NJ Nets December 2nd, 6:00 PM

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The Nets and Pistons meet at the Palace for the back end of a back to back - for both teams. Detroit has another back to back in a couple of days.

Exciting game, starters are rested!

Don't get the game again, BOO HISS!

CHAT however, is OPEN!!!

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Early thoughts on the game:

Why, why, do other teams let Sheed take wide open jumpers?

JMax is coming into his own. He's really worked on his weaknesses (rebounding, FTs, and D) and is looking like a future 6th man of the year.

The Nets may have the worst bench in the league.

I'm really starting to like Afllalo

Lindsey still can't shoot

And AJ has gotten less PT and produced worse results than Darko at the same point of his career. None of which do I blame on Amir. Time for Joe start forcing his coaches to give his players some PT.

Third straight blowout win for the Pistons. The Nets were on fire early, but the Pistons managed to keep it tied after the first quarter, and then the bench pulled out to a double digit lead as the Nets' offense vanished with Kidd on the bench. Things got a little shaky after both teams' starters came back in, but a good run at the end of the half pushed the lead back to 10, and then a dominant 3rd quarter ended with the Pistons up 20. 4th quarter was pretty much all garbage time.

JMax was the big story of the night with 18 points and 11 boards, including 6 offensive boards in the first half. He came in for Dice midway through the first quarter after Dice picked up his 2nd foul, and JMax played the rest of the half once he got in. Rip got back on track with 19 points on 8-12 from the floor. He played 34 minutes, CB played 31, and no one else played more than 29. Things seem to be clicking very well now on almost all cylinders.

The stats tell it all:

Scored 118 pts and the most shots any Piston took was 13 (Hayes).
12 Pistons played and all 12 of them scored.
10 of 12 players snagged a rebound (Only Rip and Hunter didn't)
9 of 12 players logged an asst (minus- Dyess, Nazr, and AA)
9 of 12 players shot over 50% (sans- Tay(4/9), Hunter (0/3), and FlipM (4/7)Plenty of meaningful PT for Maxiel, Hayes and AA. Plenty of garbage time for Amir and AA.

Rip also seems to have gotten has rhythm back, real good game from him tonight.

Flips press conference sounded like LB, alot of talk about ball movement, player movement and looking for teammates and playing as a team. THIS IS NICE!!!!!! Real test coming up next week against Atl and NewOrleans.

Looks to me like we got a new "starting six" with J-Max. Outstanding game for the young beast tonight. Amir getting some relatively significant garbage minutes is a plus. Unlike YKW, he has consistently made an impact every time he's gotten in the game just by being active. His time is coming.

At least, I think we were playing NJ. It really did not seem like another team was in the gym though as JMAX got one offensive rebound putback after another.


Another blowout. Another fairly meaningless 4th quarter. Sure, Amir played the 4th, but no, he did not get to shoot the ball. This time it was Hayes who went off for 12 meaningless points in the 4th. Flip Murray got his share too. Amir did get an offensive rebound putback. And lots of fouls called him. No respect from the refs at all. Something about us never playing the guy until this, his 3rd year.


A 2nd straight game where neither Murray nor Mohammed played any in the first half. We were up 20 to begin the 4th. Murray was in at point and NJ used that to press us every time. It did not look pretty at all with Flip and Rip trying to advance the ball. It got a lot better when Afflalo subbed for Rip.


Billups quietly had another superb game, lots of points and assists. Rip scored plenty. Sheed, Dyess, and Tay scored some. Dyess just took one outside jumper in the first, spending a bit more time around the basket. Dyess did hit a few outside shots in the 2nd half. Even though he made them, we really needed to be going inside. Sheed too was taking 3's when it was time to put them away by continuing our inside game. On the other hand, we went inside so much in that first half that NJ was pretty much conceding outside shots to anyone in the 2nd half. Billups driving inside was about the only inside game we kept going to in the 3rd.


Jason Maxiell missed about 4 of his first six free throws. Other than that, what a monster game. He made one outside jumper from near the free throw line. Everything else was at the line or dunks from offensive rebound putbacks. His 18 points is one shy of his career high and he had 11 bounds, about half offensive.


Afflalo scored on a fast break, and at the line after making a move inside. He was part of a 13-0 run by our bench in the 1st half. (About the 2nd half of it.) Hunter started it with some pretty good D. And Maxiell was providing the O. Hayes and Dyess rounded out the unit that ended that run. You pretty much knew we had the game won just because our bench played so much in the 2nd quarter, ensuring our starters would be fresh if needed at the end of the game. (But of course, they were not needed.)


Even though Hayes only scored once in non-garbage time, I like the fact he spends a lot of time around the basket on offense. He does spot up for jumpers from the perimeter too, and can hit a high percentage of those.


Mohammed played about 5 minutes of garbage time, did nothing that I can recall. Samb and Dupree did not dress.


Jason Maxiell had to be the most heavily plus player in this game. He was in as our lead expanded in every quarter.


The press mentioned that Samb might be going to the D-League this week. I have not heard if that happened. Mejia was cut by our D-League team because his ankle has never healed. Stuckey can start playing in a week or so.


Of note. Dumars was interviewed, and that interview was played during a commercial break. The message "He fights complacency every day." I have seen a couple of things I like these past two game. Anyone who knows me can figure what those things are I am sure. Just maybe Joe Dumars is making his wishes a bit more clear.


GO PISTONS!!!!!

Mejia was cut by our D-League team because his ankle has never healed.

The guy that you thought should be part of the Pistons regular core rotation was cut by an NBDL team? What are all these GMs thinking? You talk about a lot of crummy talent evaluators in this world. Geesh!

The guy that you thought should be part of the Pistons regular core rotation was cut by an NBDL team? What are all these GMs thinking? You talk about a lot of crummy talent evaluators in this world. Geesh!


You are kidding, right? Read the press yourself. Mejia is still injured, and they don't carry injured players on D-League teams.

You are kidding, right? Read the press yourself. Mejia is still injured, and they don't carry injured players on D-League teams.

What is your prediction for when he will play his first NBA game?

What is your prediction for when he will play his first NBA game?
Alright, I have had just about enough out of you two. Don't start no mess with Uncle Lee, Laim. (Seriously, for the sake of humanity please don't start this discussion).

Out with the wife again shooping so I will have review the game on my DVR later tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for the recaps. Looks like Fips and the boys have found their groove a little bit early without Stuckey...which means if they can keep this up, he won't be rushed...but hopefully Flip doesn't stunt his growth either because of the recent success.

I thought 4/7 is more than 50% lol.

9 of 12 players shot over 50% (sans- Tay(4/9), Hunter (0/3), and FlipM (4/7)

Amir had five personal fouls in 10 minutes. Clumsy?

I thought 4/7 is more than 50% lol.
DOUGH!!!!!:doh::doh::doh:

This game is proof that if I watch or don't watch, it has no effect on the outcome.

Sounds like the Pistons are in a groove, and gee, they are playing 12 men. Crazy idea. :nerd2: :MusicBigGrin: :stirthepot: :gun1:

Many of us having been waiting for the development of Maxiel. And it looks like he is arriving. He has given us a completely different dimension on offense. He adds toughness on defense.

If we are to go far, this is the type of player development we need. It doesn't take much to tilt the balance. We seen it tilted against us the last two years. If Maxiel, continues to play anywhere near this level, our opponents will be hardpressed to contain us. His play has made the game much easier for our starters.

Sounds like the Pistons are in a groove, and gee, they are playing 12 men. Crazy idea. :nerd2: :MusicBigGrin: :stirthepot: :gun1::sssh::sssh::sssh:

Where's Darth when I need to knock on wood?

i love the pictures you can get from max around the basket...he looks so mean, and his teeth just accentuate it...even from a weird angle like this picture:

http://www.nba.com/media/Jason_Maxiell_300_071202.jpg

i love the pictures you can get from max around the basket...he looks so mean, and his teeth just accentuate it...even from a weird angle like this picture:

http://www.nba.com/media/Jason_Maxiell_300_071202.jpg

Grrrrrr Max hungry. Max eat ball.

Only 8 turnovers for us.

7 blocks to 2 in our favor.

We out shot them by 11%.

We out rebounded them on the offensive and defensive glass.

And our highlights (Maxiell) were awesome.


The only bad stat was Amir Johnson with 5 fouls in 10 minutes. Since he was enforcing the paint and usually fouling somebody else's man, no big deal.

Only 8 turnovers for us.

7 blocks to 2 in our favor.

We out shot them by 11%.

We out rebounded them on the offensive and defensive glass.

And our highlights (Maxiell) were awesome.


The only bad stat was Amir Johnson with 5 fouls in 10 minutes. Since he was enforcing the paint and usually fouling somebody else's man, no big deal.

I believe AJ is getting frustrated about playing time and is starting to get the "If I am only a garbage time player; I'll play like one" attitude.

Sounds like the Pistons are in a groove, and gee, they are playing 12 men. Crazy idea. :nerd2: :MusicBigGrin: :stirthepot: :gun1:

It was really a 9 man rotation in this game. Flip Jr., Nazr, and Amir only got minutes once it reached garbage time.

i love the pictures you can get from max around the basket...he looks so mean, and his teeth just accentuate it...even from a weird angle like this picture:

http://www.nba.com/media/Jason_Maxiell_300_071202.jpg

Nice picture, Warthog. What section were you sitting in? :pound:

I was reading a NJ Nets board and came accross this gem...

A game like this you need a Magloire to knock a Piston butt down in the paint or throw a Maxiell around and let him know he just can't fly around the pain like he's Peter Pan in Neverland.....


That is hilarious.


It's easy to take what Maxiell did for granted, since we see him every game. But if you are an opposing fan who doesn't really hear about him much, it would be extremely frustrating to watch him do that to your team.

I believe AJ is getting frustrated about playing time and is starting to get the "If I am only a garbage time player; I'll play like one" attitude.

DD, this is a real concern that you bring up. AJ could be headed for Darko-like status with the fans cheering to see him in garbage time. This is a road the Pistons should avoid. It demoralized Darko (although I still think he should have had a better attitude) and I wouldn't want to see the same happen to Amir. 'Course, Darko was drafted No. 2 overall.

^

Somebody mentioned his body language so i watched closely and yep IMO he looks like he doesnt care anymore.

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Somebody mentioned his body language so i watched closely and yep IMO he looks like he doesnt care anymore.

Amir may have been getting frustrated by his 5 fouls in 10 minutes. It would have been embarrasing to foul out of a game playing in only 4th quarter garbage time minutes. Amir was certainly not given any benefit of the doubt on a couple of those foul calls.

Anyone notice how the improvement has coincided with all five of our starters being healthy and starting as a unit.

I thought an interesting comment about Maxey was that because of his aggressiveness he does a lot better coming off of the bench because:

1. Officials tend to call games tighter at the beginning and therefore Maxey tends to get into foul trouble when he starts as opposed to when he comes in off of the bench.

2. His aggressiveness coming off of the bench tends to up the energy level of the starters still on the court when he comes in.

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Grrrrrr Max hungry. Max eat ball.

Nice dental work.

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1. Officials tend to call games tighter at the beginning and therefore Maxey tends to get into foul trouble when he starts as opposed to when he comes in off of the bench.

2. His aggressiveness coming off of the bench tends to up the energy level of the starters still on the court when he comes in.


I can buy that.

By the way, Dyess has been awesome.


As a general rule, I could care less who starts and who comes off the bench. Minutes played are more interesting. As long as Maxiell gets his minutes, coming off the bench is fine with me.

By the way, Dyess has been awesome.


As a general rule, I could care less who starts and who comes off the bench. Minutes played are more interesting. As long as Maxiell gets his minutes, coming off the bench is fine with me.

I'll go along with that!!

By the way, Dyess has a chance to be this year's Miki Moore

Dyess' FG percentage so far is 60.4%. Got to love those jump shooters, who can shoot.

Of course I wouldn't mind a few dunks from our bigs like the "Dunkin Dwight". 82 for the season before last night. Second is the league was someone, I can't recall who, with 34!!. Maybe Maxey can claim the 2nd spot this year in dunks.

Detroit Pistons - Statistics - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/det/stats;_ylt=AtJiPwcho3naJ25ZSxf73yF80bYF)


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Of course I wouldn't mind a few dunks from our bigs like the "Dunkin Dwight". 82 for the season before last night. Second is the league was someone, I can't recall who, with 34!!. Maybe Maxey can claim the 2nd spot this year in dunks.

According to the Sam Smith article linked in another thread, second place for dunks so far this season is your boy Andrew Bynum.

According to the Sam Smith article linked in another thread, second place for dunks so far this season is your boy Andrew Bynum.

Thanks for reminding me. I forgot about that. They did mention that last night on the game.

I wish he was playing for us rather than Nazmo.

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Thanks for reminding me. I forgot about that. They did mention that last night on the game.

I wish he was playing for us rather than Nazmo.

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That'be a good and fair trade - Nazr and Flip for Bynum.

I wish he was playing for us rather than Nazmo.


Young, athletic bigs do not grow on trees. Yet, ironically, they wither on the pine.

Amir may have been getting frustrated by his 5 fouls in 10 minutes. It would have been embarrasing to foul out of a game playing in only 4th quarter garbage time minutes. Amir was certainly not given any benefit of the doubt on a couple of those foul calls.

Could be. In order for him to get the benefit of the doubt though, he'd actually have to start playing during the actual game. Unfortuanately, i don't see that happening anytime soon.

I didn't see this game, but when I have seen Amir, he doesn't seem to have a lot of court sense away from the ball. I think he's still pretty raw.

Young, athletic bigs do not grow on trees. Yet, ironically, they wither on the pine.

So you think that Dunkin Dwight will wither on the pine. Interesting.

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I didn't see this game, but when I have seen Amir, he doesn't seem to have a lot of court sense away from the ball. I think he's still pretty raw.

All 4s and 5s playing with Flip look like they don't have any court sense. Flip has that ability to bring out the worst in the bigs.

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That'be a good and fair trade - Nazr and Flip for Bynum.


that will never happen...remember the Laker brass was willing to trade Kobe before they give up on Bynum, who they consider their next Kareem Abdul-Chamberlain:)

Amir may have been getting frustrated by his 5 fouls in 10 minutes. It would have been embarrasing to foul out of a game playing in only 4th quarter garbage time minutes. Amir was certainly not given any benefit of the doubt on a couple of those foul calls.

I think the fouls were the results of riding the pine until garbage time; not the other way around. He expected to play sooner then he did and I think this is something to watch in the coming games.

All 4s and 5s playing with Flip look like they don't have any court sense. Flip has that ability to bring out the worst in the bigs.

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He does it to the 2's and 3's he plays with too. :stirthepot:

I think the fouls were the results of riding the pine until garbage time; not the other way around. He expected to play sooner then he did and I think this is something to watch in the coming games.

Maybe he started talking on defense and got confused with the responses he was getting resulting in him being out of position which led to him committing fouls.

or maybe

He misunderstood Flipper and AJ started talking to the refs which led to the fouls.

Its amazing how much trouble a person can talk themselves into. LOL

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Its amazing how much trouble a person can talk themselves into. LOL




Are you speaking from experience? :pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:

Are you speaking from experience? :pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:

Absolutely, especially with women, where the best policy is do much and speak little.

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