Home opener. Sunday night game at the Palace against Joe Smith, Al Horford (3rd pick), Josh Smith and the Atlanta Hawks.

tv: FSDHD. I do not know what this means or what channel it is?

Home opener. Sunday night game at the Palace against Joe Smith, Al Horford (3rd pick), Josh Smith and the Atlanta Hawks.

tv: FSDHD. I do not know what this means or what channel it is?
Looks like Fox Sports Detroit Hi-Def.

Looks like Fox Sports Detroit Hi-Def.

They will have quit a few of them on HD. Means if you don't have an HD tv then you will see a black screen. All of them are home games for some reason.

Hawks will come in to this game with some confidence after getting a big win at home over Dallas tonight.

Hawks will come in to this game with some confidence after getting a big win at home over Dallas tonight.

They controlled that game from start to finish and oh by the way, they were undefeated in the pre-season too...not that it means anything.

So lets play them tough as a pretender and not as an also ran scrub like Dallas did.

This is the perfect game for J-Max, AJ, Afflalo..........and er Flip Jr.!!

Run, run, and run some more!!!!!!!!!!:hoops:

Are we going to start having the game preview posts at the beginning of the individual game threads again, where we get to see lineup pics, team stats, etc. I always loved that from past seasons. I don't know who was doing it, but I think a lot of people would appreciate it.

Looks easy, but the Pistons could easily overlook this game after a great trip to Florida.

max i'll probably be tailgating in the warm november MI weather before the game...if you wanna meet up (or anyone else going to the game), shoot me a PM

Are we going to start having the game preview posts at the beginning of the individual game threads again, where we get to see lineup pics, team stats, etc. I always loved that from past seasons. I don't know who was doing it, but I think a lot of people would appreciate it.
I was doing it, and it was doable because I had more free time in the past. I'll try to do it when I can.

Looks easy, but the Pistons could easily overlook this game after a great trip to Florida.

1. Atlanta is more talented than both Orlando and Miami. They are however very young.
2. As I recall we had a better record last year on the road than at home.

This could be a very tough game, though with the Hawks having mostly young players I would be very surprised if we didn't win.

I would love to see an AJ - Horford matchup but it probably won't happen today except for a few minutes at the most. But there will plenty of opportunities to see these two go at one another in the future.

Their top minutes guys so far

Joe Johnson is 26
Josh Smith is 21
Marvin Williams is 21
Tyronn Lee is 30
Al Horford is 21
Sheldon Williams is 23

So there top six average out to 23.7 in age. Pretty young to say the least.

:hoops:

Does that mean if I don't have HD even though the game is on League Pass, I can't get it?

You should be able to get the game on LP, Ozark.

Does that mean if I don't have HD even though the game is on League Pass, I can't get it?

FSN Detroit has 2 stations on Directv now. One regular and one hi def. They wil be showing the same program, just like TNT and TNTHD, or Cartoon Network and Cartoon Network HD. If not, then i will tell you how the game was.

League Pass games are almost all standard-def anyway. There are occasionally some NBA TV high-def broadcasts, but I'm not sure where those are shown anymore. I used to get them in HD on the INHD channel, but that network changed it name to MOJO, and I'm not sure they carry all those games anymore.

League Pass games are almost all standard-def anyway. There are occasionally some NBA TV high-def broadcasts, but I'm not sure where those are shown anymore. I used to get them in HD on the INHD channel, but that network changed it name to MOJO, and I'm not sure they carry all those games anymore.

Don't let last year discourage you D4E.

Depending on who you get league pass from the majority of your games will be HD.

Atlanta's uniforms are uuuuuuugly. Whoever designed Charlotte's logo and uniforms must've done the same for Atlanta.

Don't let last year discourage you D4E.

Depending on who you get league pass from the majority of your games will be HD.

How does that work? I get LP through my local digital cable system, and all the LP channels are standard-def. Do you have a package where you get HD League Pass channels?

I checked and its also on Standard FSN.

Chat is open early, I have to get a haircut.

http://www.pistonsforum.com/misc.php?do=flashchat

See you soon!

Atrocious first half.

Murray returned to his normal self. Couldn't run the offense and couldn't guard Law. Flip needs to get this guy out of the lineup.

Nazr 4 useless minutes.

No one to block out Horford on the glass.

Unfortunately I think that this is going to be the rotation until Hot Rod returns which at that time will at least get Murray out of the rotation. I think AJ will need an injury by one of the other bigs to get any real minutes.

Some of our guys played a decent first half, in particular Rip and some real hustle play by Maxey.

Bottom line, terrible.

Hopefully we will do better the second half

:hoops:

I didn't see any of the first half, but I did see the great comeback in the 4th quarter. Pretty much everyone who was in there contributed to the 32-point final period: JMax and Flip near the beginning of the quarter, then Rip, CB, Jarvis hitting a couple of big shots, Dice keying some big plays, Tay scoring as well. Pistons almost blew it in the final minute, letting Johnson hit two straight threes and then Sheed leaving his feet to give Josh Smith 3 FTs to tie the game, but then we got exactly what the doctor ordered on the final possession: CB driving to the rim, drawing the foul, and hitting the game-winning FT. Close call, but a win is a win.

The middle 2 Qs were regular old stodgy Pistons basketball. Much lower tempo.

I stand by my question, that we might need to move one of our perimeter starters to the bench.

Boxscore
NBA.com: Hawks at Pistons Game Info (http://www.nba.com/games/20071104/ATLDET/boxscore.html)

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The Pistons did tonight what they have done in their first two games...shut down the opposition in the 4th qtr. The difference this time is that they were behind to start the 4th and really needed to shut down the Hawks and then score themselves.

The Pistons looked listless out there in the 2nd and 3rd qtrs and were lucky to be in striking distance when the 4th started. They were getting outhustled and the Hawks were shooting cover 50% in the third quarter. With J-Max leading the way to begin the 4th, the Pistons mounted a comeback with their second unit on the floor (plus Rip) and once they got the lead, Flip sr brought back in most of his starters to close out the game. Rip fouled out shortly there afterwards, but Pistons built a six point lead 88-82 with 1:38 left in the game and I posted in the chat room that the first team to 90 would win. Well most of us thought the game was over, but two 3 pointers by Joe Johnson and BS call for 3 ft by Josh Smith and lo and behold, we were tied:frusty:

Well finally Flip draws up a play that he could have run for the past 2 seasons: drive to the hoop and see if CB get's bailed out like Kobe, AI, Magic, Wade, Jordan and Rumeal Robinson:), have done a thousand times and win the game at the line...afterall, you have been in the top 5 FT% wise the last six years...Last year this play would have been some ill advised 3 point bomb:sssh:, that would have missed and we would be in OT.

I will wait for the official Leecap and Hogblog for the in game excitement!!!

Atlanta is going to be very good. We all know that Woodson is competent and now he has some real horses on that team. Gotta find out when they play Golden State, that'll be fun to watch.

This team is deep and versatile, Flip is going to have to burn the midnight oil this season. There are so many possibilities with this team that it's scary, Flip is going to really have to do an outstanding coaching job this year, especially if Stuckey and Amir can deliver what of what we overhyped-up pistons forum fans expect.

Pistons bench is looking good this year. Jarvis Hayes impresses the most. Does he remind anyone of Corliss Williamson? He just looks like he means business out there, like Corliss did for this team. Plus he scores from the post, which this team needs, as Sheed is too inconsistent and tempermental. R. Flip Murray...what an enigma this guy is. Some nights he shows extreme talent, other nights (like tonight) he can't stop dribbling the ball off his foot. JMaxx...I worry about this guy. I think he needs to turn it down a notch to be more effective and avoid injury. He's at 120% all the time...missing dunks, hitting the floor, busting his hands up...dude is gonna wear himself out or get hurt. McDyess playing great defense but not much else...guess he is adjusting to being a starter...Lil Bo Peep on offense. I sooo wish he would start driving to the basket.

I liked the flow of the games when Tayshaun was being more aggressive and scoring like he was with Rip out...good things always happen when Tayshaun is aggressive. He's a wild card imo...he needs to play big this year. He could be a top 10 player if he played to his potential consistently. Not impressed with Sheed's 'new attitude' thus far...same old inconsistent player. I think he's the best defensive player we have, but offensively nonchalant and detrimental teamwise.

Everything looked good from the beginning until the subs came into the game. Murray was his usual erratic self, Nazr couldn't keep up, and Hayes couldn't hit his shots. The starters returned but couldn't stop the snowball effect and the deficit kept growing. Also, they didn't play good D allowing Atlanta uncontested layups and wide-open shots. The defense got better in the second half, but offense was stagnant. Then for some reason when Hayes and Murray came into the game (less Nazr) for the second time they played a lot better. They gave the main guys the rest and closed the gap somewhat. Then the starters came in and finished the deal. Everything started with playing D. That got the offense going as well. J-Max was the guy who kept the Pistons reasonably close with his boards and blocked shots and chipped in offensively as well.
Things I didn't like:
- when reserves came in in the first half the offense just stalled
- Tay played too many minutes in the 1st half and his shots were coming up short
- Sheed shot a bit too fast instead of taking his time while posting up
- Dyess was useless on the offense in the first half
Things I did like:
- The D was good in the 4th
- JMax made another case for more playing time
- Starters ended up with more manageable minutes than I've expected after the 1st half
- Hayes looked good playing with starters, I think that's where his main strength is going to be since if he's on the court with starters he's not going to be heavily guarded
- Murray played a lot more under control in the 2nd half and contributed
- The final play - a drive to the basket instead of a forced 3-pointer (looks like Pistons are learning after all)

Pistons ended up with 1 more point than Hawks and it's all that matters. I just hope that starters will get their minutes reduced a bit.

The middle 2 Qs were regular old stodgy Pistons basketball. Much lower tempo.

I stand by my question, that we might need to move one of our perimeter starters to the bench.

Totally agree.

I wish people would realize that Sheed is not, never has been, and never will be an offensive force. I know it's frustrating because he has soooo much talent- but that's just not his game. Sheed is at his best when scoring 13-17pts. Tonight dude was just OFF, but he was clearly one of our better defensive players on the floor tonight, as per usual.

This is a game where Tay and Sheed were flat out OFF!!! Chauncey's shot and decision making were suspect at best tonight. Now that's 3 of our 5 starters not on top of their offensive game tonight and another (Dyess) playing like a scared little u-no-wut on the offensive end for 3.75 qtrs. And we're playing a team that for the last two seasons have been giving us fits and L's. But we won, I know some are mad we didn't blow out a lottery team. I am seeing a win that we would not have gotten at all last season. I am seeing how playing a young'n, adding a new young'n (Hayes) and playing the bench helped us get this win. 4/5's of the starters playing shaky and we still win, that's what depth and youth will do for you.

Nice first post, Asterix, welcome to the board.

Pistons bench is looking good this year. Jarvis Hayes impresses the most. Does he remind anyone of Corliss Williamson? He just looks like he means business out there, like Corliss did for this team. Plus he scores from the post, which this team needs, as Sheed is too inconsistent and tempermental.

Jarvis does look good, but I wouldn't expect much post scoring from him. He scored down low tonight when he was matched up with the miniscule Tyronn Lue. It was good to see, and Hayes did the right thing when the chances were there--take advantage of the smaller defender by posting him up--but I don't think he'll get opportunities like that very often.

Nice first post, Asterix, welcome to the board.



Jarvis does look good, but I wouldn't expect much post scoring from him. He scored down low tonight when he was matched up with the miniscule Tyronn Lue. It was good to see, and Hayes did the right thing when the chances were there--take advantage of the smaller defender by posting him up--but I don't think he'll get opportunities like that very often.
Talk about a coaching blunder, 6'8" vs 5'11", just give us 2pts why dont'cha. But it was good to see Hayes, who is primarily a jump shooter, very eager to take a little one into the post and punish him.

My daughter is now 25-0. She still has not attended a Piston loss in the regular season. (The only loss she has been to was in the 2004 finals, but we won the series.)

Good to see lots of writeups already posted. I always read what everyone posted before doing my report. No look at the boxscore though -this is from my memory, which is fading after a long trip home. Man, what happened to Sunday 6pm starts?

The Pistons came out with lots of energy, often running, and often scoring on a fast break. That was mostly Tay and Rip running together. I heard the stat on the way home, 20 fast break points, a lot for a Piston team.

Our starters had a 20-10 lead, and the soon after that, the bench came in. What a disaster. Flip could stay in front of nobody, and with guys like "I absolutely will not move" Mohammed behind him it was pure disaster. Hayes was in there too and we really needed someone quicker. Prince was running the point, and JMAX was in there. But as good as Prince and JMAX are on D, thats only two players. Not enough. Not hardly.

Saunders made an adjustment in the 2nd half. No Mohammed, who was in the game why? There is no Shaq on Atlanta last I checked. And he rested Rip early, bringing him on with the 2nd unit to start the 4th quarter. Our bench, with Murray, Rip, Hayes, Dyess, and JMAX did just fine in the 2nd half. They started with a deficit and pretty much tied it up at one point.
For the game, Murray was part of some success in the 2nd half, but he was a turnover machine, either by bad shots, or just fumbling the ball away. At least though he was mostly fumbling the ball while being aggressive toward the basket. At least he was just not wasting time dribbling. Still, can't say he had much of any kind of game tonight. Six points.

Dyess did not score in the first half. Nor shoot the ball as I recall anyway. But he gave up quite a few points inside by not getting over fast enough. He made a couple of buckets in the 2nd half, gave up some more points inside. He did get a lot of rebounds though. And for the game, instead of shooting he was generally trying to work around the basket, or making a pass inside. His presence around the basket was positive, and he should do that more.

Hayes hit no outside shots tonight, but came up big in the 2nd half posting up around the basket. This included a huge bucket posting up Lue in crunch time and another basket a moment or two later. He also had a fast break score. Hayes ended up playing nearly all the 4th quarter. He went out for just a moment if favor of Tay with about 4 minutes to go in the game, but Rip fouled out right then and back in he came. So here we were with Tay in the backcourt with Billups, Hayes at small forward, Dyess and Sheed for the bigs. It worked well enough for a one point win.

With the score tied, Billups drives in and gets a call. I guarantee you, that call has not went Billups way too often when we needed it. But it did tonight. Atlanta had no time outs, so Billups made one, and maybe (I assume) missed the 2nd, starting the clock with I think 1.7 seconds left and the ball right under our basket. No way they could get the ball down the floor for a decent shot. I think they ended up shooting a late and way off target midcourt shot.
For the game, Billups did hit some outside shots, but he sure kept up the theme of going inside early and often just like the first two games. Got to love it. About 22 points?
Rip? What can you say. Just automatic tonight on his midrangers, and man can he run the open court. 21 points. (Got this from the post game show driving home.)

Tay was not as aggressive this game. But hey, with Rip lighting it up, what can you expect. Plus its his 3rd game in 4 nights, all fairly heavy minutes. Still, he scored in transition, made some shots from the outside, and helped guard their star. (Joe Johnson. But Rip did most of that.)

Afflalo played briefly, about 3 minutes. He took and missed one very contested shot on a catch and shoot spotting up. Not much else to say, except, no I can't believe he could have done any worse than Murray if he had gotten those minutes.

JMAX was the star of this game really. 15 points, 4 blocks, 8 rebounds, and at least 7 times where he helped get us a 2nd shot by fighting for the board (This includes his several offensive rebounds, a couple of taps to teammates, and being right there under the basket helping a teammate by boxing out for him) I don't know the count, but we had to have slaughtered them on 2nd chance points, and that was mostly JMAX. JMAX did not hit an outside shot. He shot just 1-2 at the line. Everything he did pretty much was post up moves. Pretty awesome stuff.

Sheed posted up enough for my liking. I don't think he hit a three out of a few tries. Some good D, but just not nearly as spectacular as JMAX.

Amir did not play. Yes, he should have. Thats a DNP for Amir for no reason at all. I do not like it.

Samb is the guy that did not dress. Dupree did not play. Hunter did not play.
GO PISTONS!!!!! 3-0

Good writeup, Lee. I thought it would be good strategy for Billups to miss the second free throw intentionally. In an interview after the game, though, Chauncey said he was trying to make it.

We would have lost this game the last two years. Clearly, this team is going to be deep.

Sheed has to be the most underated defensive player in the league.

Good writeup, Lee. I thought it would be good strategy for Billups to miss the second free throw intentionally. In an interview after the game, though, Chauncey said he was trying to make it.

Yeah, it looked pretty darn close to going in. I was sitting directly behind the basket, in the upper bowl (4th row). So I was looking thru the glass. The reason I thought it might be intentional is that it barely crawled out, giving Atlanta the longest possible distance to the other end. But if that was an intentional miss, Billups would have to be one darn accurate free throw tosser. Oh, he is. Well, maybe he was trying, but maybe he did not really care if it went in.

I wasn't able to see the game, but was just checking out the box score and a few things jumped out at me:

Dice only had 2 FG attempts in 28 minutes. Ouch. Way to be assertive there big guy.

Nice stat line from Nazr. It's pretty bad when Super DNP has a better stat line than you. Granted, Dupree didn't play in the game, but he didn't go 0-1 with a tech, turnover and foul in 4 minutes either.

Nice to see the "undersized" J-Max was able to get 4 blocks and 8 boards. I'll take hustle and heart over height any day of the week. (See Darko "Tin Man" Milicic)

It's nice to have our sharp shooter back. I'll take 10 of 15 with 5 dimes and 4 boards from Rip any night.

Amir did not play. Yes, he should have. Thats a DNP for Amir for no reason at all. I do not like it.

Samb is the guy that did not dress. Dupree did not play. Hunter did not play.
GO PISTONS!!!!! 3-0

I was wondering about Amir as well. Perfect game to put him in. I hope it's a case of his still recovering from the injury.

I was wondering about Amir as well. Perfect game to put him in. I hope it's a case of his still recovering from the injury.




Also, all Piston games that were broadcast on LEAGUE Pass via Fox Sports Net are rebroadcast at 2AM EST (which is 11PM for us out west.) on the Fox Sports Detroit channel (636 FSD on Direct Tv.) The game replay just started for those who missed it earlier and can find their FSN.. normally this channel would be blocked out for us non FSN out of market folks.

I slowly start to doubt FlipM is going to find a way to keep the starters minutes (except Dyess' minutes) low this season.

It was the 3rd game in 4 nights which had to make this one tough for the guys who have been logging heavy mins. Probably why the defense lagged at times.

nice win. My only complaint is the inconsistancy in the calls between halfs. Not calling anything in the 1st half and practically everything down the stretch. Great awarness by Billups to just take it inside on the last play and get the call. With the crap Atl got the play before it was almost a guarantee that CB would get the call.

Tough on Sheed to face all these Centers. Shaq then Howard then Horford who was the 3rd pick in the draft. Horford is still rough but very athletic. Have to remind myself as a Piston fan that some teams actually play their top prospects so they will get better and improve the team. MIA for Amir?

Tough on Sheed to face all these Centers.

No credit for McDyess?

:mmph:

He frequently gets the majority of time against the likes of Howard and Shaq while Rasheed plays the quicker guys like Lewis.

Yes, they trade off alot, but Dyess for some reason always gets underrated as a post defender.

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No credit for McDyess?

:mmph:

He frequently gets the majority of time against the likes of Howard and Shaq while Rasheed plays the quicker guys like Lewis.

Yes, they trade off alot, but Dyess for some reason always gets underrated as a post defender.



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:):):):):) I'm better now.

I agree. I have been harping on Dyess' defense alot, but he has shown so far to be a valuable player when it comes to guarding opposing centers. He does lack speed in general, but strictly as a center, he is quick enough.

We started out the 4th quarter strongly trapping them, and Rip and Flip were the two guys doing most of the work on that. Thats part of how we went 9-0 right there to tie the game.

Atlanta helped out the Pistons by NOT calling timeout after the Billups miss. I wonder what happened there. Call timeout and set up a play. Saw the box and noticed Acie Law was +11. How long will it be until he starts?

Atlanta helped out the Pistons by NOT calling timeout after the Billups miss. I wonder what happened there. Call timeout and set up a play. Saw the box and noticed Acie Law was +11. How long will it be until he starts?

The Hawks were out of timeouts.

yeah they asked that on the NBA TV recap about not calling a timeout, and then blamed josh smith and said he wasn't a smart player...but the hawks had no timeouts.

the game was fun to be at. the palace has this HUGE sign/banner commemorating the 50th anniversary of the pistons, and you can see it from the highway, and it was later lit up by a bat-signal light. they finally have a new intro and a pre-intro which are pretty good, showing the various pistons over the last 50 years. also, instead of someone taking a sledgehammer to the other team's logo and making the loud POP with the flames when it hits, they now have maxiell doing a power dunk and the loud noise happening as he slams it home.

the crowd was great for a regular season game and stayed into it most of the time, and it actually looked like a sellout (although people in the row in front of us never bothered to show up). they gave away some spiffy hats, and there's some new souvenir cups which are neat, as when you turn it the players morph from like dumars to chauncey, and so on. automotion is up to 19 dancers instead of 17 (yay!). there was an inordinate amount of overweight fans, as well as 'top-heavy' ladies. the halftime show was probably the worst i've ever seen, with 4 guys on big stilts dancing around to fruity songs and doing nothing else (how they made it on 'amercia's got talent', i'll never know), but at least that prevented the hawks from warming up longer before the 2nd half started.

as for the store, there's a couple different jersey types that they sell. the higher quality ones only have specific players that you can purchase - usually the starters. last year it was rip/tay/sheed/chauncey, and webber when he showed up. this year? the usual 4, and MAXIELL, not dyess. max must have gotten so many requests that they added his jersey. people love him, and with good reason.

now onto the game. most people have brought up the main points, so i'll try not to rehash too much. maxiell's dunk on the fast break brought the entire crowd to their feet, and was also the 'Dunk of the Night' on NBA.com (had the link to paste but that's at home). sheed was basically toying with the atlanta forwards all game. when atlanta guys would try to post him up, he'd just knock the ball away as they were dribbling, over and over again. he has to be the most underrated defender in the league (agreeing with a previous poster). flip murray was totally selfish tonight, which is probably the danger of scoring 19 points the game before. he cost us at least 4-5 possessions in both the first and second half, and re-watching the game on TV confirmed it. how many times are you going to dribble in the lane and lose the ball? or let your defender blow by you? or clang a jumpshot off the rim? or not pass on a 2-on-1 fast break? hopefully flip won't be running the point anymore when stuckey gets back.

nice game by hayes - his outside shot wasn't working so he went to the post, and showed he has a nice game down-low, especially posting up WNBA, err i mean lue. i also like using him as a backup for rip down the stretch and having a big lineup of chauncey/hayes/tay/dice/sheed (i mentioned before the game that i figured hayes would see time as rip's backup this year). dice didn't have the greatest 1st half, but was awesome in the 2nd, playing great defense and ripping down boards. maybe his bad 1st half/great 2nd half is being applied not only to entire seasons but to single games as well.

maxiell was an absolute animal tonight. atlanta had absolutely NO ONE who could check him. he posted up horford twice and scored easily both times. he blocked 4 shots and altered more. he manned the paint and gave up nothing easy. that first dunk was sick, and then after he hurt his hand on the rim on the defensive end (looking like he might've broken it), he comes right back down the court and gets a 1-handed jam. for all of atlanta's high draft picks on forwards, i'd take maxiell over any of them (well, horford looks like a nice player and he's a rook so it remains to be seen what kind of player he'll become).

i really enjoy how the ref's let them play tonight - it definitely helps us as we're physical defenders, and sheed doesn't get as upset. i think the NBA might be telling refs to call fewer fouls to speed the game up and give it a better flow. there were some very weird calls in the 2nd half. the last 2 possessions - sheed shouldn't have left his feet (c'mon, let josh smith shoot that 3-ball, he was 4-17 and can't shoot, and you already denied joe johnson the shot), so it was a foul, and on the other end chauncey was definitely fouled too. good job driving the lane instead of pulling up for a long 3 (*cough* cleveland series *cough*).

as for atlanta, josh smith can LEAP. twice tayshaun went in for what looked like easy scores, and smith rejected him hard. acie law is going to be starting within a month or two, as you actually have to respect his jumpshot, and he looks very controlled and poised. he's quicker than advertised, but not fast. horford is solid. joe johnson is a sweet shooter. with all that said, atlanta will never contend for a title with its current lineup, but they can make some noise in the east and even make the playoffs. they have a chance every night not only because they're athletic, but because they are playing very good defense. they're active, don't over-gamble, get in your face, and do very very well denying entry passes into the post. if they keep that up all year they could sneak into the playoffs or even win their division...no joke.

Awesome re-cap, Hog. I like hearing about the Palace store stocking up on Brahma jerseys.

No credit for McDyess?

:mmph:

He frequently gets the majority of time against the likes of Howard and Shaq while Rasheed plays the quicker guys like Lewis.

Yes, they trade off alot, but Dyess for some reason always gets underrated as a post defender.

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:):):):):) I'm better now.


You have to consider that Sheed is playing starter mins while Dyess is still playing bench type mins even though he is starting. That extra 10 or so MPG makes a difference in this kind of stretch.

You have to consider that Sheed is playing starter mins while Dyess is still playing bench type mins even though he is starting. That extra 10 or so MPG makes a difference in this kind of stretch.
It sure does. But with the good play by J-Max and Amir getting healthy, Sheed's minutes should go down to about 30 a game.

Good Hogcap.

From what I remember Sheed didn't even leave his feet on that last "foul". And the call on Chauncey was questionable...a makeup call?

Woodsen wasn't happy about it.

Good Hogcap.

From what I remember Sheed didn't even leave his feet on that last "foul". And the call on Chauncey was questionable...a makeup call?

Woodsen wasn't happy about it.
There were a few head scratchers, as usual. Refs won't get 'm all correct.

Good Hogcap.

From what I remember Sheed didn't even leave his feet on that last "foul". And the call on Chauncey was questionable...a makeup call?

Woodsen wasn't happy about it.

Smith did lean into Sheed a bit to draw the foul, but I definitely remember Sheed leaving his feet on that play. I also thought there was plenty of contact on the last call that CB got.

The worst refereeing of the night was on the two plays where Rip got his 5th and 6th fouls. Those were both horrible calls.

The worst refereeing of the night was on the two plays where Rip got his 5th and 6th fouls. Those were both horrible calls.

I Wonder if he lost a little respect from the Refs with all of those techs he racked up last year.

I'd say calls on Rip were borderline ticky-tack. There is enough contact on virtually every play to call a foul. At least those were not of the phantom variety.

Rip's 6th foul was ridiculous. The Atlanta guy grabbed his arm and pulled him...and Rip gets the foul.

On the last huddle before CB sank the winning free throw..did anyone hear Sheed yell, ""Let me take it", or something like that as they broke the huddle? Maybe that type of thing is what get's him the publicity about calling his own plays.

Rip's 6th foul was ridiculous. The Atlanta guy grabbed his arm and pulled him...and Rip gets the foul.

On the last huddle before CB sank the winning free throw..did anyone hear Sheed yell, ""Let me take it", or something like that as they broke the huddle? Maybe that type of thing is what get's him the publicity about calling his own plays.
Maybe that's what it is, but unfortunately Sheed has been pretty bad for the Pistons taking the last shot (other than that lucky heave against Denver). I don't think the team would want him with the ball in the final moments of the game. He's not been making good decisions out there with the ball.

IMO, none of the foul calls were as egregious as the over-the-back take down of J-Max that left him laying on the floor with the foul called on him.


That one was upsetting for sure.

I think both sides could have felt ripped off with some of the calls.

The Sheed call was weak b/c the offensive player was initiating the contact, but it was not really an incorrect call.

On the Chauncey call, there wasn't much contact and it was a pretty clean block, until after the shot when the defender seemed to pull CB to the ground. Not sure how we'd feel about that one if it were Wade getting the call for game winning FT's.

But yeah, the JMax one was the worst.


Also, we seemed to get very lucky in the 4th quarter with Atlanta shots that were in, but somehow popped out.

I think both sides could have felt ripped off with some of the calls.

The Sheed call was weak b/c the offensive player was initiating the contact, but it was not really an incorrect call.

On the Chauncey call, there wasn't much contact and it was a pretty clean block, until after the shot when the defender seemed to pull CB to the ground. Not sure how we'd feel about that one if it were Wade getting the call for game winning FT's.

But yeah, the JMax one was the worst.


Also, we seemed to get very lucky in the 4th quarter with Atlanta shots that were in, but somehow popped out.
Bottom line: the better team won.
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Bottom line: the better team won.
:stirthepot:


That's Twu as Lili Von Shtupp (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0010018/) would say, :makmiday:but we still need to play better at home and get home cookin where appropriate. Last season we lost 15 home games and most to a bunch of scrub teams because the players weren't motivated enough. (We only lost 4 or 5 in the 05/06 season).

I know Flip is still trying to acclimate the new team members, but they looked listless out there for stretch between the second qtr and third where they were getting outhustled and were not being agressive enough. The refs will give the calls to the agressive team. When you are at home, play with enthusiasm for the fans that paid top dollar and not play with the "don't worry we will get them in the 4th attitude.":stirthepot:

by the way nice hogblog...wish I was there..

That's Twu as Lili Von Shtupp (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0010018/) would say, :makmiday:but we still need to play better at home and get home cookin where appropriate. Last season we lost 15 home games and most to a bunch of scrub teams because the players weren't motivated enough. (We only lost 4 or 5 in the 05/06 season).

I know Flip is still trying to acclimate the new team members, but they looked listless out there for stretch between the second qtr and third where they were getting outhustled and were not being agressive enough. The refs will give the calls to the agressive team. When you are at home, play with enthusiasm for the fans that paid top dollar and not play with the "don't worry we will get them in the 4th attitude.":stirthepot:

by the way nice hogblog...wish I was there..

I always wonder about our effort vs Atlanta. Mike Woodson, their head coach was a real popular guy among our players when he was here and a lot of those key players then are still our key players now. Also, because the Hawks have really struggled since he has been head coach there. So I wonder if our guys don't subconsciously tend to take it a little easier on him. Just a thought.

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I always wonder about our effort vs Atlanta. Mike Woodson, their head coach was a real popular guy among our players when he was here and a lot of those key players then are still our key players now. Also, because the Hawks have really struggled since he has been head coach there. So I wonder if our guys don't subconsciously tend to take it a little easier on him. Just a thought.

:hoops:
As long as it is not "flipping the switch thing", I am OK with whatever it is.

I slowly start to doubt FlipM is going to find a way to keep the starters minutes (except Dyess' minutes) low this season.

Is FlipM controlling the minutes now? I can never keep up with these zany Pistons. :pound::pound::pound: