Boston February 6th, 7:30PM
TV - FSN Detroit (Local) NBALP


The woeful Celtics come to town in the midst of a 14 game losing streak. The Pistons are 8-2 in their last ten games. The only two losses coming to the Wiz. This is the first game of 5 out of 6 at the Palace. We need the wins this month because March will be a very tough month.

A loss to this team now would be painful.

The Celtics have been as team to cure all teams woes this past month as they have not won since Jan 5th.

Pierce is almost ready to come back, but will probably miss the Pistons game. With that being said, we cannot have Sheed and billups come in as if the game was already won and play lackadaiscal. . Blow them out early and let the Max and Delfino get a little more burn. No let downs!

The Celtics have a 14 game losing streak. Worse team in the league right now, but Pistons are known for losing to bad teams this year because of thinking they are too good. This leads to them playing really bad. I hope they win by at least 20. A loss against this team would be plain embarassing and not good.

Pistons will win this game easily by 14 points - 101-87. Rip top scores with 24 and sheeds has a double double.

Boston February 6th, 7:30PM
TV - FSN Detroit (Local) NBALP


The woeful Celtics come to town in the midst of a 14 game losing streak. The Pistons are 8-2 in their last ten games. The only two losses coming to the Wiz. This is the first game of 5 out of 6 at the Palace. We need the wins this month because March will be a very tough month.

A loss to this team now would be painful.


Make that 7-3 in the last 10 games. Two losses vs the Wiz and the loss to Utah.

Awful team... doesn't share the ball... missing their best player and hoping for the #1 pick.... that's why I'm predicting only a 2 point win :^)

Thanks Mercury. Even if I wanted to watch the game, now I don't want to watch it. :)


It seems Paul Pierce isn't too keen on another draft pick coming to Boston next year. He wants to see the pick dealt. Makes a decent case for it as well.

Let’s make a deal: Pierce says trade pick - Boston Celtics - BostonHerald.com (http://celtics.bostonherald.com/celtics/view.bg?articleid=181104)

96-72 Pistons

Games like this I want to see three things...

No injuries
Rest the starters
Get the win (even if by only a point)

Games like this I want to see three things...
No injuries
Rest the starters
Get the win (even if by only a point)

4. Showcase guys. With Flip and Nazr not working, Joe D. would like to trade them for a valuable player.

Chat is open!!!

http://www.pistonsforum.com/misc.php?do=flashchat

I'm back in town from vacation. Not exactly the most exciting game on the schedule, admittedly, but I hope at least someone drops by the chat to keep me company!

well, this is really disappointing...you have almost a 30 pt lead and you win by 7.....poor player performances.....lax D...and unresponsive coaching....surrendering 63 2nd half points.....pitiful.

They should have their arses chewed for winning this way

Scheduled microcap cancelled. I was unable to watch more than 5 minutes of this game.

Pistons shot 58% from the floor tonight: Chauncey and CWebb were both 8-12, and Dice was an incredible 9-10. The Pistons blew it open in the 2nd quarter and extended their lead in the 3rd. They were up by 24 early in the 4th, but the bench mailed it in and somehow gave up a 13-0 run, at which point some of the starters came back in. The Celtics ended up shooting 56% themselves, outscoring the Pistons 35-20 in the 4th. Delfino had a nice first half but struggled in the 4th quarter, and JMax had a crappy game, 0-4 from the floor. Rip played 42 minutes, and CB 36, but CWebb at 33 was the only other Piston who played more than 30.

well, this is really disappointing...you have almost a 30 pt lead and you win by 7.....poor player performances.....lax D...and unresponsive coaching....surrendering 63 2nd half points.....pitiful.

They should have their arses chewed for winning this way

The Pistons didnt care in the fourth and who cares about winning by 30 or by 7. Its the win that counts and the bench is a major reason for the loss of the lead. If Pistons had actually cared they could have won by at least 20. They played great all game and stopped in the fourth, but thats ok with such a huge lead.

Pistons shot 58% from the floor tonight: Chauncey and CWebb were both 8-12, and Dice was an incredible 9-10. The Pistons blew it open in the 2nd quarter and extended their lead in the 3rd. They were up by 24 early in the 4th, but the bench mailed it in and somehow gave up a 13-0 run, at which point some of the starters came back in. The Celtics ended up shooting 56% themselves, outscoring the Pistons 35-20 in the 4th. Delfino had a nice first half but struggled in the 4th quarter, and JMax had a crappy game, 0-4 from the floor. Rip played 42 minutes, and CB 36, but CWebb at 33 was the only other Piston who played more than 30.This was a lame win against a crappy team. We had to shoot 58% to beat them by 7 without Pierce. Everyone feels good after a win...not me tonight. There's no excuse for Rip playing 42. There is little defensive intensity anymore. We won the shootout tonight...but they aren't always going to fall like that...especially not against playoff contenders.

Hopefully Joe will make a move before the deadline to clear some dead weight...but I don't see it getting us to the finals. This team has a 'fundamentals' problem that no roster change can solve.

I have seen Webber hit the jumper over and over against the Lakers. No surprise. Expected it. But I never knew he had that good of an around the basket game. We are just on a higher level with him in the offense.

Dice is showing his game now. What is important is when the easy baskets are taken away in the playoffs, Dice's shots will still be there.

No comment on that second team. I have seen that show too often. It just doesn't hold together as a unit.

You can't give up 35 points in any quarter let alone the 4th. The second string totally relaxed (read:sucked) even with L- Defense-Hunter in there.

Like I said in the Chat this should be a wake up call Joe to see that our bench is still suspect other than Dice and we need another body that can play on both ends of the court.

We shoot 57.9% from the floor only to see the Celtics shoot 56% and lose by 7. Anyone not seeing the game would think that we won in a shoot out and would be shocked to find out that the Pistons led by 22 at the end of the third and had to bring 4 starters back in with 5 mins left in the game to eek out a victory. The Celtics rolled off 13 straight before Flip came back from the rest room and called a time out. :confused: Yeah the players relaxed but it was Flips duty to stop that run and restore order. Well he did, but he risked the starters getting injured by substituting with the wrong group of players in there to open the 4th.

Some good things tonight: Rip didn't force that many shots and dished out 11 assists and Pistons had a total of 32. Would have had more team assists and a higher shooting percentage if Delfino and Jmax hadn't missed at least 4 easy layups in wild 4th qtr. CB and Cwebb both shot 75%, Dice 90%. The other starters all shot at least 50%

The bad we gave up 62 points in the second half and they had 29 assists., and despite Dice's 18 pts, the bench out gunned :gun1:ours by the tune of 46 to 33 :mad:

I don't understand why Dale did not play. If you want to slow the game down and control the boards, why not play him?

We came out with no purpose to start the game. Well, maybe the first play we had a purpose. Sheed posted up Scalabrini and scored easily. But then the next five minutes we forget the word post. Nothing but outside shots, quick shots in transition, and more outside shots. We managed to stay even at least.

Then, hey, some coaching kicked in. The ball started going into Webber, and Sheed sometimes, and we beat Boston handily. Webber has that outside shot going great, especially off glass. He scored 17 while only missing 4 shots, got 6 assists, five of those out of his post play. Post play, both scoring directly from the guy posting up, and outside shots 100% open from the post player getting a double team, and from cuts to the basket for easy scores off the post play, was the dominant theme for the Pistons tonight. Webber was simply brilliant. Sheed was not the star tonight, but he helped set the tone by fighting for post position along with Webber. Sheed sure appreciates the help.

Tay missed some of those outside shots I mentioned earlier, but he also hit some. He got another of those assists for a dunk from Rip that is becoming a regular feature in Pistons games.

Billups just facilitated for the most part, but he knocked down a key shot here and there.

Rip racked up 11 assists, something about Webber passing the ball is just contagious. Rip also scored about 12 points or so, mostly layups, maybe two outside shots made.
Dyess only missed one of his 10 shots. Pretty impressive, mostly his long range stuff, but some was out of the post-still fadeback shots, but from the post. His only miss was a blocked shot. In retrospect, the commish fundamentally changed the nature of the game with that new ball he tried to intoduce. Thank goodness common sense prevailed and they brought the old ball back quickly.

Delfino played his usual fine D, knocked down a couple of triples, scored on fast break. He helped with the ball handling chores with some success in the first half, but little success in the 2nd half. Still good to see him out there for both halves though.

Maxiell did not do well on offense, and teamed with Dyess both halves could not do a bit of good on the boards. Or a bit of good on interior D for the most part. He had some blocks and bothered shots, and thats about it. Missed all his shots. But still, it was great to see him play in both halves. He won't improve without getting to play. But should Flip go back to that unit, Hunter, Rip, Delfino, JMAX, Dyess ever again? Probably not. Here is what we could have done: Delfino at point, Tay at shooting guard, JMAX at small forward, Dyess at power forward, and Dale Davis at center to clear the glass. Just like Corliss, JMAX belongs at small forward due to lack of height.

Good win. A slight adjustment to eliminate Hunter from the rotation and moving Maxiell to small forward and it would have been over a lot quicker. Hunter did hit a triple, but supposedly he is a point guard. He did nothing as a point guard. Worse, despite all Hunter's minutes at guard tonight, Billups and Rip still end up with long minutes. This should have been close to an off nite for those two. Overall though, I thought things went pretty well in the coaching department. Both Maxiell and Delfino were kept in the entire 2nd quarter, and both played in the 4th quarter. Definitely a step in the right direction.

Rip is going to sacrificing some point stats, because we are going away from the constant plays to get Rip free, and now concentrating on getting whoever gets open with a nice easy shot off post play. Its Rip sometimes, sometimes Sheed. What a pass from Webber to Sheed for the dunk off Webber's drive in from the left post. Webber drew all the defenders with that completely under control drive and setup Sheed for the two easiest points of the night-not that there was not a lot of competition. Lots of easy shots. And now Rip expects those passes and is actually ready to lay the ball in. Must have been doing some practice.

The team has a lot of weopons out there on offense. Rip still as steady as ever on the midranger. Tay steadying out his shot. CB always dangerous. Sheed pretty deadly from the post. And CWEBB, great inside shots and range out to 18 feet or so. Then Dyess comes off the bench and can't miss. Delfino hits two straight triples-hope that keeps up. Just got that rotation fixed up a bit and this team is going to rock. GO PISTONS!!!!!

It was the bench guys who let in most of the damage, not the starters. Nothing to freak out over.

Stupid plays - allyoop dunk attempts and such. Maxiel and Hunter played real bad. Blame it all on Hunter. Actually has some truth to it. For the past couple of games the offense has died with Hunter running the point, he wastes so much time trying to set up a play only to dish it off to the guy next to him to find someone open. Problem is there usuallly less that 10 secs left at that point.

Looking at the time when the main guys were in there - they played pretty good. Great games from McDyess and Webber.

44 Piston points in the paint I believe.

seriously guys our bench sucks period. first we complain that the starters play too many minutes and then in the beginning of the fourth when we are up by 24, flip plays the bench and you guys are complaining. I wasnt surprised that they gave up a 13-0 run, but a win is still a win regardless. Flip could have played the starters for entire 4th quarter and we would have won by like 25, but he actually rested them because of the huge lead. Just take the win and stop complaining. We have won 4 straight now and the team is playing great basketball. Whats wrong with chilling out in the fourth if ur up by 24? Winning by 24 and overplaying the starters would have made you guys upset over the minutes. Now you guys find a way to complain on the win margin. Just take it and now time to meet Kobe and the Lakers for our 5th straight win.

It seems like Flip has a new toy. He's gone from running Chauncey into the ground to Rip. 42 min.

We need another back-up guard badly preferable someone who could play the 1 & the 2

seriously guys our bench sucks period. first we complain that the starters play too many minutes and then in the beginning of the fourth when we are up by 24, flip plays the bench and you guys are complaining. I wasnt surprised that they gave up a 13-0 run, but a win is still a win regardless. Flip could have played the starters for entire 4th quarter and we would have won by like 25, but he actually rested them because of the huge lead. Just take the win and stop complaining. We have won 4 straight now and the team is playing great basketball. Whats wrong with chilling out in the fourth if ur up by 24? Winning by 24 and overplaying the starters would have made you guys upset over the minutes. Now you guys find a way to complain on the win margin. Just take it and now time to meet Kobe and the Lakers for our 5th straight win.

Good points.

We do need a backup guard though. The rest of the bench is fine except for that. In this game, the bench mainly played like the starters do when they are up by a ton so they have had a bad example to follow on many occasions.

Have to pull a deal for a backup guard and we will be fine. Hunter, Murry and Blaylock are not cutting it - have to pull that deal.

Good points.

We do need a backup guard though. The rest of the bench is fine except for that. In this game, the bench mainly played like the starters do when they are up by a ton so they have had a bad example to follow on many occasions.

Have to pull a deal for a backup guard and we will be fine. Hunter, Murry and Blaylock are not cutting it - have to pull that deal.

Pistons extreme= best two starting guards to the worst three back-up guards:nerd2:

Pistons extreme= best two starting guards to the worst three back-up guards:nerd2:

Thing that I don't get. As much as Flip thought Ben bogged down his offense he seems to have no problem with Hunter.

Oh well, a win is a win.

Hunter didn't want a max deal. And Hunter is Joe's buddy.

Lee,

Yes, when the ball goes to Webber, good things usually happen. We are not as likely to go into the drought with him in the flow and yes, the players are feeding off of his play. Better than the old playbook.

Yes, the Piston announcer got it right. Tay is open as he drives. With Chris, it is a lot harder to jam up our offense. Before, you could get up on Rip and Chauncey and hope that Sheed did not go down low and that was it. That one extra guy really matters expecially with someone of Chris's skills. And yes, the ball did wind up back now and again in the hands of our best long-ball shooter, Mr. Chauncey Billips.

On the second unit, no comment--I don't have a remedy.

I would still go for a lock-down perimeter guy and suffer with that unit's basic lack of offense. If we shore up the defense for the big run, we should now have enough offense overall.

DD DNP
WB DNP
AJ DNP
NAZ DNP
FLIP JR DNP
SUPER DUPE DNP


What I think this boils down to is Flip's inability to come up with a rotation and stick with it. Why was Rip in with Jmax Delfino Hunter and Dyess when he could have been resting like the other starters? Why do we not take the timeouts when our 20 something lead starts to shrink and guys are playing like there is 20 seconds left instead of 6 minutes? Why don't we play DD and Nazr and Flip Jr when the other bench guys lose the lead instead of going right back to the starters who were already getting iced down? PISS POOR COACHING!

Flip needs to get it together. He needs to learn how to sub in and out regardless of the score or whatever match up he thinks he is taking advantage of. He needs to come to grips with the fact he is going to run our guys into the ground again why so he can prove a point to DD to not miss a shoot around (not even a practice but a shoot around)
I am hoping he leaves on his own after this year and takes that job at his alma freakin mater

Hunter didn't want a max deal. And Hunter is Joe's buddy.

Joes's buddy Hunter should be sitting up there next to him and Jon Hammond in the comfy seats every game and not taking up space down on the bench :behindsof or floor!!

If you want perfection in a game then break out the Hoops Playstation game because in a real game no one is perfect. I thought the Pistons played with lots of defensive intensity and all the offense looked really great with all the passing and high assists. This game was over by the half and the score looked close but the Celtics had quite a few threes and buckets with a foul. The Celtics did go on a run but it wasn't panic time or anything so I'm really happy the Pistons have their longest winning streak of the season. First time in a long time Delfino got in double digits in scoring and if he could have finished a few of his close in shots he would have been smoking. I did notice that no Celtic player made a basket when Delfino was defending him so give him his due for playing really good D. Chris Webber is so impressive with his on court savvy, he's like a fine wine, just gets better with age. Do you think he wakes up every morning pretty happy he signed with the Pistons?

i don't see what you guys are complaining about. we dominated boston, and they had 0 chance of winning. people were laughing at them at the palace, like when scalabrine hit a few shots.

simply put, it was no contest. flip tried a new lineup in the 4th and it didn't work because rip and dice were deferring to maxiell, delfino, and hunter. delfino and hunter threw some terrible lob attempts to maxiell, and maxiell had one of his worst games ever, missing easy shots and being unable to box out.

but there's nothing to get upset over from this game. let's be encouraged by how well we played when the game actually mattered in the 1st 3 quarters. 4th quarter was cruise control.

DD DNP
WB DNP
AJ DNP
NAZ DNP
FLIP JR DNP
SUPER DUPE DNP


What I think this boils down to is Flip's inability to come up with a rotation and stick with it. Why was Rip in with Jmax Delfino Hunter and Dyess when he could have been resting like the other starters? Why do we not take the timeouts when our 20 something lead starts to shrink and guys are playing like there is 20 seconds left instead of 6 minutes? Why don't we play DD and Nazr and Flip Jr when the other bench guys lose the lead instead of going right back to the starters who were already getting iced down? PISS POOR COACHING!

Flip needs to get it together. He needs to learn how to sub in and out regardless of the score or whatever match up he thinks he is taking advantage of. He needs to come to grips with the fact he is going to run our guys into the ground again why so he can prove a point to DD to not miss a shoot around (not even a practice but a shoot around)
I am hoping he leaves on his own after this year and takes that job at his alma freakin mater

I will agree with some of this. However, just one little substition, rather than sitting all these bench guys, was all that was needed. Remember, Delfino and Maxiell still need the work. Dyess was our hottest shooter tonight. Yeah, I would prefer Rip on the bench, but if we could have held the lead for just 3 minutes, he could have sat the rest out.

Considering we stopped them not at all to begin the 4th quarter, why not just bring in Dale Davis, and moving everyone else down one step. Dyess goes from our center to power forward, a position much more natural for him. JMAX goes to small forward, where he can dominate. Delfino goes to shooting guard on defense, point on offense. Rip goes to point defense. As Rip is about our best point defender, how can that not work? Defensively, this is a far far stronger unit than what we ran. Offensively, you trade Dale Davis for Hunter. A wash, no. Dale Davis will take a player or two to keep off the offensive boards, freeing things up more than Hunter does. (Ok, so Hunter frees up nobody and bogs down the offense by not knowing what to do with the ball-trying to be a little kind though.)

Yes, when the ball goes to Webber, good things usually happen. We are not as likely to go into the drought with him in the flow and yes, the players are feeding off of his play. Better than the old playbook.
This is just a hunch I have, but what we are seeing with Webber is not in the playbook. It's just 5 great players ballin'. Much like a lot of last year, when the Pistons thrived, they were asserting their talent. In the playoffs when things locked down and everyone turned to the playbook for inspiration, it was found lacking.

Yes, the Piston announcer got it right. Tay is open as he drives. With Chris, it is a lot harder to jam up our offense. Before, you could get up on Rip and Chauncey and hope that Sheed did not go down low and that was it. That one extra guy really matters expecially with someone of Chris's skills. And yes, the ball did wind up back now and again in the hands of our best long-ball shooter, Mr. Chauncey Billips.
3 players with 6 or more assists. This is how the game is supposed to be played.

On the second unit, no comment--I don't have a remedy.

I would still go for a lock-down perimeter guy and suffer with that unit's basic lack of offense. If we shore up the defense for the big run, we should now have enough offense overall.
I don't think a "lock down" guard exists anymore in this NBA. Defensively, without Davis, the second unit is massively overrated.

We could use a sharp shooting or slick passing energy guy off the bench. Heck, we could use Earl Boykins.

I think that kid Rondo had a lot to do with the C's run... he's really been coming on lately.
I had no problem with the rotations... other than Lindsey obviously didn't have it tonight... this is the same guy we were praising last game for impacting the defense.... if Delfino & Brahma are allowed to stink then so is LH (not that Carlos played bad tonight)... I don't think Hunter is willing to just defer the ball... it's got to be made painfully clear that Delfino needs to be the distributor when they are matched up together.

But you can't always have your bench and eat it too... they played badly and forced the coach to bring the starters back in.... if they played better then they would have saved some of Rips minutes... the other starters were all below their minutes average tonight.

i don't see what you guys are complaining about. we dominated boston, and they had 0 chance of winning. people were laughing at them at the palace, like when scalabrine hit a few shots.

simply put, it was no contest. flip tried a new lineup in the 4th and it didn't work because rip and dice were deferring to maxiell, delfino, and hunter. delfino and hunter threw some terrible lob attempts to maxiell, and maxiell had one of his worst games ever, missing easy shots and being unable to box out.

but there's nothing to get upset over from this game. let's be encouraged by how well we played when the game actually mattered in the 1st 3 quarters. 4th quarter was cruise control.


I am pissed the starters had to come back in.
I am pissed Rip got over played when we had 3 guys in flip jr wb or super dupe who could have easily subbed in for him.
I am pissed guys were playing like the game was over and it was garbage time when there was way to much time left for that kind of stuff. Big difference when it’s the last minute and you are trying to send the fans home on a high note and 6 minutes left.
Yes it was a good win. Webber is looking like he fits in more and more. Guys are sharing the ball. It just got way to sloppy plain and simple.

Merc - not to get too off topic from the game thread.

We go through this every year with Hunter. Every year whatever coach we have uses him as the backup point and every year Dumars goes out searching for a new player.

I love his defensive plays every now and then but he is not enough as the main backup. It is a priority to move Mohammed for a backup guard so we will have to wait and see.

Here is what we could have done: Delfino at point, Tay at shooting guard, JMAX at small forward, Dyess at power forward, and Dale Davis at center to clear the glass.
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I like it.

I think that kid Rondo had a lot to do with the C's run... he's really been coming on lately.


As in Rondo, the Celts +/- leader on the season? Are you feeling it? You really have to watch a player for an extended period of time to see why they are effective when they aren't doing with pure scoring ability.

At this point, I don't really care if the Pistons play sloppy. As long as they get the win, I'm happy.

This is the first year since 2002 that I don't feel like we can win it all. So I'm just trying to enjoy each game. I still think Dale Davis will be the answer to our lack of backbone if he ever gets utilized. But I don't think he will.

Webber is looking great now... but I feel that there will be a week of reckoning in the playoffs when another team makes everything that he does irrelevant.

And I'm in no way in love with any part of Nazr's game, but throw him a bone too when you're up 20. I don't know how a guy goes from starting every freakin game to pure garbage overnight.

I had no problem with the rotations... other than Lindsey obviously didn't have it tonight... this is the same guy we were praising last game for impacting the defense.... if Delfino & Brahma are allowed to stink then so is LH (not that Carlos played bad tonight)...

The problem is Lindsey has "bad nights" more than anyone on the team, and as a ball-dominating PG, you just can't have that. He's not a playmaking passer, and he's not a scorer. So, while the Pistons are trying to force bad shots and turnovers, they're letting the other team get out on the break for easy scores. At his position, and with his style of play, he can't just have good games 1 out of every 5. Even on "good games" (where he makes some defensive plays), he still craps on the offense, so it ends up a wash.

He's the perfect guy to bring in for 20 seconds for a defensive stop at the end of quarters. That's about it.

And yes, Max had probably his worst NBA game this year. His effort on the glass and getting back in transition was awful. Not to mention he didn't finish any of his shots.

I have always said the major knock on Flip is he has very poor substitution patterns.

He seems as though he doesn't have a plan or a clue when it comes to what subs/combinations to play.

He better get it right before the playoffs begin.

Secondly, our bench played horrific, again we need a back up PG/SG badly. What cha waiting on Joe, get er done.

I must be the only person in this Forum Family besides ArmyGirl that works a 8 hr day and goes to workout for 2 hrs after their done. (In the Army, its 6AM workouts BEFORE work)These guys get paid millions to play 30-45 minutes a night!!! I'm really tired of saying we overwork Rip and Chauncey. Rip played the slowest 42 minutes I ever seen last night. Wilt once AVERAGED 48.4 MPG IN ONE SEASON (He played every minute including overtimes!) DWade avgd 44MPG in the playoffs last year and has a ring and an Olympic medal in his pocket. What do you think those guys are doing today while Im out here in 35degree weather working? Give the MPG's a break. If you are areal man , it means nothing. Crybabies and sissies sit, Men and players PLAY!!!....IMFHO!

I must be the only person in this Forum Family besides ArmyGirl that works a 8 hr day and goes to workout for 2 hrs after their done.

Eh hem. Did you get the day off today or something?

I hear ya HQ... the fatigued leg syndrom strikes again... how will they ever rest up on their off days.... whew, exhausting I tell ya.
Before someone goes on a rant about the abuse your body takes in games... I'm well aware (intense two hour practices are harder than the games)... unless you're nursing an injury it's not that bad.

Oh yeah, sorry they didn't win the game good enough last night...lol :shout:

In fact, I think it's unacceptable that Pistons fans should demand anything less than Wilt Chamberlain minutes, Wilt Chamberlain points, Wilt Chamberlain rebounds, Wilt Chamberlain plus/minus, Wilt Chamberlain star power, a different Wilt Chamberlain girl every game, good for three to sixteen gratuitous closeups with accompanying individualized digital graphics package while the other team's shooting free throws, and Wilt ChamberlainGilbert Arenas unbelievably narcissistic interviews with the media from every Piston starter.

The problem is Lindsey has "bad nights" more than anyone on the team, and as a ball-dominating PG, you just can't have that. He's not a playmaking passer, and he's not a scorer. So, while the Pistons are trying to force bad shots and turnovers, they're letting the other team get out on the break for easy scores. At his position, and with his style of play, he can't just have good games 1 out of every 5. Even on "good games" (where he makes some defensive plays), he still craps on the offense, so it ends up a wash.

He's the perfect guy to bring in for 20 seconds for a defensive stop at the end of quarters. That's about it.

And yes, Max had probably his worst NBA game this year. His effort on the glass and getting back in transition was awful. Not to mention he didn't finish any of his shots.

Ok, some of you guys just go overboard. At least wait until the guy costs us games. We do not have games that just boil down to Lindsey Hunter being on the floor. Nevermind the fact that he doesn't get nearly enough minutes to be the on-the-floor cancer you guys are playing him out to be. Aroyyo is a "ball dominating" PG. The same can hardly be said for Hunter at ANY stretch of his career.

..and to actively plan to play a guy for potentially 80 secs. a night is just silly.

You guys really have forgotten quickly just how bad Murray was.

In fact, I think it's unacceptable that Pistons fans should demand anything less than Wilt Chamberlain minutes, Wilt Chamberlain points, Wilt Chamberlain rebounds, Wilt Chamberlain plus/minus, Wilt Chamberlain star power, a different Wilt Chamberlain girl every game, good for three to sixteen gratuitous closeups with accompanying individualized digital graphics package while the other team's shooting free throws, and Wilt ChamberlainGilbert Arenas unbelievably narcissistic interviews with the media from every Piston starter.
And the bench too.

I must be the only person in this Forum Family besides ArmyGirl that works a 8 hr day and goes to workout for 2 hrs after their done. (In the Army, its 6AM workouts BEFORE work)These guys get paid millions to play 30-45 minutes a night!!! I'm really tired of saying we overwork Rip and Chauncey. Rip played the slowest 42 minutes I ever seen last night. Wilt once AVERAGED 48.4 MPG IN ONE SEASON (He played every minute including overtimes!) DWade avgd 44MPG in the playoffs last year and has a ring and an Olympic medal in his pocket. What do you think those guys are doing today while Im out here in 35degree weather working? Give the MPG's a break. If you are areal man , it means nothing. Crybabies and sissies sit, Men and players PLAY!!!....IMFHO!

I workout 3 times a week for about 1/2 hour, but I have not for the past week since it got so cold out. And I took almost a year off since starting again last month.

Anyway, good points on the mins when you consider what other player put in. No Piston starter has ever broken top 10 in MPG since we started complaining about it a few years ago.

Not everyone's body (or mind) has the same tolerances. Nor, for that matter, are the Pistons' starters nearly as good as everyone in Detroit likes to believe they are.

And as for Lindsey Hunter, losing us games is almost impossible to quantify. Until you get Mark Madsen jacking up ten threes for lottery balls, nobody can make any argument that would convince a player's fans that that player is causing his team to lose the game.

Not everyone's body (or mind) has the same tolerances. Nor, for that matter, are the Pistons' starters nearly as good as everyone in Detroit likes to believe they are.

And as for Lindsey Hunter, losing us games is almost impossible to quantify. Until you get Mark Madsen jacking up ten threes for lottery balls, nobody can make any argument that would convince a player's fans that that player is causing his team to lose the game.

We did not lose that game. One would not think that by reading these threads.

on the +/- Hunter is tied with Murry at -6.8 points when he is out there. That thes them up leading the team in the negative.

The position needs to be upgraded. The guy does not get a free pass just because someone thinks its the right thing to do.

We are similar to the Sacto Kings of two years ago... just a little older.... the Spurs still play defense (whupped the Wizz in DC).

And I'm in no way in love with any part of Nazr's game, but throw him a bone too when you're up 20. I don't know how a guy goes from starting every freakin game to pure garbage overnight.

I am not amused to see how this is being handled, either from Flip or JD.

Of course we are seeing such perceptive journalism, that to stimulate readership activity...lets just start rumors.

Eh hem. Did you get the day off today or something?hahahaha...naw Tay, I have a sprint card on my laptop in my truck, so Im online all day EVERY DAY. Your OLDSKOOL Big Brutha IS ALWAYS WATCHIN!!!!!:nerd2:

I hear ya HQ... the fatigued leg syndrom strikes again... how will they ever rest up on their off days.... whew, exhausting I tell ya.
Before someone goes on a rant about the abuse your body takes in games... I'm well aware (intense two hour practices are harder than the games)... unless you're nursing an injury it's not that bad.

Oh yeah, sorry they didn't win the game good enough last night...lol :shout:wORD, BRO...i MEAN, THIS IS A VETERAN TEAM WHEN THEY HIT THE 24 PT MARK , i TOLD MY GIRL (oops-caps_) this is done. Pt spreads dont concern me. After the 13-0 Celtic run, it was just like playing your lil brutha....

We are similar to the Sacto Kings of two years ago... just a little older.... the Spurs still play defense (whupped the Wizz in DC).
I watched the first half and some of the 4th. The Spurs are still the team I fear most, and love to hate. Classy show on Wiz' HC. We'll see them next week. And they showed us we have nothing to fear over Wiz in playoffs.