He's a Tiger now (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2656847)

Gary Sheffield Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sheffga01.shtml)

Gary Sheffield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Sheffield)

WOW. WOW!

Sheff. I likey!

Just like that the Tigs pick up another good guy. And free agency hasn't even started yet! (starts sunday)

I don't like this move at all. The guy is 38 and is injury prone. It didn't bother me what they gave up to get him, but I don't think he's a "locker-room guy."

I'll gladly eat crow later if needby. I AM glad to see the Tigers being proactive.

My first thought was what a stupid trade that was. It reminded me of Smoltz all over again. But the more I think about it, the more I like it. Sheff brings alot to the Tigers besides his bat. He is bringing better pitches to the guys that bat right before and after him. He makes it even more attractive for free agents to want to come here. As you know, it wasn't long ago when nobody wanted to come. Now we are perceived as an elite organization. This will only improve as we add another future Hall of Famer. Yeah, he is old and that is the primary reason I was against it in the first place. But we didn't lose anybody on our current team and we gave up PROSPECTS as somebody wisely pointed out on the tiger forum. We should be much better for the next two years at least. I do hate giving up pitching prospects though. No doubt NY learned their lesson on the value of pitching this year. They've determined to stock up on pitching prospects too and that is smart. I think both teams win. I lost my attitude I first had when I learned of the trade. I think we will be fine. Our scouts just need to go find a few more possible gems we may need in about 7 years or so. Things are definitely looking up for our Tigers. Sure didn't think I'd be saying that so soon. It was dismal just a few years ago.

I don't like this move at all. The guy is 38 and is injury prone. It didn't bother me what they gave up to get him, but I don't think he's a "locker-room guy."


I originally thought that way when they got Pudge and Rogers as well. I'm not a Tiger's fan, so I don't know anything about these prospects. But if Shef can stay healthy, he adds a big bat to the lineup and as previously mentioned, instantly makes the guys hitting around him that much better.

I originally thought that way when they got Pudge and Rogers as well. I'm not a Tiger's fan, so I don't know anything about these prospects. But if Shef can stay healthy, he adds a big bat to the lineup and as previously mentioned, instantly makes the guys hitting around him that much better.

I thought I'd come out on the anti-Shef side and see if I could start a debate. :) I'd love if they signed Shef to a deal whereby they wouldn't have to pay him if he was out due to "certain injuries." Mags has clauses in his contract regarding knee injuries.

another bonus is that we weren't guaranteed to get anyone in free agency. this does. plus he'll have a chip on his shoulder to show the yankees they made a mistake replacing him with abreu.

Since the Sheffield deal is done, now Dombrowski said the team will continue to search for a first-baseman...

We NEED left handed bats... I don't approve this message.

This means they're going for it in the next 2 years. It'll be nice going into a baseball season with some anticipation for the first time in a while.

We NEED left handed bats... I don't approve this message.I concur...we certainly don't need a 38 RH. And I am highly skeptical of his veteran value to the clubhouse. That said, I hope Leyland can wring the best out of the guy.

I concur...we certainly don't need a 38 RH. And I am highly skeptical of his veteran value to the clubhouse. That said, I hope Leyland can wring the best out of the guy.

Detteam, you and I agree on this. We must be right.

Detteam, you and I agree on this. We must be right.But WTF do I know...I was pissed when they signed Rogers :second:

This is an awesome trade.

I wouldn't trust the hardcore longtime Tigers' fans. They have been watching crap for too long to know when a golden turd lands in their laps.

Sheffield instantly provides protection for Mags and Guillen. It's not like this guy doesn't have a track record of playing well, he's got a super relationship with Leyland (do you think Jim would have signed off on this move if he thought it would be a problem), and quite frankly, it's always good to take a player off the Yankees, especially a future HOFer.

I don't know why a lot of people don't like this deal. It is great!!

1) Sheffield wanted to come here
2)Sheffield said he will accept any role here he just wanted to be treated like a man and Leyland and Dave are good people and his friends
3)Sheffield will be the DH with spot duty in Right field and Left field.
4)We gave up no talent from our current MLB roster
5)We add a solid bat that opponents will fear in the middle of our line up
6) We still can add another big name FA because the money used to sign Sheffield is basically money coming off the books for Dimitri and Percival.

After listening to the phone conference yesterday with Leyland, Dave and Sheffield I was more confident than ever that this was a good move. Sheffield was giddy to come here. He said even if the Tigers would not have made the playoffs he still would have come. It was not about the money it was about going somewhere where he would be treated with respect and know that there was good people working to build a winner.

I know a lot of people are crying over Hombarto Sanchez getting dealt but he is a prospect. He is not a proven talent. Also he developed arm problems last year which made him even more expendable. Sanchez probably would have gotten dealt for Sorriano if the Nationals would have come off of there step price of wanting Mayben and Sanchez.

It is good also that we gave up three prospects only, and noone from the team. Pitching, especially good young pitching, is already the Tiger's forte, so those prospects were easier to give up than anyone else.

I do wonder why they are "still looking for a first baseman". Casey is still far from used up and he is a strong left-handed bat. And the guy he replaced, right now I forget his name, is not that far away from being decent.

I do think they can use another left-handed bat, in addition to Sean. It seems like teams cannot have too many left-handed bats or left-handed pitchers, especially starters.

"I'd love if they signed Shef to a deal whereby they wouldn't have to pay him if he was out due to "certain injuries." "

Since there is not a salary cap, I don't see how it would even matter.

Lazy...I don't know why the Tigs have expressed a need for first baseman either, except as some kind of trump card after Casey filed for free agency. Casey has fit right in here...experience, LH, power...and after he instigated bringing the fans into the ALDS celebration...everyone in Detroit loves the guy! Then he went 9 for 17 in the Series after coming off a calf injury when no one else seemed able to handle the Cards pitching. The guy has proven he can get it done in the playoffs.

Casey is also excellent in the locker room by all accounts.

I think he will be the backup plan if they cannot find the guy they want.

I don't know why a lot of people don't like this deal. It is great!!
Always good to see both sides and you bring up some good points... and now for mine.

Jane you ignorant slut (lol)....
1) Sheff is coming off a wrist injury... we know his style is to waggle the bat non stop
2) Sheff is at the age where you lose bat speed
3) Sheff can't play any field position well
4) We're overloaded with right handed bats... does this mean we don't have a position for picking up a solid lefty?... Is Thames done?
5) That's a lotta team salary to tie up... does this mean our FA shopping spree is done?
6) We should have taken Mags shaky fielding and made him the DH
7) Taking bets on one of the 3 pitching prospects coming back to bite us (I like the Smoltz analogy)
8) I could be wrong about 1-7 :^)

I wouldn't trust the hardcore longtime Tigers' fans. They have been watching crap for too long to know when a golden turd lands in their laps.
Alright Roscoe... now you know you can't just sneak this one by without a response... Why trust hardcore fans that have followed this team (ie know about what's going on)... vs someone who just jumped onboard.
..now go to your room and don't come out till you buy Ernie Harwell's book :^)

Alright Roscoe... now you know you can't just sneak this one by without a response...
I was doing pretty good until you came along!

Great thread, great people, just having fun.

I am tired of the latent pessimism of the Tiger Elite however. Give the Iron Sheff a chance...

I was doing pretty good until you came along!

Great thread, great people, just having fun.

I am tired of the latent pessimism of the Tiger Elite however. Give the Iron Sheff a chance...Sorry...IMO the Iron Sheff don't cook anymore. However, if he brings something great to the plate next year I will be pleasantly surprised.:burgereater:

detteam, you are right. I completelyt forgot that I had heard that Casey is filing for free agency. It is so completely against his past personality that I forgot it. He has always been a team player and was dealt to Pittsburgh in a surprise move. Maybe that got him thinking more about his personal career.

I think Casey would be the first option at first and they might be looking for a backup for him.

Was it Sheldon that was playing first before Sean and was sent down for more seasoning? He seemed pretty close to being ready but I believe batted righty. Guillen played first pretty well, but was no Casey.

I hope it works out that Sean stays. He is welcome in the clubhouse everywhere he goes.

Here's what I think will happen...
We trade Mags for a 1st baseman or prospect.... if it's not for a 1st baseman then we re-sign Casey.
We sign Barry Bonds... not as crazy as it sounds given Leyland's relationship with B.B. and Bond souring on SF.
Andrew Miller becomes our primary lefty reliever being groomed as a future starter

"I'd love if they signed Shef to a deal whereby they wouldn't have to pay him if he was out due to "certain injuries." "

Since there is not a salary cap, I don't see how it would even matter.

Then why did they do it for Ordonez?

Casey is also excellent in the locker room by all accounts.

I think he will be the backup plan if they cannot find the guy they want.

Casey is the back up plan. The Tigers want a little more power out of the 1st base position. Casey is not a power hitter but is solid at the plate and does not strike out much. The Tigers also still have Shelton which I think may be the reason why Casey may not be resigned if they still have faith in Shelton to get the job done.

ggazoo,

I know why you wrote that now. I'm a little slow today. My point was, who cares how much he gets paid if there is not a salary cap. I think your thought was if he didn't get paid, he would be motivated to work. Your thought makes total sense to me now.

ok..NOW YALL CAN HEAR FROM A REAL BASEBALL MAN. (aND i HAVE A 42 OUNCE BAT,TOO...YA-HA-HA) Sheffield is a great deal and I have 2 words 4 ya..."Rasheed Wallace". Sheed was brought here to win the title and like sheed, shef aint here for the long hall and he aint even here to get us back to the world series, but HE can...He's here to establish this franchise as a 90-95 win club(like Rogers, Pudge , The Todd) until our young guys take over . Wait two years when Grandpa, Verlander, Maybin and Zumaya are lighting it up. I just want us to win again..you cant win em all, but I just dont want to lose em all.
SHEF IN 2007....AVG .315 HR 34 RBI 110

ok..NOW YALL CAN HEAR FROM A REAL BASEBALL MAN. (aND i HAVE A 42 OUNCE BAT,TOO...YA-HA-HA) Sheffield is a great deal and I have 2 words 4 ya..."Rasheed Wallace". Sheed was brought here to win the title and like sheed, shef aint here for the long hall and he aint even here to get us back to the world series, but HE can...He's here to establish this franchise as a 90-95 win club(like Rogers, Pudge , The Todd) until our young guys take over . Wait two years when Grandpa, Verlander, Maybin and Zumaya are lighting it up. I just want us to win again..you cant win em all, but I just dont want to lose em all.
SHEF IN 2007....AVG .315 HR 34 RBI 110

What good is a 42 ounce bat if you don't know how to use it?

We saw Sheffield in the playoffs this year. Not impressed with what I saw. He looked old and unproductive. If he was playing for us against the Cards in the Series, he wouldn't have been able to help us. At least, not if he swung the bat the same way he did against us in the ALDS.

At least we didn't give up any of our major league pitching staff to get him. And as others have pointed out, there is no salary cap to worry about.

My next question is would we want to give up Bonderman for Mark Teixeira to fill the lefthanded bat/1st base problem?

Leyland made a statement once that momentum is only as good as your next game stating pitcher. Makes me wonder how he'd feel about giving up one of his starters.

What good is a 42 ounce bat if you don't know how to use it?...a 42 ounce bat beats two buckeyes any day.......OHHHHHHH!ITS ON, NOW!

MEEEEE-EEEEEE-CHIGAN!!!!!!!!!!


:gun1: OSU....

We saw Sheffield in the playoffs this year. Not impressed with what I saw. He looked old and unproductive. If he was playing for us against the Cards in the Series, he wouldn't have been able to help us. At least, not if he swung the bat the same way he did against us in the ALDS.

At least we didn't give up any of our major league pitching staff to get him. And as others have pointed out, there is no salary cap to worry about.

My next question is would we want to give up Bonderman for Mark Teixeira to fill the lefthanded bat/1st base problem?

Leyland made a statement once that momentum is only as good as your next game stating pitcher. Makes me wonder how he'd feel about giving up one of his starters.lAST YEAR WAS LAST YEAR. iF YOU USE THE "LAST YEAR" THEORY, tHE tIGERS SHOULD HAVE GONE 71-91. You have to go on this year and right now. Just like RIGHT NOW, The Pistons suck...Right now....we'll worry bout Shef next year and then..

Yeah, he is old and that is the primary reason I was against it in the first place

Some examples of guys still banging at 38 +

Moies Alou

Moises Alou Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aloumo01.shtml)


Tony Gywnn

Tony Gwynn Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gwynnto01.shtml)

Paul Molitor

Paul Molitor Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/molitpa01.shtml)

Then there is Grandpa Franco

Julio Franco Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/f/francju01.shtml)

Then there is Barry Bonds who hit 45 HRs at ages 38 and 39!! Of course how much of that was do to oids we wil never know.

Barry Bonds Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bondsba01.shtml)

My next question is would we want to give up Bonderman for Mark Teixeira to fill the lefthanded bat/1st base problem?

Casey is a favorite of Leyland. He will be the first baseman next year.

He is still young enough that he could have some productive years ahead of him. However, his body hasn't been his greatest asset though. That is probably why they only signed him for 1 year.

The Tigers are waiting on Larish. He is probably 3 years away from starting at Comerica at the most. If can accelerate things this coming year at Erie he could be starting in Comerica in 2008.

Jeff Larish Baseball Statistics (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/L/Jeff-Larish.shtml)

I do not want Guillen at 1ST. [That means Nefi is on the field]
Since when does N.Y. develope pitching? They take what they want. Perhaps these prospects keep Yankee fingers out of our starting rotation.
Casey was signed. Maggs was fine in right, 10 times better than a guy whos name I can't remember. But he swung for the fences every at bat.
This team was brilliant last year. I see no need to change anything.
Except Nefi.

Its only spring training but I hear that the Sheriff's dinger today finally came down in Guantanamo Bay.

:hoops:

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I was watching the Yankess/Tigers game at lunch today and saw them bean Shef. They kept it below the head, but you had to know that was coming.

Good article on Sheffield right now on the front of espn.com about Sheffield and his denial of steroid use. Sorry, don't know how to provide a link.

Just copy and paste! YOU CAN DO IT!

Just copy and paste! YOU CAN DO IT!


Actually, I thought about that but the article said it was being published by permission. Since I didn't have it, I was leery of posting it here. I wouldn't want you to get sued and lose money on this website. :) Which reminds me. You can't get any of our posts on here to pop up in a search engine can you? It just crossed my mind a few times, wondering if any joe out there could do that. I gotta be careful what I post. :MusicBigGrin:

You can post the article link from ESPN and people will click and read there!!

Good call on not posting their content. It would be like someone borrowing your equations without permission. Vengeful mathematicians.

Yeah, most of the forums here are indexed in the search engines. The Green Room is not. I bet if you searched for buckeyes#1, PF.com would come up in the top 3 results! :)

Roscoe, you're right. They do pop up when you search yahoo. I didn't have the top three but it was the top two.

Sheffield deal could backfire. Hasn't been productive this spring. Hopefully, he'll get on track. Hate to give up prospects for a 38 year old, injury prone player. Our big outfield could cause his hitting average to fade.........

Links:

ESPN.com: Page 2 : A trip inside Gary Sheffield (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=alipour/070315&sportCat=mlb)
ESPN.com: Page 2 : Rage over 'Roids (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=sheffield/book/070315&sportCat=mlb)

I was watching the Yankess/Tigers game at lunch today and saw them bean Shef. They kept it below the head, but you had to know that was coming.

I think the next time up, the bat would accidentally slip out of my hands heading towards the pitcher's mound at about 70 miles per hour. Oops. My bad. Sorry. Slippery little guy. I'll have to hold on to it tighter next time.

or, I would ask my manager to let me finish out playing first base. Then I would ask my pitcher to protect me by hitting the pitcher when he comes up. Oh boy, things could get really exciting at this point. Then I would tell the pitcher, you better pray that there isn't a slow grounder to first base. Or, better yet, tell my pitcher to throw over to first base. I would probably accidentally bobble it to the point where it got behind me; and the pitcher on base was standing between me and my pitcher. :gun1:

Of course, I guess that can't happen in the American League because the pitchers don't bat.

The Oakland Press: Sports Columnists (http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/032507/spo_2007032547.shtml)

Sheffield's eye in select company
JIM HAWKINS
The Oakland Press

KISSIMMEE. Fla. ~ Look it up," urged Tigers' closer Todd Jones, who fancies himself a writer and a student of the game. "Has any player who has hit as many home runs as Gary Sheffield ever struck out so seldom?"

The answer, Mr. Jones, is yes - but just four: Four Hall of Famers named Stan Musial, Ted Williams, Lou Gehrig and Mel Ott.

Each have more HRs than Sheffield's 455 - and fewer strikeouts than Sheff's 971.

That's not shabby company.

None of baseball's other historic sluggers, not Hank Aaron, not Babe Ruth, not Barry Bonds, can match that same claim.

Caseys' been on fire this spring. Crushing the ball as they say.

YANKS' SANCHEZ HAS ELBOW SURGERY By GEORGE KING - Yankees - New York Post Online Edition (http://www.nypost.com/seven/04202007/sports/yankees/yanks_sanchez_has_elbow_surgery_yankees_george_kin g.htm)


The Yankees are going to have to wait at least a year for Humberto Sanchez to pay dividends.

Sanchez, a 23-year-old right-hander acquired from the Tigers in the Gary Sheffield deal, underwent Tommy John surgery on his right elbow Wednesday and is expected to be out at least 12 months.
Sanchez opened the season on the DL with a strained muscle in the right arm but a recent MRI exam revealed a torn ligament. "I knew there was a chance it needed to be fixed," GM Brian Cashman said of Sanchez's elbow at the time of the deal that also brought pitchers Kevin Whelan and Anthony Claggett. "But we looked at it long term and in 12 months we will have him back."


So, have we still given up too much to get Shef (if he eventually begins producing like he should)?

He hasn't produced like I would have hoped.

Still has PLENTY of time to come around.:sssh:

He hasn't produced like I would have hoped.

Still has PLENTY of time to come around.:sssh:
A lot of guys hadn't produced so far. But it is still early, although we are already a month into the season.