Star-Telegram.com | 06/29/2007 | Is Mavs owner now crying foul? (http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/152950.html)

Not defending Mark, but you have to read between the lines on this one.

Cuban is a cry baby. Your team is weak and doesn't have any heart because your star player Captain Dirk has no heart and is softer than a piece of cake. Going by Cuban's logic then you should not trade players to other teams or fire and head coaches and assistant coaches from your team because they might have inside info and give it to an opposing team. Whatever!!!

You think Big Ben Wallace didn't tell his Bull team mates what RIP and Chauncey like to do and how to get under Sheed's skin? You think Rick Carlysle didn't share info with his players? It happens all the time.

Get a life Cuban.:gun1: And stop making excuses.

Not defending Mark, but you have to read between the lines on this one.

I don't see any secret message. All I see is a guy making excuses on why his team lost instead of accepting defeat.

Don Nelson knows the habits of the Dallas players. So what? That happens all the time in sports, but teams find a way to get through that. Dallas couldn't, and Cuban resorts to this BS.

Maybe Cuban is upset because Don Nelson told his team that Dirk wears womens underwear.:pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :nerd2: :nerd2: :nerd2: :nerd2: :nerd2:

That's inside info for you.... badda bing!!!

I don't see any secret message. All I see is a guy making excuses on why his team lost instead of accepting defeat.

Don Nelson knows the habits of the Dallas players. So what? That happens all the time in sports, but teams find a way to get through that. Dallas couldn't, and Cuban resorts to this BS.
A lot of people read one article and then draw conclusions without researching the topic further.

Cuban and Nellie have a horrible relationship that goes back much further than the recent series loss.

I'm not reading any crying from Cuban in that article. I am reading a lot of conjecture from Nellie's lawyer. Personally, I am not a big fan of other people putting words in my mouth. I don't think many folks are.

This is ridiculous. The NBA doesn't allow a coach to be under contract to two different teams at the same time to avoid these types of situations. And if he was, Mark Cuban should have brought this to the proper NBA officials the moment it was beginning to transpire, not a few months after getting your worst beating in NBA history. I cast my vote for sour grapes.

Nellie had a non-compete clause and he violated it by going to the Warriors. He still wants to get paid, and yet he still wants to compete against the people paying him.

Obviously there is a lot of gray area in this case, but non-competition clauses are fundamental to many buyout agreements. As it stands now, it looks like Cuban has a case against Nellie for breach of contract.

Nellie had a non-compete clause and he violated it by going to the Warriors. He still wants to get paid, and yet he still wants to compete against the people paying him.

Obviously there is a lot of gray area in this case, but non-competition clauses are fundamental to many buyout agreements. As it stands now, it looks like Cuban has a case against Nellie for breach of contract.


I see your point Roscoe. I just think Cuban should have played this card 9 months ago when Nelson took the job. Cuban could have went to Stern and if he did not get satisfaction he could have filed suit in court naming the Golden State Warriors and Nelson as defendants and gotten a court order banning Nelson from coaching until the case was resolved.
Cuban did none of this. He chose to wait until after his team got beaten to claim foul play. It just doesn't make Cuban look good even though he has a legit case. Making a stink about it now makes him look like a sore loser.

I think Cuban thought like many of us did when he heard where Nelson was going to coach and laughed. Golden State?? LOL.. Good Luck Nellie. I know that was my reaction. This whole breach of contract thing was not even on his mind at the time. However now, Golden State is a force to be reckoned with.

The claim of foul play was made months ago. I remember reading it on ESPN. But when folks take one article, title it XYZ is a loser, or ABC messes up again, regardless of the facts, the source or the history, we end up with people developing malformed opinions.

Cuban stopped paying Nelson when he breached his contract.

One could say that he was classy about not blocking Nellie from going to Golden State over it. He seemed content to just stop paying him.

Now Nellie wants to double dip and get paid by Oakland and Dallas. We vilified Larry Brown for that.

This drama has been going on for several seasons.

Lost on all the people who want to jump on Cuban is that he still employs Nelson's son and he gave Nellie a very nice buyout.

It's just part of our cynical society where we cry that there are no more good guys, but when we have one, we tear them down and laugh at them.

WW, you don't like that Davidson is cheap. Cuban has spent out of his own pocket to build the Mavs. He spares no expense for the team on or off the court. He sits in the stands with the regular fans so he can get an idea of how good the fan experience is because he's a smart marketer.

But hey, if people think a self made billionaire and winner, who I will admit is a bit of a narcissist, is a loser then so be it.

The claim of foul play was made months ago. I remember reading it on ESPN. But when folks take one article, title it XYZ is a loser, or ABC messes up again, regardless of the facts, the source or the history, we end up with people developing malformed opinions.

Cuban stopped paying Nelson when he breached his contract.

One could say that he was classy about not blocking Nellie from going to Golden State over it. He seemed content to just stop paying him.

Now Nellie wants to double dip and get paid by Oakland and Dallas. We vilified Larry Brown for that.

This drama has been going on for several seasons.

Lost on all the people who want to jump on Cuban is that he still employs Nelson's son and he gave Nellie a very nice buyout.

It's just part of our cynical society where we cry that there are no more good guys, but when we have one, we tear them down and laugh at them.

WW, you don't like that Davidson is cheap. Cuban has spent out of his own pocket to build the Mavs. He spares no expense for the team on or off the court. He sits in the stands with the regular fans so he can get an idea of how good the fan experience is because he's a smart marketer.

But hey, if people think a self made billionaire and winner, who I will admit is a bit of a narcissist, is a loser then so be it.


I don't think Cuban is a loser Roscoe. Anybody that is a self made billionaire is far from a loser. I think Cuban is a sore loser or to better phrase it doesn't like to lose. I think it burns him more that Nellie beat his team. That is my opinion. I admit I don't know alot of the back history on this story. However, reading the article Cuban doesn't make a plausible arguement to suport himself. He rambles about Nellie having inside information about the Mavs. This is the main thing that I commented on in my earlier post and that statement is what made a lot of people just tune out and say Cuban is crying again. Cuban should have just stuck to the fact that Nellie breached his contract and was trying to double dip and get paid by both teams. He should have just said that we had an agreement in place in which the Warriors and Nelson violated. Perhaps Cuban was being classy in not making a big deal about Nellie going to Golden State. However, business is business and a agreement is a agreement. Demanding Nelson sign away his right to further payments from Cuban or demanding compensation from the Warriors would have been Cuban's recourse if he did not want to go to court. Cuban did not do this. So Cuban while perhaps being classy is going to end up looking bad.

Nellie's lawyer says that. Not Cuban.

Did you here what Cuban said to Don when Don told him he was going to Golden State?


Wooooooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Nellie:hoops:

Interesting read.

Nelson knows his worth (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/07/04/SPGQSQQNHV1.DTL)

And in this blog entry, I believe Cuban is hinting that the recent quotes in the Nellie articles are actually old quotes (and again, I have never read him say that Nellie is using his knowledge of the Mavs against them).
Blogging's impact on media credibility - Blog Maverick (http://www.blogmaverick.com/2007/07/04/bloggings-impact-on-media-credibility/)

Cuban is a self made Billionaire
Cuban is a family man
Cuban loves cats
Cuban is a Libertarian

Cuban is a winner, all the way

Mark Cuban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Cuban)

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Mark Cuban Rugby player. Not an easy sport to play

He played rugby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_union) while at Indiana, taking up the position of number 8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_union_positions#8._Number_eight).Mark Cuban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Cuban)


8. Number eight

Number eight is the only position that does not have a specific name and is simply referred to as 'the number eight'. The modern number eight has the physical strength of a forward along with the mobility of other loose forwards. The number eight packs down at the rear of the scrum, controlling the movement of the ball to the scrum-half with his/her feet. The number 8 is the position where the ball enters the backline from the scrum and, hence, both fly half and inside centre take their role from the number 8 who as the hindmost player in the scrum can elect to pick and run with the ball like a back. As a result, the number 8 has the opportunities as a back to run from set plays.
They are normally tall and athletic and used as an option to win the ball from the back of the lineout. Like flankers they do less of the pushing than locks or props, but need to be quick to cover opposition half-backs. A number eight should be a key ball winner in broken play, and occasionally a 'battering ram' at the front of rucks.
Some back-row players are versatile enough to play either of the flanker positions or at number 8; one notable example is Joe van Niekerk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_van_Niekerk) (South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_national_rugby_union_team)).
Even more versatile players in this vein are Michael Owen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Owen_%28rugby_player%29) (Wales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales_national_rugby_union_team) and Lions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_Irish_Lions)) and Martin Corry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Corry) (England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_national_rugby_union_team) and Lions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_Irish_Lions)), who normally play number 8, but also frequently play at both flanker positions, and have even successfully played at lock. David Wallace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wallace_%28rugby_player%29) (Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_national_rugby_union_team) and Lions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_Irish_Lions)) is one of the few players who has experience playing at number 8, both flankers, centre and even on the wing at club level for Munster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munster_Rugby).
Number eights in the International Rugby Hall of Fame include: Mervyn Davies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Mervyn_Davies) (Wales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales_national_rugby_union_team) and Lions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_Irish_Lions)), Morne du Plessis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morne_du_Plessis) (South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_national_rugby_union_team)), Hennie Muller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hennie_Muller) (South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_national_rugby_union_team)) and Brian Lochore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Lochore) (New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_national_rugby_union_team)).

Rugby union positions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_union_positions#8._Number_eight)



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He wants to buy the Cubbies.


Add Internet billionaire and Dallas Mavericks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/dal/;_ylt=ApmY6iezlWhZRNuuCULWDb6pu7YF) owner Mark Cuban to the list of potential Chicago Cubs (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/chc/;_ylt=AlUuxvdmQ0a17xLwmJkvncKpu7YF) buyers. "I submitted an app," Cuban said in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

Cuban taking an interest in the Chicago Cubs - MLB - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AvfkulUNU2YyzHz8V5vI7RQ5nYcB?slug=ap-cubs-cuban&prov=ap&type=lgns)

If you cant make fun of yourself... - Blog Maverick (http://www.blogmaverick.com/2007/07/13/if-you-cant-make-fun-of-yourself/)

He wants to buy the Cubbies.


Add Internet billionaire and Dallas Mavericks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/dal/;_ylt=ApmY6iezlWhZRNuuCULWDb6pu7YF) owner Mark Cuban to the list of potential Chicago Cubs (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/chc/;_ylt=AlUuxvdmQ0a17xLwmJkvncKpu7YF) buyers. "I submitted an app," Cuban said in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

Cuban taking an interest in the Chicago Cubs - MLB - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AvfkulUNU2YyzHz8V5vI7RQ5nYcB?slug=ap-cubs-cuban&prov=ap&type=lgns)

It would be nice if he included Mr. Cub on his ownership team. Also great for PR if they were successful in buying the Cubs.

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Can Cuban dance?

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Is it possible Mark Cuban, Floyd Mayweather Jr. or Wayne Newton can dance? Viewers will find out on the new season of "Dancing With the Stars," which has assembled another eclectic field of contestants.

Cuban, the billionaire Dallas Mavericks owner, welterweight boxing champ Mayweather and Las Vegas headliner Newton are among the 12 celebrities who will compete when the show returns Sept. 24, ABC announced Wednesday.

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IMO Mark Cuban is good for the NBA. You are always going to get people wanting to take cheap shots at you when you are as visible as he is.

Can Cuban dance?



Welcome to WOW! - News (http://portal.wowway.net/news/read.php?ps=1016&id=15444797&_LT=HOME_LARSDCCLM_UNEWS)


The heck with Cuban...he will be voted out in the first two weeks whether he can dance or not. I will pull for Scary Spice or Jennie Garth if I decide to even watch it. Wonder if Jayne Seymour will flash us like she did in "wedding crashers":)

As weird as this is, you have to respect that he's willing to compete outside his element.

If you cant make fun of yourself... - Blog Maverick (http://www.blogmaverick.com/2007/07/13/if-you-cant-make-fun-of-yourself/)

My favorite owner. A rare and lucky fellow who is not afraid to be human. Money is an avenue to experience it all and not to be used to build an empire.

I don't know about Wayne Newton, but when I was a kid I used to like his brother Fig....:pound:

http://www.pistonsforum.com/nba-stuff/3071-mark-cuban-good-bad-basketball.html

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His dance partner on Dancing With The Stars, on the air as I write this, might suggest otherwise.

Of course his dancing might reconfirm it or it may not.

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Saw dancing with the stars. Cuban did a nice job of dancing and he projected a good image. At 56 years old, Jane Seymore still looks good.

Saw dancing with the stars. Cuban did a nice job of dancing and he projected a good image. At 56 years old, Jane Seymore still looks good.

She looks a lot better than Wayne "Mr. Las Vegas" Newton does at 65. But then I always thought that the other Newton was far more attractive.

A more recent picture and she is now 59.

http://www.perfectpeople.net/media/indexpictures/357.jpg

Olivia Newton-John pictures, posters, photos, interviews and wallpapers. (http://www.perfectpeople.net/celebrity-star/357/olivia-newtonjohn.htm)

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Report: Cuban not interested in Dirk-for-Kobe trade

ESPN.com news services





Updated: October 19, 2007, 7:07 PM


Mark Cuban has been known as a risk-taker during his tenure as the owner of the Dallas Mavericks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal). But Cuban won't risk trading reigning MVP Dirk Nowitzki (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3252) in an effort to acquire disgruntled Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal) star Kobe Bryant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3118).

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nba/profiles/players/65x90/3118.jpg Bryant

According to The Dallas Morning News, Cuban said he will not trade Nowitzki, even if it meant he could get Bryant in return. Cuban spoke about the Bryant situation at a North Dallas dance studio, where he was taking a break from rehersals with Kym Johnson, his Dancing With the Stars partner.




ESPN - Report: Cuban won't trade Nowitzki to get Kobe - NBA (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3070937)

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From my POV, Mark Cuban has been a plus when it comes to basketball, and he is a winner on a number of fronts. I can only imagine what he and Joe could have done if he was the owner up here.

He puts himself "out there", like with the April Fool joke he played on the NBA, the Dancing With the Stars, and his treatment of his players. He seems to really do everything for his players.

Starting out from where he did and getting to the point he is now took a lot of different skills and taking a lot of chances. He outdid "the Donald" in my mind, without all the fanfare and stepping on people on the way up.

How did Cuban make his money?

From my POV, Mark Cuban has been a plus when it comes to basketball, and he is a winner on a number of fronts. I can only imagine what he and Joe could have done if he was the owner up here.

He puts himself "out there", like with the April Fool joke he played on the NBA, the Dancing With the Stars, and his treatment of his players. He seems to really do everything for his players.

Starting out from where he did and getting to the point he is now took a lot of different skills and taking a lot of chances. He outdid "the Donald" in my mind, without all the fanfare and stepping on people on the way up.

Right On.

Cuban is the victim of just plain jealousy by many people who are envious of his self made success, attributing a lot of it too luck. People also don't like his maverick personality.

How many of us would have the guts to get up on Dancing With The Stars and let 15% of America see that we can't dance, but still have a great time and do a great self promo for free.



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Right On.
People also don't like his maverick personality.


Nicely said.

Right On.

Cuban is the victim of just plain jealousy by many people who are envious of his self made success, attributing a lot of it too luck. People also don't like his maverick personality.

How many of us would have the guts to get up on Dancing With The Stars and let 15% of America see that we can't dance, but still have a great time and do a great self promo for free.



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It's over now..so he is a loser in ballroom dancing
Dancing with the Stars: Mark Cuban voted off the show (http://www.ogpaper.com/news/news-01153.html)

It's over now..so he is a loser in ballroom dancing
Dancing with the Stars: Mark Cuban voted off the show (http://www.ogpaper.com/news/news-01153.html)

Did he get a date with his partner Kym Johnson?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Kymjohnson.jpg/180px-Kymjohnson.jpg

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Did he get a date with his partner Kym Johnson?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Kymjohnson.jpg/180px-Kymjohnson.jpg

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Their last preformance, she did a nice impression of Barbara Eden from "I dream of Genie". Same genie outfit too. I gave her a "10"

Their last preformance, she did a nice impression of Barbara Eden from "I dream of Genie". Same genie outfit too. I gave her a "10"

She looks somewhat similar.

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Cuban's married, I believe he has two children.

I'm pretty proud of Mark for doing this. I don't know if I would have the guts to try it. He's not someone who makes his money via his celebrity, so there wasn't really a financial incentive to participate.

Someone told me yesterday that he lost 30 lbs. for this competition. We should all be so bold.

Cuban's married, I believe he has two children.

I'm pretty proud of Mark for doing this. I don't know if I would have the guts to try it. He's not someone who makes his money via his celebrity, so there wasn't really a financial incentive to participate.

Someone told me yesterday that he lost 30 lbs. for this competition. We should all be so bold.


Even more impressive, he had full hip replacement 5.5 weeks before the Dancin/stars competition began. (he was on the view today dancing to the Jeanie song again).

I think he also lost 30 pounds for this.

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He did great for not being either a performer, musician or athlete.

I am a big "DWTS" fan. Ive watched it three years straight without missing an episode. Ive got to see Leyla ali, Vivica Fox and now Mel B(aka Scary Spice) in outfits I wished women could wear to the club today...(BTw, Mel B's shape..BOINGYOINGYOING!!!!) And jane seymour??/ DAMNN! SHE'S 60!!! Plus, I get to see Cherl, Kim and the sexiest women dancers(class + personality x body = sexy)in my world!
So, I will say this....Cuban is a billionare who showed a lo of guts this month. I respect him very much for doing the show, because no matter how arrogant he was for wanting to go on in the first palce...it took guts to acually go through with it.

In the end he looked better out there than Wayne "Mr. Las Vegas" Newton, who has made his living from entertaining people on stage.

Mr. Las Vegas had more makeup on him than all of the women put together. LOL

Actually I thought almost all of the women wore way too much makeup when they performed and looked a lot better in the vids showing them practicing with their partners.

I have never have liked any makeup on women except for some light rouge, minimal lip gloss and very light and subtle fragrant perfume. This way they have what I like to call "The 24/7 look. Prevents being disillusioned.

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In the end he looked better out there than Wayne "Mr. Las Vegas" Newton, who has made his living from entertaining people on stage.

Mr. Las Vegas had more makeup on him than all of the women put together. LOL

Actually I thought almost all of the women wore way too much makeup when they performed and looked a lot better in the vids showing them practicing with their partners.

I have never have liked any makeup on women except for some light rouge, minimal lip gloss and very light and subtle fragrant perfume. This way they have what I like to call "The 24/7 look. Prevents being disillusioned.

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Agree that Wayne Newton wears way too much makeup. I Like the look of Cheryl Burke. Some of the ladies just look good wether they wear a lot of makeup or not. I just don't like the "raccoon" look around the eyes.

Some of the ladies just look good wether they wear a lot of makeup or not. I just don't like the "raccoon" look around the eyes.

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