I saw all three of these plays described below:
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Obie-Wan gets a one game suspension for accidently hitting Manu Ginobili with an elbow/forearm after releasing the ball on a shot.

But two Desert Smurf guys get zero, not even a flagrant in last Sunday's game against the Cadaviers.

What were their crimes that went unpunished?

1. An elbow to the face that drew blood
2. A kick in the face that drew blood.

Neither of these guys were even called for a foul, not a regular foul, not a flagrant one or flagrant two, which is what you get when you draw blood. Of course neither one got suspended because The Stern Gang was hoping that the Smurfs could continue their winning streak.

Sometimes I think that the guys that run the NBA should be in charge of the circus instead.

Boy am I steaming.

ESPN.com - NBA - Bryant 'blown away' by one-game suspension (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2748084)

:obiwan::mad:

I saw thay play in which manu was knocked down. I don't doubt that it didn't hurt him, but based on his history, he did appear to be milking the situation.

I don't think Kobe's actions were intentional, but you never know. When Manu went down, Kobe looked down at him for just a half second and just walked back to the bench showing no remorse or concern if the Manu's eye was knocked out or not.

That may have been a cause for the suspension as the NBA sensitivity police were reviewing the tape and decided sit him and collect some of his payroll. Or maybe thay wanted the knicks to win one tonight:)

Either way, the NBA chiefs are still treating the players like they are kids and are clueless of what is really going on.

Looked pretty intentional to me. he releases the ball and as he's coming down his arm lashes out to the side. GIving him the benefit of the doubt maybe he was trying to clear space. Suspension? nah. technical? yeah.
If manu was lying on the floor like that I'd step on him like christian laettner.

YouTube - kobe gets blocked by ginobli (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a7TGrVIu3o)

Video for those that missed it.

Thanks for the video, Roscoe.

Ok, don't even get me started here... Anything coming out of Kobe's mouth (whether pleas of innocence or claims that ARENAS shoots too much) is B.S., IMHO.

OK, the foul...

Intentional? HELL YES.

Ginoboli acting? Somewhat. We know his history.

Suspension worthy? NO. Not by NBA standards. That stuff happens a lot.

YouTube - kobe gets blocked by ginobli (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a7TGrVIu3o)

Video for those that missed it.
Now that I've watched the video several times Zapruder-style, I have no doubt it was intentional. Kobe wants people to think whipping his arm out like that is part of his normal follow through. Yeah, right. There's no way Mr. 81 points is that clumsy.

SA Exp News says Pop and Manu felt the blow was unintentional. :sssh:

Ridiculous.

That was a borderline loose ball foul on Bryant - and one that went uncalled.

Ridiculous.

That was a borderline loose ball foul on Bryant - and one that went uncalled.


Stern is ruining the game with his antics. Kobe was simply trying to draw a foul after his shot got block by initiating some contact. It is not his fault if Manu is to stupid to get his face out of the way. Maybe it was worthy of a loose ball foul or even a small fine 5K but not a one game suspension. Stern has turned the NMB into the WNBA( WUSS National Basketball Association.)

What if that had been Rip or CB?

Rip would have been thrown out of the game. Chauncey would have gotten free throws.

Jackson made the right call. It was intentional and the only way to get things through most of the players is to hit them over the head with a 2x4.

If you continue to mouth-off you will get hit with a T...this is verbal abuse. Physical abuse is intentional and could easily shorten the season/career of a player and put most teams out on the short lease making the playoffs...especially in the west.

Kobe was disingenuous and a liar. This hurt his reputation, or what's left of it. I might also add that I consider him the most complete player in the NBA, so I am not getting carried away with this.

A wrong is a wrong is a wrong.

The local radio here had a fit over this suspension today saying that "their boy" Kobe was innocent. It's the same station that broadcast the Laker games and Mychal Thompson the Laker "color" analyst who was in NYC with the team basically said that Kobe was on pins and needles at the hotel waiting for Stu Jackson to consider his appeal.

That $235,000 is alot mulah that Kobe's little girls will miss out on.

Since its Manu, I don't trust anything being called an offensive foul (nevermind a suspension) when it comes to him. His reputation proceeds him as one of the best (or worst depending on how you see it) floppers in NBA history.

I don't like, and the fact that Kobe's on my damn fantasy team during my comeback into the top 6 for playoffs blows more. I expect him to lash out next game big time on the court.

verbal abuse. Physical abuse
What is this? Golf?

It looked like Kobe wanted to move Ginno out of the way. And over reacted. Kobe should've admitted his wrong. Hey it happens when you're a proud guy him and Shaq.
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Rip would've flopped and pretented it hurt even though he has a mask on.

Since its Manu, I don't trust anything being called an offensive foul (nevermind a suspension) when it comes to him. His reputation proceeds him as one of the best (or worst depending on how you see it) floppers in NBA history.

I don't like, and the fact that Kobe's on my damn fantasy team during my comeback into the top 6 for playoffs blows more. I expect him to lash out next game big time on the court.

Yeah Manu not only flops but knees and kicks too:yuck:
YouTube - Amare kneed in the giggleberries (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO-dItlJuSg)

You guys missed my point. Sorry, I must not have been very clear. I don't believe I said Obie-Wan should not have gotten suspended. Maybe he should have, or maybe he shouldn't have. But if you look at what he did to Manu vs what the two Phoenix Smurfs did to the two Cadaviers on a nationally televised game their action was clearly worse.

So my point was that the treatment handed out by Jackson to Obie-Wan was inconsistant and prejudicial compared to the non-treatment handed out to the two Desert Smurfs. That is what got me upset.

:hoops:

i really have trouble following who you are talking about. i need a cheat sheet. :pound:

He did it again. He nailed Jaric last night in what was called a "carbon copy" of the Manu play, and may receive a suspension.

Poor Kobe must just be "accident prone", I guess.:rolleyes:

You can see the play in the ESPN highlight video here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2790534). It does look almost exactly like what happened with Manu. I'm really not sure why Kobe is so determined to channel the ghost of Bill Cartwright.

So, we are supposed to target Wade's dislocated shoulder with hard hits, but Kobe is a villain when players foul his elbow with their heads?

So, we are supposed to target Wade's dislocated shoulder with hard hits, but Kobe is a villain when players foul his elbow with their heads?

I see a difference between a hard hit and an elbow to the face. I guess it's a matter of personal preference where you draw the line.

players foul his elbow with their heads?
I like how you phrased that.

Speaking of elbows to the head...

YouTube - Tyler Hansbrough suffers cheap shot from Gerald Henderson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAR2tWAj49o)

The colour commentator is a moron. How can he say that was a clean block attempt? "He was going for the ball", "Nothing dirty about that", "I don't like the call at all", "I think this is a poor piece of officiating. I didn't see any intent whatsoever", etc.

Your thoughts?

Speaking of elbows to the head...

YouTube - Tyler Hansbrough suffers cheap shot from Gerald Henderson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAR2tWAj49o)

The colour commentator is a moron. How can he say that was a clean block attempt? "He was going for the ball", "Nothing dirty about that", "I don't like the call at all", "I think this is a poor piece of officiating. I didn't see any intent whatsoever", etc.

Your thoughts?

Billy Packer's ranking on the Biggest Idiot of All Time List just went up

Looking closely at the arm position, it seems that Henderson coiled his fist/arm inward toward his body. There was no extension of the arm. It was a forearm shiver to what ever got in the way of the swing.

It was deliberate, close range and meant to stop using blunt force.

I look for a suspension.

Coach K should get 5 games min.
Henderson hell 5 also.
It looked to me, he caught him with the wrist knuckle. That's not BBall.

You can see the play in the ESPN highlight video here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2790534). It does look almost exactly like what happened with Manu. I'm really not sure why Kobe is so determined to channel the ghost of Bill Cartwright.

Hope this does not turn into a racial or nationality stuff but why Kobe only targets non American players?

I don't think a sample size of two is enough to draw any conclusion about which type of player he likes to flail his elbow around. And let's not forget (though it was a different sort of play) the elbow he threw at Mike Bibby in the final seconds of Game 6 in the 2002 Western Conference finals, which of course was whistled on Bibby for fouling Kobe's elbow with his face.

Hope this does not turn into a racial or nationality stuff but why Kobe only targets non American players?

Also, he seems to mainly be targeting men... whereas Artest does not discriminate.

Also, he seems to mainly be targeting men... whereas Artest does not discriminate.

Uh, can you say Colorado?

Oh, sorry, you said "mainly".

O.k.

That Colorado thing was a different type of violation. I don't think Kobe is arguing that Marko "wanted" it.

I think that the next time Artest comes to the Palace, the first 5,000 fans should get frying pans.

Uh, can you say Colorado?

Oh, sorry, you said "mainly".

O.k.

Ouch! :pound:

Ouch! :pound:BTW, since when are you the last remaining Sith lord, My brother??? We may be wearing suits or overalls, but we still exist....(see my thread):jedi2: :jedi2: + 2 flips =:darthvader:

BTW, since when are you the last remaining Sith lord, My brother??? We may be wearing suits or overalls, but we still exist....(see my thread):jedi2: :jedi2: + 2 flips =:darthvader:

Be that as it may, I'm the only one still sporting black and a breathing apparatus.

I am the first...the last...and the only.

When people on the forum hear "Darth" they first think of "Taters"...not "haters".

Sorry, but you'll need your own schtick...my bruddah! :ner-ner:

The league is looking into a THIRD Kobe elbow. This time, to the neck of Kyle Korver.

ESPN.com - NBA - Report: NBA looking into another Bryant elbow (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2795315)

Kobe gets a retroactive Flagrant 1 Foul for his hit on Korver.

ESPN.com - NBA - NBA retroactively tags Bryant with flagrant foul (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2795315)

Jackson: Bryant is being targeted (http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers14mar14,1,7910627.story?coll=la-headlines-sports)

"It shouldn't even have been a flagrant I," Jackson said Tuesday. "That's crazy. That's a vendetta. They have a witch hunt going on. It's nuts. Guys riding somebody. Everybody does that in this league. It's just becoming a witch hunt now.""It is an after-the-fact type of thing," Jackson said, "and that is bothersome. They have the advantage of looking at videotape.

"We wish they would correct some of the mistakes they make in a ballgame the same way. There's a couple of games that probably could be swung, won or lost, by some of the calls they [could] correct after the fact. But you can't do that in the game."