Note the early start time. going to be the 1st bill on ESPN's Friday night NBA show.

tv: ESPN, WDIV

The Bulls are 5-11 and 2-7 on the road. Don't let that fool you as they always bring their A-Games when the face the Pistons. They would probably easily be 50+ winners if they played every team like they play us.

Another chance to see Ben Wallace.

Note the early start time. going to be the 1st bill on ESPN's Friday night NBA show.

tv: ESPN, WDIV

The Bulls are 5-11 and 2-7 on the road. Don't let that fool you as they always bring their A-Games when the face the Pistons. They would probably easily be 50+ winners if they played every team like they play us.

Another chance to see Ben Wallace.

Last time we played them, Tyron Thomas killed us. Expect to see him playing more minutes than Big Ben.

Tyron Thomas has something like Tyson Chandler's built. Tall and long. Watch out for those offensive bounds.

Bring on the Bulls. I don`t see a lost on the horizon till perhaps, maybe, at Houston next week.



Go Pistons!!!!!

Yeah, we need to chill these cats out. make sure they know who's boss.
They're still cryin' like little boys for being trade bait for Kobe.
I can't shoot straight because you might trade me. I'm so shook up and distraught.

Looking at the all-star ballot the other night. Right know there are 3 players playing SF that are pretty much a lock over Tayshaun

LeBron
Caron Butler- Dude is a monster this year.
Paul Pierce - You know the "Big3" are virtual locks.Now Tay can make this team but there are a few players he's in a dead heat with, one happens to be Luol Deng. This is a great chance for Tay to make an all-star statement. Shut Deng down and drop about 17/6rbs/5ast, that may help Tay get to the all-star game. Hopefully he'll handle it better than Mobley and Francis Hollywood and Broadway did.

it ws Chicago Bulls who stopped our Winning streak at the begining of the season. Pistons should have some revenge thinking here.

Looking at the all-star ballot the other night. Right know there are 3 players playing SF that are pretty much a lock over Tayshaun
LeBron
Caron Butler- Dude is a monster this year.
Paul Pierce - You know the "Big3" are virtual locks.Now Tay can make this team but there are a few players he's in a dead heat with, one happens to be Luol Deng. This is a great chance for Tay to make an all-star statement. Shut Deng down and drop about 17/6rbs/5ast, that may help Tay get to the all-star game. Hopefully he'll handle it better than Mobley and Francis Hollywood and Broadway did.

All Star Starting Lineup for the East

KG
Dunkin Dwight
Lebron
D. Wade
R. Allen

All Star Starting Lineup for the East should be

KG
Dunkin Dwight
Lebron
C-Bill
D. Wade


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Could be a tough game for us tonight.

The Bulls always get up for us led by Big Ben.

I wonder how many Cabrera T-Shirts will be worn in the Palace tonight.

He's got Dyess' number

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riday, December 7, 2007 Rob Parker:

Big Ben knows his mistake

http://www.detnews.com/graphics/columnistmugs/RobParker.jpg Ben Wallace made a mistake.
But it wasn't taking the Chicago Bulls' money. Only a fool would have turned down the four-year, $60 million deal he signed two summers ago.
Upon further review, Wallace should have never left the Pistons.


When asked if he made a mistake, Wallace didn't hesitate, "You live and learn," he told The Detroit News on Thursday.


Wallace, however, doesn't regret moving on.


"It was my decision, and I stick behind it 100 percent," he said. "There's no doubt in my mind that I was in a great situation in Detroit. I hate to have to quote old sayings, but all good things come to an end."


In my opinion, he is just being PC, by saying that he doesn't regret moving on. After all how would his teammates and Bulls management react if Big Ben came out and said.

Yea, I regret every leaving the Pistons and coming to the Bulls"

No, I think not. But, I would bet that that is what he says to himself when no one is listening and will put in his memoirs or auto biography if he ever writes one after he has retired.

Big Ben knows his mistake (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071207/OPINION03/712070343/1004/SPORTS)

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That's a manipulative title to that article.

If he could do it over again, he'd still go to Chicago. Nothing he said in that article convinced me otherwise.

That's a manipulative title to that article.

If he could do it over again, he'd still go to Chicago. Nothing he said in that article convinced me otherwise.

Why do you think that?

There are two reasons I can think of for him making the same decision knowing what he knows today.

1. He didn't like Flipper and wanted out, which is very possible.
2. He wanted the extra money, which Joe D. did not offer.

A third possibility is that he wanted to move to the city of Chicago because of its jazz scene and to ride the El on a regular basis. LOL

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I agree. The money - Flip + the big city. Plus, if his wife decides on his hairdo, then think how much pull she has on decisions like this.

And the Bulls matched up against us last year, so it wasn't like he was going to a bad team. He probably thought they'd be better than Det.

His ego got the best of him in 2 ways:

1. The contract size put him in the superstar income bracket.
2. He was hailed by many as the "missing piece" that would take the Bulls to the promised land.

Rip, Sheed and Chauncey all signed deals for less money than Ben in order to stay with the Pistons.

His ego got the best of him in 2 ways:

1. The contract size put him in the superstar income bracket.
2. He was hailed by many as the "missing piece" that would take the Bulls to the promised land.

Rip, Sheed (Amir) and Chauncey all signed deals for less money than Ben in order to stay with the Pistons.

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His ego got the best of him in 2 ways:

1. The contract size put him in the superstar income bracket.
2. He was hailed by many as the "missing piece" that would take the Bulls to the promised land.

Rip, Sheed and Chauncey all signed deals for less money than Ben in order to stay with the Pistons.

The next time you leave a job for more money elsewhere I am going to come on this forum and say your ego got the best of you. :nerd2:

The next time you leave a job for more money elsewhere I am going to come on this forum and say your ego got the best of you. :nerd2:

Live and learn. That should be the new Bull's marketing slogan this year.

The next time you leave a job for more money elsewhere I am going to come on this forum and say your ego got the best of you. :nerd2:

Well, you can't say it to me for sure, at least not any more (LOL) because I be retired.

:cheers: :MusicBigGrin:

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In listening to 'Horn today, he was surprised as was Ian Eagle that Ben played the entire game the other night and got only 8 rebounds. They thought he has lost his fire. It's a shame, but I wondered if he could keep it up into his 30's like he had.

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http://www.pistonsforum.com/misc.php?do=flashchat

Well ESPN is loving it.

Pistons play like Sisters of Mercy in the first quarter and only give more fodder to the ESPN/Celtic machine.

Hopefully they will do better in the rest of the way.

In all honesty they should win this game by 20 plus points. I think they have a soft spot in their heart for Big Ben and don't want to embarrass him on National TV.

We shall see.
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Or lose by 6. Anyone wanna give Nocione the MVP award?:mad:

Well once again we fall victim to the Bulls...First they stop a 3 game winning streak by the Pistons on national TV (TNT) on 11/8 and now almost one month later they stop the Pistons 5 game winning streak on national TV too.

The Pistons have lost six games this year...four when they allowed the west coast teams score over 100 points and two when they allow the Bulls to beat them scoring 97 and 98 points. Either they can't beat the Bulls or they can't play on national TV??

Frustrating game as the Pistons could never get beyond a six point lead and allowed Nocioni to dominate them in the 3rd and 4th qtr. In fact Noci, Duhon and Noah scored 45 points off the bench compared to the 14 we got off our bench.

For the Pistons it was all Sheed in the first qtr scoring 13 of his 18 points then. Rip was the man in the second qtrs, hitting his first six shots, but only 3 of his next 10 and was forcing them in them up with frustration in the 3rd. Pistons did not score until about the 9:10 mark of the 4th with Billups scoring the first 12 points of the qtr and 14 of the Pistons total of 20.

Tay and Dice looked horrible out there on the offensive end going a combined 4-19 with only 4 points a piece. They each had 2 points in the first half and 2 points in the 3rd qtr. But Billups kept passing to them because Flip didn't want to play AJ, AA of Flip jr.

For the Bulls, they killed us on the boards in the first half as Ben and Joe Smith had 11 and 13 boards repectfully. However in the second hand the two of them only grabbed a total of 3 between them. I don't know what the points in the paint was, but I know they dominated the first half with them.

Who would have thought the net difference in the game was Ben's made free throws as he hit 8 of nine including 7 straight. Bad loss for the Pistons as they had a chance to put togther a possible 8 game winning streak before heading to Texas next week. Also it gives the Bulls more confidence and we don't want to be responsible for waking a sleeping giant.:sssh:

Flip played his token young. Six minutes, six productive minutes, for Afflalo. Just enough to avoid being fired. Not one bit more. He is probably proud of himself for it. Wins don't matter to him. Just as long as he can keep getting away with defying Joe Dumars.


This game utterly cried for Amir Johnson to play. Jason Maxiell was in foul trouble, four fouls late in the 3rd, but he was kept in. Mohammed was totally ineffective guarding Nocioni - indeed its almost insane that Saunders even tried that for a moment. Jason was having deep trouble guarding Nocioni. Dyess had some foul trouble too. And still, no Amir Johnson, the quickest big on our team by far, and one with plenty of height to guard Nocioni. But Flip Saunders chose to lose the game rather than play a young player he is bound and determined not to play.


Hayes did nothing defensively, and yet he played. Another case where Amir would have been the better choice.


Some people may want to blame this loss on Tay. But wait a moment. You can't possibly expect more than 3 of our starters to have a crazy good scoring night. Rip, Billups, and Sheed all scored plenty. Rip started out 7 of 8. Billups scored about 23 in the 2nd half. Sheed had a blockbuster first half.


More reason to play Amir. Dyess has not been playing 30 mintues a game for us these past 3 years. What makes Flip Saunders believe he is capable of doing that now, 3 years older than he was? His absolute insistence on playing the vets, his rationalization to do so, does not make Dyess any younger. Dyess should be playing 18 or 20 minutes tops per game, whether he starts or comes off the bench. On that topic, Dyess did absolutely nothing in the first quarter. Chicago was getting all the rebounds. Both ends. Every trip. Dyess shot 2-10 for the night in all, so its not like he ever made up for it. And in the 4th, the middle was full open with Dyess in the game. No rebounding from Dyess. No D. and no scoring. But I pretty much guarantee you it won't matter. Unless Flip is fired, we can only expect the same thing next game, a DNP, for Amir Johnson while Dyess gets overplayed yet again.


Hunter did ok. Certainly nothing to write about. Certainly nothing to keep him in the rotation ahead of Stuckey when Stuckey is healthy. Not even for a minute. I'll take a 75% Stuckey any day over where Hunter is at.


To the posters who continue to defend Saunders, I say you are part of the problem, the complacency, that Dumars fights every day. Lets all get behind Dumars and send the message, the youth must play. No excuses accepted.

I hate watching this team play the Bulls. On offense it is all one on one play. The ball movement seen the last five games was gone. On D they can't contain them on the perimeter and when CHI does miss they can't get the rebound.

To the posters who continue to defend Saunders, I say you are part of the problem, the complacency, that Dumars fights every day. Lets all get behind Dumars and send the message, the youth must play. No excuses accepted.


Lee agree with your post and comments on Flip. If tay and Dice are struggling, bring in a young wipper snapper like Amir to see how he fairs. It was obvious that neither Dice or nazr were going to stop Nocioni. Not to say that he would have schooled AMir too, but you never know if don't at least try him.. with the Pistons struggling to score, I would have even tried Flip Jr for a spell to open up the lane and penetrate as the rest of the starters appeared to be intimidated by Ben and Smith in the middle.

One of the many diffenrences between Flip and LB is that flip just can't seem to coach in crunch time as he relies on tired starters instead of fresh horses..

Did Max run into a woman named Delila? His energy seemed to be lost when his hair was cut off ??

Do you think the fans will ever start a "Fire Flip" or at least "Play Amir" chant?

Our defense sucked. Our rebounding sucked. Our ball movement sucked.

Our players don't listen to the coach. Good times!

edited to add; Watch the Bulls go off now.

OMG!!! Talk about exposing a team. Beat to death on the offensive boards because Sheed and Dyess looked like 100 year old men that played back when the ball still had laces.

Then we beat them in the 3rd qtr by 1pt, but then Skiles brought Nocioni in to play the 4 and it was over from there.

I agree wih everything Uncle Lee356 said in ref to Flip and AJ. I'm not an AJ can save the day type cat, but this game was indeed screaming for the things that AJ does well. Ernie, so-true man...so-true.

Very unhappy to hear that they lost this game. Although with Ben going 8-9 from the FT line, WTF...

I would much, much, MUCH rather have lost the New Orleans game and then won this one, rather than the other way around. Being 0-2 against the Bulls is very irritating.

just got back from the game - not a fun one to be at for sure. it really looked like the pistons said to themselves 'hey, we got 5 in a row, the bulls are too annoying to put out our best effort, let's just play lazy iso basketball and hope they shoot themselves out of a victory.'

just terrible all around. bad switches - sheed guarding guards, no rebounding, no hustle, bad calls on maxiell, iso basketball, no ball movement, no coaching, no adjustments, nothing. the crowd wasn't into it, everyone arrived late because of the early 7 PM start time, and no one around me was all that interested in the game.

i could go on and on, but i'll just agree that this would've been the perfect game for amir to come in, especially without tyrus thomas in the lineup. i also would've liked to see flip murray in the game, because we needed a change of pace and had no need for lindsey's defense and poor shooting, although he didn't play terribly. i couldn't believe how easily nocioni was getting in the lane, and how poorly our guards were defending dribble penetration, when chicago is small and slow. either way, this game was as painful to watch as the knicks game, because the bulls are not a fun team and have a collection of some of the most annoying players in the nba.

on a sidenote, there was a woman there with the biggest rump i've ever seen, when talking about ratio of its size to her body. wow. imagine a skinny woman with two bowls of jello for her butt, each the size of small watermelons. seriously she had trouble walking with those cheeks. other fun parts were vinnie johnson sitting in the suite 2 rows in front of us, and an appearance by stone cold steve austin in the crowd. then later i went out to eat at applebee's near oakland university and watched 3 guys sit in the vicinity of 2 attractive girls at the bar, hoping to talk to them. well they must've been flagged far in advance, because the girl closest to them refused to turn around and acknowledge them for at least 30 minutes, and just chatted away with her friend. the guys waited patiently, and waited, and waited, and waited...but never got their chance.

then later i went out to eat at applebee's near oakland university and watched 3 guys sit in the vicinity of 2 attractive girls at the bar, hoping to talk to them. well they must've been flagged far in advance, because the girl closest to them refused to turn around and acknowledge them for at least 30 minutes, and just chatted away with her friend. the guys waited patiently, and waited, and waited, and waited...but never got their chance.

How long did you and your two buddies wait Warthog?:eyebrows:

just got back from the game - not a fun one to be at for sure. it really looked like the pistons said to themselves 'hey, we got 5 in a row, the bulls are too annoying to put out our best effort, let's just play lazy iso basketball and hope they shoot themselves out of a victory.'

just terrible all around. bad switches - sheed guarding guards, no rebounding, no hustle, bad calls on maxiell, iso basketball, no ball movement, no coaching, no adjustments, nothing. the crowd wasn't into it, everyone arrived late because of the early 7 PM start time, and no one around me was all that interested in the game.

i could go on and on, but i'll just agree that this would've been the perfect game for amir to come in, especially without tyrus thomas in the lineup. i also would've liked to see flip murray in the game, because we needed a change of pace and had no need for lindsey's defense and poor shooting, although he didn't play terribly. i couldn't believe how easily nocioni was getting in the lane, and how poorly our guards were defending dribble penetration, when chicago is small and slow. either way, this game was as painful to watch as the knicks game, because the bulls are not a fun team and have a collection of some of the most annoying players in the nba.

on a sidenote, there was a woman there with the biggest rump i've ever seen, when talking about ratio of its size to her body. wow. imagine a skinny woman with two bowls of jello for her butt, each the size of small watermelons. seriously she had trouble walking with those cheeks. other fun parts were vinnie johnson sitting in the suite 2 rows in front of us, and an appearance by stone cold steve austin in the crowd. then later i went out to eat at applebee's near oakland university and watched 3 guys sit in the vicinity of 2 attractive girls at the bar, hoping to talk to them. well they must've been flagged far in advance, because the girl closest to them refused to turn around and acknowledge them for at least 30 minutes, and just chatted away with her friend. the guys waited patiently, and waited, and waited, and waited...but never got their chance.

Was it announced as a sell-out? And was anyone actually there?

haha dre. we didn't bother :) lee, they don't even bother announcing sellouts anymore because it would seem silly. every game has a couple thousand empty seats, and it sucks because i can't sell them!! haha.

there was a pretty big crowd today, but like i said they arrived late and were never really into the game except for a few times in the 4th quarter. they did smooch cam, and after that was over, they panned the crowd for another couple mins and everyone was still smooching anyway. but yeah, pretty boring overall.

Flip proving why he can't win in the playoffs. He just has no clue how to make adjustments. Helen Keller could see that having a big on Nocioni was KILLING us. Outside of Max, our bigs play small, so Nocioni can guard them, but they cannot guard him. Never ONCE did Flip matchup with them by going to Jarvis at PF. It was the most obvious move on the planet, and Flip is still oblivious. He even put NAZR on him at one point!

I agree with you guys about Amir not playing. The guy is in his 3rd year here and continues to lack any trust at all from the coach. Tight game and his butt is on the bench while Dyess/Mohammed can stink it up out there.

Ultimately we can blame this loss on the Bulls playing well. I know they could not have possibly been playing this well throughout their previous 5-11 record. Something about the Pistons inspires them.

Flip has to stick with what works. Remember in Milwaukee when he took out Rip? He should of done that with Tayshaun and Dice today.

Chauncey: B+ He had a good game, but the Pistons always seem to lose when he is the leading scorer. If the Pistons would have won it would have been an A game for him.

Rip: B- He played very well until the 4th quarter. He started to force shots and go after Hinrich. It was how the whole game went, too much one on one.

Tayshaun: D Besides the throwdown on the Bulls Tayshaun provided nothing. Not only did Tay miss shots, including a wide open three that would have brought the Pistons within four late in the 4th, but he also got burned by Deng whenever the Pistons almost rallied.

Rasheed: C Sheed was great in the first quarter. I don't really care about how he did in the 2nd and 3rd quarter, but he did horrible in the fourth. After he missed a tip slam he fouled Nocioni on a successful lay up. After this sequence Sheed was unaggressive on both sides of the court even though he should of dominated the last quarter.

Dice: D Dice did not do much this game just like Tayshaun.

J Max: D He has done great up to this game. His foul trouble may have been the reason.

Lindsey: C He had some nice assists, but he did not make as big of an impact as he has done in the past few games defensively.

Jarvis: C- He did not do much this game.

Nazr: C Average game.

Afflalo: C Average game.

Flip Saunders: C Besides calling post plays for Chauncey in the 4th he did not make many adjustments like he has during the winning streak.

Overall: D+

Man the Bulls get UP every game to play us....it's so obvious. They consider it a "rivalry" of sorts. We don't really care (which isn't bad necessarily because we 'cared' during the playoffs and won). But they bring an entire different intensity than any other game when playing us.

AJ should've played--plain and simple--Flip putting in Nazr when their lineup is built off of speed and quickness was abominable.

Isn't Nocioni the slowest player on the entire Bulls roster? Why would we have to put someone quick on him to stop him from charging to the rack?

Hinrich (Hinbrick) was getting away with a lot of slapping, holding, punching etc. when he was guarding Rip.

Ben Wallace making his free throws was surprising and a big part of the Bulls win.

The microphone on Rip was disappointing..."Move Tay, Move Tay"...

Nocioni isn't that slow. What he lacks in speed, he makes up in craftiness. A couple of his drives took some pretty good ball handling and required tough finishes with the left.

By the way, how many times did we nail him in the head? I'm glad that none of those were called flagrant fouls. Nazr really clocked him, thereby taking one more step toward becoming our enforcer.

Flip has to stick with what works. Remember in Milwaukee when he took out Rip? He should of done that with Tayshaun and Dice today.

Chauncey: B+ He had a good game, but the Pistons always seem to lose when he is the leading scorer. If the Pistons would have won it would have been an A game for him.

Rip: B- He played very well until the 4th quarter. He started to force shots and go after Hinrich. It was how the whole game went, too much one on one.

Tayshaun: D Besides the throwdown on the Bulls Tayshaun provided nothing. Not only did Tay miss shots, including a wide open three that would have brought the Pistons within four late in the 4th, but he also got burned by Deng whenever the Pistons almost rallied.

Rasheed: C Sheed was great in the first quarter. I don't really care about how he did in the 2nd and 3rd quarter, but he did horrible in the fourth. After he missed a tip slam he fouled Nocioni on a successful lay up. After this sequence Sheed was unaggressive on both sides of the court even though he should of dominated the last quarter.

Dice: D Dice did not do much this game just like Tayshaun.

J Max: D He has done great up to this game. His foul trouble may have been the reason.

Lindsey: C He had some nice assists, but he did not make as big of an impact as he has done in the past few games defensively.

Jarvis: C- He did not do much this game.

Nazr: C Average game.

Afflalo: C Average game.

Flip Saunders: C Besides calling post plays for Chauncey in the 4th he did not make many adjustments like he has during the winning streak.

Overall: D+

Good points, they should have been pulled. So much for not tolerating complacency. Made such a big deal about it when Rip has a bad game.

Maxiel seemed to suffer from bad calls. There was that barrage of bad calls to end the 1st half where Maxiel was the victim. Refs appeared to make up for it to start the 3rd but it was too late for Maxiel.

Good points, they should have been pulled. So much for not tolerating complacency. Made such a big deal about it when Rip has a bad game.
Flip needs to stick with who is doing well. I am hoping to see him go with what works in Charlotte. I think Flip will pull out the starters if they are playing poorly, but I think he will only do this against the weaker teams. I am hoping he gets the confidence to do this against the teams that the Pistons might have to face up to the Finals (Chicago, Cleveland, Boston, San Antonio, Phoenix, Dallas etc.) This is the time to work with things.

Oh man you guys are such simpletons, it is impossible for you regular folk to understand the GENIUS that is Flip Saunders. Dont'cha know that when Flip put Nazr on Nocioni, Nazr was to execute ,"The Lebron". Nazr was s'posed to sparin Noci's fingers...duhhh.....such simpletons.

I guess with all that stuff going on the Pistons almost beat them anyway. Ben Wallace hitting 8 free throws while Tay/Dyess go 4 for 17 ( or whatever ).

Seemed like the Bulls were playing their best wheras the Pistons were having an off night. What was that game earlier in the week where we would not have won without the bench? Did not have the bench this game.

I guess with all that stuff going on the Pistons almost beat them anyway. Ben Wallace hitting 8 free throws while Tay/Dyess go 4 for 17 ( or whatever ).

Seemed like the Bulls were playing their best wheras the Pistons were having an off night. What was that game earlier in the week where we would not have won without the bench? Did not have the bench this game.

I think their is two categories of poor games. Not executing, not going with the gameplan, and one-one basketball losses. Then there is a loss where nothing is going in, but the team hangs in tough and they still lose.

The Pistons had the first type of loss. I really would not care if Flip Saunders tried every Pistons on the court and the Pistons lost. I would not really care if the Pistons posted up and drove to the basket 90% of the time and they still lost. I would not care if the Pistons played great defense and lost...but they didn't.

Oh man you guys are such simpletons, it is impossible for you regular folk to understand the GENIUS that is Flip Saunders. Dont'cha know that when Flip put Nazr on Nocioni, Nazr was to execute ,"The Lebron". Nazr was s'posed to sparin Noci's fingers...duhhh.....such simpletons.

The problem was that in the 3rd quarter, Nocioni gave his La Bron game five ECF impression and once again the Pistons were powerless in stopping him. I mean it wasn't as dominant as that infamous perfomance in Piston history, but it reminded me of the same thing. Noci drove past helpless Piston defenders for layups and some and 1 situations...he hit two 3 pointers, he found Noah under the hoop for a couple wide open jams and Flips' crew just watched him with no answer. Then Duhon who usually relies on the 3 ball, drives twice right to the hoop twice challenging Sheed as if he wasn't there and ball goes in. :(

I think their is two categories of poor games. Not executing, not going with the gameplan, and one-one basketball losses. Then there is a loss where nothing is going in, but the team hangs in tough and they still lose.

The Pistons had the first type of loss. I really would not care if Flip Saunders tried every Pistons on the court and the Pistons lost. I would not really care if the Pistons posted up and drove to the basket 90% of the time and they still lost. I would not care if the Pistons played great defense and lost...but they didn't.

I don't think Piston fans would have been that upset with the loss if Amir or Flip Jr had played or Hayes and Afflolo had got to play more minutes. But to see Tay and Dice struggle the first three qtrs and then Flip leaves them in there hoping that they would get out of the funk while we are strugging to score was the thing most upsetting...

I watched the Bulls/Celtics game tonight and even though it was close midway through the 3rd qtr, the Celtics were not afraid to attack Ben in the middle and they did not rely on one player to do all the shooting as they played their spred offense and KG kicked it out to the open man after backing Ben down. When Sheed or Tay try this, the rest of the Pistons stand around and Sheed or Tay are force to take a forced shot. Also doc played the rookie Big Baby 26 minutes tonight. It would take 3 year man Amir at least 4-5 games to amass 26 minutes!!

Don't forget the main reason BBeen bolted, his brother isn't 86d from the arena.
Goes to show you how BBeen can rally his guys. Some one or two would've gone home with burning ears if they put up a stinker.