I just thought you guys might like a new thread. Your boys are playing better now and I would assume you would want to move on from the Appalachian State/Oregon stuff. But maybe I'm wrong...

I just thought you guys might like a new thread. Your boys are playing better now and I would assume you would want to move on from the Appalachian State/Oregon stuff. But maybe I'm wrong...


Felt bad that Apple State was ranked higher than MSU last week in the AP rankings. This week, UM is 2 spots behind MSU in the AP ranking. I figured the UM reputation would have put US AHEAD IN THE POLLS by now............Figure on next week and UM will crack the top 25............State just cracks against Wisconsin.......

Felt bad that Apple State was ranked higher than MSU last week in the AP rankings. This week, UM is 2 spots behind MSU in the AP ranking. I figured the UM reputation would have put US AHEAD IN THE POLLS by now............Figure on next week and UM will crack the top 25............State just cracks against Wisconsin.......

IMO I don't think either team should be ranked right now. U of M beat a crap Notre Dame squad and an overated Penn State. Big deal.

Sparty is 4-0 against...whom?

If Sparty wins next week, they deserve to be ranked at 5-0 and beating Wisconsin. I doubt they win that one, especially on the road.

U of M has Hart. That's it. I don't think any team that is 2-2 or 3-2 should be ranked in the top 25. They will /(SHOULD)beat up on Eastern and Northwestern. Big deal.

IMO I don't think either team should be ranked right now. U of M beat a crap Notre Dame squad and an overated Penn State. Big deal.

Sparty is 4-0 against...whom?

If Sparty wins next week, they deserve to be ranked at 5-0 and beating Wisconsin. I doubt they win that one, especially on the road.

U of M has Hart. That's it. I don't think any team that is 2-2 or 3-2 should be ranked in the top 25. They will /(SHOULD)beat up on Eastern and Northwestern. Big deal.

If both teams win next week.........MSU rated 17th.........UM 25th.

Michigan gets by on its reputation when it comes to the polls. State was only 17-21 in its last 38 with an excellent QB but a mediocre team.
Pollsters waiting to see if STATE will finish strong this season........Michigan needs to gain a record of 7-2 before I'm happy again...........

We'll see what happens. Michigan won a couple after losing a couple. They have to win a few more before they should be ranked anywhere at all.

I just thought you guys might like a new thread. Your boys are playing better now and I would assume you would want to move on from the Appalachian State/Oregon stuff. But maybe I'm wrong...


Funny, I had the same thought yesterday. Then I thought about restarting my UM/OSU thread again but I told myself naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Too early for that.

I'm OK with the new thread, although I think all UM fans should be reminded of that opening-game debacle. :pound:IMO, UM should not be ranked the rest of the season, unless they beat Ohio State. They can't beat a spread offense. They can only win smash-mouth games. Rumor has it that Lloyd has never watched game film of any non-Big 10 teams.

Rumor has it that they were going to schedule Wofford for 2008 or 2009, but since Wofford cooled off Apple State this weekend, the AD is having second thoughts about it:). Is Slippery Rock available?

Rumor has it that they were going to schedule Wofford for 2008 or 2009, but since Wofford cooled off Apple State this weekend, the AD is having second thoughts about it:). Is Slippery Rock available?
Hey, Harrison High has a good team. Maybe UofM should add them to the schedule for the next season.

Time to dust off the Wolverines thread. With 6 wins in a row, the Michigan team has made some great strides. A nice victory tonight with Mike Hart not playing and Chad Henne obviously injured as well. They look ready to at least challenge the remaining schedule, which looms very tough. Tied for the Big Ten lead is a very enviable position. Go Blue........

Time to dust off the Wolverines thread. With 6 wins in a row, the Michigan team has made some great strides. A nice victory tonight with Mike Hart not playing and Chad Henne obviously injured as well. They look ready to at least challenge the remaining schedule, which looms very tough. Tied for the Big Ten lead is a very enviable position. Go Blue........

Who would have thought they would become bowl eligible this soon or even this season after the two opening losses. To win without Hart today on foreign soil is eve more remarkable. The defense has really matured over the season... The way the top 20 teams have been falling lately it could be # 1 OSU vs #5 Michigan when they meet next month...

Who would have thought they would become bowl eligible this soon or even this season after the two opening losses. To win without Hart today on foreign soil is eve more remarkable. The defense has really matured over the season... The way the top 20 teams have been falling lately it could be # 1 OSU vs #5 Michigan when they meet next month...


We better keep this between ourselves. There are some Spartan fans here who will gag at the thought.

We better keep this between ourselves. There are some Spartan fans here who will gag at the thought.Don't start counting your chickens...UM has to pass through East Lansing first. :stirthepot:

Don't start counting your chickens...UM has to pass through East Lansing first. :stirthepot:


I never feel the MSU is a gimmie game for UM. We lose too many of these contests when we're favored. Your team is on the rebound this season and it will be a good game. It would be nice though to be ranked high when we meet OSU...........

Michigan has a very tough November (and they shouldn't look past Minny either) at MSU, at Wisconsin and home vs. Ohio State, who Lloyd can't seem to beat.

They've won six in a row and I'm not really all that surprised. What surprises me is how poorly they began the season -- how unprepared they were. If I were the coach, I'd be kicking myself for not being 8-0 or at least 7-1.

They have four games left and I think they lose two of 'em. They finish 8-4 and Lloyd exits stage right. :) If they finish 10-2, Lloyd can say he turned the team around after the App. State fiasco, and he might possibly stay. Frankly, I don't think Lloyd can ever live down that App. State losss. But I respect Lloyd for not caring what others think. However, his days should be numbered IMO. Team needs a modern-day offense and more mobility at the QB position.

I did like the Arrington to Manningham TD play in yesterday's game and wonder why the offense doesn't do more misdirection like that. UM's offense is normally as predictable as a 10-piece jigsaw puzzle.

I never feel the MSU is a gimmie game for UM. We lose too many of these contests when we're favored. Your team is on the rebound this season and it will be a good game. It would be nice though to be ranked high when we meet OSU...........

Seems like we beat U of M once a decade. I think we have a decent shot this time around.

Sorry, Nemo. But I HATE U of M. I hate the arrogance and sense of entitlement associated with it.

I can't stand some of the people I've met from there, but in all honesty I've met more really fantastic people from there than bad ones. Some are close friends. I certainly like all of the U of M fans on this forum.

But I hate that school. And...I love hating it.

I hope you guys lose all of your remaining games by 30 points.

Nuff said.:stirthepot:

Seems like we beat U of M once a decade. I think we have a decent shot this time around.

Sorry, Nemo. But I HATE U of M. I hate the arrogance and sense of entitlement associated with it.

I can't stand some of the people I've met from there, but in all honesty I've met more really fantastic people from there than bad ones. Some are close friends. I certainly like all of the U of M fans on this forum.

But I hate that school. And...I love hating it.

I hope you guys lose all of your remaining games by 30 points.

Nuff said.:stirthepot:

Love your honesty......I've run into the "entitlement" fans at UM home games as well and they annoy me. I hope the Spartans win the rest of their games, except for when they play UM..........

I respect UM, but how are they ranked and Boise State is not? I'm no fan of Boise State, but c'mon.

BYU has the same record as Michigan, and Michigan has had a pretty Charmin-soft schedule. I know the answer has something to do with UM's reputation, but I am still quite ticked off about it.

I respect UM, but how are they ranked and Boise State is not? I'm no fan of Boise State, but c'mon.

BYU has the same record as Michigan, and Michigan has had a pretty Charmin-soft schedule. I know the answer has something to do with UM's reputation, but I am still quite ticked off about it.

I hear you. The people out here think it's a joke too. The big schools are too afraid to play them for obvious reasons.

I'm no fan of BSU either, but I like to see them do well since my friends out here like them. They are a pretty good team. I'm not sure how they would do week in and week out in a big time conference though. It's hard to say since no big school will come out here to play them.

Michigan has had a pretty Charmin-soft schedule.

Not true. They opened up against Appalachian State, who is pretty tough I hear. :pound:

I respect UM, but how are they ranked and Boise State is not? I'm no fan of Boise State, but c'mon.

BYU has the same record as Michigan, and Michigan has had a pretty Charmin-soft schedule. I know the answer has something to do with UM's reputation, but I am still quite ticked off about it.


Charmin like schedule? If you recall Michigan was thumped by Oregon who is currently 5th in the BCS standings and when the Wolverines beat Penn State (6-2) and Purdue (6-2) both were ranked in the top 25 and both the Illini and Northwestern (both 5-3) were just outside the top 25 when the wolverines beat them. So although they came out of the blocks stumbling, they seem to have turned the ship around somewhat...With the Spatans and on the Buckeye still looming they may stumble in one or both of those games. However, at one point folks were predicting a just a break even season, no bowl appearance and new coaching next season.

Reputation and tradition is part of the issue though. In a poll taken last Wednesday, no one believed that then second ranked S. Florida would play in the BCS championship game and Hawaii, which is undefeated at 7-0 is only ranked 17th in the BCS.

Charmin like schedule? If you recall Michigan was thumped by Oregon who is currently 5th in the BCS standings and when the Wolverines beat Penn State (6-2) and Purdue (6-2) both were ranked in the top 25 and both the Illini and Northwestern (both 5-3) were just outside the top 25 when the wolverines beat them. So although they came out of the blocks stumbling, they seem to have turned the ship around somewhat...With the Spatans and on the Buckeye still looming they may stumble in one or both of those games. However, at one point folks were predicting a just a break even season, no bowl appearance and new coaching next season.

Reputation and tradition is part of the issue though. In a poll taken last Wednesday, no one believed that then second ranked S. Florida would play in the BCS championship game and Hawaii, which is undefeated at 7-0 is only ranked 17th in the BCS.
Fair enough. My beef with the whole thing is that the whole structure of the BCS is more like the communist stock market. In any stock market, it is more about expectation (and/or reputation) than performance, yet in the BCS, the big schools protect themselves by not competing honestly with everyone on a level "playing field" (no pun intended). Protectionist-like practices that have been legitimized by years of big money.

I hear you. The people out here think it's a joke too. The big schools are too afraid to play them for obvious reasons.

I'm no fan of BSU either, but I like to see them do well since my friends out here like them. They are a pretty good team. I'm not sure how they would do week in and week out in a big time conference though. It's hard to say since no big school will come out here to play them.

Exactamundo!!!

I thought that scheduling Oregon and ND was pretty daring. ND turned out to be horrible, but that wasn't the case in previous years.

The easy part of the schedule is that they have had so many home games to start out with.

Still, some quality wins.

This whole ranking system is not worth the paper its printed on. BCS is calculated using some complex formula. But the strength of the schedule is still based on rankings.

Pretty much every ranking system has flaws.

The worst is Olympic figure skating.

Even David Letterman's top 10 lists can be debated.

Pretty much every ranking system has flaws.

The worst is Olympic figure skating.

Even David Letterman's top 10 lists can be debated.

I get so angry when the Figure Skating judges are biased! The Wolverines have a chance to make this a great season. The offense is really coming around...the defense is suspect.

Pretty much every ranking system has flaws.

The worst is Olympic figure skating.

Even David Letterman's top 10 lists can be debated.

Yeah, I usually find Letterman's number ones to be pretty anti-climactic. :MusicBigGrin:

The question now remains. Where will Michigan be ranked if they run the table? Top ten..........maybe top 5.......if enough top teams lose.

The question now remains. Where will Michigan be ranked if they run the table? Top ten..........maybe top 5.......if enough top teams lose.

Well if they run the table and it includes knocking off the Buckeyes if they are still # 1, then definitely top 10, but I am not sure about top 5.... There should still be at least 5 one lost teams in the mix to keep Michigan at bay..

Michigan wins again and is now 7-2. I like the 7 wins in a row. Great game as we dominated the offensive stats. Something like 560 yards to 230 yards of offense. Glad to see we could win convincingly without Hart nad Henne. Do we play anybody good next weekend? Wait, we play MSU. I wonder if their annual collapse will continue. :hanged2:

Do we play anybody good next weekend? Wait, we play MSU. I wonder if their annual collapse will continue. :hanged2:

It can't continue. It's complete. You've got this one. No sweat. Enjoy.

MSU will try to keep it close so they can feel real good about themselves. "Hey, with a couple big plays and twenty more points we could be an 8-0 team...blah blah blah."

U of M is playing really well, but they are beating crappy teams. They won't play a good team until their bowl game...which typically exposes them as just another pretender.

It can't continue. It's complete. You've got this one. No sweat. Enjoy.

MSU will try to keep it close so they can feel real good about themselves. "Hey, with a couple big plays and twenty more points we could be an 8-0 team...blah blah blah."

U of M is playing really well, but they are beating crappy teams. They won't play a good team until their bowl game...which typically exposes them as just another pretender.

I really don't see us beating OSU. That's sad since they've had our number over the last half-dozen years. With 3 losses (or more) I think this bowl season, UM will see a beatable team. Being in BCS bowls the last 4-5 seasons has been tough since the opponents are quality. We really are a pretender right now when it comes to a national championship. I figure if we win out and beat OSU, there are still 6-8 teams better than us. Right now, being ranked 19th is about right.
I just wish that MSU could end their streak of collapses.

Nice article about Mike Hart in the New York Times......:)
This is the type of person who SHOULD win the Heisman.........:)


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/03/sports/ncaafootball/03hart.html?ref=sports

Talking about a comeback??? The Spartans played well enough to win this one, but a gutsy performance by Henne, some nice sideline play callin by the coaches and nice game winning catch/leap by Manningham keep the Michigan faithful happy for more week and leaviing suffering Spartan fans going home thinking...we'll get you come hoops time:hoops:

Talking about a comeback??? The Spartans played well enough to win this one, but a gutsy performance by Henne, some nice sideline play callin by the coaches and nice game winning catch/leap by Manningham keep the Michigan faithful happy for more week and leaviing suffering Spartan fans going home thinking...we'll get you come hoops time:hoops:


Does UM have a basketball team ??? :pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:

Talking about a comeback??? The Spartans played well enough to win this one, but a gutsy performance by Henne, some nice sideline play callin by the coaches and nice game winning catch/leap by Manningham keep the Michigan faithful happy for more week and leaviing suffering Spartan fans going home thinking...we'll get you come hoops time:hoops:

its only preseason... so how is msu suppose to look this year? grandvalley i see beat them?

Funny what a difference a week makes.

OK, MSU still sucks...but welcome to our world!

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They have four games left and I think they lose two of 'em.

Loss No. 2 should be next week. At least they won't be overconfident vs. Ohio State. :)

Hopefully, a loss at home against Ohio State will seal Lloyd's fate. UM needs to move in another direction. It's painfully obvious, even to non-UM fans.

I posted this "rumor" over on detnews, but thought it was funny enough to re-post over here:

The UM athletic department is in negotiations right now to have the Wolverines play in a new bowl game called the Retribution Bowl (in case they don't beat the Buckeyes next week). The game would pit the Maize and Blue in a rematch with Appalachian State. There has been an impasse in the negotiations, however, as bowl officials want to give Michigan a 7-point "head start" in the game. This would give the folks in Boone, NC, a more exciting game, bowl officials reason. UM AD Bill "Quick Trigger" Martin thinks the 7-point advantage is an insult and is pushing for 14 points. There will be no payout, and the game will only be televised locally in Boone, NC. Sponsors include Glenda's Lost Luggage Store ("If you lost it, we're selling it") and Henchmen's Auto Repair ("When you ask how much the bill is, we ask you how much you got - and then pull out a gun").

Stay tuned for further updates.

ggazoo...I think MSU fans are obsessed with Michigan.

ggazoo...I think MSU fans are obsessed with Michigan.

It's funny how U of M fans always complain about two things when they lose

1. MSU hates us.

2. Fire Lloyd Carr.

It's always something.

Wonder if you read all the crap U of M players and fans were talking last week.

Why is it that when U of M wins it's because of Manningham, Henne, and Hart...but when they lose it is all Lloyd's fault?

Methinks U of M is obsessed too..with making excuses.

It's funny how U of M fans always complain about two things when they lose

1. MSU hates us.

2. Fire Lloyd Carr.

It's always something.

Wonder if you read all the crap U of M players and fans were talking last week.

Why is it that when U of M wins it's because of Manningham, Henne, and Hart...but when they lose it is all Lloyd's fault?

Methinks U of M is obsessed too..with making excuses.
I think it all comes from insecurity. Michigan no longer ranks as one of the top teams in the country. Also, their luck finally ran out. When you miss you quarterback and your running back - it is really tough to win. I wonder how many games would Lions win without Kitna and Jones?

ggazoo...I think MSU fans are obsessed with Michigan.

I'm in the enviable position of rooting for both and criticizing both (not having attended either school). When they play one another, I hope for a close contest so I liked this season's game a lot.

I think they're both great schools academically. Obviously, UM gets higher ratings in those U.S. News and World Report writeups. But MSU is no slouch. When Ohio State people discover I'm from Michigan, the razzing always starts. I tell them I'm glad UM isn't a "football factory" and that they actually graduate their athletes.

But UM's athletic philosophy simpy befuddles me. Sure, with Lloyd, UM will always win 7-9 games per season playing nobodys in the nonconference (save the Pac 10 teams) and getting the Minnesotas, Indianas and Northwesterns of the Big 10. I've always wondered if they wanted to take "that next step." I was at the Rose Bowl when they won the '97 title and I figured, "OK, this is the start of something big." Well, it wasn't.

UM will always remain competitive academically. They have great professors there. I think more people would like to see that competitiveness across the board. And although they are competitive in many sports, football seems to be the dominant force in college athletics these days. Frankly, I'm fairly comfortable with them caring the most about academics. These are student-athletes, after all. Just say it out loud then. Just say, "We're happy with Lloyd Carr because our goal is to win the Big 10, not national titles. He graduates his players. He makes them into good citizens. That's what we want ultimately. Academics are our focus, not athletics."

But the alums might disagree.

There's a lot of truth to that. I guess you either pay attention to the academics or to the athletics. And people wonder why Stanford's football team stinks.

One thing for 2007, not just in the big 10, but anybody can play with anyteam this year and possibly grab a W. At one time S florida was ranked 2nd, but lost three in a row before beatin up on Syracuse today. Nebraska had lost 5 in row including giving up 76 points last week to Kansas and then turns it around today and scored 73 pts in beating Kansas State. :confused:

As far as the Big 10 goes, both the Wolverines and Buckeyes were probably looking ahead to next weeks game and I think not only did Henne and Hart sit it out, but the some of the defensive players stayed at home in AA to gear up for next week:). Like someone said, michigan's first goal is to beat OSU, second to win Big 10 title, 3rd to get to Rose Bowl, 4th to beat MSU and 5th is to win the national title. Other teams such as Texas, OSU, USC, Florida etc, first goal is to win national title

The Buckeyes are down 7 at halftime...If they go on to lose this game they will still try to beat the Wolves, but it will be a let down because they will not be in a position to win that mythical b-s championship:sssh:

Well now next week is the the Battle for the Big 10 title and Rose Bowl, now that the Buckeyes will probably drop out of the BCS Championship game.

One thing that the Illini did with their shot gun QB vs the Buckeyes that Michigan's Mallet didn't do....run up the middle. Wonder if the Wolverines will exploit that opening if is it there or just take the sack:). Hopefully Carr and Co was watching that aspect of how to beat OSU.

Can't see OSU losing two in a row, but we will see if the Wolverines have the guts and agression to win this and Carr doesn't come out with the conservative soft play..

Can't see OSU losing two in a row, but we will see if the Wolverines have the guts and agression to win this and Carr doesn't come out with the conservative soft play..

Michigan will win. It's in Ann Arbor and they are due to beat the Buckeyes.
But have no fear...I'll be rooting for Michigan...to lose.:MusicBigGrin:

Well now next week is the the Battle for the Big 10 title and Rose Bowl, now that the Buckeyes will probably drop out of the BCS Championship game.

One thing that the Illini did with their shot gun QB vs the Buckeyes that Michigan's Mallet didn't do....run up the middle. Wonder if the Wolverines will exploit that opening if is it there or just take the sack:). Hopefully Carr and Co was watching that aspect of how to beat OSU.

Can't see OSU losing two in a row, but we will see if the Wolverines have the guts and agression to win this and Carr doesn't come out with the conservative soft play..

I'm not so sure OSU is outta the BCS title run. They lost to a good team. LSU and KU both have tough games coming up so OSU could definitely move back up if they trounce UM. Seems like a lot of things could happen. Will be interested to see the next BCS standings.

Pat Forde's take on UM:

ESPN - Forde: Michigan unmasked - Columnist (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3104000&sportCat=ncf)

Buckeyes should have won a gimmee at home. UM got beat by a very good team.

Historical note:Not since Nov. 14, 1959, had Michigan and Ohio State both lost the week before their annual year-end grudge match, which once again this season will decide the champion.NCAA Football - Illinois Fighting Illini/Ohio State Buckeyes Recap Saturday November 10, 2007 - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200711100033&prov=ap)

Claws, fangs & nuts out...next weekend should be a great game.

It sucks that a late season loss impacts BCS standings for title contention more than an early season loss. There really should be a playoff...at least between the top four teams.

It sucks that a late season loss impacts BCS standings for title contention more than an early season loss. There really should be a playoff...at least between the top four teams.

I agree. It shouldn't. That's why the polls are ridiculous. Settle it on the field.

That game today had no importance whatsoever.

Pathetic final drive by Mallet. I'm glad Carr decided to go for it on 4th and 20 from his own 5 yard line just on principal. Screw the final score, you gotta go for the win.

I read in the paper today that the decision to sit Henne and Hart had nothing at all to do with trying to get them healthy for next weeks game. Yeah, I believe that.

The impressive thing about the Wolverines this year is how they bounced back from tremendous adversity and now are in a position to have an all important final game against the Buckeyes.

Wonder if some OSU guy decided to throw this out now to distract the Wolverines or was it someone at Michigan who did it to inspire a win one for the gipper scenario??

As season's end nears, speculation on Carr's future grows - Wolverines Extra - The Ann Arbor News - MLive.com (http://blog.mlive.com/wolverines/2007/11/as_seasons_end_nears_speculati.html)


Michigan football coach has made a decision, he's not letting on.
Asked during Monday's press conference whether he wants to coach next year, Carr said simply, "The only thing on my mind is this game."

I think he meant, "it depends on the outcome of this game."

You know, I've got nothing against Carr. My main interest would be to see what the team would look like with a different coach. With Carr we have same ol' stuff.

You know, I've got nothing against Carr. My main interest would be to see what the team would look like with a different coach. With Carr we have same ol' stuff.


No imagination for Carr and co...same type of plays, same type of players...

Carr has been to a BCS bowl game the last 4 seasons. That's not bad.
After beating OSU Saturday, he'll be in #5..............

Carr has been to a BCS bowl game the last 4 seasons. That's not bad.
After beating OSU Saturday, he'll be in #5..............

When is the last time he won one though? He is 1-5 in last six bowls I think. If you want to recruit the top athletes, I mean the really skilled ones, you got to be impressive on New years day too and here lately it has been close but no cigar:yellowprison:

He's the Flip Saunders of the Big Ten.

After beating OSU Saturday, he'll be in #5..............

Predictions anyone?

Ohio State 23
UM 16

OSU 28
UM 17

44 to 13

U of M 24

OSU 20

Damnit!

A new Avatar to bring luck to the Wolverines. They win 44-13 :)

The morning before the MSU-UM game I had a feeling the score was gonna be 28-24...except I had MSU winning. Based on that experience, I'll predict:

UM 31
OSU 24

:sssh:

We could see a Michigan-Oregon rematch in the rose bowl.

We could see a Michigan-Oregon rematch in the rose bowl.
Unless Dixon's knee injury is really severe, then he will probably recover by then and lead the Ducks over the Wolverines again....

We could see a Michigan-Oregon rematch in the rose bowl.It would be interesting to see as a gage of how much UM has changed since that loss, especially if both teams are healthy by then.

It was obviously that Henne was ineffective in the first half. I would have pulled him early. The guys shoulder has not healed and he could not throw it more than 15 yards without grimacing.

Wonder why they didn't just try to run up the middle with Hart behind a blocker or just a draw play with the QB running up the middle? The Illini expoited it last week?? The Buckeyes defensive line was much more stronger than the Jake Long led Wolverine O line.

Mallet in right before the end of the 3rd qtr...with the OSU up 14-3. If the Michigan D can hold on the next 2 possessions there is till time to get two TDs and pull this one out...buti don't have any faith that this will happen....

Hart looks a little gimpy too.

edit: Henne back in and almost connected on a long ball.

U of M 24

OSU 20

Damnit!

Well, I was wrong! :MusicBigGrin:
I guess I had too much faith in OSU's little brother. :pound:

At least when MSU loses in overtime later today (as usual) I can at least take some solace in the fact that "big bro" lost too. :MusicBigGrin: Look at it this way...maybe now you'll get a lesser bowl and will lose much closer than if you got in the Rose bowl...

OSU played good defense. I assume that Lloyd Carr retires. The players should all heal for the New Year's Day bowl game. Henne and Hart hopefully look good in the Outback or Capital One Bowl. Hopefully MSU gets a bowl game.....probably the Motor City Bowl in Detroit. They'll get a team that they can have a chance against.

Even given their crappy conference record, State might get a better offer if they win today. Lookin good so far against PSU.

Henne and Hart have been injured nearly the whole season and Carr squeezed 8 victories out of them. Today the OSU defense was just to tough and to fast for the Wolverines. Henne couldn't connect with anybody because of the sholder injury. Hart was hobbed too from the offset and the O line wasn't up to the task. Not sure what was up with manny dropping at least three passes though??


Other than letting the Buckeye running back get lose for that long TD run, the defense did their job and held the OSU in the check. (last years score was 41-38, this year, Wolverines cannot even get 100 total yards, let alone the 3 points.)

Carr indicated that he would discuss his future later. (Still one more bowl to go in about six weeks) :) If he leaves, the next coach needs to be hired by Jan 5th for recruiting purposes and he needs to recruit speed at the skilled positions from California, Texas and Florida.

The thing is, speed would have been a total waste on offense today.

It would have been an interesting game if it wasn't for that break out run by OSU. Missed tackles, dropped passes, and generally crapiness for UM.

Great D by the Buckeyes however.

Fairly good season for the Wolverines considering the injuries. I thought we might score more than three points though.

Press Conference scheduled for 10:00 am.....On Monday.... at UM.
Lloyd Carr says good bye.........

Press Conference scheduled for 10:00 am.....On Monday.... at UM.
Lloyd Carr says good bye.........

Let's hope so.

Let's hope so.

Yeah, he's going to leave, I think.

A very sad day for fans...of MSU :pound:

Lloyd's winning percentage was 75% during his tenure. The program has a 75% winning percentage over the last 125 years.........That's the highest winning percent of all time for !A college football. I would have liked to have won more against Tressel, but we faired ok during Carr's tenure against Wisconsin, MSU, and Penn State. He'll leave since his existence is not totally about football. He's still young enough to enjoy the rest of his life. I for one thought he was a good coach over his tenure. Since 1968, when Bo Coached UM, the series is 20 games to 17 in favor of UM.......with two ties. An awesome rivalry.

He won more than he lost against OSU. Not easy to do.

Lloyd's winning percentage was 75% during his tenure. The program has a 75% winning percentage over the last 125 years.........That's the highest winning percent of all time for !A college football.

His teams have been lousy in the big games, however.

Sad day for OSU fans today. No more Lloyd to kick around.

Lloyd was a good coach, never a great one. But he did what UM asked him to do: win with integrity. I do think there is something to be said for that.

He won more than he lost against OSU. Not easy to do.

He was 6-7 against Ohio State, I believe. 5-1 pre Tressel, 1-6 vs. Tressel.

He was 6-7 against Ohio State, I believe. 5-1 pre Tressel, 1-6 vs. Tressel.

I told you it was hard to do.

Here are his records against all opponents. I don't think this list includes W's and L's for this current season. He really beat up on Indiana and Penn State.

MGoBlue: Carr vs. Collegiate Opponents (http://mgoblue.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=15328)

Here's why Lloyd kept his job..........

7-1 Wisconsin.......... you go boy
6-2 Purdue
8-2 Penn State.......... good job
6-7 OSU
7-3 Northwestern
9-1 Minnesota .........ouch ........
9-3 MSU .............we love ya.......
6-2 Iowa
7-1 Illinois ............nice work....
10-0 Indiana .............................yikes !!!!!!!!!

overall record in the Big Ten of 75-22 or 77% wins

These are what a coach at UM is measured against.
He's a winner in my book..........thank-you Lloyd.
Live long and prosper.........:)

Actually the record against MSU should be 10-2 if adjusted for the clock "malfunction" game.

Another Michigan man?


ESPN - Michigan gets permission to talk to LSU's Miles - College Football (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3132538)

I'm totally spooked by his clock management and general end-game strategy against Arkansas. I swear I've seen 10 year olds on X-Box with more natural instincts for what to do with timeouts.

His recruiting skills and motivational ability seem to be through the roof though.

I'm totally spooked by his clock management and general end-game strategy against Arkansas. I swear I've seen 10 year olds on X-Box with more natural instincts for what to do with timeouts.

His recruiting skills and motivational ability seem to be through the roof though.

Those fast players are what Michigan needs though and not those slowfooted slugs so if he can recruit speed at the skilled positions, then it may over come some of those minor coaching issues that he has..... is there anybody else on the short or long list that they are looking at?

I heard that they have opened up discussions with Wayne Fonte's agent.

I heard that they have opened up discussions with Wayne Fonte's agent.


TaShawn, you've discovered my identity. I've posted my picture as my avatar. I cannot be a coach anymore as I have serious back pain. My mobility has been limited these days. Even as the head coach of the Detroit Lions, I used to travel extensively at practice in a golf cart. I wanted to use it during games but WCF said no........Notice in my picture I'm calling my favorite play. I wish it to be a secret. (handoff to Barry)

My gut tells me that Les Miles would be a really good hire. I hope he sends DeBord packing. I imagine he will. I think he should retain Ron English in some capacity although I doubt English would want a lesser role.

ESPN - Sources: Michigan to make Miles announcement next week - College Football (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3136391)

My gut tells me that Les Miles would be a really good hire.

LOL. I don't think it's a secret that Les Miles would be a really good hire ANYWHERE.

Problem is...if the Wolverines suck again anyhow...who will they blame???:pound:

LOL. I don't think it's a secret that Les Miles would be a really good hire ANYWHERE.

Problem is...if the Wolverines suck again anyhow...who will they blame???:pound:

Probably the coach. Or Lloyd from the AD's office; or Bo from the grave. Plenty of blame to go around. I'd rather see UM lose and NOT play conservative then win and sit on the ball after getting a lead. The recruiting framework is already in place for the Wolverines. They need a guy who can actually do something with the recruits. Lloyd was clueless about many things on the field although I think he did a good job off it as far as character development, teaching morals, etc.

The latest report (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3136536) is that Miles will stay at LSU, although I wouldn't believe much of anything until he makes an announcement himself.

The latest report (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3136536) is that Miles will stay at LSU, although I wouldn't believe much of anything until he makes an announcement himself.

Wow, ESPN has given conflicting reports on their own site. Herbstreit was the source on Miles coming to UM. Hopefully, he is wrong and gets fired over it. I can't stand that OSU slappy.

The latest report (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3136536) is that Miles will stay at LSU, although I wouldn't believe much of anything until he makes an announcement himself.Just saw the Miles PC...I think it's a snow job by Miles to keep his team motivated thru whatever BCS game they get. He might be following in the footsteps of his predecessor Saban in lying to the media regarding his intentions.

I'd bet UM hires Miles by the end of January.

This isn't really like Saban. The LSU AD is saying that Miles told the team he's staying, but Miles still hasn't said anything to the media that's anywhere close to as definitive as what Saban was publically proclaiming.

Miles said in the CBS pregame that he will be LSU's coach next season. He'll look pretty bad now if he recants on that.

Did he? I saw him saying at a press conference that "I will be the coach at LSU," but he didn't say "next season" or any other time span. It seemed like he left a lot of wiggle room. Did he make a different statement at some point today?

Did he? I saw him saying at a press conference that "I will be the coach at LSU," but he didn't say "next season" or any other time span. It seemed like he left a lot of wiggle room. Did he make a different statement at some point today?

He definitely said "next season". Right before the game started with the female reporter. Not the presser.

Ah, OK. I hadn't seen that remark. That would definitely put him into Saban territory if he ends up going back on it.

Many consider the Bowl Season the "next season" and he'll play his bowl game literally "Next Year"...........:)

The Mens BB team lost to Harvard??? When did they get a team??:noidea:

Harvard may not have a team, but they have a coach - Tommy Amaker!!

:pound::pound:

Harvard may not have a team, but they have a coach - Tommy Amaker!!

:pound::pound:


Oops, payback is a dog:laugh::laugh:

http://www.mlive.com/images/wolverines/big-state-071207-rutgers-coach-greg-schiano.jpg

http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/2007/12/medium_gregs.JPG


Rutgers
"The Bells Must Ring"

March, men of Rutgers,
Down the field today,
March to another score,
Foward to the fray,
Fight! men of Rutgers
As in days gone by,
Fight! for the Scarlet flag
Over the rest must fly.
Chorus:
Keep Rutgers colors to the fore,
For they must win so fight, fight, fight!
And we'll advance some more to score,
The Rutgers flag flies high tonight, alright, alright.
We'll fling the Scarlet banner out,
And Rutgers men will fight, fight, fight!
The bells of Queens each victr'y shout,
The bells of Queens must ring tonight.
R! U! RAH! RAH! R! U! RAH! RAH! RAH!
HOORAH! HOORAH! RUTGERS! RAH! RAH!
FIGHT! TEAM! UP! STREAM!
UP! STREAM! RED! TEAM! RAH! RAH! RUTGERS! RAH!


I guess for this guy Led Zepelin lives as in "The Song Remains The Same"

:football::football::football:

I'm starting to think that the Wolvies are gonna have a hard time filling this slot with a big name. Just a feeling I have. Football program has lost a lot of its Lluster under Lloyd. I wonder if they worry Lloyd will still be pulling some strings in the background the way Shembechler used to. Hmmmmm.


ESPN - After talking to Michigan, Schiano sticking as Rutgers coach - College Football (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3145205)

Guess they wouldn't give him free parking. And I now from experience how bad the meter police are there.

In the words of Bo Schembechler, "we need a Michigan man to coach this team" In basket ball, TV commentators come out of the booth to coach...I wonder if Dan Dierdorf actally learned anything about coaching when he was in the booth??

Speaking of Michigan coaching, there is an execellent 1 hour documentary called Michigan vs Ohio State: The Rivalry. showing on HBO. The next showing is Monday 12/10 at 9 AM EST, 6 PST on HBO2 (502 on DirectTV) and then Noon EST and 9 AM PST on HBO channel 505. Those of you who know how to schedule their DVR'S in advance should look into doing this so you can watch at your leisure.

The documentary includes many grads from both M and the OSU ragging on each other as well as scores and highlights from many of the games dating back to 1900 and some coaching anecdotes from Fritz to Bo and Woody to bruce, to Cooper and to Tressell. One thing for sure Michigan staduim may have squeezed in 110,000 people the last 15 or so years, but football in the state of Ohio seems bigger and they take it more seriously than I think the blue fans do..

of course someboby posted a 44 second promo on You tube
YouTube - Michigan vs. Ohio State: The Rivalry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8DId1pRW8k)

One thing for sure Michigan staduim may have squeezed in 110,000 people the last 15 or so years, but football in the state of Ohio seems bigger and they take it more seriously than I think the blue fans do..

I guess Michigan will have to settle for being the better academic school year after year and Buck fans will have to continue with their struggle to spell "OSU" on the first try.

I saw that HBO program, Dre, and the jokes at the end were pretty good.

How do you get an OSU grad off your porch? Pay for the pizza! I like this joke: A UM grad and an OSU grad are using the urinals at the Horseshoe. The UM guy finishes up and begins to head for the exit. The OSU guy notices and says loudly, "At OSU, we're taught to wash our hands after using a public bathroom." The UM guy retorts: "At Michigan, we avoid pissing on our hands."

I guess Michigan will have to settle for being the better academic school year after year and Buck fans will have to continue with their struggle to spell "OSU" on the first try.

I saw that HBO program, Dre, and the jokes at the end were pretty good.

How do you get an OSU grad off your porch? Pay for the pizza! I like this joke: A UM grad and an OSU grad are using the urinals at the Horseshoe. The UM guy finishes up and begins to head for the exit. The OSU guy notices and says loudly, "At OSU, we're taught to wash our hands after using a public bathroom." The UM guy retorts: "At Michigan, we avoid pissing on our hands."
Those were some dandies:pound:

I feel that the search for a new head coach is being mishandled. The AD at Michigan is probably only a littlle more sharp than a bag of feathers. My sources tell me that the President of the university is getting many complaints from former players about the handling of the hiring of a new coach. The AD seems disorganized with his process even though he knew Lloyd was leaving some time ago. Publicly losing out on two candidates and having the press chuckle at your expense is intolerable for those people.

Am I the only one that thinks we delt with the Miles situation in a manner that is missing from most colleges in the country. We didn't play dirty and talk to a man under contract till we had permision. We played above board and asked his current employer if it was ok and were given a time that we could talk. Is it our fault that his current employerer then went in and gave him a raise and he decided to stay? IF he really was the man for the Michigan job then he would have talked to us this week before deciding to return to his job with a hefty raise might I add. Did he ever really want the job, or did he just want to use the situation to keep the job he always wanted to stay at and get a raise out of the "implied" interest he had.

There is no urgent hurry, I would rather wait till the 1st of January and get the right man for the job. Ohio State didn't get there first man either and how has that worked out for them.

The Wolverines have hired Rich Rodriguez (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3157227) from West Virginia. An odd quirk is that UM has now replaced both its bball and football coaches in the same year with the corresponding coaches from WVU. I can't remember a similar instance, where a major sports school replaced both major sports coaches with both guys coming from the same other school.

The Wolverines have hired Rich Rodriguez (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3157227) from West Virginia. An odd quirk is that UM has now replaced both its bball and football coaches in the same year with the corresponding coaches from WVU. I can't remember a similar instance, where a major sports school replaced both major sports coaches with both guys coming from the same other school.


So far the former WVU BB coach has not gotten off to a start that will lead them to the big dance, probably due to the fact that he had to start over since all of the seniors exited with Amaker. So lets hope that Rodriguez can win without Hene, Hart and big Jake who are finally graduating to the NFL. (they hope)

I'm really surprised by this development at UM. I can't believe Rich Rodriguez would leave his alma mater after coming so close to playing in the NC to come to a football program that has seen better days. Boy, people in WV gotta be shocked. First, the basketball coach and now the football coach.

UM probably will struggle next season, too. I think the cupboard is going to be bare. But I like the idea of bringing the spread offense to Ann Arbor. College football is changing. Nice to see that the AD has finally realized that.

But you really got to question this guy's character:

Charleston Daily Mail (http://dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/200712170092)

Charleston Daily Mail (http://dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/200712170112)

It seems like character is out right now in College football.

I guess Michigan will have to settle for being the better academic school year after year and Buck fans will have to continue with their struggle to spell "OSU" on the first try.

I saw that HBO program, Dre, and the jokes at the end were pretty good.

How do you get an OSU grad off your porch? Pay for the pizza! I like this joke: A UM grad and an OSU grad are using the urinals at the Horseshoe. The UM guy finishes up and begins to head for the exit. The OSU guy notices and says loudly, "At OSU, we're taught to wash our hands after using a public bathroom." The UM guy retorts: "At Michigan, we avoid pissing on our hands."

At UCLA it is all done by remote control

:hoops:

There is some other reasons why Rodriguez left. Nice analysis from a Spartan writer here:
Kevin Thomas has a guest column. He takes a look at the UM hire of Coach Rod (http://spartannation.com/?p=3475)

By Guest Author
RICH RODRIQUEZ IS FAR FROM A SLAM DUNK
Michigan finally has their coach and it’s Rich Rodriquez. I will say this; Michigan needs to beware the “expert from afar.” You may remember that premise sent forth by self-help guru Robert Ringer, who couldn’t sell himself or his goods locally, so he made himself the “expert from afar” and became a big shot. Michigan seemed to be consulting the experts from afar through this process, and were turned down left and right with the likes of Les ‘Mini Bo’ Miles, Kirk Ferentz, Greg Schiano, Sean Payton among those saying no thank you, so don’t let the Wolverines fool you, Rodriquez was far from Michigan’s top choice.
Michigan got Rodriquez to say yes, but in my opinion this is not a slam-dunk and perfect fit for the Wolverines for a number of reasons. First, Rodriquez is WVU alum that was hurt deeply after the booing he received after losing to Pitt, and because of the subsequent death threats that were made against WVU’s kicker Pat McAfee for missing two field goals. Understandably, it is not everyday you get to play for a National Championship and both sides were deeply hurt and angry. However, this means someone might end up with buyer’s remorse after the ink is dried. Rodriquez is deeply sensitive to criticism and you have to be thick skinned to coach the Wolverines and their rabid alumni. This meeting with UM AD Bill Martin and UM President Mary Sue Coleman may have been more reactionary for the WVU head coach more than anything else, and yet with criticism building, Martin and his staff threw caution to the wind to go after Rodriquez.
After turning down Alabama last year, several promises were allegedly made to Rodriquez
and were not kept. Some of those promises had to do with facility upgrades apparently, and it left some bad blood inside the athletic department with AD Ed Pastilong, and a guy a named Mike Parsons, who works in the athletic department as well. So if you throw in the flirtation with the Crimson Tide along with the broken promises, you have a wound that is still festering.
Secondly, there is a huge buyout of four million that won’t drop until August of 2008. When UM went raiding WVU last year for basketball coach John Beilein, WVU and Beilein were able to negotiate his 2.5 million dollar buyout down to a payout of 1.5 million to the WVU Foundation.
That likely won’t happen with Rodriquez because of the ill feelings created between him and WVU administrators. Last December WVU President Mike Garrison painstakingly worked on a one-year extension to 2013, came up with the huge buyout, but more importantly, spent $50,000 more dollars to help defer large amounts of the contract so it would not be a heavy tax burden on Rodriquez.
Another troubling aspect about Rodriquez is that he struggled to communicate with the WVU athletic department. The President, the athletic director, nor no one else knew he was in Toledo talking to UM officials. Also, after Bill Martin was criticized for asking permission to talk to Les Miles and being outflanked by LSU AD Skip Bertman, Martin has set a dangerous precedent by meeting on the sly first with Greg Schiano, and then Rich Rodriquez.
Frankly, Martin was being criticized for the wrong thing previously, and yet is now being praised for something that could be unethical. If Les Miles didn’t want to come to Ann Arbor, it would make no difference if Bill Martin were floating around on a boat waiting for the SEC Championship to conclude. However, what you don’t want to do is set a trend of meeting college coaches in dark alleys and coffee shops or wherever they met in Toledo, without the other school knowing about it, but that is what Michigan did.
Lastly, Rodriquez has been know to recruit less than stellar citizens to WVU and his resume mirrors that of John L. Smith in that they both have a 3-3-5 defense and use a spread, although John L. Smith passed the ball to attack, while WVU runs the ball out of their offense. Plus, Rodriquez has no recruiting base in the Midwest, and he has a reputation for losing the big game, which means more future losses against Jim Tressel and Ohio State.
Didn’t UM learn from MSU’s attempt with an expert from afar, the gimmicky offense, and the bandit? Apparently not. The lack of passing and halftime adjustments from Rodriquez have to concern the average UM fan as well. Michigan has the resources for Rodriquez to make a better run at UM, but only time will tell.
Clearly, the UM program missed Bo Schembechler during this search, and the steady behind the scene influence he wielded. The rabid alumni were demanding a big name, and after Bobby Petrino went to Arkansas, I joked with a friend and said, “Watch, in a couple days UM will have a big name they are courting on the front page,” and now we have Rodriquez as the new coach, which is almost laughable. I can almost imagine the rabid UM alums inundating Martin and Coleman with e-mails asking why Petrino is at Arkansas while UM doesn’t have a coach.
Sometimes… the expert from afar is not the guy to get the job done and maybe he is, who knows? Yet the Mountaineers were upset with yet another coaching flirtation with Rodriquez and didn’t seem to want to keep him either. Said one WVU message board poster prior to the hiring, “He needs to leave, he is dishonest, arrogant, and self-serving.” Hey, wait a second; maybe he is the perfect fit in Ann Arbor after all. LOL
Peace and go Spartans!
P.S.
Hondo thinks that Coach Rod was a great hire for the Wolverines. He will have more on this later, but the above is simply my thoughts.

I find all this hoop-lah rather humorous.

First, Rodriquez was courted last year by Alabama,this year by Michigan, and, had he not gone to UofM, he probably would have been courted next year by Notre Dame, FSU, and who knows who else, followed the following year by another group of schools.

The process of retirements, and firings is endless, and the recruitment of new coaches is equally endless. The 40 year tenure is very rare. Spurrier, Holtz, Carroll, and others are the norm not the exception.

So, Rodriquez is just one in a long list of coaching changes. The timing may be poor, but it's not that all unusuall.

Doesn't really matter cause all he needs to do to keep his job is finish in the top half of the conference yearly and run a clean program, and they'll keep him. Even I could do that with the big and powerful U of M football machine of arrogance behind me.

One thing Rodriguez WILL DO is make this team interesting to watch. Whether it translates to wins or not is anyone's guess. But, it did get the No. 1 recruit in the nation interested in UM:

NATION'S NO. 1 RECRUIT: Vince Young-esque QB says, 'Add Michigan to my list' (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071217/SPORTS06/312170007/1048)

I don't understand why they didn't wait a couple more weeks to announce the hiring. IMO nothing should have been said until after the Fiesta Bowl because this knowledge kinda taints the game. Not a classy move by Rodriguez. I doubt waiting a little longer would affect UM's recruiting very much.

What I heard is he fronted the needs of the program against the Bama contract. And all the boosters paid up. UV got new buildings. But the draw of the Big House was too much.

I don't understand why they didn't wait a couple more weeks to announce the hiring. IMO nothing should have been said until after the Fiesta Bowl because this knowledge kinda taints the game. Not a classy move by Rodriguez. I doubt waiting a little longer would affect UM's recruiting very much.

I don't get that either. What's the hurry? That was the problem with the Miles situation too. He would either have to lie or make his team play worse, because of the timing.

I wonder if Martin & Coleman felt pressured by the alumni to do something fast. JMO but I don't think it serves either UM or Rodriguez well.

With all the big coaches now, it blank the old school, show me the money.
Makes you appreciate LLoyds "I did it all for Michigan", rant.

I wonder if Martin & Coleman felt pressured by the alumni to do something fast. JMO but I don't think it serves either UM or Rodriguez well.

Rodriguez is a hated man in Morgantown right about now. He basically pulled an Art Modell - but left the team there (although he's trying to bring his recruits with him).

He could have schmoozed his recruits to UM after either winning or losing the Fiesta. Instead, WV will be a disheartened & befuddled bunch going into the game...an almost guaranteed loss now. Rodriguez showed his true character today and I don't think it fits with the dignified heritage of UM football. JMO...today should call a question to all prospective UM recruits.

This is the big leagues...strickly hardball and mostly high and tight.

UVW DJ suspended for playing "hail to the victors"

West Virginia radio host suspended for playing Michigan fight song (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/UPDATE/712190472/1127/SPORTS0102)

A Charleston, W.Va., radio personality has been suspended indefinitely for his enthusiasm over football coach Rich Rodriguez landing the Michigan job, the Charleston Daily Mail is reporting

A clean house at the big house...


Rodriguez fires all 9 Michigan assistants (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071221/SPORTS0201/712210387/1131)

Ha,
Those assistants get their dough because Carr signed them for one extra year, right.

correct... thats why carr went to bat for his coaches class act and the new coach doesn't have to feel pressure to keep the old staff. they can get new jobs when they come along and don't have to feel pressured to just take anything.

UCLA 69 Michigan 55
Watch the Mens BB team put up a fight vs UCLA in the first half with a lot of hustle, as they led the Bruins 27-24. But as I told my wife then...UCLA will win in the end and that they did. Michigan tossed up over 30 three ball attempts as they refused to attack the rim in the second half as UCLA turned an 8 point deficit at the 14 min mark into a 14 point victory. Most of the Briuns points came in the paint while Michigan continued shoot from the outside and in the end there was no lift in their arm or legs so the better team won.

Now they have lost to such powers as Duke, Georgetown, UCLA, Butler and Harvard and Central Michigan:sssh:

Michigan tossed up over 30 three ball attempts as they refused to attack the rim in the second half as UCLA turned an 8 point deficit at the 14 min mark into a 14 point victory.

Isn't that Beilen's offensive philosophy? Several three-pointers.

Now they have lost to such powers as Duke, Georgetown, UCLA, Butler and Harvard and Central Michigan:sssh:

It's totally acceptable losing to those teams...in chess! :sssh::stirthepot::pound:

Great win for the Wolves and coach Carr.

Henne will be a pro quarterback than T-Bone

Henne has a better arm and the size.

T-Bone is too small and his arm is not good enough.

:hoops:

We lost the turnover battle 4-0. Many would think that with that disadvantage and being a 12 point underdog, that Michigan would get killed. But with 31 first downs and a total of 550 offensive yards, Tebow got stuffed. America saw what a healthy Michigan team could do when pushed. Watch for more Michigan players to get drafted higher than expected............Thank you LLOYD CARR for your excellent coaching career...........

Great win for the Michigan faithful across the country. Carr finally goes out on top and wins the last game of the season for the first time since 2003. The seniors who were 0 for Ohio State and 0 for bowl games finally win something although a national championship was what will be lacking on their resumes.

Henne, Manningham, and Long will go in the first three rounds of the NFL draft. Hart may be a tad small, but 5000 rushing yards and a lot of cocky heart, somebody will throw him a bone. Those two fumbles today did not help matters though, afterall his so called good hands were one his pluses.

This was a game where the wolverines clearly outplayed the favored Gators, but you knew that they would find a way in the end to lose, because that what football teams in Michigan do for a living:sssh::). But me in my Michigan t-shirt and the wife in her USC alumini t-shirt cheered them on to the end scaring the dog everytime one us screamed... Now she is in there cheering on her school for a probable victory over the illini...

This victory should help new coach Rodriguez in recruiting as they were able to defeat a Florida team and that is where they need to be recruiting....

Florida got all the breaks, and Wolverines got the W. Way to go out for the seniors and coach Carr.
Where was this offense before?

Florida got all the breaks, and Wolverines got the W. Way to go out for the seniors and coach Carr.
Where was this offense before?

No team that has 4 turnovers including three near the goal line should win a bowl game unless they were a superior team to begin with. So your question of where were they all season should be asked by Carr as he sits and ponders that he had to give it up because they phoned in their performances or only half showed up...We can always use injuries for an excuse,, but everybody was healthy the first two weeks of the season......There still is a question of what happen to that great Michigan defensive tradition of the 80's and 90's

No team that has 4 turnovers including three near the goal line should win a bowl game unless they were a superior team to begin with. So your question of where were they all season should be asked by Carr as he sits and ponders that he had to give it up because they phoned in their performances or only half showed up...We can always use injuries for an excuse,, but everybody was healthy the first two weeks of the season......There still is a question of what happen to that great Michigan defensive tradition of the 80's and 90's
I think the things will sort themselves out. Carr has been blamed for the conservative offense ever since I can remember. However, as was pointed out somewhere in press, Michigan quarterbacks coming out of the limited offense had quite a bit more success in the NFL than quarterbacks coming from the spread offenses. As far as defense go, I put the blame on coaching quite a bit. They managed to become more successful against the spread offenses later on in the season. In the bowl game, as I mentioned before, Florida got the breaks. They also couldn't stop the Wolverines and had to use trickery to keep things going. In addition, Michigan defense had to spend quite a bit more time defending shorter field after the turnovers. If Michigan's offense doesn't turn the ball over, it is a blowout and no way Florida scores 35.

Wonder what Michigan team would have shown up if they had played USC in the Rose Bowl? A team getting their arses kicked or a team playing to get Carr the W??

I think Lloyd summed it up pretty well in the postgame press conference. This is what happens when this team got healthy...not an excuse...just a fact.

Impressive victory to cap a great career by Coach Carr.

Dang I missed a great UoM victory.

Wonder what Michigan team would have shown up if they had played USC in the Rose Bowl? A team getting their arses kicked or a team playing to get Carr the W??

I think USC is a little better than Florida.

Great win by Michigan. Probably the most important win in a long time. They were huge underdogs and Henne did himself a lot of good in the eyes of NFL scouts, I think. And even though they gave up 35 points, I thought the defense did what it needed to do against a talented offense.

Hope OSU was watching. They can see how an SEC team can be beat. :stirthepot:

toledoblade.com -- UM's Mallett planning to transfer to UCLA (http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080103/DEVELOPINGNEWS/307973104)


There is speculation out of Ann Arbor that freshman quarterback Ryan Mallett has decided to leave Michigan and will transfer to UCLA


A top ten quarterback recruit also said that if Mallett does transfer, he's coming to Michigan. Interesting stuff.

Star quarterback recruit Pryor already has U-M tie (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071227/SPORTS06/312270020/1054)

Gotta think this has a decent probability of going down.

Star quarterback recruit Pryor already has U-M tie (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071227/SPORTS06/312270020/1054)

Gotta think this has a decent probability of going down.

That is if Mallett does transfer. It would be a total departure from the basis of Wolverine football - a run first quarterback.

That is if Mallett does transfer. It would be a total departure from the basis of Wolverine football - a run first quarterback.

I think that is why they're bringing in Rodriguez.

Mallett seems wild to me anyway. Huge arm, no touch.

I think that is why they're bringing in Rodriguez.

Mallett seems wild to me anyway. Huge arm, no touch.
But Mallett is only 18. I don't know, we'll have to wait and see.

I think that is why they're bringing in Rodriguez.

Mallett seems wild to me anyway. Huge arm, no touch.

And no wheels.

And no wheels.
Does Brady have wheels? He didn't look all that impressive in the beginning of his college career. I am not trying to say that Mallett is the answer, but so far he hasn't done anything to say he won't be a decent quarterback.

Does Brady have wheels? He didn't look all that impressive in the beginning of his college career. I am not trying to say that Mallett is the answer, but so far he hasn't done anything to say he won't be a decent quarterback.

Mallett would be better suited to a drop-back offense. Rodriguez is bringing in a spread. Spread offenses are more conducive to quicker QBs. UM needs to get quicker at the skill positions, not slower.

Brady has better wheels than Mallett. Brady was confined to a conservative UM offense that relied on the run more than the pass. Besides, I don't give Brady all the credit for what New England is doing. I give the offensive line the credit.

Mallett would be better suited to a drop-back offense. Rodriguez is bringing in a spread. Spread offenses are more conducive to quicker QBs. UM needs to get quicker at the skill positions, not slower.

Brady has better wheels than Mallett. Brady was confined to a conservative UM offense that relied on the run more than the pass. Besides, I don't give Brady all the credit for what New England is doing. I give the offensive line the credit.
A system could be adjusted to fit a quarterback if he's a strong enough performer. But if he choses to go, so be it.

Star quarterback recruit Pryor already has U-M tie (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071227/SPORTS06/312270020/1054)

Gotta think this has a decent probability of going down.


Ok that's fine but how are his grades? After all this is Meeshigan.. everybody can't go there:)

Ok that's fine but how are his grades? After all this is Meeshigan.. everybody can't go there:)
They should know something about that, wouldn't we think?

Why does ESPN and CBS have to subject us to these U-M mens basketball games?

They are on national TV again tonight for the 3rd time in 6 days and the sixth time this season..They were previously embarrassed on CBS in December by Duke and UCLA and last week by Wisconsin and Purdue.

tonight they are battling 11th ranked Indiana and everytime I watched them they are hoisting up prayer threes because every layup or short jumper is missed as if they are wearing blindfolds. I have never seen a team get out played so much in the opening minutes of a game and the second half of every game... I am not sure what the coach is preaching but no one listening and they are heading for 4-11 record after tonight.


I know these guys are all freshman and second year men, but it appears that all were walkons??/ If Rich Rodriguez has the same issues as the former WVU basketball is having now, then expect a long football season too.

Oh well back to NBA LP

Mallett will transfer. Arrington leaving for the Niffle.

ESPN - Quarterback Mallett leaves Michigan, is considering transfer to Tennessee - College Football (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3188170)

Mallett will transfer. Arrington leaving for the Niffle.

ESPN - Quarterback Mallett leaves Michigan, is considering transfer to Tennessee - College Football (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3188170)


If Michigan can get the high school phenom Terrelle Pryor signed, then Mallet will be just a distant memory like Scott Dreisbach. Rodriguez does need to see if he can at least convince Manningham to stay...I read that his father indicates that he hasn't made up his mind yet and reports are false that he is bolting to the NFL.

Those Arrington catches in the Capital One Bowl game has given AA the visions of the NFL...as he has reading his own press clippings:)

Terrelle Pryor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrelle_Pryor)

It was reported that Terrelle originally had narrowed his collegiate choices down to Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan), Ohio State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ohio_State_University), Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Florida), Penn State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_State_University), Oregon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Oregon), and Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas). Pryor stated that Michigan was once again one of his favorites after Coach Rodriguez phoned him of his departure to coach the Wolverines.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrelle_Pryor#_note-3).

Good riddance....21st century RyanLeaf butthole!

Rodriguez said that Arrington and Manningham missed the team meeting along with Mallett and that they are not currently on the team. I think it was either in Free Press or News.

So here is the QB situation right now:


Rodriguez confirmed sophomore quarterbacks Nick Sheridan and David Cone and freshman Steven Threet are still with the Wolverines' program -- the only players currently available at the position


Are any of these dudes viable replacements if Pryor isn't recruited?

David Cone? He used to have a good fastball.

So here is the QB situation right now:

Rodriguez confirmed sophomore quarterbacks Nick Sheridan and David Cone and freshman Steven Threet are still with the Wolverines' program -- the only players currently available at the position



Are any of these dudes viable replacements if Pryor isn't recruited?

David Cone? He used to have a good fastball.


Nick Sheridan ...son of Nicollette?

Steven Threet?, if he had an a in his name he could be one of the 14 children that former NBA baller Sedale Threet supposedly fathered?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/sports/10threatt.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

arrington is nuts if he thinks he'll be drafted anywhere in the first 4 rounds or receive significant playing time his first year, if he makes a team at all. he would've benefited a lot by becoming a bigger role in the Michigan offense with Manningham leaving

arrington is nuts if he thinks he'll be drafted anywhere in the first 4 rounds or receive significant playing time his first year, if he makes a team at all. he would've benefited a lot by becoming a bigger role in the Michigan offense with Manningham leaving


Another situation where a scout has promised him a big payday based on some spectacular catches and his family and boyz(posse/entourage)are looking to cash in early.

I remember him slightly in the 2006 season, and he was very good this past season, but you are correct, are those two years of experience enough for someone other than Matt "WR" Millen to pick him in the first 4-5 rounds??:sssh:

I agree on Arrington hog.

wow...the mighty Michigan football heritage looks to be unraveling. Rodriguez is gonna have a tough job proving his worthiness.

I agree on Arrington hog.

wow...the mighty Michigan football heritage looks to be unraveling. Rodriguez is gonna have a tough job proving his worthiness.

He'll probably get off to a better start than Lloyd did last year.

I agree on Arrington hog.

wow...the mighty Michigan football heritage looks to be unraveling. Rodriguez is gonna have a tough job proving his worthiness.


They still play MSU..........there's a win......:stirthepot::pound::stirthepot::pound:

They still play MSU..........there's a win......:stirthepot::pound::stirthepot::pound:Lau gh now, oh dental floss tycoon...you might not get another chance for a number of years :D

Laugh now, oh dental floss tycoon...you might not get another chance for a number of years :D


Either of us would be lucky to be able to predict the wins our respective teams will achieve this coming season.........Probably couldn't do it to within 2 victories..........Both teams could go either way........IMHO :)

As expected Michigan loses again without even playing. Can only hope that the Wolverines actually figure out a way to beat the Buckeyes while Mr. Pryor is there.

FOX Sports on MSN - COLLEGE FOOTBALL - Pryor says he'll play for Ohio State (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7930630/Pryor-says-he'll-play-for-Ohio-State)

As expected Michigan loses again without even playing. Can only hope that the Wolverines actually figure out a way to beat the Buckeyes while Mr. Pryor is there.

FOX Sports on MSN - COLLEGE FOOTBALL - Pryor says he'll play for Ohio State (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7930630/Pryor-says-he'll-play-for-Ohio-State)

Well at least he didn't keep us hanging forever, stringing us along thinking maybe we were in the running...I would have hated that ;)

As expected Michigan loses again without even playing. Can only hope that the Wolverines actually figure out a way to beat the Buckeyes while Mr. Pryor is there.

FOX Sports on MSN - COLLEGE FOOTBALL - Pryor says he'll play for Ohio State (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7930630/Pryor-says-he'll-play-for-Ohio-State)


Wow. Not a good start for Rod. If he had to do it all over again, I bet he wished he tried harder to keep Mallet. If MSU gets this thing turned around here soon, UM could be facing some serious trouble. UM can't afford for Rod to be a bust. I will consider it even if OSU takes the next three games. Those Cooper years were horrendous so we still have a little catching up to do in my opinion.

Picking OSU over UofM? This kid is obviously not a good decision maker. Sounds like we lucked out.

he may be a great player.... but i really doubt he will ever live up to the hype the kid has had laid at his feet....

good luck to him trying.... but not against us.... LOL

As expected Michigan loses again without even playing. Can only hope that the Wolverines actually figure out a way to beat the Buckeyes while Mr. Pryor is there.

FOX Sports on MSN - COLLEGE FOOTBALL - Pryor says he'll play for Ohio State (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7930630/Pryor-says-he'll-play-for-Ohio-State)
He said he liked Michigan and new coach Rich Rodriguez, but felt that he has a better shot at making it to the NFL by going to Ohio State.

My three points on the subject> Are the SAT/ACT standards higher at U-M than OSU? Did Tressul's track record outshine Rodriguez's? and finally did he do a history check on the Michigan QB's who made it to the NFL compared to the OSU QB's

M
Tom Brady >3 time super bowl champion &
Brian Griese >National Champion
Elvis Grebec
Todd Collins
Jim Harbaugh
John Navarre
not to mention all of the RB & DB if he gets relegated to that position:)

OSU
Art Schlicter
bobby Hoying
Joe Germiane
Troy Smith

None of these guys had a significant impact in the NFL other than Art's gambling issues:sssh:

It's probably better for him to so into an established system than one where they are going through a big transition. That must have been a factor in his decision making.

Well he's a "small cat". I hope his career matches that of Andre Ware when he was with the Lions. All potential but no results. Our new coach has his work cut out for him. Name his three QBs in camp...quickly without looking. Didn't think so...........:)

Well he's a "small cat". I hope his career matches that of Andre Ware when he was with the Lions. All potential but no results. Our new coach has his work cut out for him. Name his three QBs in camp...quickly without looking. Didn't think so...........:)


Looks like they may have to lower their academic standards and enroll some pop warner dude from the hood with mad running skills

He said he liked Michigan and new coach Rich Rodriguez, but felt that he has a better shot at making it to the NFL by going to Ohio State.

My three points on the subject> Are the SAT/ACT standards higher at U-M than OSU? Did Tressul's track record outshine Rodriguez's? and finally did he do a history check on the Michigan QB's who made it to the NFL compared to the OSU QB's

M
Tom Brady >3 time super bowl champion &
Brian Griese >National Champion
Elvis Grebec
Todd Collins
Jim Harbaugh
John Navarre
not to mention all of the RB & DB if he gets relegated to that position:)

OSU
Art Schlicter
bobby Hoying
Joe Germiane
Troy Smith

None of these guys had a significant impact in the NFL other than Art's gambling issues:sssh:

I think the # of qb's sent to the NFL by each team doesn't hold water for several reasons. The first reason is the coaching staffs are totally different so its like comparing apples to oranges. The second is Pryor's talent has nothing to do with any of those other guys. There is no way of predicting Pryor's ability compared to the others. My personal opinion is he doesn't seem to fit the NFL qb mold, so I won't be shocked if he tears up the college scene and flops on the NFL scene. Unless he is a much better passer than I think he is. Plus its kind of silly to even be talking about his NFL chances when he hasn't even proven he is good enough to excel in college. Although I like his chances.:MusicBigGrin:

Not sure why OSU has struggled with sending qb's to the NFL. My guess is it didn't require much skill to hand off three times each series during the Woody era so talented qb's wanted to go elsewhere, which is understandable. So based on this theory, I would say the reason why UM has sent more qb's to the NFL than OSU is because they have had better athletes at qb than OSU. Which again, goes along with my point that it is all immaterial because I think Pryor is better than all the other qb's listed, at least as far as hype goes.

Not sure why OSU has struggled with sending qb's to the NFL. My guess is it didn't require much skill to hand off three times each series during the Woody era so talented qb's wanted to go elsewhere, which is understandable. So based on this theory, I would say the reason why UM has sent more qb's to the NFL than OSU is because they have had better athletes at qb than OSU. Which again, goes along with my point that it is all immaterial because I think Pryor is better than all the other qb's listed, at least as far as hype goes.


I just figured that the U of M list was more cerebral than the bunch from OSU. Brady was a 6th round pick who had very limited physical skills. He was just able to thread the needle, plus he bulked up and got stronger for the pros.

ESPN has reported that OSU has scheduled a news conference at 5:00 PM today and Tressel is set to announce his resignation to pursue other interests. SAY IT AIN'T SO TRESS!!! This is terrible!

ESPN has reported that OSU has scheduled a news conference at 5:00 PM today and Tressel is set to announce his resignation to pursue other interests. SAY IT AIN'T SO TRESS!!! This is terrible!

lol..... i woke up early today.....

A first grade teacher explains to her class that she is a Michigan Wolverine. She asks her students to raise their hands if they're Wolverines too. Not really knowing what a Wolverine is but wanting to be like their teacher, their hands explode into the air like fleshy fireworks


There is, however, one exception. A girl named Kristen has not gone along with the crowd.


The teacher asks her why she has decided to be different. "Because I'm not a Wolverine." "Then," asks the teacher, "What are you?" "Why I'm a proud OSU Buckeye," boasts the little girl.


The teacher is perturbed now, her face slightly red. She asks Kristen why she is a rebel. "Well, my mom and dad are Buckeyes, so I'm a Buckeye, too."


The teacher is now angry. "That's no reason," she says loudly. "What if your mom was a moron, and your dad was a moron. What would you be then?"


A pause, and a smile. "Then," says Kristen, "I'd be a Wolverine."

This loss tonight to the Celtics in game 3 right after we stole home court from them in game 2 left a great big hole in my heart. In fact, it hurts so much, it feels like a loss to UM right now. In fact, this is how I feel right now. YouTube - Terry Jacks - Seasons In The Sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfm-17pu6SQ)

well at least Michigan's mens baseball and womens softball teams win today to make it 4 out of five on a big day in Detroit sports.

I'm still surprised Michigan hired the guy.
Rich Rodriguez’s legal saga may finally be over.

Rodriguez, Michigan’s football coach since December, has agreed to pay the $4-million liquidated damages clause, commonly referred to as a buyout, for leaving West Virginia to take the U-M job.

Rodriguez will pay $1.5 million, spread over three years, beginning in 2010. U-M said it will pay the balance of the sum, $2.5 million, immediately and cover Rodriguez’s legal fees later.

Athletics director Bill Martin said in a statement the money will come from the athletic department’s reserve funds, which are annual operational surpluses from such sources as sponsorships, licenses and media rights payments.

Michigan and Rodriguez’s side were motivated to end the public bickering and looming trial by the onset of football season so that the lawsuit would not be a major distraction.
U-M will pay $2.5 million of Rodriguez’s $4-million buyout | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080709/SPORTS06/80709037/&imw=Y)


Finally, somebody at Michigan was embarrassed enough to settle West Virginia’s lawsuit.

Not Rich Rodriguez. He is way too bullheaded. And not Bill Martin. He was never going to stand up to Rodriguez.

It took Mary Sue Coleman, the school president, to end this mess. Coleman was on the verge of being deposed, and she obviously didn’t want to be dragged into it. Not so coincidentally, Rodriguez finally settled.

Embarrassing ordeal reveals ugly truths about U-M coach Rich Rodriguez | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080709/SPORTS06/80709105)

I read somewhere that UM's basketball coach Beilen (sp?) also had to negotiate a buyout with WVU and the university said they wouldn't help with the buyout because it wasn't their problem. Then they fork over $2.5 million and legal fees to get Rodriguez off the hook.

Madness!

What time is it? (http://info.detnews.com/redesign/forums/sports/lettersindex.cfm?forum=sports&topic=What%20time%20is%20it%3F)
Of all the speculation about Michigan football, the truth is that no one really knows what will happen this year. However, here are some guaranteed facts that I will pass on at this point.

1. Michigan will not run the ball on first and second down to pass on subsequent 3rd and long so predictably as they have over the past 6 years (you saw what happened to Florida in the Capital One Bowl when "the game plan" changed).

2. Michigan starting players are not guaranteed to start based on senority, they have to fight for it and be in shape this year.

3. Michigan players will not be slow and overweight lacking the ability to finish a game.

4. Michigan has the best defense in the nation this year.

5. Michigan has the best freshman running back in the nation this year (yes I said it, let's all say Sam Mac Guffie. Oh yes he will be Mac-ing)

6. This is the first time that Michigan has had 2 shut down corners concomitantly in many years.

7. Michigan's kicking game is off of the hook.

8. This is Michigan; this is not Notre Lame.

9. If Michigan loses every game this season and beats Ohio State it is a successful season (I have my tickets to the game, I will be wearing a big clock around my neck at the game so after the game the Bucks will know what time it is).

9. Michigan's O-line has been terrible for the past 5 consecutive years as has the quarterbacking. Go watch the game tapes, watch the Michigan O-line get crushed and erratic quarterbacking.

10. Losing Arrington was a loss but Manningham could not catch worth beans.

11. Carson Butler is a Braylon-Edwards type of player and the best tight end in the Big Ten, even better than Beecham of Wisconsin. He is big fast and has hands like glue. He will step up this year and plant some jolting blocks as well.

12. Michigan remembers what happened last year. We remember Appalachian State,Oregon, Wisconsin, and Ohio State. The taste of fresh dirt lingers.

13. The best teams let the best players play, even the freshmen. Remember Maurice Clarret? I remember when Mike Hart was riding pine as a freshmen due to senority behind David Underwood (who was permanently retired after a hit in South Bend that gave him a concussion) .

14. Rich Rodriguez has more brains han any coach that I have seen at Michigan and I am impressed. He is the "X-factor". He has more talent on this team than he ever had at West Virginia and he plans to use every bit of it.

15. Anyone who wants to rank Michigan at #30 and is predicting that Michigan will lose 5 or 6 games can ram it.

This is Michigan !!!! We have everything we need and we will use it, nothing and no one is wasted. Here is where we stand. Let's Go Blue!!


superblue (http://info.detnews.com/redesign/forums/sports/lettersindex.cfm?username=superblue), Ann Arbor, MI



This was posted at the Detroit News Forum and I like this guy's attitude.
Especially #15..........Go Blue

1. Michigan will not run the ball on first and second down to pass on subsequent 3rd and long so predictably as they have over the past 6 years (you saw what happened to Florida in the Capital One Bowl when "the game plan" changed).



This guy must be young. The "run, run, pass, punt" offense has been around at Michigan for at least 30 years.

I have no idea how good Blue will be this year. But I'll be checking in from time to time.

Whoa. That guy is really optimistic. I hope he's right.

At least this year will be interesting.

Whoa. That guy is really optimistic. I hope he's right.

At least this year will be interesting.

Good thing they didn't schedule Appalachian State.

Rodriguez will have to really reach into his bag of tricks this season. He doesn't really have a quarterback to run his system. If UM is going to finish high in the conference, defense will have to rule the day. Maybe they can stop a scrambling quarterback for once.

Their schedule is neither extremely tough or extremely easy. They have Illinois at home, but Notre Dame and Ohio State on the road. I think the Irish will be better this season. How could they be worse? Also, UM opens up against Utah, who is expected to challenge BYU to win its conference, the Mountain West. And no way are they beating Ohio State in Columbus. Won't happen.

I think UM goes 7-5. I think they're licking their chops in East Lansing, too.

I make a motion someone starts a thread 2008. I'd do it but I don't want to type such derogatory words on my keyboard.

...Utah, who is expected to challenge BYU to win its conference, the Mountain West.
The Utes have no chance against BYU.:MusicBigGrin:

The Utes have no chance against BYU.:MusicBigGrin:


BYU football is good...On their channel, where they show the team playing well. I watched them beat UM in a bowl game...UGH.

BYU football is good...On their channel, where they show the team playing well. I watched them beat UM in a bowl game...UGH.
Wow. That must have been from a while ago.

But seriously, we have been a rising star the last few years. Currently undefeated in conference play for two straight seasons. The stadium is going to be rocking for that home opener on the 30th. The wife and I got our student sports passes, and I'm stoked!

A major problem is that the Mountain West Conference locked themselves into a horrible, obscene, stupidly stupid TV deal a year or so ago, and now the vast majority of fans in Utah and environs can't even watch regular season games because an extremely small number of cable companies have it as part of their package. This also means that BYU gets little to no national attention because noone sees them play.

I'm still way excited for this season, though. :MusicBigGrin:

I think UM goes 7-5. I think they're licking their chops in East Lansing, too.

I think U of M will do better than people expect. However, if they go 1-11 you know where they will get their one victory... :swear2:

The Utes have no chance against BYU.:MusicBigGrin:

Yeah, but they have a good shot at Michigan.