Anthony, Karl and Iverson

Iverson traded by 76ers to Nuggets - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-76ers-nuggets-iversontrade&prov=ap&type=lgns)

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But the Knicks have 4. Starbury, Nate , Jim Dolan, and Zeke. Stevie franchise is a little weird too.

But the Knicks have 4. Starbury, Nate , Jim Dolan, and Zeke. Stevie franchise is a little weird too.

I assume you weren't a Piston fan during the Bad Boy era or else you wouldn't be deriding Zeke.
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looks like the 76ers desperately wanted to get rid of AI- and the 3 headed monster in Denver consisting of AI, JR and Melo would be frightening. COULD be. I can't imagine 3 scorers like them getting along with each other very well. Maybe AI finally becomes a PG.

I assume you weren't a Piston fan during the Bad Boy era or else you wouldn't be deriding Zeke.
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I agree. A whole lot of the criticism of of Isiah is simply anti-Piston and anti-Detroit bias from the national press. If Zeke had played in one of the media centers like NY, Boston, LA, or Chicago, his public image would be very different.

Why isn't Joe Dumars image tarnished then?

Isiah made his own bed.

I'm not trying to bash him, but what has he done right in the past 5 years?

I adore Isiah but I question his judgement. Isn't he in hot water at MSG with a sexual harassment charge. And he admitted he tried to kiss the woman involved. I'm not sure, but I think he wanted a job here at one time, but we didn't hire him. He is a great player and I miss his beautiful smile, but I sure don't think he is perfect. I hope he gets to keep his job in NY. He did the best he could to satisfy LB , the drama queen, but LB didn't do much for Isiah. And I read somewhere that Starbury is his nextdoor neighbor! How sick is that?

Speaking of tarnished,... Scotty Pippen said on TNT last year that he still hates Lambeer, and would never shake his hand. How funny is that?? Pippen needs to let it go. Billy sure could get under the oppositions' skin. Maybe he should give our current team some lessons on how to aggravate the opposing players to the point where they absolutely lose it and can't play. And we also need some flopping lessons so we can get to the line more..

Why isn't Joe Dumars image tarnished then?

Isiah made his own bed.

I'm not trying to bash him, but what has he done right in the past 5 years?
Joe was always the quiet guy on the Pistons...letting his play do all of the talking. Isiah is a product of Bobby Knight...with every bit of Knight's fire...but I think Isiah has mellowed within his responsibilities and scrutiny with the Knicks. The Knicks ownership is as much to blame for the woes they are experiencing now after giving Isiah a fistful of blank checks.

Denver was my choice early on... everyone not named Melo will pine to see some leather... these two should take about 60% of the teams shots... there should however be plenty of garbage buckets from AI & Melo breaking down the D.
By moving Miller it looks like they're planning on using AI as a PG.
Not a bad deal for the Sixer... draft picks and some relief.... Miller will be a good facilitator.

Whatever chemistry problems the Nuggets have created for themselves, they will be capable of some tremendous scoring runs to close out games. Nobody will want to face that in the playoffs.

Why isn't Joe Dumars image tarnished then?

Isiah made his own bed.

I'm not trying to bash him, but what has he done right in the past 5 years?

It seems like you weren't around during the Bad Boy era either. Dumars was the the nice guy on the Pistons. He played the role. Its like when two cops bring in someone for questioning. One plays the bad guy and the other the good guy.

The national media has never liked Zeke, Bad Boy Bill, Mark Acquirre; i.e. Zeke's pal, or Rick Mahorn. A lot of it has to due with the period in which they came up to the NBA. At that time the NBA was still pretty much dominated by the old East Coast guard of Boston, NY and Philly, with the Lakers being the team from 3,000 miles away that showed up as fodder once a year during the NBA finals.

In those days the NBA was also a physically tough place with a lot of cheating going on. For example the Celtics would turn up the heat in the visitors locker room to like over 90 degrees and things like that.

Well Zeke and company were able to eventually beat these guys at there own game by being tougher and nastier then they were. And he always did it with that chesher (sic) cat smile that they hate. The East Coast media, especially the Boston media, aka that is why ESPN still hates everything Piston, hated the Bad Boys for dethroning their heroes at their own game.

Dumars played Mr. nice guy because that fit his personality but Zeke, Bad Boy Bill, Ricky, Mark etc gave the league hell and wound up winning two NBA titles and forever sealing the fate of the Pistons in the eyes of East Coast and national media. National Media is still predominately East Coast media. Even though L.A. has Hollywood the L.A. Times can not not compare to the NY Times when it comes to national credibility.

Anyway that is my take on the subject.

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Whatever chemistry problems the Nuggets have created for themselves, they will be capable of some tremendous scoring runs to close out games. Nobody will want to face that in the playoffs.

I bet they wouldn`t want to face the Spurs in the Playoffs either. I like Denver, but I don`t see them getting by the Spurs in the playoffs.

Imo this makes the Nuggets a scary team. Denver now has 3 valid scoring threats in A.I. Yellow Mello and Jr. Smith plus an inside presence in Camby. This team hits 57-61 wins hands down winning the Northwest division. Utah won’t be able to keep up Minny has zero chance and Seatle does not have it in them.
Throw in the fact that Iverson got Philly to the finals by himself and now he has real talent around him....a scary team. Denver stole Iverson and it could win them a title.

Imo this makes the Nuggets a scary team. Denver now has 3 valid scoring threats in A.I. Yellow Mello and Jr. Smith plus an inside presence in Camby. This team hits 57-61 wins hands down winning the Northwest division. Utah won’t be able to keep up Minny has zero chance and Seatle does not have it in them.
Throw in the fact that Iverson got Philly to the finals by himself and now he has real talent around him....a scary team. Denver stole Iverson and it could win them a title.

Cosigned. This is the ultimate "new NBA" team.

I admit, Denver looks very good on paper, however, the games must be played. Camby is about as fragile as one can be, and he is their only defnsive presence, Nene is just returning from serious knee surgery; to me it`s a bunch of if`s and buts.

Again, I am not hating on Denver, I am just saying let`s see what they look like come March. Not to mention if the entire team stays intact.

I think folks are overlooking that they will be without Melo for 15 games and Smith for 10. I'll be surprised if they go .500 until Melo gets back.

I think folks are overlooking that they will be without Melo for 15 games and Smith for 10. I'll be surprised if they go .500 until Melo gets back.

They beat the Wiz without them. That`s not saying much though......

One game emotional high. The scouting reports on Kleiza and Diawara need polishing up!

One game emotional high. The scouting reports on Kleiza and Diawara need polishing up!


Who...:stooges:

I admit, Denver looks very good on paper, however, the games must be played. Camby is about as fragile as one can be, and he is their only defnsive presence, Nene is just returning from serious knee surgery; to me it`s a bunch of if`s and buts.

Again, I am not hating on Denver, I am just saying let`s see what they look like come March. Not to mention if the entire team stays intact.

Depends on what makes a successful NBA team. If all the rumors are true, and you need a fast, high scoring team that can hit jumpshots, and defense isn't that important, than Denver will absolutely be one of the best.

If, on the other hand, you need the team to play a little D, then I think Denver may surprise. Iverson can't dish out the assists like Nash, but his defense is far superior. This should be a fun team to watch once Hit and Run comes back.

Depends on what makes a successful NBA team. If all the rumors are true, and you need a fast, high scoring team that can hit jumpshots, and defense isn't that important, than Denver will absolutely be one of the best.

If, on the other hand, you need the team to play a little D, then I think Denver may surprise. Iverson can't dish out the assists like Nash, but his defense is far superior. This should be a fun team to watch once Hit and Run comes back.


I still say they will be no better than the 4th best team in the west, behind the Spurs, Mav`s, and Suns.

They will be fun to watch in the wide open "New NBA"

However, the deeper they go in the playoffs, the "Old NBA" might appear, with stifling D from time to time, giving AI and Melo fits.

It will be fun to find out.......

After this trade with both CA and AI on the same team I think it becomes obvious why the NBA wound up using 2 different balls this year. Karl hasn't quite decided if AI gets to use the leather ball and CA the microfiber composite or the other way away. So he called Brown and Brown said it doesn't matter which ball they use as long as they play the right way. So Karl asked one of his assistant coaches; i.e. Adrian Dantley to call Zeke to get the answer. So Zeke said to Dantley. "Tell coach Karl I don't believe he has two balls"

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Depends on what makes a successful NBA team. If all the rumors are true, and you need a fast, high scoring team that can hit jumpshots, and defense isn't that important, than Denver will absolutely be one of the best..

One of the things many ignore is the Denver sixth man...the 5000 ft. altitude. It acts as a defensive presence, especially hard on those teams that have weak benches. JR, IA and Melo will run them ragged the first three quarters and then pick everything apart in the fourth.

If, on the other hand, you need the team to play a little D, then I think Denver may surprise. Iverson can't dish out the assists like Nash, but his defense is far superior. This should be a fun team to watch once Hit and Run comes back.

This will be a very tough team come playoff time and I will never understand why Philly did not insist on getting JR. Denver won this trade hands-down.

This should be a fun team to watch once Hit and Run comes back.

Hit & Run.....:pound: that's a good one....

However, the deeper they go in the playoffs, the "Old NBA" might appear, with stifling D from time to time, giving AI and Melo fits.

If you're giving both of those guys fits at the same time then you're probably leaving the three other guys wide open, and if one of them is Boykins, you've got a problem.