I was going to leave this for the Spurs/Jazz thread but, damn that. This is enough to warrant it's own discussion.

There is NO video footage in existence of Bill Laimbeer purposing making plays that have or could potentially injure a player long or short term (hard fouls excluded) - think Karate kick footage from the Youtube video on Bowen.

Yet, lo and behold, everyone's favorite clean boy, Grant Hill felt the need on national TV to shy away from calling Bowen a "dirty" player.

However, he was also moved to toss in this little gem:

"Now, Bill Laimbeer, HE was a dirty player."

I'm saying it right now and I don't care who knows....

F*** Grant Hill and I hope Dumars never ONCE entertains the thought of bringing this jackass back to DET to finish his "illustrious" career.

That's ridiculous. Grant never even played with or against Laimbs. But hey, easy target for yukking it up with all his journalist friends.

I was going to leave this for the Spurs/Jazz thread but, damn that. This is enough to warrant it's own discussion.

There is NO video footage in existence of Bill Laimbeer purposing making plays that have or could potentially injure a player long or short term (hard fouls excluded) - think Karate kick footage from the Youtube video on Bowen.

Yet, lo and behold, everyone's favorite clean boy, Grant Hill felt the need on national TV to shy away from calling Bowen a "dirty" player.

However, he was also moved to toss in this little gem:

"Now, Bill Laimbeer, HE was a dirty player."

I'm saying it right now and I don't care who knows....

F*** Grant Hill and I hope Dumars never ONCE entertains the thought of bringing this jackass back to DET to finish his "illustrious" career.

He's never going to win anything. Screw him.

He would be a great backup to Tay. I hope Joe signs him.

GRANT HILL + TAMIA = LOO-HOO-HOO-HOOOOOOO-SERRRRRR!!!...

P.S.- the only really "dirty" play I saw Bill do was the one I feel he got away with: In a playoff game vs Milwaukee in the old Mecca, Larry Krystowiac wa sgoing in on alayup off a steal. Bill tried to catch up to him with no chance in Hell of blocking the shot. It was like one wall of paint trying to dry faster than another wall of paint. I digress. Anyway, lamb reach out with his hand and touched K's back. He slipped and pulled his knee out. I watched the replay over and over and couldnt help not believing Lamb didnt do that on purpose. Ive never denied the fact Lamb and horn werent dirty, I just didnt givacrap because at least they were on my side.....That reminds me, did anyone remember back in the Ruland/mahorn days when Mahorn said "he couldnt stand the little blank!"? That little blank was Capt zeke:pound: :pound: .

However, he was also moved to toss in this little gem:

"Now, Bill Laimbeer, HE was a dirty player."

I'm saying it right now and I don't care who knows....

F*** Grant Hill and I hope Dumars never ONCE entertains the thought of bringing this jackass back to DET to finish his "illustrious" career.

Hill is a china doll. He probably resents an ironman like Laimbeer who missed less games in his 12 years or so in the league than Hill misses in an average week. :crutch:

You're right Low. Who needs him? What's he won? Nothing! Lambs has two dirty azz trophies.

Seems like over the past 2 years Dumars has been trying to get away from bringing in used up vets to patch holes ( Maxiel, Delfino). If a Webber comes by for almost nothing you take it but overall I would like to see more youth infusion rather than brining is a dried up vet like Hill.

Even without his Laimbeer comment, there's no way I want Grant back...I'd rather have Stackhouse.

stackhouse is at least Tough.

I got a DVD set of the 1st Champioship season Piston playoffs. It has the whole games on it and Laimbeer took a lot of cheap shots and that's a fact.

I don't care much for Grant Hill but I agree with Slippy that he would be a great addition to this team. I really get sick of the whole .."oh what a gentleman Grant Hill is"..what makes him a gentleman? He has a soft voice..maybe that's it?

Yet, lo and behold, everyone's favorite clean boy, Grant Hill felt the need on national TV to shy away from calling Bowen a "dirty" player.



Is there some sort of honor code among NBA players about discussing current players and whether or not they are dirty? I ask because I haven't heard one former or current NBA player opine that Bowen is dirty when asked about the Bowen situation with Amare (which to me was pretty obviously a sneaky little move by Bowen that was not a natural basketball action --- similar to the Kobe elbows to the face).

But apparently only some journalists and fans see the play this way, or if any current or former players see it this way, they are not talking about it on national television. I watched Greg Anthony dance around this same subject on ESPN at least 4 separate times, even when confronted with video evidence (although not challenged by the studio host). I'm just wondering what is up with everyone being so tight lipped about it.

Is there some sort of honor code among NBA players about discussing current players and whether or not they are dirty? I ask because I haven't heard one former or current NBA player opine that Bowen is dirty when asked about the Bowen situation with Amare (which to me was pretty obviously a sneaky little move by Bowen that was not a natural basketball action --- similar to the Kobe elbows to the face).

But apparently only some journalists and fans see the play this way, or if any current or former players see it this way, they are not talking about it on national television. I watched Greg Anthony dance around this same subject on ESPN at least 4 separate times, even when confronted with video evidence (although not challenged by the studio host). I'm just wondering what is up with everyone being so tight lipped about it.

Maybe current players are keeping their mouths shut because they don't want to get a Bruce Bowen Elbow to the Head.

Is there some sort of honor code among NBA players about discussing current players and whether or not they are dirty? I ask because I haven't heard one former or current NBA player opine that Bowen is dirty when asked about the Bowen situation with Amare (which to me was pretty obviously a sneaky little move by Bowen that was not a natural basketball action --- similar to the Kobe elbows to the face).

But apparently only some journalists and fans see the play this way, or if any current or former players see it this way, they are not talking about it on national television. I watched Greg Anthony dance around this same subject on ESPN at least 4 separate times, even when confronted with video evidence (although not challenged by the studio host). I'm just wondering what is up with everyone being so tight lipped about it.

I just think it's taboo and no one wants to be on that island alone. Everyone else in the league runs fast and far away from anyone who makes assertions that someone is dirty.

I got a DVD set of the 1st Champioship season Piston playoffs. It has the whole games on it and Laimbeer took a lot of cheap shots and that's a fact. ...

I'm sorry, I don't agree. I have that set and spent this weekend watching it...

He fouled people very hard and would clobber guys in the lane, but those were arm and body fouls, I can't say I saw Laimbeer do things in the same vein as Bowen or even Eric Snow. No achilles kicks, foot under the jump shooter's ankles, or Snow's patented knee to the sternum layup.

I'm sorry, I don't agree. I have that set and spent this weekend watching it...

He fouled people very hard and would clobber guys in the lane, but those were arm and body fouls, I can't say I saw Laimbeer do things in the same vein as Bowen or even Eric Snow. No achilles kicks, foot under the jump shooter's ankles, or Snow's patented knee to the sternum layup.


Ok...you're right..Laimbeer wasn't trying to injure people but he elbowed people after plays were done shoved them after plays etc. Let's not pretend he didn't take some cheap shots.

Ok...you're right..Laimbeer wasn't trying to injure people but he elbowed people after plays were done shoved them after plays etc. Let's not pretend he didn't take some cheap shots.

Ok look, if Laimbeer shoves you after a play, you might be pissed off, but you're season or your career isn't in danger. I think there is a distinct difference between that and a dirty player.

What Horry did to Nash wasn't going to put his season or career in jeapordy...it just served to piss off the entire PHX team. What Bowen does is much worse because it leads to injuries, some that could potentially threaten a player's career.

Ok look, if Laimbeer shoves you after a play, you might be pissed off, but you're season or your career isn't in danger. I think there is a distinct difference between that and a dirty player.

What Horry did to Nash wasn't going to put his season or career in jeapordy...it just served to piss off the entire PHX team. What Bowen does is much worse because it leads to injuries, some that could potentially threaten a player's career.
I have to agree. After playing Lamb the players would have bumps and bruises and that is all. When playing against Bowen, you could have a serious injury. And a kick to the face? Man, I couldn't believe that video when I watched it.

I think Bill was dirty but he wasn't any more dirty than a good number of top nba guys like stockton. I think players got mad when he flopped when they pushed back or when he acted like "what? a foul? how?"

Let Hill play for somebody else. His skills aren't anything special at this point, and the Pistons owe him NOTHING. Fill the spot with a young guy who'll fight for the team, rather than his image.

Grant Hill has decided he's going to play somewhere next season and there's a possibility the Detroit Pistons, his original team with whom he had his best years, might be the destination.
Hill, who's a free agent after spending six mostly injury-plagued seasons with the Orlando Magic, was vacationing in the Caribbean during much of the Eastern Conference finals when the Pistons were upset by the Cleveland Cavaliers.

With his ankle now stabilized, the 12-year veteran says he hasn't closed the door on a return to the Magic but is listening to all offers. Could a return to Detroit be in his future? "I'm keeping myself open," Hill says. link: Hill will listen to other offers, perhaps Pistons' - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/magic/2007-06-08-hill-offers_N.htm?csp=34)

I am willing to bet that Grant Hill coming off the bench running the point instead of Hunter or Murray would have resulted in a Spurs/Pistons finals right now.

Come on Joe, bring the Hill familiy back to Detroit and Canada. He can be a part of that veteran NON-arrogant leadership you need to get those youngsters in tuned to whats going on.

He still can hit the the short range jumper, and still has the skills to penetrate and get to the line and be the point forward that tay is trying to be and he can play the 1 , 2 or 3 if needed with 18-20 mins off the bench.

link: Hill will listen to other offers, perhaps Pistons' - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/magic/2007-06-08-hill-offers_N.htm?csp=34)


I hope this doesn't happen, then we will have 2 players running away from Lebron on dunk attempts.

I've got mixed thoughts and feelings on this one.

I can't decide if he's a good guy or a jerk, and also can't decide if he's still able to play or if he's done.

I don't know how he would fit in with the current team, but then again who will our "current" team be??

I think Grant Hill is too old (he'll be 35 this Fall) and too much of a health risk (he has a steel plate and pins in that bad ankle) to bring on board. Why take a chance with a guy who is nearing the end of his career and whose health is a question mark?

Get a young pg in the draft. Pistons need quickness of the bench.

I have no desire to see Grant Hill in a Piston's jersey again.

I kid you not, I'd rather see Ron Artest.

Why take a chance with a guy who is nearing the end of his career and whose health is a question mark?

Because it would be cheap.

I have no desire to see Grant Hill in a Piston's jersey again.

I kid you not, I'd rather see Ron Artest.


ron artest would actually do us some good.

ron artest would actually do us some good.

No Free Chili.

But Low, Laims and Mahorn were dirty. They were masters of raking down a shooters arms from the ball (if they could reach it) to the head and shoulder area. They clotheslined guys, set picks with elbows sometimes extended away from the body. They enforced the no layup rule. And it was ok with me.

According to the local Lakers radio guy here, the lakers are looking at Artest, Hill amd Jermaine O and Camby as possible candidates to keep Kobe happy. They only have 5 mill to spend, so if they got two of them one whould have to signed at the min.

I am sure Tamia would not mind coming to Hollywood to extend her career, but I still think Hill as at least 1.5 years left in the tank and would till give you more than Hunter, Delfino and Murray and play all of their positions.

We got to reward him for allowing us to get Ben for five years:)

I could see Jermaine O`Neal really helping Kobe and the Lakers.

He would be good for at least 10 more wins, perhaps a top four seed position in the western conference.

itd be sweet if the lakers could bring in oneal in a trade and then hill at the mle

Hill Kobe and Oneal could def put enough points on the board to win some games.