ESPN - Tigers fill SS hole, deal for Renteria from Braves - MLB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3085675)


The Detroit Tigers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=det) addressed one of their biggest needs Monday, acquiring shortstop Edgar Renteria (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5602) from the Atlanta Braves (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=atl) for two prospects.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/5602.jpg Renteria


Renteria batted .332 in 124 games with the Braves this year, finishing with 12 homers and 57 RBIs. Detroit went into the offseason needing to add a shortstop after deciding to shift Carlos Guillen to first base.
The Tigers gave up right-hander Jair Jurrjens (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=8091), who showed signs of promise last season, and minor league outfielder Gorkys Hernandez.
"We are excited to add an All-Star-caliber shortstop in Edgar Renteria to the Tigers organization," Detroit president and general manager Dave Dombrowski said in a statement. "Edgar is a quality player, proven winner and tremendous leader that solidifies our infield."


I don't like giving up Jurrjens, especially since we don't even have a full rotation. Guy showed so much promise. This is really strange from my point of view.

Yeah I hate that we had to give up Jurrjens too, the one bright spot in the pitching rotation during the September swoon. We saw great pitching from the Redsox in the post seaons and only which the Tigers could have been that dominant. That being said, we still got strikeout king at 3B, should we go after the WS MVP Mike Lowell who is now a FA. Cheaper than me-me-me A-Rod. Of course then the BoSox would sign A-Rod

This is great!

Trading a guy who had a couple good games, then immediately got injured for an all star SS who bats in the 300's?

We don't have Casey anymore, right? So now Guillen can move to 1st base.

Ideally, we also get a premier 3rd baseman and Inge can be a utility man/ backup 3rd.

This is great!

Trading a guy who had a couple good games, then immediately got injured for an all star SS who bats in the 300's?

We don't have Casey anymore, right? So now Guillen can move to 1st base.

Ideally, we also get a premier 3rd baseman and Inge can be a utility man/ backup 3rd.
I would wonder what Renteria Tigers got? The guy that was great for the Braves, or the guy who totally flamed out in Boston? Also, we know that most likely Inge is not going anywhere - is virtually untradeable with that contract. Lets hope Tigers sign a veteran pitcher and some outfield help.

One thing that jumped out at me. Renteria is a righty, but hit .323 against right handed pitchers last year.

So, we essentially got a left handed hitter, which we needed as well.

Also, he reached base safely in 130 games last year! He batted .818 with the bases loaded (9-11 with 17 RBI's).

He has had playoff struggles, but I don't think it is because of the pressure. For instance, his career batting average in the World Series is .304 in 46 at bats.

He is a 5 time all-star who has delivered a World Series winning hit (coincidently for Jim Leyland).

One thing that jumped out at me. Renteria is a righty, but hit .323 against right handed pitchers last year.

So, we essentially got a left handed hitter, which we needed as well.

Also, he reached base safely in 130 games last year! He batted .818 with the bases loaded (9-11 with 17 RBI's).

He has had playoff struggles, but I don't think it is because of the pressure. For instance, his career batting average in the World Series is .304 in 46 at bats.

He is a 5 time all-star who has delivered a World Series winning hit (coincidently for Jim Leyland).
If this is who we get - sign me for Renteria fan club.
:MusicBigGrin:

If this is who we get - sign me for Renteria fan club.
:MusicBigGrin:

Even if he doesn't play well, we still aren't giving up much, unless Jurjens has a true breakout year.


The Tigers developed youth, showcased it to increase the stock value, then parlayed it into a proven player.

Textbook move.

Even if he doesn't play well, we still aren't giving up much, unless Jurjens has a true breakout year.


The Tigers developed youth, showcased it to increase the stock value, then parlayed it into a proven player.

Textbook move.

That it was :nod: :amen:

Still thinking about this deal. I can't say it was a bad move. I don't know much about the other kid the Braves got, Hernandez.

Whatever happened to getting Jack Wilson? I agree with Mikhail, I'm worried about getting the Renteria that stunk in Beantown.

That certainly solidifies the left side of the infield. Even if he has lost some range; Inge can help him by covering some of his ground for him. Inge had a bad year at the plate last year. He will not have two in a row.

Hernandez may yet grow to be a solid major leaguer. However, we have Granderson, Maybin, and a couple of years of Maggs, so our outfield is set.

Jurrjens looked damn good before going on the DL. I hope Dombrowski knows what he's doing.

This was a huge move. We will now have 3 of the top 7 hitters in baseball. (AVG.)

It's only a bad deal if Jurrjens turns out to be another John Smoltz (that deal bit us in the %%%%%) and Bonderman turns out to be another ............Bonderman.

It's only a bad deal if Jurrjens turns out to be another John Smoltz (that deal bit us in the %%%%%) and Bonderman turns out to be another ............Bonderman.


Yeah heard that...the Smoltz for Doyle Alexander deal in 87 was a pisser. It got the Tigers thick into the pennant race that year, but they folded the next 19 years...:yellowprison:

this is why you build up your farm system. we just got the NL All-Star Game starting shortstop for 2 prospects. sounds good to me.

Yeah heard that...the Smoltz for Doyle Alexander deal in 87 was a pisser. It got the Tigers thick into the pennant race that year, but they folded the next 19 years...:yellowprison:

Well, we've still got Verlander, Porcello, and Miller as our good-young arms. A lot of teams would kill for that kind of young talent.

As long as we make a move for an upgrade at 3rd, and solidify the rotation, I'll be fine without Jair.

Well, we've still got Verlander, Porcello, and Miller as our good-young arms. A lot of teams would kill for that kind of young talent.

As long as we make a move for an upgrade at 3rd, and solidify the rotation, I'll be fine without Jair.


I think the rotation can be good for years to come. We need somebody here to mentor the young arms. I thought it was Kenny Rodgers, and it still may be. We just need somebody to keep their heads on straight and allow them to develop into the good pitchers that they are.

Overall, I'm impressed with this acquisition. This will solidify our team and help us to become better defensively. Other newspapers were in awe of the deal, the same way they felt after we snagged Sheffield early last off season.

I think the rotation can be good for years to come. We need somebody here to mentor the young arms.

How about Schilling AND Rogers? Schil is writing good-bye letters to his teammates. ESPN - Schilling writes goodbye letters to Red Sox mates - MLB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3086804)
I think Rogers is at the end of his rope. We need insurance. And Miller has a long way to go. I don't know if he'll ever be good. He only has command of one pitch right now: the straight ball.

Granderson (.302) OF
Renteria (.332) SS
Polanco (.341) 2B
Ordonez (.363) OF
Sheffield (.265) DH
Guillen (.296) 1B
Rodriguez (.281) C
Raburn (.304) OF
Inge (.236) 3B

That potential starting lineup had a batting average of .302!!!, with power too.

And they are great defensively.


And all we had to do was trade a minor leaguer and a pitcher who has never had a shutout in his career. 30 total innings pitched and 13 total strikeouts. Also a guy who went down with an injury after his first significant stint.

This would be like trading Amir Johnson for Dwight Howard.

... And all we had to do was trade a minor leaguer and a pitcher who has never had a shutout in his career. 30 total innings pitched and 13 total strikeouts. Also a guy who went down with an injury after his first significant stint.

This would be like trading Amir Johnson for Dwight Howard.

Maybe, but it might be more like Amir Johnson and Rodney Stuckey for Tracey McGrady.

Maybe, but it might be more like Amir Johnson and Rodney Stuckey for Tracey McGrady.

McGrady is a good parallel.

But Hernandez = Stuckey?


I hadn't even heard of Hernandez before the trade happened. I'm sure that if this were Tigersforum.com I would have heard of him.

We could always grab a free agent pitcher for a year to make us forget about Jurjens.

ESPN - Schilling's list: 13 teams he'd consider for 2008 - MLB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3087824)

Schilling mentions the Tigers as a team he would consider for next year.

We could always grab a free agent pitcher for a year to make us forget about Jurjens.

ESPN - Schilling's list: 13 teams he'd consider for 2008 - MLB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3087824)

Schilling mentions the Tigers as a team he would consider for next year.


With Schilling being just a tad bit younger than the Gambler, he could be considered, but then we would have three righties to go with the inconsistant southpaw Nate. Now if Dombrowski could resign Rogers and squeeze in Schilling, then may be Rogers could be that long relief man >>>> you know the one that comes in when Bondy and Nate can't get out of the first inning:)

I've read a lot of good stuff about Hernandes. Still, Tigs have enough in the outfield that they could let the prospect go. I am more worried about the starting pitching.

I have mixed emotions about the Tigers bringing in Renteria. On the one hand, they needed a defensive shortstop, so that hey can move Guillen to 1st base.

OTOH, I'm not sure Renertia is their guy. I mean how many former Florida Marlins from their World Series Team in 1997 should the Tigers bring in? They already over-paid for Sheff, which turned into a disaster, and now they bring in Renteria, who is 32 years old? I don't even know how he fields by now.

What is Jimmy Leyland running here?...an old folks home for former Florida Marlin World Series Champs?

Heck, for the money the Tigers are paying Sheffield ($14 million per) and Renteria ($9 million per), they could almost have afforded A-Rod, who would have been a much better fielder than Renteria and a much better hitter than Sheff.

Jimmy Leyland needs to stop making personnel decisions.

sure you could've had a-rod for both of those, but then who would the tigers have signed last year? and who would DH? as long as sheffield can stay healthy, having both him and renteria is far better than having a-rod.

sure you could've had a-rod for both of those, but then who would the tigers have signed last year? and who would DH? as long as sheffield can stay healthy, having both him and renteria is far better than having a-rod.

IMO, the Tigers are collecting huge contracts that no one else wants.

What ever happened to the plan of building from within, with cheap, young arms?

The Tigers will never out-Yankee the Yankees. The Tigers need to follow Marc Shapiro's blueprint in Cleveland.

IMO, the Tigers are collecting huge contracts that no one else wants.

What ever happened to the plan of building from within, with cheap, young arms?

The Tigers will never out-Yankee the Yankees. The Tigers need to follow Marc Shapiro's blueprint in Cleveland.
Almost every team has a contract that nobody else wants. Tigers also have lots of youngsters on the team who are coming from the minor league system - Granderson, Robertson, Verlander, Rayburn, Inge, Infante, Santiago, Maybin, Rodney, Zumaya, De La Cruz, and Miller. But the team needs some veteran presence. Most of the guys that were brought in are producing - Polanco, Ordonez, Guillen. Sheffield got injured and Tigers got him for a prospect that missed the entire year with injury. So I would not spell all doom and gloom. I think the team will be alright.

Just reprted on WDFN that Zumaya hurt himself moving things out of the San Fran Fire zone and had to have shoulder surgery today. Will be out til mid 2008 season.

Just reprted on WDFN that Zumaya hurt himself moving things out of the San Fran Fire zone and had to have shoulder surgery today. Will be out til mid 2008 season.

Where is San Fran Fire zone?

The Official Site of Major League Baseball: News: Major League Baseball News (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071101&content_id=2290471&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

The Tigers bullpen just became more unsettled. Joel Zumaya, who was in line to potentially become Detroit's closer next season, is expected to miss the first half of next season after undergoing shoulder surgery on Wednesday in San Diego. According to a Tigers news release, Zumaya injured his shoulder moving items from his San Diego home during the recent California wildfires. An examination revealed the extent of the injury, which required reconstructive surgery on his AC joint.

The Official Site of Major League Baseball: News: Major League Baseball News (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071101&content_id=2290471&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)


Thanks PTI, reported it in San Diego too, so knowing ther was no fire in NoCal, I was confused too...

Guitar hero/ popped finger tendon/ ripped shoulder moving furniture ???

For a guy who throws 100+ mph fastballs, his body sure is fragile.


Maybe the Cubs will take him off our hands.

Guitar hero/ popped finger tendon/ ripped shoulder moving furniture ???

For a guy who throws 100+ mph fastballs, his body sure is fragile.


Maybe the Cubs will take him off our hands.Exactly. Zumaya sure seems brittle at such a young age.

Most people that get evacuated on short notice grab important documents, family photos, and clothing...not pianos, refrigerators, etc. What was he moving that could cause shoulder damage? I think there might be more to his injury story than has been told.

Oh, this is horrible. I guess Todd Jones just became REALLY important.

You know what else I am wondering: isn't he making enough to have moving company help?

You know what else I am wondering: isn't he making enough to have moving company help?


Britney, Paris and Lindsey can afford a driver too, but they choose to drive anyway and wreak havoc among the LA streets:sssh: the rich just like to save a few dollars by doing it themselves.....

His brains must rest first when he pulls up a seat.........:stirthepot:
He shoulda asked BONDERMAN to help with the heavy stuff......

According to an account I read he claimed that he was just moving things around in his basement to get valuables together in case he would have to evacuate on short notice. He wasn't in the danger zone but he wanted to be sure. Kind of a weird story, though, I wonder if it is true?

Story seems amazingly unlucky. I'm doubting it.

While Kenny Rogers trolls, Tigers look at Marlins' Dontrelle Willis (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071110/SPORTS02/711100378/1048/SPORTS&imw=Y)

After agent Scott Boras told the Tigers this week that free-agent left-hander Kenny Rogers would consider other offers, president/general manager Dave Dombrowski acknowledged that the Tigers had no choice but to pursue different options.

I wonder if Tigers would even want Rogers back at this point. He always kept saying that he was only interested in playing for Tigers and now he's changing his tune.

While Kenny Rogers trolls, Tigers look at Marlins' Dontrelle Willis (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071110/SPORTS02/711100378/1048/SPORTS&imw=Y)



I wonder if Tigers would even want Rogers back at this point. He always kept saying that he was only interested in playing for Tigers and now he's changing his tune.


I say let him go. He's a cheater anyway.

I say let him go. He's a cheater anyway.

That's how I look at it. We have an example of Todd Jones who said that his preference would be to stay with Tigers. And he backs up his talk:
David and I have a great relationship," Jones said via text message Friday, in reference to Dombrowski. "I look forward to hearing what he's got to say this week. "I've done a good job for him. It's been a good (match) for the both of us. I look for both sides to sit down and (find) out if there is common ground."

boras is just doing his job as an agent to try to get more $, and i'm sure he hated when rogers said he'd only play for the tigers.

boras is just doing his job as an agent to try to get more $, and i'm sure he hated when rogers said he'd only play for the tigers.

I perfectly understand what he's doing. If that's the case, though, Rogers should've kept his yapper shut.

I perfectly understand what he's doing. If that's the case, though, Rogers should've kept his yapper shut.

It'll be interesting to see what Boras can get for his client. Lotta uncertainty about him after last season.

ESPN - Tigers trade Infante for Cubs outfielder Jones - MLB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3106431)

The Detroit Tigers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=det) acquired outfielder Jacque Jones (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6246) and "cash considerations" from the Chicago Cubs (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=chn) for infielder Omar Infante (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7016).

Jones, 32, is a .280 hitter with 164 home runs in nine seasons with Minnesota and the Cubs. He hit 27 home runs in 2006, but he never warmed to Chicago and was a target of boos from Wrigley Field fans and abuse on the local radio call-in shows.

Tigers wanted that guy before, but couldn't get him. He will shore up the outfield and give us the left-handed bat.

ESPN - Tigers trade Infante for Cubs outfielder Jones - MLB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3106431)

Tigers wanted that guy before, but couldn't get him. He will shore up the outfield and give us the left-handed bat.


I hope Infante gets to play more in ChiTown than he did in the D. I got the impression that JL never liked Omar much.

.285 ave? Sounds good to me.

With Renteria, our need for a utility infielder goes down.

Neifi will be back next year too, right? (uggh)

Los Tigres re-sign Jonesie. Guess they had to after the Zumaya thing.


ESPN - Tigers keep closer Jones - MLB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3107039)

.285 ave? Sounds good to me.

With Renteria, our need for a utility infielder goes down.

Neifi will be back next year too, right? (uggh)
Neifi is gone. We still have Santiago to fill in from time to time. Also, if push comes to shove, Guillen could play a few games at the SS with Thames at 1B.
Jones is a solid lef-handed bat. He should do just fine in this batting order. I wouldn't expect the power numbers to come up much, especially with games being at CoPa, but I'd guess Tigers should count on 10-15 dingers.

Neifi is gone. We still have Santiago to fill in from time to time. Also, if push comes to shove, Guillen could play a few games at the SS with Thames at 1B.
Jones is a solid lef-handed bat. He should do just fine in this batting order. I wouldn't expect the power numbers to come up much, especially with games being at CoPa, but I'd guess Tigers should count on 10-15 dingers.

This guy might fit in real well considering that the CoPa is more of doubles and triples park. He gets a lot of doubles. He could be Guillen Lite.

By the way, Zoom should give Tigers a discount (if he is healthy to play) after they had to overpay for Jonesy due to Zoom's injury.

List of top 50 free agents. Not much starting pitching in there and what is in there is old or mediocre.

ESPN - Law: Top 50 free agents - MLB (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove07/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=3104954&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb %2fhotstove07%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumn ist%3dlaw_keith%26id%3d3104954)

I'll be interested to see who the Tigers' starting 5 is next season. I get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I think about it. I hope Rogers walks. Maybe they could get Glavine as a replacement if they want that veteran presence. Also, Carlos Silva (Twins) is a free agent.

Here is the email I got from a die hard Cubs fan/ buddy of mine... for what it's worth.

Here is why Jones sucks:
1) He never hits when you need it
2) Had more groundouts than any 2 players combined
3) Went from 20 to 30 HR's to 8 (drug testing)
4) Complains when the fans get on him for sucking
5) He swings at everything
6) Can't move a runner over...hits into double plays...ruins any potential rally
7) He thinks he's awesome even when his #'s don't show it
He plays a good outfield though...woopadee-doo.

Here is the email I got from a die hard Cubs fan/ buddy of mine... for what it's worth.

Here is why Jones sucks:
1) He never hits when you need it
2) Had more groundouts than any 2 players combined
3) Went from 20 to 30 HR's to 8 (drug testing)
4) Complains when the fans get on him for sucking
5) He swings at everything
6) Can't move a runner over...hits into double plays...ruins any potential rally
7) He thinks he's awesome even when his #'s don't show it
He plays a good outfield though...woopadee-doo.

I'm sure Dombrowski had scouts do all the DD on the guy.
The risk is low since the contract expires after this upcoming season and Cubs are picking up part of it anyhow.
Tigers don't need homeruns as much they need doubles to drive runners in, we get enough runners on
Tigers need a left-handed bat

I still think it is a good idea, but it's good to get a reality check from someone who has watched him a ton.

I guess the Cubs fans were really getting on this guy.

He's was like their Flip Murray.

I still think it is a good idea, but it's good to get a reality check from someone who has watched him a ton.

I guess the Cubs fans were really getting on this guy.

He's was like their Flip Murray.
It is difficult to compare, but I would argue that .285 batting average would equal 12-15 ppg. And the guy also had 33 doubles and struck out only 70 times. You also have to consider the team he had around him. It is kind of difficult to drive people in when they are not on base. Murray had good players surround him. I would argue that it is different, but it doesn't matter. It will all come out when the games begin.

More ground-outs than any other 2 Cubs combined is a bad stat though, especially when there will likley be guys on base when he's up.

It is also concerning that his power really fell off the cliff after the steroids testing was announced. .499 slugging to .400 in one year and serious drop in HR's.

He did his .332 after the all-star break last year, so that would have really helped us. And from what I can tell, he is a great fielder with an average arm.

And like you said, he IS a lefty.

More ground-outs than any other 2 Cubs combined is a bad stat though, especially when there will likley be guys on base when he's up.

It is also concerning that his power really fell off the cliff after the steroids testing was announced. .499 slugging to .400 in one year and serious drop in HR's.

He did his .332 after the all-star break last year, so that would have really helped us. And from what I can tell, he is a great fielder with an average arm.

And like you said, he IS a lefty.
In these deals you can't be 100% sure of what you're getting as it is. As I've said we'll see it all play out and be able to make a judgement once the season gets under way.

Shows you how desperate the Tigers are with regard to pitching:

ESPN - Rogers agrees to one-year contract with Detroit - MLB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3135081)

Shows you how desperate the Tigers are with regard to pitching:

ESPN - Rogers agrees to one-year contract with Detroit - MLB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3135081)


I would have thrown the bank at Johan Santana. Why let the Yankees and Sox have all the fun and success.

Shows you how desperate the Tigers are with regard to pitching:

ESPN - Rogers agrees to one-year contract with Detroit - MLB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3135081)

He is still a lot better than Jamie Moyer who at 44, which is older than Rogers, won 14 games last year.

My guess is that it is an incentive laden contract.

If Rogers is healthy, he should be able to win at least a dozen games in 2008 and probably more.

ESPN - Jamie Moyer Stats, News, Photos - Philadelphia Phillies - MLB Baseball (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=1799)

:hoops:

My guess is that it is an incentive laden contract.

It better be.

It better be.

According to reports $8 million base (don't know if it is guaranteed) plus $2 million incentive.

:hoops:

He should be paid $500K for each win.

He should be paid $500K for each win.

That is probably why he dumped his agent.

:hoops:

That is probably why he dumped his agent.

:hoops:

That's exactly what it looked like. In the beginning Rogers said that he's only planning on playing with Tigers. Then Boras showed up and everything went down the hill. Then Rogers fired Boras and everything is peachy again.

That's exactly what it looked like. In the beginning Rogers said that he's only planning on playing with Tigers. Then Boras showed up and everything went down the hill. Then Rogers fired Boras and everything is peachy again.

I wish more players had the guts to do what rogers did. At some point it has to stop being about the money and being about where you feel like being, even if it cost you a few dollars. It isn't like he's going to be hurting for money.

RED RANGER: Tigers trade Shelton to Texas for OF Freddy Guzman (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071206/SPORTS02/312060012/1048/SPORTS)


The Tigers have long wanted to add speed to their roster, and did so tonight with the acquisition of outfielder Freddy Guzman from the Texas Rangers in exchange for first baseman Chris Shelton.
Guzman, 26, was a highly-regarded speedster in the San Diego organization in 2004 – he swiped 48 bases at Triple-A Portland that year – but has never been able to stay in the majors for an extended period of time. He has a .213 batting average in 37 big-league games.

I kind of liked Shelton, but having a greyhound OF for a pinch runner is not a total waste. Not that we are going to need to squeeze out an extra run next year.

I kind of liked Shelton, but having a greyhound OF for a pinch runner is not a total waste. Not that we are going to need to squeeze out an extra run next year.

This Guzman guy is AAA fodder. He only plays in Comerica if one of our regular outfielders goes on the DL and even then he might be behind Clevlen on the call up list.

The Tigers have done a good job of stocking Toledo with decent players over the last several years and it has shown in the Mud Hens won and loss column. This year will probably be no different. Guzman will love driving Interstate 90 this year.

:hoops:

OMG!
Tigers have the sickest line-up in the majors. Boston and Detroit for the pennent.

The current rumor is that we were looking into packaging Pudge and Willis together to get something in return from the Mets.

Florida wouldn't trade with them, but they wanted Willis.

The current rumor is that we were looking into packaging Pudge and Willis together to get something in return from the Mets.

Florida wouldn't trade with them, but they wanted Willis.
It was financial, but Ilich gave Dombrowski OK to up the payroll so that they could keep Willis.

Moving Pudge and Willis would be a mistake.

Moving Pudge and Willis would be a mistake.

I agree. Pudge has one more average to good season left, and I'm willing to take the chance that Willis can regain his good stuff in a different venue.

It was interesting when the rumored trade of Dontrelle and Pudge to the Mets became known to the players. Dontrelle told Pudge about it and he responded, "What you talking about Willis"!!!:pound:

Didn't Pudge come from Florida? Has he caught DonW.?

Didn't Pudge come from Florida? Has he caught DonW.?

I believe he did catch him when they won the world series.

I agree. Pudge has one more average to good season left, and I'm willing to take the chance that Willis can regain his good stuff in a different venue.

We need Pudge because of his ability to draw walks.

:hoops:

We need Pudge because of his ability to draw walks.

:hoops:

He's also needed for his HR power and base stealing abilities.

We need Pudge because of his ability to draw walks.

:hoops:

Regardless of his inability to draw walks, he is still a good defensive catcher with a strong arm. And he can still hit .270 or above most likely. And he's a team leader who has been through the battles, i.e., actually won a World Series. He brings a lot of intangibles.

Ivan Rodriguez Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodriiv01.shtml)

Regardless of his inability to draw walks, he is still a good defensive catcher with a strong arm. And he can still hit .270 or above most likely. And he's a team leader who has been through the battles, i.e., actually won a World Series. He brings a lot of intangibles.

Ivan Rodriguez Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodriiv01.shtml)

Rodriquez also handles pitching staffs very well, and call a great game behind the plate. He's especially good with young pitchers.

Pudge is also bi-lingual which I am sure comes in handy in the locker room.


:hoops:

The Tigers just signed Nate Robertson to a 3 year, $21 million contract. That effectively solidifies a rotation of Verlander, Bonderman, Willis, Rogers and Robertson.

Tigers sign Robertson for three years (http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080116/SPORTS0104/801160454)

The Tigers just signed Nate Robertson to a 3 year, $21 million contract. That effectively solidifies a rotation of Verlander, Bonderman, Willis, Rogers and Robertson.

Tigers sign Robertson for three years (http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080116/SPORTS0104/801160454)

Four out of the five (the exception being Kenny) are now signed through at least 2010.

Four out of the five (the exception being Kenny) are now signed through at least 2010.
Is that a good thing? I guess we'll have to wait and see. (Becomes my favorite saying as of late)

The Tigers just signed Nate Robertson to a 3 year, $21 million contract. That effectively solidifies a rotation of Verlander, Bonderman, Willis, Rogers and Robertson.

Tigers sign Robertson for three years (http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080116/SPORTS0104/801160454)

Wow, $7 million per for throwing way too many pitches, getting in too many jams and having a career record of 42-55 and an ERA of 4.60.

Where did I sign up?

Well, you have to remember that Robertson is a lefty, and lefties are historically over-paid. The other consideration is that Robertson had a much better year two years ago. Who knows?

I think this officially makes Chad Durbin trade bait.

Well, you have to remember that Robertson is a lefty, and lefties are historically over-paid. The other consideration is that Robertson had a much better year two years ago. Who knows?

I think this officially makes Chad Durbin trade bait.
Isn't Durbin gone already? I thought he's a free agent anyway.

He signed a one year deal with the Phillies.

He signed a one year deal with the Phillies.

So, you're saying there is still a chance that he'll be playing for us next year?

No way Roboman will be able to claim lack of run support this year if he has another losing season.

:hoops:

Nate Robertson will have aroung 17-18 wins this season. This will be several more wins than Jeremy Bonderman.

MLive.com: Everything Michigan (http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2008/01/tigers_sign_thames_for_1275_mi.html)


Marcus Thames signed a 2008 contract today, leaving the Tigers with two unsigned arbitration-eligible players. Thames will get $1.275 million, a big raise over the $432,500 he made in 2007.

For a guy who hit over .300 with runners in scoring position, we got a good deal.

Nate Robertson will have aroung 17-18 wins this season. This will be several more wins than Jeremy Bonderman.

I smell a bet here, Nemo.

Keep in mind that their run support is going to ungodly.

Heard on WDFN that Cabrera (sp) signed a one year deal worth 11 mil I believe?

I smell a bet here, Nemo.


Keep in mind that his run support is going to be ungodly........did I just dream those words. He also has good Chi......this year.

Keep in mind that his run support is going to be ungodly........did I just dream those words. He also has good Chi......this year.

He'll need it. Because as he's struggling to get through the 5th inning with a lead, the Tigers' weak-azz bullpen (the very reason this team did not win 95 or more games last season) will make things interesting no doubt.

He'll need it. Because as he's struggling to get through the 5th inning with a lead, the Tigers' weak-azz bullpen (the very reason this team did not win 95 or more games last season) will make things interesting no doubt.

Well, at least it will be entertaining.

Tigers extend Granderson for 5 years and $30 million:

ESPN - Tigers lock up outfielder Granderson with five-year, $30.25M deal - MLB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3229965)

Granderson is my favorite Tiger :)

What a player, and what a guy! You can't ask for a better player.

5 years $30 million? that's a steal.

That's only $300,000 per triple!

Actually, it really is a good deal. I just wanted to see how that sounded.

I like the fact that he joined Willie Mays and Frank "Wildfire" Schulte as the only players in major league history with 20 steals, 20 homers, 20 triples and 20 doubles. Philadelphia shortstop Jimmy Rollins became a part of the 20-20-20-20 club later in the season.

I also like the fact that Granderson is a nice guy. I met him walking to a Lions pre-game last year. He signed autographs for my son and I. He hung around and talked to us like we were his friends. If he stays that humble and keeps putting up great numbers, this signing was definitely a steal.

I like Grandy, too, but the guy strikes out a lol. Although he did reduce them by a lot last season (from 174 to 141). I'd put an incentive in there giving him more $$$ if he gets his strikeout numbers into double digits.

Not sure he should be hitting leadoff.

fair points. i hate when guys strike out a lol

fair points. i hate when guys strike out a lol


:pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:

A lot.

Grady Sizemore who most people compare Grandy with got $23.4 million for 6 years in 2004.


Sizemore signed a 6-year contract with the Indians worth $23.45 million with a club option for 2012.
Grady Sizemore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grady_Sizemore)

$30 million is a fair price though hopefully before Grandy's contract is up he will get an extension at higher dollars.

I think he can become a 30 - 30 guy. He needs to learn how to hit left handed pitchers before he can take it to the next level.

He hit only .160 against lefties last year, which won't get it done.

ESPN - Curtis Granderson Stats, News, Photos - Detroit Tigers - MLB Baseball (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=6125)



:hoops:

big moves=big season.

big moves=big season.

Lots of runs, but whether they get to the WS and win it will depend on their starting pitching which at this point is a big question mark. Lots of potential but we shall have to wait and see.

:hoops: