It takes cajones to be a new player on a team with AI and call your own number. It was cool to see.

Big gamble for him.

With the Magic struggling recently--4-6 in their last 10 games, getting spanked by Utah at home tonight by 19 points--the top of the East is settling into a clear pattern at the top, with the Pistons 4 losses behind Boston and Orlando 3 losses behind Detroit. Maybe things can tighten up a bit once Boston finally starts playing some road games out West.

Nazmo put up 20-14 and had four blocks as the Bobcats won their second straight beating first the Jazz and then the Knicks tonight with Mohammad starting....MJ must have known something and was wiiling to pay for it

With the Magic struggling recently--4-6 in their last 10 games, getting spanked by Utah at home tonight by 19 points--the top of the East is settling into a clear pattern at the top, with the Pistons 4 losses behind Boston and Orlando 3 losses behind Detroit. Maybe things can tighten up a bit once Boston finally starts playing some road games out West.

Ron Jeremy's post game conference after the Utah loss was Classic material. Heck there have been a few times where I wish Flip Jr would go off like that.

Gots to give some serious props to the Hawks and Trailblazers, they are doing some great things as of late. Portland is for real, shows what happens when you play in a very good conference, the high level competition makes you play harder and eventually better. Just think, we could have had Nate Mc instead of Flip..............stay tuned, it may work out after all.

Gots to give some serious props to the Hawks and Trailblazers, they are doing some great things as of late. Portland is for real, shows what happens when you play in a very good conference, the high level competition makes you play harder and eventually better. Just think, we could have had Nate Mc instead of Flip..............stay tuned, it may work out after all.

I don't think he will ever leave the Great Northwest, as long as he can find work there unless it is to go back to North Carolina

He has played and coached his entire pro career in the Great Northwest. It seems highly unlikely that he will ever coach in Detroit.

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I don't think he will ever leave the Great Northwest, as long as he can find work there unless it is to go back to North Carolina

He has played and coached his entire pro career in the Great Northwest. It seems highly unlikely that he will ever coach in Detroit.

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Didn't he want the Pistons job that year?

I remember reading that he was waiting it out, and then it was taking too long so he took the PORT job. Some speculated that Flip was already the replacement before Brown was officially fired anyway, and Nate found that out.

Didn't he want the Pistons job that year?

I remember reading that he was waiting it out, and then it was taking too long so he took the PORT job. Some speculated that Flip was already the replacement before Brown was officially fired anyway, and Nate found that out.

You could be correct.

What I do know is two years ago Seattle offered McMillan $4.5 million to remain with them and he took $6 million to go to Portland.


Allen Stays With Seattle; Detroit Waits on Brown

By LIZ ROBBINS
Published: July 6, 2005

While the premier free agent Ray Allen took himself off the market yesterday, Larry Brown's status remained unclear.

The Detroit Pistons continued to wait for Brown's agent to tell them if Brown would be healthy enough to coach next season even as the free-agent landscape is beginning to take shape.

Allen, a shooting guard, agreed to re-sign with the Seattle SuperSonics for a five-year deal worth $80 million, and an extra $5 million in bonuses, his agent, Lon Babby, said yesterday. With the team's franchise player returning, it would seem likely that Seattle Coach Nate McMillan would also return.

McMillan has been offered a multiyear $6 million contract to coach in Portland, while the Sonics have offered $4.5 million, according to a Western Conference executive who spoke last week on condition of anonymity because no deal had been completed. McMillan was expected to give the Sonics an answer as soon as today.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/06/sports/basketball/06nba.html

We hired Flipper two weeks later. So it could be that Dr. D and Mr. D were talking with McMillan about becoming our head coach but like you said McMillan got tired of waiting and took the Portland job 2 weeks before we hired Flipper.

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Bulls get creamed again.

This time at home to Houston.

I can not believe that we have lost our only 2 games so far against the Bulls this season.

NBA - Houston Rockets/Chicago Bulls Box Score Saturday December 22, 2007 - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2007122204)

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Yeah, the Bulls, WTF...it's really looking bad for them. From a quick glance at another blog, it looks like their fans have given up on this group and are all calling for Skiles' head.

Then again, an outside observer might not be able to tell much of a difference between that and this forum most of the time... :laugh:

Yeah, the Bulls, WTF...it's really looking bad for them. From a quick glance at another blog, it looks like their fans have given up on this group and are all calling for Skiles' head.

Then again, an outside observer might not be able to tell much of a difference between that and this forum most of the time... :laugh:

I don't know if I would ever call for Skiles head being that it is as ugly as it is. LOL

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Kobe just became the youngest player in NBA history to reach 20,000 points.

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Kobe just became the youngest player in NBA history to reach 20,000 points.

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Kobe is youngest to score 20,000 points as Lakers win

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Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant (24) embraces New York Knicks guard Jamal Crawford (11) after the Lakers' 95-90 victory in an NBA basketball game at Madison Square Garden in New York, Sunday, Dec. 23, 2007. Bryant was the high scorer for the Lakers with 39 points, while Crawford scored 31 for the Knicks. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

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Points: 39
Reb: 11
Ast: 8
Stl: 2
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Reb: 4
Ast: 2
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NEW YORK (AP) -- From the jawing with Spike Lee and Chris Rock to the postgame news conference with his daughters on his lap, Kobe Bryant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3118) enjoyed every minute of his return to Madison Square Garden.
Youngest to 20,000
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Kobe Bryant eclipsed Wilt Chamberlain in NBA history as the youngest player to 20,000 points Sunday.
Player Years-Days Kobe Bryant 29-122 Wilt Chamberlain 29-134 Michael Jordan 29-326 Oscar Robertson 30-97 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 30-342 30 players are in the 20,000-Point Club: 18 are in the Basketball Hall of Fame; 10 are not yet eligible. Only eligible players not in Hall: Tom Chambers, Adrian Dantley. Making history made it even better.Bryant scored 39 points, becoming the youngest player in NBA history to reach 20,000, and the Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal) held off the New York Knicks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=nyk) 95-90 Sunday.Bryant added 11 rebounds and eight assists in his first game at the Garden in nearly two years. His 3-pointer in the opening minute of the third quarter allowed him to reach the milestone at 29 years, 122 days.



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Kobe just became the youngest player in NBA history to reach 20,000 points.

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Kobe is youngest to score 20,000 points as Lakers win

NEW YORK (AP) -- From the jawing with Spike Lee and Chris Rock to the postgame news conference with his daughters on his lap, Kobe Bryant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3118) enjoyed every minute of his return to Madison Square Garden.
Youngest to 20,000
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Kobe Bryant eclipsed Wilt Chamberlain in NBA history as the youngest player to 20,000 points Sunday.

Player Years-Days

Kobe Bryant 29-122
Wilt Chamberlain 29-134
Michael Jordan 29-326
Oscar Robertson 30-97
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 30-342

30 players are in the 20,000-Point Club: 18 are in the Basketball Hall of Fame; 10 are not yet eligible. Only eligible players not in Hall: Tom Chambers, Adrian Dantley.

Making history made it even better.Bryant scored 39 points, becoming the youngest player in NBA history to reach 20,000, and the Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal) held off the New York Knicks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=nyk) 95-90 Sunday.Bryant added 11 rebounds and eight assists in his first game at the Garden in nearly two years. His 3-pointer in the opening minute of the third quarter allowed him to reach the milestone at 29 years, 122 days.

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On the rocks
Of course, the major news in Utah, other than the Jazz's losing skid, is the on-going rocky relationship between Jerry Sloan and Gordan Giricek. Sloan kicked Giricek off the bench in a loss in Charlotte last Wednesday and then sent him home for the rest of the trip. Giricek, in the final year of his deal, will most likely be traded.


Giricek's crime, and he's a repeat offender, is breaking off plays to generate his own offense. That is intolerable to Sloan, as former Piston and exiled Jazz guard Carlos Arroyo found out.


"(Jazz assistant) Phil Johnson said, 'Gordan Giricek is the most talented player on this team. But he won't do what he's supposed to do,'" Miller said on his radio show. "I think there are teams in the league that like the very things we don't like."


Does this remind anyone of Murray?

Miller calls out ex-Piston Okur for disappearing act (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071224/SPORTS0102/712240312/1127)

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Lakers are hangers-on, again


They fritter away almost all of a 25-point third-quarter lead but hold on to beat Knicks and finish 3-1 on trip.

By Mike Bresnahan, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
December 24, 2007

NEW YORK -- The Lakers were almost caught with their Madison Square guard down.

"I kind of feel like we lost today," Bynum said. "It's got to stop. We keep getting these leads and then we just kind of coast and other teams come back. I think we've given away three or four games this season. We're not going to make it to the next level until we're able to actually keep our foot on somebody's neck.
Heh Drew; just don't leave any foot prints. LOL

Sign Up (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers24dec24,1,4866884.story?coll=la-headlines-sports&ctrack=2&cset=truehttp://)

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Lakers looked good against the Setting Suns.

Another career high in points for Drew 28 mostly on dunks, in 42 minutes.

Could be that the Setting Suns have missed their window to win a ring.

When they are forced to use Skinner for 22 minutes like they did today, you know that they are getting desperate. It appears to me that all of their main guys have already peaked and a ring for this group of Suns is looking like a long shot at best.

NBA - Phoenix Suns/Los Angeles Lakers Box Score Tuesday December 25, 2007 - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2007122513)

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The Lakers are a little scary. The supporting cast looks pretty confident. Kobe was really looking to dump it off to AB down low.

Dallas lost to the Cavs. They were out of it, no passion, no cohesiveness. It looks like they're reeling from last year.

Still early, but the Spurs aren't looking like they have much competition this year.

Dallas lost to the Cavs. They were out of it, no passion, no cohesiveness. It looks like they're reeling from last year.

Everytime I watch the Cavs I wonder, How and the ^$# did we lose to them??? It spews a Flip Hatred that I try to keep dormant. Watching the Cavs play really spins me into emergency Psycho-Therapy sessions.

Everytime I watch the Cavs I wonder, How and the ^$# did we lose to them??? It spews a Flip Hatred that I try to keep dormant. Watching the Cavs play really spins me into emergency Psycho-Therapy sessions.

I know how you feel LOL. I still actually have never watched Game 6. I pretend it never happened.

Celtics and Sonics close at half time.

Zero Celtics turnovers in the first half. Clearly that either is a new NBA record or ties the record.

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Celtics and Sonics close at half time.

Zero Celtics turnovers in the first half. Clearly that either is a new NBA record or ties the record.

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I believe we had a few games with 2 turnovers total. I bet they don't beat that record.

Celtics get all the calls in the 4th and keep Seattle from getting too close.

Celtics get all the calls in the 4th and keep Seattle from getting too close.

Celtics get the calls?

You must be kidding.

That never happens. LOL

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Orlando's quick start this season, and crappy results of late, might both be explained in part by Jameer Nelson starting the season well but sucking badly in the last few weeks. Apparently SVG is openly considering benching him (http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071227/SPORTS/712270324/1002/SPORTS).

Orlando's quick start this season, and crappy results of late, might both be explained in part by Jameer Nelson starting the season well but sucking badly in the last few weeks. Apparently SVG is openly considering benching him (http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071227/SPORTS/712270324/1002/SPORTS).
For whom? Do they have someone better? Here comes Carlos Arroyo.

Celtics get the calls?

You must be kidding.

That never happens. LOL

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I must be, especially since Seattle didn't really react.

I know how you feel LOL. I still actually have never watched Game 6. I pretend it never happened.

Actually game 5 was the one you don't want to watch. (It was King James crowning moment, and hopefully that was his absolute peek!) That is the OT game at home that the Pistons actually led before letting LaBron score about 25+points in a row:yellowprison:. After that, the Pistons had no chance in game 6 and came out flat let some boob named Gibson beat them...

For whom? Do they have someone better? Here comes Carlos Arroyo.


Well, Damon Jones might like a shot at it

Rumors - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors)

It is not clear why Jones refused, but maybe it was because his overall playing time has been reduced for the past two seasons and probably because he asked the Cavs for a trade in the off-season and they have not accommodated his request.

Nelson is still starting for Orlando...at least for tonight, in Miami.

Mychal Thompson Laker's commentators cracked a couple of good ones in the first quarter.

1. Why would anyone throw an ally-oop to Okur? He can't even jump over a credit card.

2. Utah's interior defense is softer than a fluffed up feather pillow.

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And we thought the Pistons 64 pt first half was dominant tonight???? The Lakers put up 75!! The Lakers and Clippers are going in opposite directions real fast and all of the local respect the Clips gained the past 2 years has gone out the window with the Livingston and Brand on the shelf and Sam E.T Cassell playing in between injuries....

And we thought the Pistons 64 pt first half was dominant tonight???? The Lakers put up 75!! The Lakers and Clippers are going in opposite directions real fast and all of the local respect the Clips gained the past 2 years has gone out the window with the Livingston and Brand on the shelf and Sam E.T Cassell playing in between injuries....

Why do we have such trouble with the Jazz. Other teams must run the pick and roll against us. We can stop them. Why can't be beat the Jazz?

Kwame messed up on the receiving end of a couple of ally-oops. The Lakers players glared at him, like WTF can't you successfully execute a simple ally-oop. I think Bynum has spoiled them. LOL

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Brutal loss for the Spurs tonight, as Toronto beat them 83-73 in San Antonio. Manu is out with a finger injury, but Duncan and Parker both played, and yet the Spurs shot 32% from the floor with 19 turnovers! Parker had 7 TOs, Duncan 5. Yikes.

Lakers at 96 points with almost 16 minutes left.

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The Lakers must have their baskets mic'd.

You can really hear it when someone flushes it.

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T-blazers extend their winning streak to a dozen as they beat up on the hapless t-wolves who are 0-21 when they don't score over 100 points.

With sixers at home Sunday and then the defensless Jazz, twolves again, and Bulls on the road, and then back home with the jazz again and then warriors, they could conceivably stretch their winning streak out to 18 games until they meet up with the Raptors in Toronto on Jan 13. What would happen if Oden actually came back in late March??

Portland gets the Jazz twice more that soon? They've already beaten Utah twice in their current win streak.

T-blazers extend their winning streak to a dozen as they beat up on the hapless t-wolves who are 0-21 when they don't score over 100 points.

With sixers at home Sunday and then the defensless Jazz, twolves again, and Bulls on the road, and then back home with the jazz again and then warriors, they could conceivably stretch their winning streak out to 18 games until they meet up with the Raptors in Toronto on Jan 13. What would happen if Oden actually came back in late March??

9 of those wins have been at home.

They beat Utah in Salt Lake. Nothing great about that. The Lakers are up over 30 against the Jazz after 3 quarters tonight.

They also beat Denver in Denver which is a good win.

Still 9 of the 11 wins have been at home, but bottom line is that you still have to win whether at home or on the road so 11 in the row is an excellent accomplishment, but lets see what happens on Dec 31st at Utah followed by road games at MN and the Bulls.

I don't think that they will all of these, especially at Chicago.



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Ten teams with the best records so far for December

Trail Blazers 12-1
Celtics 11-1 (only lost to the Pistons)
Pistons 13-2
Lakers 9-3
Hawks 9-3 (2 of the losses to the Pistons)
Nuggets 8-4
Hornets 8-4 (one loss to the Pistons)
Suns 9-5
Warriors 9-6 (one loss to the Pistons)
Mavs 8-6 (lost their last 2)

I guess since Rivers was the EC coach of the month for November, he could get the nod again for December, but Flipper could get it for beating the C's especially if the Pistons beat the Pacers and Bucs to end the year. Nate McMillan will win for the west even if they lose their remainig two games.

One other note, NBA schedlulers had the Pistons playing 17 games in December where the Spurs only played 12...which means that Parker and Duncan had more time to heal from their injuries...(Spurs are 6-5 for December)

Another surprise team of late has been Philly, which is 8-6 in December, but 8-3 in their last 11 after losing their first 3 games of the month. That isn't likely to last as they're now in a 6 game Western Conference road trip, though they did start off well tonight by beating the (admittedly hapless and injury-riddled) Kings.

Philly actually has some talent. Dre miller, Iggy, Sammy D, Big Tough RegE, Lil Lou Williams, Willie G......They just aren't good enough to bring it, night in - night out.

Celtics keep it going out West with a win in Utah. Apparently Pierce followed a 0 point first half with 24 in the second...he drove around a statue-like Ronnie Brewer to give Boston the lead in the last minute, and after Utah missed a 3 on the next possession, it was pretty much over.

Celtics keep it going out West with a win in Utah. Apparently Pierce followed a 0 point first half with 24 in the second...he drove around a statue-like Ronnie Brewer to give Boston the lead in the last minute, and after Utah missed a 3 on the next possession, it was pretty much over.

That's been Utah's achilles heel, besides their interior D. They always get lit up by the opposing SG/SF, Kobe last night, PP tonight. I don't understand how Sloan made no adjustment. Pierce just kept doing the same move over and over again. It was comical after awhile.

Ray Allen hit a sick three though. Probably the play of the game.

Celtics keep it going out West with a win in Utah. Apparently Pierce followed a 0 point first half with 24 in the second...he drove around a statue-like Ronnie Brewer to give Boston the lead in the last minute, and after Utah missed a 3 on the next possession, it was pretty much over.

Why was Kirilenko really out of tonights game?

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Actually Memo's crazy 3 off the glass a few minutes earlier was an even more difficult shot, but the 3 by Ray was definitely the big shot for Boston.

Actually Memo's crazy 3 off the glass a few minutes earlier was an even more difficult shot, but the 3 by Ray was definitely the big shot for Boston.

I missed that. I turned it off when BOS went up 8 or so, came back when it was tied at 90 something, and PP was driving to the basket which was exactly what he was doing when i turned it off LOL

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Kirelinko hurt his shoulder against LAL i think.

We got to hope that the LA Kobes can slow down the Boston express and send them back home with year ending loss.

We got to hope that the LA Kobes can slow down the Boston express and send them back home with year ending loss.

Do we really care? Let Boston win, Pistons need to stay under radar. :nerd2:

TB's outscored the Sixers 35 - 9 in the 4th qtr

One guess who won

NBA - Philadelphia 76ers/Portland Trail Blazers Box Score Sunday December 30, 2007 - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2007123022)

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Right now it seems like it`s just Boston and the Pistons. It would really be ashame if the ECF features any teams other than Boston and Detroit.

The remaining EC looks very weak to me, however, things can change. An injury here or there can change everything!

Right now it seems like it`s just Boston and the Pistons. It would really be ashame if the ECF features any teams other than Boston and Detroit.

The remaining EC looks very weak to me, however, things can change. An injury here or there can change everything!

I'd like to agree, but i'm more optimistic but not sold on the Pistons yet. Don't underestimate the power of Flip Saunders to get outcoached.

The hopes of the Celtics getting beaten on their western trip was squashed tonight as they absolutely destroyed the so called hot Lakers holding them to 35% shooting. Just to make sure that there was no doubt about it, Doc didn't pull the big three until it was less than 3 mins left in the game even though the C's were up 22 at the time?? I see an injury forthcoming or at least a burnout ala 05/06 Pistons team on the horizon for the celtics if Doc continues with 35+ mins.

The Celtics didn't play the Suns or even hotter Trailbalzers on this trip and they still need to go through Texas before the season is over, but I thinking now that the Celtics will probably better the 35-5 Pistons start of 05-06. Don't see them hitting 70 win though because as indicated somebody on that team will wear down.........

kobe shot 6-25. ouch.

kobe shot 6-25. ouch.

Murray would be in the street clothes after a game like that. :pound:

kobe shot 6-25. ouch.

The funny thing about that was as bad as Kobe was shooting, the Lakers stayed withing 7 or 8. The minute he was taken out of the game in the 3rd quarter, BOS went on a 21-3 or something similar run.

Guess there is something to be said about just having a superstar presence on the floor.

These are some of the facts from last nights game

This was the second game of a back to back for the Celtics

Celtics shot 39 free throws, they average 27 a game

Bynum, Bryant, Odom all had two fouls in the first quarter when the Celtics got 14 free throws.

Players and coaches are not allowed to comment on the officiating

The lead official was Bennett Salvatore


Bennett Salvatore

Bennett Salvatore is a NBA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA) official (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referee) who wears No. 15. He was sentenced in 2000 to a year of probation, 150 hours of community service and a fine of $500 for his role in airline ticket fraud. He plead guilty in a New Haven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Haven) federal court on July 26, 2000 to filing a false tax return with the Internal Revenue Service for the tax year 1993. [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennett_Salvatore#_note-0). He has been heavily criticized by Mark Cuban (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Cuban) and Bill Simmons following his role in the 2006 NBA Finals and for other previous incidents. Salvatore has a history of making bad calls against the Mavericks, most notably in the Finals. The Mavericks protested a 111-107 loss at Indiana on Nov. 23, 2007 in a game in which Salvatore was the lead referee.


(Dallas Mavericks file protest over loss to Pacers | Dallas Morning News | News for Dallas, Texas | SportsDay: Top Stories (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/112507dnspomavsdate.3750b371.html))
Salvatore was recently given a chance to defend himself by NBA expert Henry Abbott of the TrueHoop ESPN blog. Salvatore produced previously unseen video showing that Dallas star Dirk Nowitzki clearly pushed Miami guard Dwyane Wade in the back for a foul on one of the critical calls in Game 5 of the 2006 NBA Finals. However, as Abbott correctly notes, before Wade gets to Nowitzki, the video also shows Wade pushing Dallas guard Jason Terry to the ground. Salvatore responds that Terry's "momentum" forces him to the ground.
NBA - Boston Celtics/Los Angeles Lakers Box Score Sunday December 30, 2007 - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AscNHU_FOtBVY3VYQSHRWGeQvLYF?gid=200 7123013)

Bennett Salvatore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennett_Salvatore)

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These are some of the facts from last nights game

This was the second game of a back to back for the Celtics

Celtics shot 39 free throws, they average 27 a game

Bynum, Bryant, Odom all had two fouls in the first quarter when the Celtics got 14 free throws.

Players and coaches are not allowed to comment on the officiating

The lead official was Bennett Salvatore

NBA - Boston Celtics/Los Angeles Lakers Box Score Sunday December 30, 2007 - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AscNHU_FOtBVY3VYQSHRWGeQvLYF?gid=200 7123013)

Bennett Salvatore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennett_Salvatore)

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Dallas fans must have been irate at Salvatore, because previously he seemed to be totally in the pockets of that team.

I would love to have Salvatore explain the following.

Remember the infamous free throw contest that was Game 1 of the WCF in 2003, Spurs vs Mavs? That refereeing crew, led by Mr Salvatore, decided to give each team about 50 free throws. Now everyone knows the Spurs cannot win a free throw contest against the Mavs. True enough those guys hit 49 of their freebies to steal the game.


Dallas made 49 of 50 free throws
San Antonio made 31 of 48 free throws.

The Mavs free throw percentage that year was 83%
The Spurs free throw percentage that year was 73%

The Spurs did go on to win the NBA Title that year in spite of losing game #1 to the Mavs.

2002-03 NBA Season Summary - Basketball-Reference.com (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2003.html)
Dallas Mavericks at San Antonio Spurs, May 19, 2003 - Basketball-Reference.com (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/SAS20030519.html)
"The second worst referee in the NBA" Speaks Out - SpursReport.com (http://www.spursreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78244)

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Celtics pull out another victory 97-93 over the rockets. Celtics had a 20 point lead in the first half before the Rockets came all the way back to take a 84-81 lead with about 6 mis left in the game....However the Celtics defense clamped down and outscored the rockets 16-9 down the stretch to pull out a victory. KG was spectacular durin that stretch ..darn him. Looks like NBA league pass will be broadcasting the Celtics Sports Network Saturday and us out of towners will have to put up with Tommy Point Heinson for the color commentary and his homer play-by play guy for the Pistons/Celtic game.

Meanwhile Miami continues to lose as the Bucs come off their 45 point drubbing by the Pistons to beat the cold Heat by 6. Wade went out in the final seconds holding a block of ice on his hands..but he will probably be OK... Riley, though may come up with another excuse for surgery, but not sure if any of his assistants want to take over.:)

D. Williams 20 assists tonight

Off of some early returns it looks like Korver might help the Jazz.

Okur had 20 tonight. Maybe that will get him going. He has been having an awful year.

NBA - Philadelphia 76ers/Utah Jazz Box Score Wednesday January 2, 2008 - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AtcHVMZXNgdkt9gppvEAxgG8vLYF?gid=200 8010226)

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Has anyone noticed how poorly the Spurs are playing on the road? I know it`s a long season, however, currently they are under .500 on the road (5-6).

Tim Duncan was a DNP in a few of those losses, still this is not typical of Spurs basketball. I am not saying they are doomed because of the road record, but it is something to keep an eye on going forward.

Tonight they face the Nuggets, a very tough team in Denver.

Has anyone noticed how poorly the Spurs are playing on the road? I know it`s a long season, however, currently they are under .500 on the road (5-6).

Tim Duncan was a DNP in a few of those losses, still this is not typical of Spurs basketball. I am not saying they are doomed because of the road record, but it is something to keep an eye on going forward.

Tonight they face the Nuggets, a very tough team in Denver.
They haven't been healthy for the most of the season. Ginobili is still out. And they are playing in a tougher conference. I would wait until the playoffs to make a call on that team.

Too many minutes for starters making Scott nervous (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Too-many-minutes-for-starters-making-Scott-nervo?urn=nba,59780)

Thursday, Jan 3, 2008 6:32 am EST

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New Orleans Hornets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/nor/) coach Byron Scott is becoming more concerned about the extended minutes Chris Paul (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3930/), David West (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3721/) and Tyson Chandler (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3512/) have had to play. Scott said he has to keep them on the court in order to win games because of his ineffective bench.
"The last thing I want to do is play those guys the type of minutes they're playing right now," Scott said. "I'm getting more nervous now that our guys aren't going to be fresh in March and April with the minutes they're playing right now."
Rumors - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors;_ylt=Anryd_vYkAUXUOD45wBAu368vLYF)

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Rumors - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors;_ylt=Anryd_vYkAUXUOD45wBAu368vLYF)

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Perhaps, he could have his GM phone Joe D. and ask him how to build a good bench. They could start with taking Flip Murray off Pistons hands.

D. Wade putting on the ritz

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0103/nba_g_wade3_200.jpg

Maybe he is on his way to a shoot for GQ or Esquire. LOL

ESPN - ESPN The Magazine: World Wide Wade - NBA (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=mag-wade)

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King James exploded for 24 consecutive points in the 4th qtr this afternoon (sound familiar?) to help the Cavs erase a 20 point deficit and defeat the Raptors 93-90.

He finshed with 39-11-8 and in the post game comments he indicated that a couple of Toronto hecklers ticked him off. (They were a couple of cuties that were cousins of Chris Bosh):sssh::).

Of course we had to hear the ultimate homers Fred McLeod and Austin Carr drape all type of praise on the James throughout that 4th qtr.

The Cavs game was on TV here and I stopped watching at the end of the third thinking Toronto had it all sewed up.

Oops.

Probably would have made me to sick to watch anyway.

The Cavs game was on TV here and I stopped watching at the end of the third thinking Toronto had it all sewed up.

Oops.

Probably would have made me to sick to watch anyway.

Believe me it wasn't as bad as watching Labron do it vs the Pistons in game five last year...but then again the audio part with Fred and Carr was:)

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/tools/med/2008/01/ipt/1199728081.jpg


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Shaquille O'Neal flies to Los Angeles for treatment of hip
January 7, 2008
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Miami Heat (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/mia/;_ylt=AnE46geFHA7qVtcH9DO_z6CLvLYF) center Shaquille O'Neal (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/847/;_ylt=AiWazond2Zq_tZ36RM8wRZeLvLYF) flew Monday to Los Angeles to seek medical treatment for a hip injury that has sidelined him the past five games.

O'Neal's departure two games into a five-game trip is the latest setback for an injury-plagued team that has the worst record in the Eastern Conference at 8-26 and has lost seven games in a row. O'Neal had said Sunday he had hoped to return to the lineup Tuesday at Minnesota.

He bruised his left hip Dec. 22 when he dived for a loose ball and slid into the scorer's table during the a win over Utah. He aggravated the injury in a Dec. 26 loss at Philadelphia and hasn't played since.

The hip injury and a sore left knee have contributed to the least productive season of O'Neal's 16-year career. He is averaging 14 points and 7.8 rebounds in 29 games.


Shaquille O'Neal flies to Los Angeles for treatment of hip - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ati9aHuO30K5fZDytWmDEKQ5nYcB?slug=ap-heat-oneal&prov=ap&type=lgns)

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Shaquille O'Neal flies to Los Angeles for treatment of hip - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ati9aHuO30K5fZDytWmDEKQ5nYcB?slug=ap-heat-oneal&prov=ap&type=lgns)

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Wow. The Heat. I have...no words.

Wow. The Heat. I have...no words.

I have a few words..if Shaq gets healed in the next two weeks, look for some idiot coaches to vote him into the All Star game as DHowards back-up--- after all I think he was second in voting for that position

If he and Wade continue to battle injuries throughout the season, guess what team will have the inside track and higher % of balls for the number 1 draft pick in June:yellowprison:

Washington veterans will rearrange locker room (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Washington-veterans-will-rearrange-locker-room?urn=nba,60325)

Monday, Jan 7, 2008 10:08 am EST

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After the game Sunday, veterans Antonio Daniels (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3175/), DeShawn Stevenson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3422/) and Antawn Jamison (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3247/) said they are in the process of re-arranging the Washington Wizards (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/was/) locker room. The idea is to separate Andray Blatche (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3975/) and rookies Nick Young (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4294/) and Dominic McGuire (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4338/) to create a more serious pregame environment according to the Washington Post.

Said Stevenson: "We've got too much joking and playing around going on in here before games."

Jamison said his main goal is to make the young players understand how valuable their contributions will be as the season plays out.
Source: Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/06/AR2008010602036.html)http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/nt/ic/ut/bsc/newwin12_1.gif (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/06/AR2008010602036.html)
Blatche is the same guy that drew a flagrant #1 for his hit to Hayes in our last game with the Wiz.

Rumors - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors;_ylt=Ao_oCYCl56SOwnZ0eUKVRky8vLYF)

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Must be pretty bad if they have to resort to these tactics at Washington.

How about them Warriors dropping 130 points (albeit in overtime) on Spurs? Spurs finally get their Big 3 heathly more or less but Warriors just hit their shots. Baron Davis with a big game.

Lakers at Hornets Wednesday

It seems to me that the Hornets should win this pretty easy by doubles figures.

Lakers do not match up that well against the Hornets and it is the second game of back to back on the road.

If posters here think Stuckey can't play defense they should have seen Conley give up 26 points tonight to Derek Fisher (3 off of his career high) on 10 of 11 from the field including 5 of 5 on threes.

On offense Conley is not anywhere near what Williams and Paul were, in their rookie years.

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Grant Hill on the shelf again

FOX Sports on MSN - NBA - Suns forward Grant Hill to undergo appendectomy, could be out at least 2 weeks (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7656300)

HOOPSWORLD | NBA News, Rumors and Information (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=6831)

Grant Hill on the shelf again

FOX Sports on MSN - NBA - Suns forward Grant Hill to undergo appendectomy, could be out at least 2 weeks (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7656300)

HOOPSWORLD | NBA News, Rumors and Information (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=6831)
Jeez, my fantasy roster is just falling apart. Bibby, Kevin Martin, G.Hill...

Besides being a fairly interesting article (Expert: Why the bias against big-man coaches? - NBA - MSNBC.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22581954/)), it mentions that Jeff Ruland (half of the Ruland/Mahorn Bullets tandem) was coaching in the D-League.

So I wondered who else was down there. Here's a list of D-League coaches and assistants I at least still recognize...

- Jeff Ruland
- Quin Snyder
- Sean Rooks
- Joe Wolf
- Jaren Jackson
- Chucky Brown
- Joey Meyer

Pacers' Harrison suspended 5 games | IndyStar.com (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080111/SPORTS04/80111039)

HOOPSWORLD | NBA News, Rumors and Information (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=6856)

A Milwaukee story. :)

Raptors to add another Euro.


Croatian guard will join Raptors next season (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Croatian-guard-will-join-Raptors-next-season?urn=nba,61170)

Friday, Jan 11, 2008 6:28 am EST

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According to published reports, the Toronto Raptors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/tor/) have a reached a deal that would free point guard Roko Ukic (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4345/) next season to play for Toronto.


The 6-foot-5 point guard plays with Lottomatica Roma of the Italian league. The native of Split, Croatia , was drafted in the second-round of the 2005 draft, but played the past two seasons with Tau Ceramica and Barcelona of the Spanish League.


Source: Toronto Sun (http://torontosun.com/Sports/Basketball/2008/01/10/4765475-sun.html)http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/nt/ic/ut/bsc/newwin12_1.gif (http://torontosun.com/Sports/Basketball/2008/01/10/4765475-sun.html)
Rumors - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors;_ylt=Atx16TQ1zWjQRd0PqQ39tza8vLYF)

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Heat and Hawks do over...the last 51.9 of a game the Hawks won on 12/19 will be played over because of a scoring error fouling Shaq out on his 5th foul instead of his sixth... Riles thinks that if they win, then he might grab the 8th seed.:pound:

NBA.com: Heat’s Protest Granted and Atlanta Fined for Scoring Error (http://www.nba.com/news/protest_080111.html)

Heat and Hawks do over...the last 51.9 of a game the Hawks won on 12/19 will be played over because of a scoring error fouling Shaq out on his 5th foul instead of his sixth... Riles thinks that if they win, then he might grab the 8th seed.:pound:

NBA.com: Heat’s Protest Granted and Atlanta Fined for Scoring Error (http://www.nba.com/news/protest_080111.html)
I just saw that. So strange, never saw a game replayed. Gives Miami an advantage in the playoff seeding, I'll agree with that, Dre.

Bill Walton went back in time tonight by recalling this unusual instance of a replayed game:

NBA.com: This Date in History-November (http://www.nba.com/history/this_date_november.html)

November 8, 1978

The Philadelphia 76ers and the New Jersey Nets began a game where the final 17:50 of the contest was replayed on March 23, 1979, due to a protest being upheld. Harvey Catchings and Ralph Simpson played for the 76ers and Eric Money and Al Skinner played for the Nets when the game began, but were traded to the opposing teams by the time the game was resumed. It's the only time in the history of professional sports that any player played for both teams in the same game.

Those are some Old Skool names there, before my time, but probably recalling fond memories for HQ and Dre. I think Money and Simpson both played for the Pistons around that time as well.

On ESPN's NBA pregame tonight, Stephen A. Smith said that the rumblings around Cleveland are that LeBron is already laying the groundwork for leaving the Cavs after the 2009-10 season, which is when he can opt out of his current contract. Maybe he'll head off to Brooklyn to play for his boy Jay-Z; that's right around the time that the Nets will be moving into their new arena.

On ESPN's NBA pregame tonight, Stephen A. Smith said that the rumblings around Cleveland are that LeBron is already laying the groundwork for leaving the Cavs after the 2009-10 season, which is when he can opt out of his current contract. Maybe he'll head off to Brooklyn to play for his boy Jay-Z; that's right around the time that the Nets will be moving into their new arena.
Maybe by that time Cavs would be able to gather a half-decent supporting cast around LBJ. Otherwise, why would he stick around? The team around him is dreadful. Nazr managed to put in 6 pts and 3rbs in a few minutes in the 1st quarter as Charlotte is leading 37-35 after 1.

On ESPN's NBA pregame tonight, Stephen A. Smith said that the rumblings around Cleveland are that LeBron is already laying the groundwork for leaving the Cavs after the 2009-10 season, which is when he can opt out of his current contract. Maybe he'll head off to Brooklyn to play for his boy Jay-Z; that's right around the time that the Nets will be moving into their new arena.


Maybe we can swap some vets at that time and send %%%%%%%%, Old Spice (dice), Ripped Hamilton, and 2 draft picks for Lebron. Then we build Stuckey, afflollo, Max, AJ and Samb around him with Sheed and Billups coming off the bench as our OLD vets.:stirthepot::sssh:

Those darn Nets collapse in the 4th qtr and allow the Celtics to close out the game on 26 to 9 run as the league # 1 defense did it's job holding the nets scoreless for what looked like an eternity and KG and Pierce were sitting on the bench when the defense stepped up. Coild have been 2 losses in a row for the C's and their only excuse this time would have been the Rajon was out...C' win 86-77 after trailing 68-60 when I tuned in.

I didn't see any of that game, but man, how pathetic are the Nets...from the AP recap:


The Nets left a lot of points on the free-throw line where they were 9-for-24. New Jersey also struggled from the floor in the final quarter, going 3-for-19.

In the fourth, Boston scored 13 consecutive points without Garnett or Pierce on the floor to take a 76-70 lead. The Celtics went ahead for good at 71-70 on a fastbreak layup by Glen Davis (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4313/;_ylt=Als6pKtQVmrTxvgCQMAnoGmQvLYF) with 7:55 remaining.
Dre, the boxscore says Rondo played 22 minutes.

I didn't see any of that game, but man, how pathetic are the Nets...from the AP recap:

Dre, the boxscore says Rondo played 22 minutes.


He must have went down with a back injury before I tuned in to it at the end of the third as the Nets announcers were saying that it was remarkable that they were able to moved the ball around with Rondo being out with a strained back.

The Bobcats thru away one too in double Ot to the Cavs as Labron and Damon Jones led the OT onslaught and the Cats went cold in the 2nd OT. Raymond Felton went down with a high ankle strain in the last seconds of the 2nd OT so he may not be available for tomorrows clash with the Pistons. With the two OT's the Pistons may have caught a break.

I think I'm becoming a Lakers fan.

I think I'm becoming a Lakers fan.

Great choice

As a new Lakers fan you will want to dine at Mr. Chow when in Beverly Hills

Mr. Chow (http://www.mrchow.com/therestaurants/beverlyhills/)

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Boston goes cold in the 4th quarter and loses to Washington. That was an interesting game, I guess. Is Boston hitting a wall? Entering dog days? They haven't looked good since beating Pistons.

Boston goes cold in the 4th quarter and loses to Washington. That was an interesting game, I guess. Is Boston hitting a wall? Entering dog days? They haven't looked good since beating Pistons.

No real point guard tonight as Rondo is out..despite their good defense they are still turnover prone (19 tonight) and oh yeah the wizards were 27-30 from the FT line
So much for 70 victories...

Interesting stat just shown during the Magic-Jazz game. The top 5 players in the league so far this season for total points scored in 4th quarters include LeBron, DWade, Baron Davis, Deron Williams, and...Hedo Turkoglu.

Not on the list: Flip Murray. :pound:

I think I'm becoming a Lakers fan.

I second that. I don't know what's going on. They're surprisingly root worthy.

Clippers had a 2 point lead over the Mavs with 27.5 seconds left with the ball, but dumb Tim Thomas (who the Clipper announcers had just annointed star of the game) takes a stupid shot with 10 seconds left for no apparent reason and the Mavs grab the rebound. All he could do was say my fault after he took it. Well these are the Clippers...Stackhouse hits a three ball with no time on the clock to win it 95-94.

Tim Thomas is going to get somebody fired...he shoots with reckless abandon and the Clippers are 0 for 2008 after being in everygame down to the wire...

Another game tonight where the refs give the nod in the end to the "elite" team and the struggling team gets rooked. In this case the Lakers survive a 14-0 run by the Grizzlies in the 4th and with a one point lead and 7 seconds left the refs swallow their whistle as Kyle Lowry drives to the hoop and is fouled by Kwame Brown, but the refs let it roll as the basket is missed and last second 3 ball attempt by the Grizz is also long. Even the Laker announcers admit that a foul should have been called, but their not going to complain as the Lakers get their sixth straight and along with the Mavs are the only team perfect for 2008.

Another game tonight where the refs give the nod in the end to the "elite" team and the struggling team gets rooked. In this case the Lakers survive a 14-0 run by the Grizzlies in the 4th and with a one point lead and 7 seconds left the refs swallow their whistle as Kyle Lowry drives to the hoop and is fouled by Kwame Brown, but the refs let it roll as the basket is missed and last second 3 ball attempt by the Grizz is also long. Even the Laker announcers admit that a foul should have been called, but their not going to complain as the Lakers get their sixth straight and along with the Mavs are the only team perfect for 2008.

Lakers won the game, but it looks like they lost Bynum to some kind of knee injury. X-Rays are negative, and MRI is scheduled.

FOX Sports on MSN - NBA - Bynum out 8 weeks with injured knee (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7676464)



MRI tests and an examination Monday by team physician Dr. Steve Lombardo revealed Bynum had injured his kneecap and suffered a bone bruise. Bynum is expected to make a full recovery, the Lakers said in a press release.

FOX Sports on MSN - NBA - Bynum out 8 weeks with injured knee (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7676464)

Lakers play us in the Palace at the end of the month. Clearly they won't have Bynum.

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Lakers play us in the Palace at the end of the month. Clearly they won't have Bynum.

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yeh!!...we need the advantage in this rematch...wonder if Kwame will regain his swagger by then or will Kobe be averaging 40 then...

Bobcats continue to impress... after losing a heartbreaker to the Pistons Saturday, they squeak out a high scoring affair over the Nuggets 119-116

The Nuggets hold future allstar Nazr Mohammad to only 10 points and five boards, as guys we should of or could have had instead of Tay, :),>>G. Wallace and C-Mello exchange plesantries to the tune of 40 and 35 points respectfully.

yeh!!...we need the advantage in this rematch...wonder if Kwame will regain his swagger by then or will Kobe be averaging 40 then...

I hope that we get a chance to see Stuckey go up against Crittenton. Javaris has starting getting minutes on a regular basis.

We could have drafted him rather than Stuckey since we picked ahead of the Lakers.

He is a lot better shooter and better passer than Stuckey. He is also faster than Stuckey.

I think Joe wanted a combo guard so he took Stuckey. Crittenton is too small to play the #2.

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January has not been kind to the C's and the Pistons. The Celtics lose a home and home back to back series to the Wizards. The Wizards finish the game on a 25-6 run and all of a sudden the Celtics are human and have six losses.

January has not been kind to the C's and the Pistons. The Celtics lose a home and home back to back series to the Wizards. The Wizards finish the game on a 25-6 run and all of a sudden the Celtics are human and have six losses.

Lost 3 of last 4 since beating us and the losses were not to really good teams.

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Lost 3 of last 4 since beating us and the losses were not to really good teams.

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Looks like that series last Saturday took a lot out of both teams...they are 1-3 and we are 2-2 since. Both teams 4-3 in 2008...and they have the hot Blazers coming up on Wednesday..

Looks like that series last Saturday took a lot out of both teams...they are 1-3 and we are 2-2 since. Both teams 4-3 in 2008...and they have the hot Blazers coming up on Wednesday..

Tell you what, if the Blazers continue playing like they currently are, they could be lots of trouble for any team in the west.

That`s right, any team!!

January has not been kind to the C's and the Pistons. The Celtics lose a home and home back to back series to the Wizards. The Wizards finish the game on a 25-6 run and all of a sudden the Celtics are human and have six losses.

The odd part about this is both game the Wiz shot like 38%. The first game they definitely won on the boards. I didn't watch this game but from the box rebounds were about even.

I guess Rondo is their MVP. He's been out or limited these past 3 games.

Looks like little Kmart is back in Sactown.. He scored 25 points in his first game back on Saturday night and then 39 tonight in a razzle dazzle 122-120 victory over the Mavs tonight.

Not to be out done, Kobe puts up 48 in the Lakers 2 point victory over Seattle as the lakers escape with a close win two nights in a row. Those 48 points were on 44 field goal attempts.:frusty: Expect a lot of games like this while Bynum recovers...

January has not been kind to the C's and the Pistons. The Celtics lose a home and home back to back series to the Wizards. The Wizards finish the game on a 25-6 run and all of a sudden the Celtics are human and have six losses.

How would you like it if the Wizards come out 8th seed in the ECF when the season ends, i.e if the Celts come out 1st in the ECF.

How would you like it if the Wizards come out 8th seed in the ECF when the season ends, i.e if the Celts come out 1st in the ECF.


I'm afraid, zebras do not let such possible upset a la GSW-DAL happen, too much is for NBA marketing at stake...

Things are getting even worse for the Bulls. They got blown out by ORL, and Ben was laughing on the bench. Apparently, Noah got pissed about the attitude, and they had to be separated in the locker room.

Struggles — and apparently strife— continue for Bulls on ChicagoSports.com (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-080115chicagobullsorlandomagic,1,4210710.story?col l=cs-home-headlines)

Things are getting even worse for the Bulls. They got blown out by ORL, and Ben was laughing on the bench. Apparently, Noah got pissed about the attitude, and they had to be separated in the locker room.

Struggles — and apparently strife— continue for Bulls on ChicagoSports.com (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-080115chicagobullsorlandomagic,1,4210710.story?col l=cs-home-headlines)

Looks like paxson may have to coach that team and then fire himself:sssh:. it obvious Ben is still having second thoughts, but if he is laughing it because he laughing all the way to the bank about the money he was paid for little effort. In fairness to he and Noah, neither are used to losing, let alone getting embarrased, but they are stuck there.

It's funny how things turn out. Many were saying that Chicago will be better with Ben and Detroit will slide without him. Well, who's laughing now?

It's funny how things turn out. Many were saying that Chicago will be better with Ben and Detroit will slide without him. Well, who's laughing now?

After all this time we still have to tolerate these mean spirited attacks on Big Ben simply because he chose to go to another team. Some may be laughing, but I'm glad I'm lucky enough to appreciate his Piston days and LET GO.

@Mikhail - I think Chi was better with Ben, it was just short lived, as some of us suspected. Ben's played a very physically demanding game for a long time. Eventually that will catch up to you, no matter who you are.

@Kimmie - I miss you. :)

Things are getting even worse for the Bulls. They got blown out by ORL, and Ben was laughing on the bench. Apparently, Noah got pissed about the attitude, and they had to be separated in the locker room.

Struggles — and apparently strife— continue for Bulls on ChicagoSports.com (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-080115chicagobullsorlandomagic,1,4210710.story?col l=cs-home-headlines)

I'm not sure I wouldn't consider this a good thing. At least there is some fire there and not just a casual acceptance of losing. You often hear stories of teams that come to blows and then turn things around. Good coaches find ways to bring this out and then to channel it.

Not sure the Bulls have one of those though.

noah truly is an immature rookie if he's going to get in an argument with ben in the locker room...he better watch out or he's gonna get his @$$ kicked lol.

In his first game back since being suspended by his teammates, Noah led the team in field goals, rebounds, and blocks.

Noah: 23 min/ 12 pts/ 11 reb/ +4 for the game.
Ben: 21 min/ 4 pts/ 3 reb/ -28 for the game.

After all this time we still have to tolerate these mean spirited attacks on Big Ben simply because he chose to go to another team. Some may be laughing, but I'm glad I'm lucky enough to appreciate his Piston days and LET GO.
These are not attacks on Ben. This is an argument that Pistons are better off without humongous Ben contract. Imaging what everyone would be saying now if Joe agreed to pay Ben the same $$$ as Bulls, especially at Ben's current production level.

@Mikhail - I think Chi was better with Ben, it was just short lived, as some of us suspected. Ben's played a very physically demanding game for a long time. Eventually that will catch up to you, no matter who you are.

@Kimmie - I miss you. :)
Roscoe, you have to look at Ben's entire contract. You don't sign a player for 4 years in order to get one productive year out of him, especially paying him that kind of money. Initially he improved Chicago, but now, at least from what I am reading, he has become a cancer in that locker room. Maybe he's regretting leaving Pistons and never quite managed to find his niche with Bulls, but it is a mute point now. It is difficult to say how he would perform had he stayed with Pistons, especially since he would have Sheed to complement him and take some defensive load off him, but it is a point for another debate.

If he wants to come back to winner, he could always have his contract voided, reconstructed, give some cash back, and traded back to the Pistons for Flip jr or Fabio and become our 4th big off the bench. The Bulls have enough big men over there...:stirthepot: Afterall his FT% is up to 47%, the highest in 3 years.....:)

Hard to believe that a Glibert Arenas-less Wizards team is #4 in the Eastern Conference. Eddie Jordan is doing a helluva job! And Utah and Houston would be out of the playoffs if it started today. Utah even has a +5 differential against their opponents. I wonder what the record is for highest positive point differential against opponents by a team to not make the playoffs...

Hard to believe that a Glibert Arenas-less Wizards team is #4 in the Eastern Conference. Eddie Jordan is doing a helluva job! And Utah and Houston would be out of the playoffs if it started today. Utah even has a +5 differential against their opponents. I wonder what the record is for highest positive point differential against opponents by a team to not make the playoffs...

Pride, where you been G?

Your post is right on about the Wiz. It`s no secret I am not a Wiz fan, however, kately without Agent Zero they have become a nice team to watch. Caron Butler is a beast on both ends of the floor - players like Stevenson a fine youngen in Andre Blatche, and even Brendan Haywood are playing great.

I say do a sign and trade with someone to get rid of Arenas now, that way they can get something in return.

Pride, where you been G?

Working on my album, friend. Have my big release on Feb 1st so I've been living in the studio and doing alot of performances for promotion. If it weren't for Pistonsforum.com, I'd be completely out of the loop with the latest greatest on my beloved team. :)

I think you might be right about trading Agent Zero....

So Noahs problems in Chicago stem from him actually giving a ****?

sure hes (Noah) annoying, but its Ben thats looking like a true POS here. 60 million dollar cancer.

We must have rubbed some Pistons DNA off on both Charlotte and NY...both have put together modest winning streaks since playing the Pistons. Knicks have a 3 game winning streak beating the Pistons, Wiz and nets.

Charlotte after losing a close one to the Pistons have now beaten two first place teams in Denver and Orlando. (denver was tied for first enetering the game.) Remember the BCats beat first place Boston last week. I know it's early, and they are still 4 games out of the 8th spot, but I am not sure the C's want to see them in the first round. Especially since they have given the Celtics fits in two games now.

Ray Allen exploded for 35 points incuding 8 in the the last 2 mins to end the C's 2 game losing streak and slow down the hot Blazers. 100-90. Celtics get a quality win and are now 11-0 vs the Western Conference

...but its Ben thats looking like a true POS here. 60 million dollar cancer.

Shame on you. Character assassination is so easy for some. The Pistons wouldn't have won the only ring they have in this decade without Ben Wallace. Show some respect.

We must have rubbed some Pistons DNA off on both Charlotte and NY...both have put together modest winning streaks since playing the Pistons. Knicks have a 3 game winning streak beating the Pistons, Wiz and nets.

Charlotte after losing a close one to the Pistons have now beaten two first place teams in Denver and Orlando. (denver was tied for first enetering the game.) Remember the BCats beat first place Boston last week. I know it's early, and they are still 4 games out of the 8th spot, but I am not sure the C's want to see them in the first round. Especially since they have given the Celtics fits in two games now.

Ray Allen exploded for 35 points incuding 8 in the the last 2 mins to end the C's 2 game losing streak and slow down the hot Blazers. 100-90. Celtics get a quality win and are now 11-0 vs the Western Conference

Looks like MJ practicing with the squad, did Charlotte some good!

Looks like MJ practicing with the squad, did Charlotte some good!
Nazr addition really lifted the team. He's been giving them lots more than Brezec ever dreamed of. They also have a couple of guys that could go off at any minute in Richardson and Wallace, they have a defender to guard the paint in Okafor, and Felton is a solid point guard.

Nazr addition really lifted the team. He's been giving them lots more than Brezec ever dreamed of. They also have a couple of guys that could go off at any minute in Richardson and Wallace, they have a defender to guard the paint in Okafor, and Felton is a solid point guard.

True, very true. I wonder how good they would have been with a healthy Adam Morrison.

Nazr addition really lifted the team. He's been giving them lots more than Brezec ever dreamed of. They also have a couple of guys that could go off at any minute in Richardson and Wallace, they have a defender to guard the paint in Okafor, and Felton is a solid point guard.

I wish somehow we could have landed Wallace.

Could you see him in a Piston uni about now???

I wish somehow we could have landed Wallace.

Could you see him in a Piston uni about now???
We've had that discussion during the offseason, but I don't think there was reasonable way to get him. And we also don't know what does Joe think about the guy, and that's the bottom line.

Shame on you. Character assassination is so easy for some. The Pistons wouldn't have won the only ring they have in this decade without Ben Wallace. Show some respect.


let's speak on the subject at hand, not on nostalgia.

he is holding Chicago back. him, his ****ty attitude that he's had since his new contract, and Paxson for signing him.

Lakers' Brown voted player who does least with most talent (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Lakers-Brown-voted-player-who-does-least-with-m?urn=nba,62425)

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 6:40 am EST

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In a Sports Illustrated poll of 242 NBA players, Kwame Brown (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3511/) of the Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lal/) received the most votes for the question, "Which player gets the least out of the most talent?"


Brown received 17% of the votes, followed by Los Angeles Clippers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lac/) forward Tim Thomas (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3170/) (10%), New York Knicks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/nyk/) center Eddy Curry (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3514/) (7%), New Jersey Nets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/njn/) guard-forward Vince Carter (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3248/) (6%) and Memphis Grizzles center Darko Milicic (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3705/) (5%).
Source: Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakerep18jan18,1,5692380.story?coll=la-headlines-sports)http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/nt/ic/ut/bsc/newwin12_1.gif (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakerep18jan18,1,5692380.story?coll=la-headlines-sports)


The guy is terrible. You don't realize how bad he is until after you have watched Bynum play and then Brown play.

Rumors - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors)

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The guy is terrible. You don't realize how bad he is until after you have watched Bynum play and then Brown play.

Rumors - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors)

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The fans booed him and yeah he did look bad last night with seven TO's ...but he is still recovering from injuries...

The fans booed him and yeah he did look bad last night with seven TO's ...but he is still recovering from injuries...

His whole career is full of excuses. This is just another in the long list.

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WASHINGTON, June 28 (AP) -- A beaming Michael Jordan welcomed Kwame Brown (http://www.nba.com/draft2001/playerfiles/kwame_brown.html?nav=ArticleList) to the Washington Wizards on Thursday, presenting the first high-school No. 1 NBA draftee with a new jersey and encouraging words.



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Nazr Mohammed matched Bresec's season total for steals today with 2! What quick hands he has. :pound:

T. Ariza out for 8 weeks. Bynum and Radmonovic are also out.

The Lakers front line is quickly going to the sidelines.


Lakers' Trevor Ariza out 8 weeks with broken foot; Mbenga signs
January 21, 2008
EL SEGUNDO, Calif. (AP) -- Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lal/;_ylt=Av3EEwMscQt.ex8iErCCPI.LvLYF) forward Trevor Ariza (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3860/;_ylt=AuG43nLC3Y3j2wLbzBCZI_mLvLYF) will be out about eight weeks because of a broken right foot, joining center Andrew Bynum (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3936/;_ylt=AoX2mcjs8LeZ_q.xNEjrMMqLvLYF) on the sidelines.
The Lakers signed free-agent center DJ Mbenga (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3877/;_ylt=Avl1FZvSZ3AcMvwt3jsbo8iLvLYF) to a 10-day contract Monday. The 7-footer from the Congo was released by Golden State on Jan. 6.


Lakers' Trevor Ariza out 8 weeks with broken foot; Mbenga signs - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aue1oAUFwdaovhE7_TUubzi8vLYF?slug=ap-lakers-ariza&prov=ap&type=lgns)

T. Ariza out for 8 weeks. Bynum and Radmonovic are also out.

The Lakers front line is quickly going to the sidelines.



Lakers' Trevor Ariza out 8 weeks with broken foot; Mbenga signs - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aue1oAUFwdaovhE7_TUubzi8vLYF?slug=ap-lakers-ariza&prov=ap&type=lgns)


Yeah but they are still winning because of good coaching and rotations.

Phil knows how to get his players to execute and we have Flip & Co who knows how to.....:confused::noidea:

Yeah but they are still winning because of good coaching and rotations.

Phil knows how to get his players to execute and we have Flip & Co who knows how to.....:confused::noidea:

Did anyone see this Lakers/Denver game? What happened? Lakers have so many players out. I'm glad I was busy and missed it, but I still want to know what happened. I know the Nuggets don't have good defense but still....116 LAL, 99 DEN? I guess I do know that Denver isn't a very good team, but for some reason (Iverson, Camby, Kleiza, Najera, Nene) I can't help rooting for them whenever they are on.

Did anyone see this Lakers/Denver game? What happened? Lakers have so many players out. I'm glad I was busy and missed it, but I still want to know what happened. I know the Nuggets don't have good defense but still....116 LAL, 99 DEN? I guess I do know that Denver isn't a very good team, but for some reason (Iverson, Camby, Kleiza, Najera, Nene) I can't help rooting for them whenever they are on.
Carmello sprained his ankle midway thru the second qtr...with 13 points at the time, but didn't make that much difference at the time as the Lakers put up 39 points in the first qtr. The remarkable thing about this game was that Kobe only took 7 shots in the game and finished with 17 points...and they still won going away......

T. Ariza out for 8 weeks. Bynum and Radmonovic are also out.

The Lakers front line is quickly going to the sidelines.



Lakers' Trevor Ariza out 8 weeks with broken foot; Mbenga signs - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aue1oAUFwdaovhE7_TUubzi8vLYF?slug=ap-lakers-ariza&prov=ap&type=lgns)


Pacers O'Neal may sit out the rest season, but leaving options open depending on what the doctors say

Charlotte Observer | 01/22/2008 | Pacers' injured O'Neal says he's out indefinitely (http://www.charlotte.com/sports/story/456958.html)

Nail-biter in Boston sends celtic fans home cryin into the night. Raptors outscore Celtics 30-21 in the 4th qtr and edge them 114-112, much to Tommy Heinson chagrin. Homer Heinson did give the Raptors tommy points props for winning the game in the end, but complained about the officiating the whole 4th qtr.

Carlos "Joe why did you trade me" Delfino was 5-5 from beyond the arc as the raptors hit 15-21 money balls to pile on probably the most points on the Celtics this season. Four of the Raptor starters scored between 20-24 points.

Nail-biter in Boston sends celtic fans home cryin into the night. Raptors outscore Celtics 30-21 in the 4th qtr and edge them 114-112, much to Tommy Heinson chagrin. Homer Heinson did give the Raptors tommy points props for winning the game in the end, but complained about the officiating the whole 4th qtr.

Carlos "Joe why did you trade me" Delfino was 5-5 from beyond the arc as the raptors hit 15-21 money balls to pile on probably the most points on the Celtics this season. Four of the Raptor starters scored between 20-24 points.
I think we need to start "Celtics D is overrated" thread at this point. :stirthepot:

Tim Duncan had 30 points, 11 rebounds, was 14 for 19 shooting, and the Spurs only beat the Heat by 1 point!?!?

Tim Duncan had 30 points, 11 rebounds, was 14 for 19 shooting, and the Spurs only beat the Heat by 1 point!?!?

Zilch off the bench for SA, and a big game from Blount for the Heat.

The Spurs played at home Wednesday night, then flew to Miami and got in around 5:00AM. That stinks.

Those darn lucky Celtic steal a victory at the garden as the worst team in the league T-wolves give a victory with 23 seconds left. Wolves had a one pont lead with 23.2 seconds left and the ball. All they had to do was get the ball in to one of their good FT shooters and wait to to get fouled....but corey Brewer couldn't get the ball in and was called for a 5 sec count... celtics go down and Perkins scores with 16.6 second left. Then the Twolves still have trouble gettin the ball in but then get it out to the top of the circle until KG gets the poke away and for the 34th time this eason, they get a W... The worst part was that KG was injured and came back in vs his old team with less than 2 mins left then in the end there is KG> stretching his Celtic uni like he has won 16 Celtic rings!!! That really irked me!!

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The Celtics are so funny. After every game it's like they won the championship. It's like dude, you beat the Timberwolves! And if you think about it, the Timberwolves beat themselves. This is not something you should be that proud of.

On the positive side, they have look like crap lately. Wear and tear maybe?? . . .

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The Celtics are so funny. After every game it's like they won the championship. It's like dude, you beat the Timberwolves! And if you think about it, the Timberwolves beat themselves. This is not something you should be that proud of.

On the positive side, they have look like crap lately. Wear and tear maybe?? . . .

ANd they got help from the refs to boot. That 5-second call came awfully quickly.

ANd they got help from the refs to boot. That 5-second call came awfully quickly.

Tommy Heinson was right there at the broadcast table showing the ref a picture of the ref accepting cash or doing something with Ms. Stern:MusicBigGrin:...he had to blow the quick whistle

Tommy Heinson was right there at the broadcast table showing the ref a picture of the ref accepting cash or doing something with Ms. Stern:MusicBigGrin:...he had to blow the quick whistle

I think it was a written warning that Celts were supposed to win or else.

If the traded Twolves of Jefferson, Gomes and Telfair had beaten the Celtics, Kg would have cried and cursed instead of stretching and profiling his uniform like he did tonight. It would have been the lead story on ESPN and at the Mall of America : worst team in NBA beats best team after exchanging players...

If the traded Twolves of Jefferson, Gomes and Telfair had beaten the Celtics, Kg would have cried and cursed instead of stretching and profiling his uniform like he did tonight. It would have been the lead story on ESPN and at the Mall of America : worst team in NBA beats best team after exchanging players...


ESPN would have buried the story and run one about the Belacheats instead.

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champs got humiliated by NO, is it possible that spurs will be not a favoured favourite in PO? Can champs be underdogs?

I think the Spurs are .500 over their last 22. That puts them in the bottom half of the playoff table right now and a first round match-up with the mighty Nuggets.

Maybe they'll do all right.

KG out against the Magic. Was KG told to sit out, with a slight injury, in order to build the hype of the Magic?

Most likely

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Maybe it's in there and I just missed it, but I think the si guy just wrote a two page 2nd half preview of the NBA without mentioning the Pistons once.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/01/24/second.half.preview/index.html

Upon re-reading, I caught that he did mention us as a footnote to the Celtics section:

The key here is to watch the Pistons, who have run low on energy over the last two postseasons. They have the lineup to exploit the Celtics' weaknesses, but matchups will mean little unless Detroit follows the example of the Spurs by peaking in the spring.

Maybe it's in there and I just missed it, but I think the si guy just wrote a two page 2nd half preview of the NBA without mentioning the Pistons once.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/01/24/second.half.preview/index.html

Upon re-reading, I caught that he did mention us as a footnote to the Celtics section:


Truth does not need many words. Excuses need.

Grizzlies buy out Stoudamire, if he clears waivers..will the Celtics bite?

FOX Sports on MSN - NBA - Grizzlies waive Stoudamire (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7725140/Grizzlies-waive-Stoudamire)

Stoudamire, a former first-round pick in his 13th season out of Arizona, had been relegated to third-string status behind rookie Mike Conley, the fourth overall pick in last year's draft, and Kyle Lowry

I hope those with NBA league pass got a chance to see one of the possible western Conference finalists tonight. Byron Scott's Hornets team is for real and is a contender and not a pretender as some of may suspect. After getting blown out by the Lakers in an off night on 1/9, they have reeled off 9 straight victories, all but one by double digits. They blew out the Nuggets by 24 tonight after blowing the Spurs by 24 on Saturday night.

The team is young and outhustled the Nuggets all over the floor grabbing 52 boards to 33. Chris Paul who came out of the game with 4:45 left missed a triple double by one board. 23 pts, 9 brds, and 17 assists. He also had 2 steals, one block and one dunk. The only thing he did wrong in this game was shoot to much. (7/20) Still the fans in NO chanted the obligatory MVP!!

The Hornets currently own the second best record in the NBA and and look to get better. They will have a difficult schedule mid to late March where they have to face the Pistons, Celtics twice, Cavs, Spurs and Lakers in a 16 day span...Let see how they come out of the one...

NBA's worst? Sonics, Heat or T-wolves?

Well even though the Twolves won only 5 of their first 39 games, they have some how managed to win three of the last four with the only loss the heartbreaker to the Celtics when KG came out of the locker room to steal a victory from his former team. The victories were over the Suns, Warriors and the Nets. The next 2 games are a home and home series with the Bulls...I would not be surprised if they took both of those as WC player of the week, Al Jefferson and Sebatian Telfair seem to hitting their strides.

Sonics they are young, so I am giving them a pass for now.

So with the Heat going 2 and 17 since ZO went down and Shaq counting his money on the sidelines, it appears that they are probably the worst team.

FOX Sports on MSN - NBA - Power Rankings (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/powerRankings)

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I hope those with NBA league pass got a chance to see one of the possible western Conference finalists tonight. Byron Scott's Hornets team is for real and is a contender and not a pretender as some of may suspect. After getting blown out by the Lakers in an off night on 1/9, they have reeled off 9 straight victories, all but one by double digits. They blew out the Nuggets by 24 tonight after blowing the Spurs by 24 on Saturday night.

The team is young and outhustled the Nuggets all over the floor grabbing 52 boards to 33. Chris Paul who came out of the game with 4:45 left missed a triple double by one board. 23 pts, 9 brds, and 17 assists. He also had 2 steals, one block and one dunk. The only thing he did wrong in this game was shoot to much. (7/20) Still the fans in NO chanted the obligatory MVP!!

The Hornets currently own the second best record in the NBA and and look to get better. They will have a difficult schedule mid to late March where they have to face the Pistons, Celtics twice, Cavs, Spurs and Lakers in a 16 day span...Let see how they come out of the one...

1. Chandler is too soft
2. Their bench is not deep enough
3. They are playoff inexperienced

They will go out early, most likely in the first round, assuming that they even make the cut, even with their lofty record today.

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1. Chandler is too soft
2. Their bench is not deep enough
3. They are playoff inexperienced

They will go out early, most likely in the first round, assuming that they even make the cut, even with their lofty record today.

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We shall see?? I would love to have Chandler as our center today though and move Dice back to the bench.

The Hornets may not get to the finals due to their inexperience, but I do see them getting out of the first round and taking whomever to the 7 games in the second....as long as CP and David West stay healthy.

I don't think Chandler is soft at all. Their D is now ahead of ours, mainly because of him. He rebounds hard, plays good D, and has a lot of intensity.

I don't think Chandler is soft at all. Their D is now ahead of ours, mainly because of him. He rebounds hard, plays good D, and has a lot of intensity.


Ty was a monster and centerpiece of my fantasy team last year. If Joe could have just convinced Paxson and Big Ben to do a S & T with Chandler in 2006, we would have beaten both the Cavs and Spurs last year.:nod:

But Chris Paul is the difference down there and should be mentioned in the same breath as KG, Dunkin Howard, and Kobe as midseason MVP's

But Chris Paul is the difference down there and should be mentioned in the same breath as KG, Dunkin Howard, and Kobe as midseason MVP's

Yeah, he really trained Tyson to always be ready for the alley-oop. I would consider Paul for the MVP after watching him over the last couple weeks. I guess I would not really consider KG, because a KG-less Celtics would easily beat a Paul-less Hornets or a Howard-less Magic.

Yeah, he really trained Tyson to always be ready for the alley-oop. I would consider Paul for the MVP after watching him over the last couple weeks. I guess I would not really consider KG, because a KG-less Celtics would easily beat a Paul-less Hornets or a Howard-less Magic.


It seems like the NBA media has annointed KG the MVP because of the C's great start and somebody has to be given credit for it. Personally I would probably give the nod to Pierce as the "team" MVP because if he has a great game they can eek out a victory over anybody...including the Pistons:yellowprison:,

The getting blown out by the KGless, Rayless Celtics, and i mean BLOWN OUT. Last i looked it was a 39 pt game.

There should be a mercy rule.

Ty was a monster and centerpiece of my fantasy team last year. If Joe could have just convinced Paxson and Big Ben to do a S & T with Chandler in 2006, we would have beaten both the Cavs and Spurs last year.:nod:

But Chris Paul is the difference down there and should be mentioned in the same breath as KG, Dunkin Howard, and Kobe as midseason MVP's

I completely agree with this, and was upset Ben left, but i think even more that we didn't get Tyson in a trade w/ him.

CHI doesn't have a true PG, and for some reason throw alley-oops very rarely. In general, it seems like big men always suck in CHI. Don't know what the deal is exactly.

The getting blown out by the KGless, Rayless Celtics, and i mean BLOWN OUT. Last i looked it was a 39 pt game.

There should be a mercy rule.

This prompted me to look around and see if I could find the biggest NBA comebacks. I saw a Bullets game in the 80s in which they came back from what seems like 40 down to win.

But Google, the pride of the internet, has utterly failed me, other than to point to other places where someone had asked the question and not gotten back an answer.

Anybody know?

This prompted me to look around and see if I could find the biggest NBA comebacks. I saw a Bullets game in the 80s in which they came back from what seems like 40 down to win.

But Google, the pride of the internet, has utterly failed me, other than to point to other places where someone had asked the question and not gotten back an answer.

Anybody know?

Author doesn't guarantee that the list is complete or even includes the biggest comeback but then again it might be accurate.

Greatest NBA Comebacks. Greatest comebacks in NBA history (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Records/comebacks.html)



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This prompted me to look around and see if I could find the biggest NBA comebacks. I saw a Bullets game in the 80s in which they came back from what seems like 40 down to win.

But Google, the pride of the internet, has utterly failed me, other than to point to other places where someone had asked the question and not gotten back an answer.

Anybody know?

here's what i came up with...

NBA records - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_records)

The Milwaukee Bucks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Bucks) made the largest comeback in NBA history on November 25, 1977 vs. the Atlanta Hawks. The Bucks overcame a 29 point deficit with 8:43 remaining, finishing the game with a 35-4 run and a 117-115 win.

here's what i came up with...

NBA records - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_records)

The Milwaukee Bucks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Bucks) made the largest comeback in NBA history on November 25, 1977 vs. the Atlanta Hawks. The Bucks overcame a 29 point deficit with 8:43 remaining, finishing the game with a 35-4 run and a 117-115 win.

That's what happens when you trust your bench to finish out a game!

I completely agree with this, and was upset Ben left, but i think even more that we didn't get Tyson in a trade w/ him.

CHI doesn't have a true PG, and for some reason throw alley-oops very rarely. In general, it seems like big men always suck in CHI. Don't know what the deal is exactly.

Chandler is soft.

He doesn't have Pistons DNA.

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here's what i came up with...

NBA records - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_records)

The Milwaukee Bucks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Bucks) made the largest comeback in NBA history on November 25, 1977 vs. the Atlanta Hawks. The Bucks overcame a 29 point deficit with 8:43 remaining, finishing the game with a 35-4 run and a 117-115 win.

Last time I checked 35, 31 and 30 were greater than 29.

I think the article was combining the points with the time left in the game. But with regards to the biggest deficit overcome it was not the biggest comeback.


35 points Utah vs Denver 11/27/1996 (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Records/Boxscores/utahcomeback11271996.html)
31 points Utah vs Chicago 02/04/1998 (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Records/Boxscores/utahcomeback02041998.html)
30 points LA Lakers vs Dallas 12/06/2002 (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Records/Boxscores/lakerscomeback12062002.html)
Greatest NBA Comebacks. Greatest comebacks in NBA history (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Records/comebacks.html)

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Last time I checked 35, 31 and 30 were greater than 29.

I think the article was combining the points with the time left in the game. But with regards to the biggest deficit overcome it was not the biggest comeback.

Greatest NBA Comebacks. Greatest comebacks in NBA history (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Records/comebacks.html)

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well i gave credit where i got it from and was posting the same time you did, sorry didn't come up with the right answer....

well i gave credit where i got it from and was posting the same time you did, sorry didn't come up with the right answer....

The Google search was "Greatest NBA comebacks"

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The Google search was "Greatest NBA comebacks"

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change a word or two and you get my result.... google search was


nba records biggest comeback


actually would think mine would come back with the record.... shrug

anyways i bow to the mighty one... i'll leave the answers to you from now on.

Webber's Warriors take the stingers out of the Hornets


Golden State (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw) 116, New Orleans (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/nor) 103



NBA - Golden State Warriors/New Orleans Hornets Box Score Wednesday January 30, 2008 - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2008013003)

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Darko has career night

40 minutes Are you kidding me? That is more than he got in whole season with us. I guess he gave up the cigs. LOL
14 points
16 rebounds
5 blocked shots

He must have read my post and got a little upset. LOL

Kaman like numbers

The Grizzlies still got wasted at home by the Nuggets.

NBA - Denver Nuggets/Memphis Grizzlies Box Score Wednesday January 30, 2008 - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2008013029)

He played all those minutes because Pau is hurt and Swift got suspended.

Grizz were up 5 with 1:30 left and somehow were down 5 only a few seconds later. Total meltdown.

He played all those minutes because Pau is hurt and Swift got suspended.

Grizz were up 5 with 1:30 left and somehow were down 5 only a few seconds later. Total meltdown.

Didn't Sheed get suspended for a game or two when Darko was with us?

What ever the reason, he still managed to go 40 and put up some pretty impressive numbers.

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Al Thorton has 28 points, a career high, after only 3 quarters tonight after being in the hospital today with a some kind of virus.

Hayes also had a very good game after being sick during the day.

I don't know if Hayes was in the hospital or not that day.

I have been in the hospital and IV'ed during the day before being released. I have never felt so physically good as after getting IV'ed, except after a good workout.

You got to wonder how they can let these guys play on the night after having been shot up during the day in the hospital with performance