Michael Vick will plead guilty to federal charges in a dogfighting investigation next Monday, his lawyer said. All three of Vick's co-defendants have taken pleas. No details have been released on the prison time Vick faces.

ESPN - Vick agrees to plead guilty in dogfighting case - NFL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2983121)


It looks like the game is up. How much jail time will he serve?

9 months + probation is my guess.

We know in-house arrest is not viable in this case. If he had 9 months to kill at home, you know he's gonna see that black barn out the back window and get the hankerin'.

9 months + probation is my guess.

We know in-house arrest is not viable in this case. If he had 9 months to kill at home, you know he's gonna see that black barn out the back window and get the hankerin'.

He'll be sentenced to at least one year.

I bet he is really looking forward to some custom prison tattoos.

I knew a guy who gave himself tattoos in prison. He was right handed and the ones on his left arm were pretty good. The ones on his right arm were terrible.

18 months.........500k fine..........5 years probation..........

Joey Harrington a starter!!!
Hail to Vick!!!

Joey Harrington a starter!!!
Hail to Vick!!!

And Joey's best backup just went down with a season-ending injury, too.

ESPN - Falcons sliced thin at QB: Shockley's season over - NFL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2982212&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines)

That Harrington guy is a funny dude. The stars just keep aligning for him. Wonder if his Falcons career will be better. Will he have more or less pressure than he did in Detroit?

I read a Mike O'Hara column recently that Joey is still complaining about his time as a Lion.

I'm hoping J-Rod gets indicted in a Webkinz (http://www.webkinz.com/) Fighting Scandal.

I read a Mike O'Hara column recently that Joey is still complaining about his time as a Lion.

I'm hoping J-Rod gets indicted in a Webkinz (http://www.webkinz.com/) Fighting Scandal.

yep it was all the lions fault for all his failures here... we didn't run an offense he felt comfy in, we abused his mental state, and i guess we verbally abused his mom...

Gee with all the money you were making just win baby... and we would have been treating you mom like a queen.

I am really really tired of all the million dollar babbies that can't take some responsiblity for there own failures.

Joey will get his three strikes, then he's out...........of Atlanta......
Vick is out on his penalty..................

wow.... just wow.....

So even though Vick will plead quilty to what he did there is already not just the average joe saying he's innocent but a group as big as the naacp is basically trying to say he's innocent.

what ever happened to taking responsiblity and moving on and not having a million and one people making excuses for you. Should Vick be able to play again yep, but as a GM I wouldn't touch him.... 1. he has shown bad char traits that i don't want on my team 2. he has yet to show to me I would want him at QB on my team even if the last 6 months haddened happened

NAACP urges NFL to let Vick play again - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070822/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_vick_naacp_7;_ylt=AhDk4ZwifwwewGDIgs7Vi0YF1vAI )

White said the Atlanta chapter supports Vick's decision to accept a plea bargain if it's in his best interest, but he questioned the credibility of Vick's co-defendants, saying an admission of guilt might be more about cutting losses than the truth.

"At this point, you're not looking at guilt or innocence," White said, referring to the possible harsher sentence Vick could have received had he taken his case to trial and been found guilty. "You're thinking, 'What I better do is cut my losses and take a plea.' But if he saw this as the best thing to do at this point for his future, then I think he made the correct choice."

Yesterday when I was at work, I was helping a guy find some information about hunting In Montana. Pronghorn Antelope and Mule Deer. I'm not a hunter so I don't get the whole killing animals for sport thing.

Anyway he ends up bringing in this stuffed deer head from some lucky animal he had shot last fall. Hunting is big around here so I showed appropriate appreciation for his trophy and then he went on his way.

The I started thinking about this Michael Vick situation. Why is it perfectly OK to kill some types of animals, cut off their heads, stuff them etc....but you go to jail if you have dog fights. I guess you could say because they eat the deer? Well the guy isn't going all the way to Montana because he's hungry. The sport is the killing.

Maybe if Vick ate dog meat this would all be OK...or maybe it's because dogs are a sacred animal in American culture. And there is undoubtedly an element of racial bias in this whole thing.

Maybe if Vick ate dog meat this would all be OK


If he eats at Mc Donalds, he has.............:pound: :pound: :pound:

Hunting usually doesn't involve torture.

Or illegal gambling.

Hunting usually doesn't involve torture.

Or illegal gambling.

Or staging bloodsport events where the deer/moose/etc hit/bite/scratch/maim each other to death while people stand around cheering and enriching themselves off of other creatures' pain.

As an aside, though, I think game-hunting for entertainment is a pretty lowly activity to engage in. Anyone ever read "The Most Dangerous Game"? It's a short story by Richard Connell. Should be required reading for game hunters.

I'm not sure the line is as clear as that. I don't think dog fighting should be legal or that there is anything good about it. I just think people are piling on Vick like he's Charles Manson or something. Take a look at some of the other things we do (like killing animals for sport) and I don't think he's too far off mainstream America.

edit: I remember reading The Most Dangerous Game...that's a good one.

No gambling involved in hunting?? Are you that naive?

No gambling involved in hunting?? Are you that naive?
People hunt without gambling.

But isn't betting intrinsic to the dog fighting experience?

Maybe where you are, people hunt and gamble. My family and their hunting friends up until recently hunted several times a year for the last decade, and it was never about gambling. We're talking about a pretty big community of hunters in my personal example.

No gambling involved in hunting?? Are you that naive?

When your name is DirtyMoney, there is gambling in everything.

By the way, Vick isn't in trouble for being mean to dogs, he's in trouble for the wire fraud and conspiracy.

By the way, Vick isn't in trouble for being mean to dogs, he's in trouble for the wire fraud and conspiracy.

That's true. Most any athlete who commits felonies gets blasted in the media. The court of public opinion came down much harsher on this one because of the dog abuse. That pushed our collective dog-loving buttons.

Dumb and dumber:


Stephon Marbury defends Michael Vick, calls dogfighting a sport - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-marbury-vick&prov=ap&type=lgns)


"You know, from what I hear, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors" Stephon Marbury.

Unbelievable.

Dumb and dumber:


Stephon Marbury defends Michael Vick, calls dogfighting a sport - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-marbury-vick&prov=ap&type=lgns)


"You know, from what I hear, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors" Stephon Marbury.

Unbelievable.

Stephon Marbury needs a little lesson in PR. You don't promote your shoes by defending dogfighting.

Some of these guys should just smile and wave. When they open their mouths, they remove all doubt about their intelligence and values.

Here's Marbury's rebuttal to what he said yesterday:

"I don't like it at all,'' Marbury told The Post. "I don't think he's right. He's 100 percent wrong. But this dude is trying to ask for forgiveness and everyone's turning their heads on a man trying to ask for forgiveness. The way it's going about in the newspapers and TV, it's ridiculous.''


Let's try to remember who is being charged. Marbury had nothing to do with this.

he's asking for forgiveness? i have yet to hear him say one word outside of he'll be proven innocent. That and he said he needed to hang around different people (meaning people that arn't stupid enough to give the address of a dog fighting location to the police as your place of residence after being told to never use the address)

Marbury comes across as your typical over paid sports figure who thinks because he can kick, hit, or shoot better then most folks that there better then the rest of us and live by different rules.

Everytime I want to feel a bit of pity for Vick and that the media has gone to far with there reporting, something like this pops up and reminds me why Vick is in this situation in the first place. He felt he was above the law.... Don't break the law, or surrond ourself with the type of people that will break the law or drag you down.

Marbury comes across as your typical over paid sports figure who thinks because he can kick, hit, or shoot better then most folks that there better then the rest of us and live by different rules.


How much money does Marbury donate to charity? Is that typical of over-paid athletes also?

And I don't see anywhere in his quote where he claims to be better than anyone else, or that he or anyone else should live by different rules.

DAVID LETTERMAN’S TOP TEN MICHAEL VICK EXCUSES
10. “House came with a dogfighting pit, and it seemed like a shame to waste it.”
9. “Wanted to distract the public from crooked NBA referees and cheating baseball players.”
8. “Judgment was impaired by playing with lead-based Chinese toys.”
7. “I was training the dogs to ... uhhhhhh ... get Osama.”
6. “Always wanted to be quarterback for a prison team, like in ‘The Longest Yard.’”
5. “Steroids made me all crazy.”
4. “Eddie Brill told me I needed something big to close on.”
3. “Oh like you’ve never run an illegal dogfighting ring.”
2. “Thought I could get out of it by buying Kobe Bryant’s wife a diamond.”
1. “Fights weren’t worse than what you see on ‘The View.’”


www.kansascity.com | 08/22/2007 | Top Ten Michael Vick Excuses (http://www.kansascity.com/286/story/242639.html)

This guy lied to his boss, the owner of the Atlanta Falcons. He lied to the commish about this when asked directly. He even lied to his MOTHER when she heard the news and wanted assurances from her son.
Nobody owes him anything..........:gun1:

Here's my two cents...

I have no empathy for Vick.

He'll serve about a year for being a dog fighting kingpin who has funded and directed folks to torture animals in a manner that is even extreme for the average dog fighter. He's finally admitted guilt after first lying. The same team of lawyers that got Jayson Williams off (formerly of the New Jersey Nets) wasn't able to save him. Says a lot.

Oh what da hell, here's a dollar...

The focus in the news is in the wrong place. If you really want to get involved and help in a case that shows obvious examples of Jim Crowe laws still being in effect, research the Jena 6 case. Those young boys in Jena, Louisiana should be getting three times the publicity of Michael Vick. Vick will die a millionaire and he doesn't need nor deserve our sympathy.

Well...I hadn't heard about the Jena 6, Motown. I read an article about 5 black youths beating a white youth unconscious. Charges were originally attempted murder, which was found to be excessive so they were later dropped to lesser charges.

I don't have all that much empathy for Vick either but I think we agree. There are a lot more newsworthy incidents that could be covered instead of hammering Michael Vick for dog fighting. The coverage is way out of proportion to the incident and it follows a pattern of media persecution of celebrities. Jason Whitlock wrote a good article about this comparing it to the recent persecution of Don Imus...which was also way out of proportion to the incident.

Sign of the apocolypse:


Missouri woman selling Michael Vick cards chewed by her dogs in eBay auction - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-vick-chewedcards&prov=ap&type=lgns)

I don't have all that much empathy for Vick either but I think we agree. There are a lot more newsworthy incidents that could be covered instead of hammering Michael Vick for dog fighting. The coverage is way out of proportion to the incident and it follows a pattern of media persecution of celebrities.

But which segments of the media are we talking about? I've been following the Vick case entirely through ESPN and other sports media, and they aren't going to be covering things that don't involve sports or prominent athletes in some way. I honestly don't know how much coverage Vick has been getting in regular news outlets. Obviously more than zero, but has it really been that much more than the Louisiana story you guys are talking about?

If you combine regular news and sports reporting into one category and refer to all of it as "the media," then of course Vick is getting way more coverage than many other cases that are arguably more serious or more important, but I'm not sure that means very much. And I'm not exactly standing up for the judgment of regular news outlets or anything; all the crap about Paris Hilton going to jail was just one recent instance where they were all chasing the most absurdly stupid celebrity "news" story instead of a million other things that were far more important. But I'm not sure Vick falls into that category. Within the sports world, there should be no surprise that it's getting this much coverage. Athletes of his caliber and fame don't go to jail in the middle of their careers very often; Mike Tyson going to prison for rape is the last comparable instance I can think of.

D4E...I'm talking about CNN and MSNBC type of coverage. It is like Lindsey Lohan or Paris Hilton, except those two probably want as much media exposure as possible, negative or otherwise. In Vick's case I've seen the cable news loop of him walking up to the courthouse a zillion times. And his media exposure doesn't help him as it does in the two previouly mentioned cases. It's like the Imus coverage...mean spirited and designed to destroy someone's livelihood.

I don't know if it's all that comparable to Imus. Vick is going to jail, but not really because of anything the regular news media has had to say about it. He's done a pretty good job of derailing his own livelihood regardless of how many times they talk about him on CNN. But the Imus flap was a 100% media-driven thing from the beginning, not a criminal case. It was media figures talking about another media figure, with the one real question being whether he was going to get fired or not.

It's like the Imus coverage...mean spirited and designed to destroy someone's livelihood.

Kind of like Imus' comments.

Kind of like Imus' comments.

Mean spirited for sure. But that's his schtick...a Don Rickles type of thing.

Mean spirited for sure. But that's his schtick...a Don Rickles type of thing.

Well, one thing about Imus is you can choose NOT to listen to him. But the media made that impossible. Still, Imus was very apologetic and tearful when addressing the Rutgers women, one of which is suing him now. I think the guy has learned a lesson so I'll give him that. People might think I'm too PC and that words really don't hurt that much, but unless those words are directed at you (and have been for hundreds of years) it's hard to judge.

As far as your Don Rickles comparison goes, comedians are sort of on their own, unless they have a sitcom. Imus worked for a multi-billion dollar corporation with advertisers that had to be kept happy. He can be mean-spirited, sure, but if his financial backing does not like it, he needs to find a different media outlet, I think.

Look at what happened to Michael Richards. There is mean-spirited and then there is really mean-spirited.

Usually when one of these celebrities does something wrong they just go into rehab for a while and come out cured of whatever bad behavior they had.

I think Michael Vick could get some dog fighting rehab, and turn this into a positive. Maybe team up with Bob Barker on his get your pets spayed or neutered campaign.

I think Michael Vick could get some dog fighting rehab, and turn this into a positive. Maybe team up with Bob Barker on his get your pets spayed or neutered campaign.

Good idea. :pound: I've heard Imus might be coming back on the air somewhere so you might be in luck.

I just heard on the news that Vick will likely serve 12-18 months in prison. That kind of irks me because this preacher's wife who murdered her husband just got out after about 60 daysin a mental hospital.

Maybe Vick should have plead insanity.

Well...I hadn't heard about the Jena 6, Motown. I read an article about 5 black youths beating a white youth unconscious. Charges were originally attempted murder, which was found to be excessive so they were later dropped to lesser charges.

Your not in the minority. Most people only know that biased account of the events. Additional research would show a history of harassment, hate crime, institutionalized racism, premeditated assault, conflicting stories of how the incident transpired and infringment of freedom of speech to the members of the Jena 6. With no charges against anyone except for people of color. You'd also see a history of physical abuse to minorities in the city coupled with a smug attitude by most residents claiming that they don't have a problem. The issue is not about innoncence, but instead equal treatment by the law. I believe the term is Jim Crowe standard. Jena, Louisiana can easily be labled the backwards capital of the United States.

But rather than tell that story, the media would rather throw up a half-cooked story about kids who could really use the assistance and then focus all of there attention on a guy who has admitted guilt. Sad.


I don't have all that much empathy for Vick either but I think we agree. There are a lot more newsworthy incidents that could be covered instead of hammering Michael Vick for dog fighting. The coverage is way out of proportion to the incident and it follows a pattern of media persecution of celebrities. Jason Whitlock wrote a good article about this comparing it to the recent persecution of Don Imus...which was also way out of proportion to the incident.

We are in agreement for different reasons. I think the punishments of Vick and Imus were both appropriate. The chances of both of them getting a second chance is high. America has a forgiving heart for those individuals who can still pack stadiums and a short memory for those who air racially insensitive remarks that only seem to offend the minority. Imus will be back on the radio waves and perhaps wealthier as a result of the exposure. America is consistent in that as long as you have money, you have opportunity. One thing is for certain, I could care less about Vick and Imus's issues. At the end of the day, they are both filthy rich and enjoying a lifestyle most would dream of. They don't need our empathy. America please cut the cameras off these bozos.

Michael Vick Cops Felony Plea - August 24, 2007 (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0824071vick1.html)

Here are the actually docs.

Something that's kind of sad about this is that the gambling-related charges are what carry the jail time. I doubt that if this was just about killing dogs, he would be seeing any jail time. So the act that the media and its collective audience portray as the most disgusting (the cruelty to animals) is the one that results in a slap on the wrist. But if you even think about making some money without the good ol' boys in government getting a share of it, you're doing time.

At the end of the day, they are both filthy rich and enjoying a lifestyle most would dream of. They don't need our empathy. America please cut the cameras off these bozos.

Of course that's true MoTown...and I think you're right that they'll both get a second chance.

But I think the reason they get a second chance is because they deserve it. In the Imus case folks that have never listened to one second of his broadcasts...hear one out of context statement and judge him a racist. I have listened to many hours of Imus and know him to be a person that has done more for minorities in this country than a million folks like you or I. He made an ugly statement and everyone jumps on him.

Vick is being treated like the Son of Sam, BTK Killer and Adolph Hitler rolled into one. It's irrelevant whether you like him or not...or how much money he has. He is a guy with tremendous athletic talent. The only thing different at this point between these two guys is that Imus took his lumps, apologized and moved on.

Vick has lied to everyone including his own mother. Just come cleam Mr. Vick. Be honest and the public will hopefully give you the second chance you deserve.

I have listened to many hours of Imus and know him to be a person that has done more for minorities in this country than a million folks like you or I.

How do you know what I've done to make such a statement? I dedicate half of my week to community service and have been involved in inner city upliftment from the school system level all the way to prison. He's done more than I have because he has more money? Is that your point? How much damage has he done by jading folks with racially insensitive views? Does coming out of your pocket with donations give you the right to contribute to the biggest problem in the Black community, self hate? I don't think so.


Vick is being treated like the Son of Sam, BTK Killer and Adolph Hitler rolled into one. It's irrelevant whether you like him or not...or how much money he has. He is a guy with tremendous athletic talent. The only thing different at this point between these two guys is that Imus took his lumps, apologized and moved on.

Vick has lied to everyone including his own mother. Just come cleam Mr. Vick. Be honest and the public will hopefully give you the second chance you deserve.

Actually its irrelevant that he has "tremendous athletic talent".

There are many things different about the two, but the one that stands out for me the most is the fact that its not documented that Imus tortured any animals that are integrated domesticly into American society. Most who are opposed to Vic's punishment do so because they don't see animal cruelty as being that big of a deal. Personally, I'm an animal lover so I disagree with killing them for sport. If its not to eat, I simply don't get it. That's my perrogative though, and with that opinion I am completely in line to say that I think the penalty is appropriate. If I ever knew someone that electricuted or shot a dog in the head that is not being aggressive, I'd consider them a sick indidvidual. It wouldn't matter how far they could throw a football or that they might be the best rushing quarterback of all-time. It also wouldn't matter how much money he had in his account. In this country it does though, because the legal system works best for those who have money.

How do you know what I've done to make such a statement? I dedicate half of my week to community service and have been involved in inner city upliftment from the school system level all the way to prison. He's done more than I have because he has more money? Is that your point? How much damage has he done by jading folks with racially insensitive views? Does coming out of your pocket with donations give you the right to contribute to the biggest problem in the Black community, self hate? I don't think so.



I apologize on my assumptions about you. Obviously they were way off base.

What Imus has done has very little to do with money. You aren't in a position to criticize him if you don't even know that much about him.



Vick has done some sick and reprehensible things. Let's not start dancing on his grave because he made some mistakes.

I apologize on my assumptions about you. Obviously they were way off base.

What Imus has done has very little to do with money. You aren't in a position to criticize him if you don't even know that much about him.

That's followed by another assumption. I'm fully aware of the work Imus has done for charities, my point for mentioning money is that its the only slightly obvious thing you can infer not knowing what I do at all. I've started numerous charities myself without having a laundry list of racially insensitive remarks on my resume. The comment he made about the women's Rutger's team wasn't the first time he was out of line. Just the first time he got fired for it. None of his previous work gives him a free pass in my mind to act in a bigoted manner.


Vick has done some sick and reprehensible things. Let's not start dancing on his grave because he made some mistakes.

Who is dancing? Another assumption. Jeesh.

Its a sad day in my eyes when ever an African American rises from poverty and excels in society just to implode in front of the entire world. Its disheartning, but gets old real quick. It's like watching the twin towers crash over and over again. Enough, already. The media is eating it up and not focusing on the people that actually do need help. Michael Vick dug his own grave. When the average citzen makes a bone headed move he gets fired from work. Typically, you aren't asked back. The only difference is that Mike Vick can go home and think about it as a millionaire after he finishes paying for his mistakes.

I think eventually we will agree to disagree. But one more thing on Vick. I'm not saying he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions.

But he didn't implode by any means in my opinion. I thinks that's going way too far. Kobe Bryant imploded and bought his wife a ring and got the charges dismissed. Vick did something that American culture doesn't approve of and is against the law.

I saw a bullfight in Mexico once and the Matador got a huge ovation when he killed the defeseless bull. Here you put two dogs in a pit to fight each other and you go to jail and lose your career.

Ted Bundy got better press than Vick has been getting. I'll leave it at that and we can agree to disagree.

Ted Bundy got better press than Vick has been getting. I'll leave it at that and we can agree to disagree.

I don't think it matters much to the points you're making, but really, this is a bit much. Arguing that he's been too harshly criticized is one thing, but saying that he's been ostracized worse than a serial killer is something else. He's facing a year or two in jail, not the electric chair.

I think the punishments of Vick and Imus were both appropriate. The chances of both of them getting a second chance is high. America has a forgiving heart for those individuals who can still pack stadiums and a short memory for those who air racially insensitive remarks that only seem to offend the minority. Imus will be back on the radio waves and perhaps wealthier as a result of the exposure. America is consistent in that as long as you have money, you have opportunity. One thing is for certain, I could care less about Vick and Imus's issues. At the end of the day, they are both filthy rich and enjoying a lifestyle most would dream of. They don't need our empathy. America please cut the cameras off these bozos.

Great stuff my man.

I think the public outcry is that someone with the world on a platter, took pleasure in killing dogs outside the ring.

The federal charge is basically conspiracy. But I was listening to Andrew Napolitano on the radio this evening, and he said that his interpretation of the plea (he's a former Supreme Court Justice) is that Vick may have opened himself up to prosecution by the state for the dog fighting/torture specific incidents.

It was also Napolitano's opinion that Vick is being setup by this plea to testify against some much bigger gambling fish, possibly with serious mob connections.

Right or wrong, fair or not, Vick's days as Ron Mexico, football elite and hero to millions are at an end. He's entering a totally new phase in his life.

I think eventually we will agree to disagree. But one more thing on Vick. I'm not saying he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions.

But he didn't implode by any means in my opinion. I thinks that's going way too far. Kobe Bryant imploded and bought his wife a ring and got the charges dismissed. Vick did something that American culture doesn't approve of and is against the law.

I saw a bullfight in Mexico once and the Matador got a huge ovation when he killed the defeseless bull. Here you put two dogs in a pit to fight each other and you go to jail and lose your career.

Ted Bundy got better press than Vick has been getting. I'll leave it at that and we can agree to disagree.

He lied, killing his credibility.

He financed dog fighting post his multi-million dollar contract and in doing so gave the media an opening to crucify him relentlessy.

I call that an implosion.

Great stuff my man.

Thanks, my friend. :)

Today's statement by Vick was a few weeks late, but at least it appeared to be sincere and from the heart...especially since there was no scripted reading from notes or teleprompter. Just need to know what his thought process will be when he gets out of the hole.:yellowprison: In other words does he get it and will he get new friends that will be stable well rounded individuals....and not rat him out a at moments notice!!

The question is who is next as he cannot be the only public person to do this. Right now there is no proof that there was dog fighting at the DMX crib in Arizona, but they did find dead canine on the property.

Sheriff Raids DMX's Home, Seizes Dogs -- Newsday.com (http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/sns-ap-dmx-home-raided,0,7392112.story)

Uh oh. Maybe Vick ratted out DMX already.

He lied, killing his credibility.


... and dogs.

This Vick thing is getting damn interesting. Support breaking along racial lines.

I don't know. I'd personally like to see him get a light sentence and then go play for Cleveland.

On a serious note, does anyone here know why he would not go to a white collar prison since the crimes that he is admitting to were non violent and of a financial nature?

This Vick thing is getting damn interesting. Support breaking along racial lines.
I support him and I'm a white dude.....So what is this about the "Ricky Williams rule" that means he won't be able to play in Canada when he's released?

I think the CFL passed a rule that prevents any of their teams from signing anyone who's suspended from playing in the NFL.

That doesn't seem right. If a guy goes to prison and serves his sentence isn't that enough? Why deny him a chance to get a job in his profession on top of that? This is overkill to the max...way out of proportion to the crime.

Even though NFL has suspended Vick, Falcons still have some hope and have not cut or released him yet. If the CFL and NFL-Euro rejects Vicks after he gets out of the pokey:yellowprison: , is he eligible for the Arena Foolsball?

I think that Vick needs to stay on the roster for the team to be able to collect bonus monies that were defaulted due to his latest issues.......

Of course, he deserves another chance, if he does the time for his crime. I just don't think it will be with Atlanta. Blanks has got to be cheesed that Vick lied to him about his involvement.

One year in jail with one year suspension added means he'll be eligible around 30. That penalty would be fair.........IMHO..

I support him and I'm a white dude.

Well, nothing is ever absolute, bills. I'm a white dude and I didn't support Imus. :pound: But I certainly don't support Vick either.

Romonowski was on WDFN this morning and said Al Davis would be just the maverick who would bring Vick back into the NFL. In Oaktown, Vick would be of high moral character.

Even though NFL has suspended Vick, Falcons still have some hope and have not cut or released him yet. If the CFL and NFL-Euro rejects Vicks after he gets out of the pokey:yellowprison: , is he eligible for the Arena Foolsball?

NFL-Europe no longer exists. Unfortunately. I liked it when I was living in Germany and had some German friends who were WAY into it.

I'm a black dude and I don't support Vick.

I hope he has the opportunity to play again. I really don't think he's all that good. I just want to see which owner will take the chance.
Will AL Davis still be around................
Will WCF still be in charge...........aaaarrrrgggghhhh............
Does Jerry Jones like to collect these characters.............
Will Mark Cuban have an NFL franchise by then.............

Artest reaches out to Vick. If there was anytime for Vick to scramble, now's it. This reminds me of the James Taylor song, "You've Got a Friend":

ESPN - Artest happy with Vick apology, wants to reach out - NBA (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2995888)

I'm a black dude and I don't support Vick.

I don't know....you seem pretty wishy washy about the whole thing. Make up your mind...do you support him or not?

I would like to say that I support white and black dudes.

I would like to say that I support white and black dudes.

I would like to say that I support one white lady..........Actually, she makes very good money...........

and it just keeps getting worse for Vick:

Michael Vick tests positive for marijuana - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/falcons/2007-09-26-vick-marijuana_N.htm)

and it just keeps getting worse for Vick:

Michael Vick tests positive for marijuana - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/falcons/2007-09-26-vick-marijuana_N.htm)

Now he has to stay at home and can't go out and get any smoke. Its's obvious by the way his eyes looked , he was smoking MJ for a long time....

I know that this requires it's own thread in the smoke room (green room), but I still don't know why booze is legal and Marijuana isn't? Both can lead to impaired judgement depending upon how much you use at one sitting, but only athletes are subjected to suspensions etc., if it is in their blood stream and the rest of us are free to drink as much as we can and smoke as long as we don't make a fool of ourselves in public and wake up an make it to work on time....

In fact every Britney or Lindsey who drinks to much and gets their name in the media still gets to make another record or movie without any suspensions....

Yes I understand it can affect our own personal jobs if it becomes a habit, but how many of us know someone who was fired from their jobs for having a joint on the weekend? Maybe I am too far from this because I never drank or smoked (Ok I enhaled once or twice in college 30 years ago), but in the early 80's many of my friends partied with mary jane and all now are outstanding men and women....with no apparent affects from it. If doctors are prescribing it, it must not be all that bad.

Moderators, please start another thread if you feel this is another topic we can discuss..until...Heat vs Pistons Oct 8, 2007

I would tend to agree with you.... and I think its a topic worth discussing but more to the point of vick today.... What a fool, your on court orders to not do it, know your getting random drug tests.... you look really bad already in the puplic eyes, and you want to get back into the NFL. (isn't it also banned by them?.... a longer suspension?)

He sure isn't doing himself any favors.....

On the ESPN spec last night they had a question i truely hated.... something like do you want him on your team after its all over. As much as i think as soon as his penalties are up he should be allowed to return to his way of making a living... i don't want him on my team, and it has nothing to do with the off the field stuff. I have yet to see enough from him to show he's going to lead me to a title....

Here's hoping that he gets his head straight and can go on to live a full and productive life.