continually frustrated the Lakers the night before by switching up the defensive schemes and playing a lot of zone. Against a team tearing it up I don't recall seeing a single defensive adjustment in the game. Not a single zoned possession that I remember. Not a single press. Not a single halfcourt trap. Nada.

I guess the good news is that last year in this situation the starters would have played ten minutes in the fourth.

Motown Pride:

A lot of good points (unfortunately).

Man, after the Laker game, I thought that the Pistons were about ready to break out. They were fine in about all departments, and that is even without Rip.

But that team who showed up last night was not the same bunch of guys.

Did anyone else notice the sudden burst of energy that the Pistons took on when JMax came in? Problem was that it did not last. It was like GS just kind of absorbed a body blow and came back same as before.

I wonder, along with some others, what is going on under the surface. Teams change faces sometimes, but the differences here were glaring.

I wonder what's the magic number of losses before we can expect a Flip firingI really thought that Flip would be given quite a bit of rope this year, however I'm not so sure now.

Joe D and Mr. D are both very proud men. I can't see them both passively sitting back and watching this team get embarrassed. Of course there is still a lot of season left to play, but if things continue as they are, we may see a change by the All Star break.

[/list]I really thought that Flip would be given quite a bit of rope this year, however I'm not so sure now.

Joe D and Mr. D are both very proud men. I can't see them both passively sitting back and watching this team get embarrassed. Of course there is still a lot of season left to play, but if things continue as they are, we may see a change by the All Star break.

I think we're more likely to see a trade before the deadline than a firing of the coach in midseason. Sets a dangerous precedent. People won't want to coach here.

Did anybody notice the offensive rebounding intensity when JMax, Amir, and Dupree were in there together? There were like Piranhas.

Flip may get fired, but Joe D has to take some responsibility if things continue like this.

It's one thing not to win every early season game. It's another to play flat out uninspired and LOSE.

There are eight games remaining this month for the Pistons. They face the NOK, the Wiz twice, Houston, Charlotte, Atlanta, Philly and I forget who else.

Those games IMO will be a good indicator of how this season will play out. I agree with what someone said earlier; either a trade or caoching change will be needed to shake this team up.

Perhaps, a coaching change and trade is in order here!

I think we're more likely to see a trade before the deadline than a firing of the coach in midseason. Sets a dangerous precedent. People won't want to coach here.
That's right ggazoo... even if we did get the "ideal coach" what's to say that he makes a difference with the talent here... which begs the question... is this still a ship capable group?

Joey D. will have to take some responsibilty for placing his trust in Flip. We had a team that was the envy of the entire league and only got one championship out of it. It seems as though this run ended way to prematurely. Bad two years for Joey D. Bad two years. To build a team predicated on defense and to lose a defensive oriented hall of fame coach and a defensive player of the year is a pretty steep fall. I find it hard to believe that there was no way to keep this together a little bit better. Oh well, I still wouldn't trade Joey D. for anyone. Let's just hope he learns from his miscues.

I am speachless. To get smoked by Golden State? This season is not looking good thus far. There is no defense what so ever. Teams are scoring in the paint at will. The Pistons are kidding themself if they think they can become the Phoenix team of the East. They don't have one pure scorer on the team that can create his own shot. This is why Flip will fail he has sacrificed our team defense for his offensive system that does not have the dominate post presence or the legit perimeter shooter that can get his shot off when he has a hand in his face and score at will.

Maybe we are purposely tanking the season so that we can have 2 top ten draft picks this year. Wishfully thinking I guess. Even if we did get two top ten draft picks we would just let them rot on the bench anyway.:stirthepot:

• Pistons need a motivation coach. Time to bring back the Mr. T avatar....Low???


Gimmie Sum...

http://www.wrecktangle.net/images/T_coach_big.jpg

lol...thank you sir.

We are heading back at breakneck speed...

http://www.wrecktangle.net/images/Teal_Era.jpg

Did anybody notice the offensive rebounding intensity when JMax, Amir, and Dupree were in there together? There were like Piranhas.

Yea, but when you have 5 guys attacking the offensive glass like that, it leads to an insane amount of fastbreak opportunities for the opponent as we saw last night. How many times last night did we see our guards caught on the wrong end of a 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 break?

A lot of yall , like Darth Low, know I have watched a LOTTTTT of Piston Games over the last 40 years, but to put this into a true Motown Man's perspective:

THIS IS THE 'FIRST' TIME IVE EVER STOPPED WATCHING A PISTON GAME IN THE 2ND QTR, AND 'NEVER' TURN BACK TO CHECK THE SCORE'ONCE'!!!! I DIDNT EVEN KNOW THE FINAL SCORE UNTIL NOW!

because I know this team doesnt have the heart to come back from a 10 pt deficit, much less a 20 point one. Lebron came back down 19 with 10 FREEKIN MINUTES LEFT!!last night...

Ben is gone and I want fresh meat to come to the Sith!! ROSCOE < u will BE THE FIRST>>>cause this AINT YO MAMA"S PISTONS!!!!!!

When I was watching that debacle last night I just knew everyone would be freaking out. Pistons seem to have that knack of blowing one right before an extended layoff.

I was not happy, how can you be? But it is a long season.

No Rip, Billups looked tired. Flip played like well Flip. Mohommed and Dyess were inefective. Hunter was the only guy who showed up.

max, Chauncey is exhausted, but he refuses to make excuses. :)

CB is tired????

It`s the 7th game of the FREAKING season!!!!!!!!!!!!!

max, Chauncey is exhausted, but he refuses to make excuses. :)

Its like a one of those sports commercials. Jordan, Bird, Magic, and every other champion logging in 40+ per night leading their team back into the Finals after winning 60+. Pan on Billups. He got tired. Just could not get it done.

Exhaustion is a sign of fatigue...Fatigue from what? it wasnt basketball. IM TIRED!!!OF all these lame ass excuses for GROWN men. Ive worked 7 days a week since August 25 and I get up for another 8 hr day. BEN played 48 minutes last night...TIred of hearing about tired. Told yall that Laker game was a fluke. Did CB play 48 minutes that game?..To quote the late, great Yosemite Sam ".Dirtyratskattinblassinrattinfrassin:skull: "

Exhaustion is a sign of fatigue...Fatigue from what? it wasnt basketball. IM TIRED!!!OF all these lame ass excuses for GROWN men. Ive worked 7 days a week since August 25 and I get up for another 8 hr day. BEN played 48 minutes last night...TIred of hearing about tired. Told yall that Laker game was a fluke. Did CB play 48 minutes that game?..To quote the late, great Yosemite Sam ".Dirtyratskattinblassinrattinfrassin:skull: "

He did not actually say he was tired. You never want to do that until after the fact. Adopt the Billups work ethic and just mail it in for a couple of days. It will show you boss what a complex individual you really are.

One thing I miss for a few years back was that 01/02 team attitude. They were not the most talented bunch but they always showed up. Remember how they used to laugh at other teams when they heard they were tired on a back-back.

The Pistons know the excuse meter is warn out... but I'll agree with Max that there is a lotta ball to be played before we can truly say we know what we've got here...
but they are getting beat to the spots on a regular basis... I'm not sure the same plodding starters should all be in there at the same time... we need an energy guy mixed in with this group...
I still like the idea of Tay being the main scoring threat off the bench playing 30+ minutes as the backup SG/SF.... someone like a healthy JRich would really energize the main lineup.
This lazy chucking 3's has to stop... some might say you have to take what the offense gives you if they pack the paint... but you can take matters into your own hands by causing T.O.'s and converting in transition... last night when we got steals... it was just a slow stroll down to go into a half court set.... if Chauncey doesn't attempt to go inside we may not get to the playoffs.
Now they'll prolly go out and have a gr8 game next time... it'd be nice to see some consistent hunger.

max, i can remember a BADBOYS game in Seattle back when u had a 6game road swing. We were 4-1 after just losing to portland and having to go to Utah. We trailed by 25 at the half and came back to win. Now THAT was the good ol days!

I'm not sure the same plodding starters should all be in there at the same time... - partially quoted.

I can't understand how the same group that digs these 1st quarter holes can come out in the 3rd quarter ( most games ) looking totally different. Slow starts have been a common theme for the past few years.

On a positive note. We have only had 1 loss so far where we could honestly say that the team played well and still lost, that was the Utah loss and we may have won that if not for the Okur call.

So at least there is the potential to be good this season. And honestly I just cannot see this team bumbling their way through the rest of the season playing like they have in the other 3 losses.

I don't know. Perhaps they will peak at the right time this season. Everyone said they peaked too early last year.

The Pistons know the excuse meter is warn out... but I'll agree with Max that there is a lotta ball to be played before we can truly say we know what we've got here...
but they are getting beat to the spots on a regular basis... I'm not sure the same plodding starters should all be in there at the same time... we need an energy guy mixed in with this group...
I still like the idea of Tay being the main scoring threat off the bench playing 30+ minutes as the backup SG/SF.... someone like a healthy JRich would really energize the main lineup.
This lazy chucking 3's has to stop... some might say you have to take what the offense gives you if they pack the paint... but you can take matters into your own hands by causing T.O.'s and converting in transition... last night when we got steals... it was just a slow stroll down to go into a half court set.... if Chauncey doesn't attempt to go inside we may not get to the playoffs.
Now they'll prolly go out and have a gr8 game next time... it'd be nice to see some consistent hunger.I had the Tay coming off the bench idea when we had a chance to get Melo................

- partially quoted.

On a positive note. We have only had 1 loss so far where we could honestly say that the team played well and still lost, that was the Utah loss and we may have won that if not for the Okur call.

I don't know. Perhaps they will peak at the right time this season. Everyone said they peaked too early last year.

I'd rather get beat trying hard than not show up for the game at all. I'm really not into a team that plays 1/2 a game no matter how talented they are.

To quote the late, great Yosemite Sam ".Dirtyratskattinblassinrattinfrassin:skull: "



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I don't see anything wrong with a team peaking later in the season. I would rather have a team that is peaking around 10-15 games before the playoffs than have home court advantage.

That is one reason I would not mind playing the bench more, either. Let the whole team get with it at the right time.

bad part is we've lost 3 games by double digit points. i didn't see much of the game (going to go watch it now to see how the young guys did), but this needs to happen. until the pistons suffer a few more atrocious losses, the 4 returning starters are not going to get it through their head that a playoff spot is NOT guaranteed this year.

the pistons are going to have to be knocked around a little bit until some sense is knocked into them.

There seems to be a very high correlation to Sheed having a terrible game and the Pistons losing by double digits. We can't win games without both Wallaces.

Should I just erase the DVR or were there any positivies or bright spots I need to look at? If not, then I guess I'm glad I missed it.:hanged2:

Should I just erase the DVR or were there any positivies or bright spots I need to look at? If not, then I guess I'm glad I missed it.:hanged2:

Don't start. It's like a train wreck. Just when you think it can't get any worse...

Go for clicking on the little X.

I'll put it like this, Dre..worse game since we went back to the colors!!Easily!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you watch it, be sure to have a bucket nearby.

Detroit has forgotten how to play defense. They are still playing as if Ben was there to pick up their mistakes. Naz is not a help defender. They despirately need a shot blocker to clog up the middle or they are going to have to learn a whole new way of defending.

It does not go unnoticed that the only good defensive game yet has been LA where they relied on Zone most of the time.

I know that backing off of the man to man would be an insult to their manhood, but until they get the right players ....they may have to.

wow some of you guys are pretty extreme with your reactions.

Pistonsforum.com!

Extreme reactions!

and stuff...

:)

Detroit has forgotten how to play defense. They are still playing as if Ben was there to pick up their mistakes. Naz is not a help defender. They despirately need a shot blocker to clog up the middle or they are going to have to learn a whole new way of defending.


We have.....if only Flip will play him more, FREE THE BRAHMA!!!!!