At Houston Dec. 12th, 8:00 PM

TV - FSN Detroit, ESPN


It is amazing that this Rocket team finds itself struggling with the talent they currently have. They have dropped four of their last five games and are a .500 team at the moment. However, this team can still be a handful........

A certain big man in Houston is starting to sound a bit like a malcontent; can't say that I blame him, though.

Yao says Rockets soft after 100-88 loss in Philly | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5367107.html)

We're going to have lived game on local TV overhere which is the third lived game of my Pistons this season thus far :( and taped by to-morrow night.:yellowprison:

Could someone stream today's game (ESPN) for an European fan?
...and save me from Chinese commentary and lousy picture?:yellowprison:

Chat is open!!!

http://www.pistonsforum.com/misc.php?do=flashchat

Wow, I enjoyed Flip Murray's attempt to dunk over Yao in the first half. He didn't quite make it. :)

Flip Jr. is outta control.

When was the last time we beat a good team? :stirthepot:

When was the last time we beat a good team? :stirthepot:

A week ago.

Against the NO Hornets.

Yikes, what an ugly game. The Pistons somehow almost won it, thanks largely to a shocking 6-22 performance at the FT line by the Rockets. It was unbelievable, they were something like 1-15 at one point. JMax was the one real star of the night, crashing the boards on both ends and playing some great D. He was the only Piston who consistently played well throughout the game.

The starters let the Rockets get way out in front early in the 3rd quarter, and it was looking like a blowout, but they showed some heart by going on a big run to get within 2 going into the 4th. The bench played several minutes early in the 4th and kept it close, only to see the starters immediately give up a big run to go down double digits again right after coming back in. But they started chipping away and got right back in it on a couple of 3s by Sheed and Rip. They even had a couple of chances to tie or lead in the last minute, but couldn't get over the hump. Two 3s missed in the final seconds after a horrendous call gave the Pistons one last chance--CB had lost it out of bounds but the refs somehow gave it back to the Pistons.

Overall, I'm actually not too disappointed with this loss--it sucks that they played so poorly for much of the game, but they really did show some stones to get back in it when it looked like they were toast. The weirdest sequence of the night was one bit late in the 3rd quarter, I think...Tay was totally invisible for almost the whole game, but he stole a pass, ran down the floor, and absolutely posterized Yao on the break. It was a stunningly great 10 second stretch for him in the midst of a totally lackluster performance.

One good thing was that after Dice turned his ankle pretty badly midway through the 4th, he came back from the locker room and played the last couple of minutes. So hopefully it looked a lot worse than it actually was.

Rockets missed 16 ft's and still beat the 2nd best team in the east?? This was a game of ugly spurts and runs. IMO the turning point was when the game was tied at 63 and Sr and inserted Jr in there to run the point and not only did our offense stall while the rockets ran off a 10-0 spurt, but Flip jr went to the line and missed 4 straight FT's.

With the Pistons averaging 100 pts a game, there is no way they should lose to a team that scored only 80 points>>>

Once again Tay is still in December funk scoring 4 points on 2-5 shooting. Come on Tay, we win based on your aggressiveness. Nothing from the bench again other than the 9 pts and 13 boards from Max.. First time we have lost the second game of a back-to-back this season and the 4th straight loss on Nationally televised game. (on ESPN or TNT)

Rockets missed 16 ft's and still beat the 2nd best team in the east?? This was a game of ugly spurts and runs. IMO the turning point was when the game was tied at 63 and Sr and inserted Jr in there to run the point and not only did our offense stall while the rockets ran off a 10-0 spurt, but Flip jr went to the line and missed 4 straight FT's.

Dre, I just rewound on the DVR...Flip Jr was indeed making some bonehead plays and bricking FTs, but the Rockets were only up 3 when CB came back in for him at the 6:20 mark. Most of that 10-0 run happened with the Pistons' starting 5 on the court.

A week ago.

Against the NO Hornets.

I don't think they are a good team, despite the record.

Dre, I just rewound on the DVR...Flip Jr was indeed making some bonehead plays and bricking FTs, but the Rockets were only up 3 when CB came back in for him at the 6:20 mark. Most of that 10-0 run happened with the Pistons' starting 5 on the court.

OMG, D4E is studying film.............:pound:

Watch it, Dlev, or I might have to break things down on my 5th viewing of this game! :eyebrows:

The Pistons are still a good team, thats why most teams do not seem so good.

In the East playing Boston will be a test. Already played and beat Clev, NJ and Orlando.

Out West SanAntonio, Utah ( already lost ), Phoenix, Dallas.

Entertaining game at the end. Kind of sloppy otherwise. If Houston would have hit their free throws it could have been a blowout.

I didn't get a good feeling when they interviewed Saunders at the half and his strategy for the 2nd half was to make more shots.

It seemed like he wasn't giving Houston's D any credit and therefore wasn't going to devise a plan to get better quality shots.

Except for Alston, they had a very effective defensive scheme going. I hate to say it, but Bill Walton was right at half time... you have to go up tempo against a team with a 7'6" giant.

The only positives from my perspective:
Maxiell- a bit of a breakout game for him, b/c it was on national TV and he was a hustle machine.

Chauncey- killing small guards in the post. I can't believe how effective he is down there.




Oh, and I'll admit that my main man Murray was sucking it up.

Obviously the Rockets were worse at the line, but the Pistons missed plenty of FTs as well. They were only 13-22.

The main culprits for the Rockets at the line were TMac at 0-5 and Bonzi 2-9. Of course TMac did end up dropping 29 on 13-25 shooting, and Bonzi was 3-5 from the floor for 8 points in just 11 minutes.

Whoever decided Dice should be in at the end of the game, should be fired.

A lack of NazMo allowed Yao Ming to run wild on the Pistons.

Without NazMo, we're going nowhere fast.

That said, I enjoyed this game. The ghost of Jeff Van Gundy was everywhere.

Dre, I just rewound on the DVR...Flip Jr was indeed making some bonehead plays and bricking FTs, but the Rockets were only up 3 when CB came back in for him at the 6:20 mark. Most of that 10-0 run happened with the Pistons' starting 5 on the court.


Yeah but why didn't we pull ahead when he was in there instead of being stuck on 63? The bench has to be be able to make baskets and not be in there just letting the clock run while the starters are resting. You know Flips persona he shoots first and second and passes third. There for no one else scored when he was in there either..save possibly one hoop

I don't think they are a good team, despite the record.

We can't beat good teams, because we don't play with them.

Anyway, "laws of average" says that an offnight is inevitable. What beats me, that this game was still winnable.

Some posters moaned yesterday, why FlipSr didn't play against of grizz. Today you saw, why.

Yeah, Jr was pretty bad. But Hunter has been even worse, and obviously neither of those guys are the answer. We sure need Stuckey to produce once he gets out there.

Whoever decided Dice should be in at the end of the game, should be fired.

A lack of NazMo allowed Yao Ming to run wild on the Pistons.

Without NazMo, we're going nowhere fast.

That said, I enjoyed this game. The ghost of Jeff Van Gundy was everywhere.
It was Flip's decision to leave in Dice, so lets get his walking papers ready. I know the visitors should go for win on the road, but with 11 seconds left, I would have posted up Sheed for a possible and 1 situation, then go for that 3.....then with .8 seconds left all of out three point shooters sgould have been out there. Billups, Tay , Hayes, Rip and either Hunter or even Terry Porter, but hopalong Dice???

Yeah, Jr was pretty bad. But Hunter has been even worse, and obviously neither of those guys are the answer. We sure need Stuckey to produce once he gets out there.


You have to wonder if Stuckey had not been injured, we would possibly could be 19-3 right now instead of 15-7? Or are we putting to much faith in the savior?? You have to hope that he would be more consistent than Jr or Hunter:nailbiting::pray:

Well, I doubt he would have been worth 4 wins. But even 2 more wins would have been nice. Let's remember that 15-7 isn't half bad; 17-5 would be pretty darn impressive.

Tay was beat by TMAC totally. Tay is not even trying to shoot now from the outside. A sign of fatigue?


Billups was pretty awesome, hitting a ton of shots, but the shot that could have won the game, an open 3 with a few seconds to go, missed.
Rip was hitting from everywhere too.


Sheed got player of the game with 21 points and 8 rebounds. His 21 came mostly in the 4th quarter. He did hit some triples, one of which helped get us back in the game after being down 10 with just a short time to go in the game, but he did also do a lot of work around the basket. (Rip hit the other triple there.)


Three starters shooting well, and a fourth, Dyess, doing ok too. Can't complain about just one starter not shooting well.


JMAX had another pretty darn good game off the bench. He remains the largest part of our offensive rebounding game. He made a very impressive move on Ming, putting down the dribble, faking right and springing up left to make a jumper. And he makes his free throws when he is fouled.


No Amir. Its pretty clear Flip has Amir buried so far down the depth chart he will never see the light of day in non-garbage time. No more excuses. The ankle has long since healed. Just a matter of Joe Dumars not forcing his coach to play someone he wants to see play. But the good news is Afflalo did get to play in the 2nd half of this one, in a close game. Thats a nice change. Indeed, the game was tied until Murray thru the ball away, and then allowed Alston to hit a triple on him. Flip's response - pull Murray, and Afflalo. (and a third starter returned too - Dyess for Maxiell)This all triggered a 10-0 run for Houston. I will reiterate, the 10 point lead was mostly gotten with our starters on the floor.


Murray got the nod to play tonight supposedly because Hunter did not have a good game last night? Sorry, uh, I'll take Hunter. Now, Flip has not played much of late, so you can give him a pass for tonight if you wish.


Hayes has disappeared from the scoring column as of late. But it does not matter. He will get to play regardless of production. He is a vet. As long as it keeps Amir down, its fine with Flip Saunders no matter how bad Hayes plays.


This game had a very exciting end to it. Pretty good resiliency shown by our starters considering all the minutes they logged last night, and considering Sheed has had the flu bug to contend with.
Dyess took a knee apparently (to his thigh I think) but came back to play the last moment of the game. (But what was Dyess doing at the 3 line? No range there.)


Maybe we took too many threes. For sure the starters at one point in the 3rd were taking too many outside shots, as they were looking pretty worn out there. With Maxiell in though, they rallied big time to end the 3rd quarter, going on a 12 - 2 run. That and the near comeback in the last minute or so again showed a lot of moxy by our team.


Houston really should have blown us out in this game, but they could not make any free throws. They were on their merry way to set a new record for free throw futility until late in the 4th quarter. I think they started one for 16 at the line, with no starter making a free throw until late 4th quarter. How bad can you get?


TMAC killed Tay all game long, while Ming heated up down the stretch. This is a two man team for the most part.


Our starting lineup, in my opinion, should change, with Jason Maxiell starting. Our pattern of getting killed on the boards to start every game of late must stop. Glad to hear any other suggestions on this. I think Dyess is way overplayed. Another thing that would work, well two other things - would be to start either Samb or Amir instead of Dyess. Anyway it goes, Dyess has to go back to his bench role, with a lot less minutes. GO PISTONS!!!!!

I don't mind Dyess starting as long as he's not getting all those minutes.

I did hear that this was a tough game to play for some reason---2nd game of back 2 back?

Sorry, but I disagree w/ you. Flip Sr has said, that MadMax should play 30-something mins. But here comes that foul trouble. You can't devise gameplans, not knowing whether starter fouls out or not.

Samb is currently in DL and that says enough. Amr, among of many things, can't hold against starting PF-s and most of their substitutes. He would be killed as Billups kills smaller guards.

Ok lemme get this straight, a guy who only takes about 8 shots / game and hits about 60% of them is our problem. Sure OK.

I'll keep decent perspective and call this "ONE OF THOSE GAMES". I'll give Flip credit, he actually subbed in the 2nd half and got the starters some rest. Can't blame the coach for Tayshaun playing like a scared little uNOwhat. And dont give me that fatigue BS, if he'a already effin tired then call Phx tomarrow and see what it takes to get Shawn Marion on Roundball-1. Bad game tonight, can't blame coaching.....wait yes I can......:
Somebody answer this for me PLEASE. They say Nazr is here to play spot mins against teams with BIG INTERIOR CENTERS, so when teams go small against us i.e. Chi W/Noc & Memph w/Warrick....Nazr is on the floor.....but against the BIGGEST INTERIOR PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE- Yao, he gets a DNP-CD?????? WTF...somebody explain this to me PLEASE!!!!

Houston had to win. So not concerned there.

We didn't have good preparation for this team (when is our coaching preparation good?). Our shooting trouble was Yao in the lane clogging it up. You either commit to drive and get him in foul trouble or you settle for an outside game. We drove in and then fumbled around for a shot.

In the second half, Yao got tired and the Houston defense had some holes but we really didn't make them pay much. We still have trouble scoring against good defenses and that despite the great play of Maxiel. We seem to be thin at center. If we don't play Nazi against Yao why is he on the team?

I would have let Nazr take a crack at Yao, especially after Sheed got in foul trouble. Not sure if he would have had any success or not. Dyess was pretty effective at countering Yao by shooting J's on the other end. A mismatch that went both ways.

Yao had a good game, but keep in mind that he played 44 minutes and took 21 shots! Sheed had just as many points in much less time.

Just as Hou was playing good D on us, we were on them as well. Both teams seemed to have trouble getting easy buckets and started chucking 3's (15 3PA's for each team). The difference was that they had a "superstar" who could rise above the defense and get a semi-good shot off any time he wanted. It must have been a little demoralizing for Tay and Co.

Somebody please get a note to the equipment manager to burn these dang gone throwback jerseys, we are 0-2 in these darn things. They have got to go.

Tayshaun's worst game I can remember in a long time (he was terrible in every aspect of the game), combined with poor shot selection (the usual) lost this one. Should have been a blowout.

By the way, it seems like Jarvis is coming back to earth a bit. He's not hitting those bad shots like he used to. Now he's hurting us on both ends. Hopefully it's just a slump, but he's 3-for-19 (15%) in the last 4 games, and this is more like the advertised version of Jarvis.

Amir Johnson: being paid $3.6 million to sit on the bench. :yellowprison:

First of all, losing sucks.

Now that I got that off my chest, I respectfully disagree that JMax should be starting Lee. I think that he is more effective, as from what I've seen these past few games, coming off the bench. But he should be taking up more minutes from Dice and Sheed. Somewhere around 30 + minutes as what he's getting now.

I'm happy with Afflalo getting minutes. Minutes that count to boot. I'm not quite sure if Flip will yield to Stuckey when he returns though. He's more inclined to play Hunter and FlipM. With our coach, he'd probably cut into Afflalo's minutes.


Flip was wrong in this game. Nazr should have played some Yao. Dice should have rested kind of like that game when Sheed got banged up and decided to sit out the rest of the game, if I remember correctly, and JMax stepped up. He should give some leeway for other guys to do something for the team. I know we've been harping on Nazr almost all season but the least he would have done would be to expend his 6 fouls and send Yao to the line where they were atrocious. Nazr has shown more this season to merit some time, IMO than last season.

FlipS is inconsistent and doesn't quite have a handle on his matchups and in game adjustments, and he doesn't have that in-game feel that other coaches have.

Billups will be Billups.

Rip is really forcing the isolations and one-on-one situations when he should be more of that road-runner-coming-off-screen players, running his defender ragged. He isn't using his speed and stamina as well as before IMO. Loved seeing him come off screens and shooting that jumpshot.

Sheed will be Sheed.

Keep your head up Tay. Keep shooting. Keep in the game.

FlipM uggh.

Amir??? He needs the game time. And its not like he's really stinking the place up when he plays. He does well, gives effort. Defense is there. Offense will come with more playing time. PLAY HIM FLIP!!!!

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I know we've been harping on Nazr almost all season but the least he would have done would be to expend his 6 fouls and send Yao to the line where they were atrocious.

Careful what you wish for; Yao shoots mid to high 80s from the line. Yes, he missed his first two last night, but so did CB, but no one would conclude from other Pistons' struggles that hack-a-Chauncey might be an advisable strategy.

No Amir. Its pretty clear Flip has Amir buried so far down the depth chart he will never see the light of day in non-garbage time. No more excuses. The ankle has long since healed.

You finally realized that. Better late than never.

Like I have posted for the last month, we can forget AJ getting serious minutes this year unless one of our bigs goes out and can't play and even then it might depend on the schedule who we are playing and how long they are out.

So it is indeed an emotional conflict for me. As much as I would love to see AJ getting some meaningful minutes I would not want it at the expense of one of our bigs getting hurt, even Nazmo.

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You should never lose to a team that shoots 5% from the FT line. Ever. Period.

Sorry, but I disagree w/ you. Flip Sr has said, that MadMax should play 30-something mins. But here comes that foul trouble. You can't devise gameplans, not knowing whether starter fouls out or not.

Samb is currently in DL and that says enough. Amr, among of many things, can't hold against starting PF-s and most of their substitutes. He would be killed as Billups kills smaller guards.

Cheikh is scheduled to make his D league debut tonight.

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We seem to be thin at center.

As I recall this topic was covered in depth a month or two ago on this forum.

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Amir Johnson: being paid $3.6 million to sit on the bench. :yellowprison:

He only sits during games, but not during practice or when fixing a flat tire on the way to the airport.

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Flipper cracked a funny. Got to love it.


"We did one thing good tonight," Pistons coach Flip Saunders said. "We really defended at the free-throw line very well. It's probably as good as anyone in the league's ever done it.



Maybe we can get him a job as a writer for Jay Leno, once the strike ends. LOL

HOUSTON 80, DETROIT 77: Rockets go 6-for-22 at line, still win; Rasheed upset at 'Ticky-tack fouls' (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071213/SPORTS03/712130432/1051)

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Flipper cracked a funny. Got to love it.




Maybe we can get him a job as a writer for Jay Leno, once the strike ends. LOL

HOUSTON 80, DETROIT 77: Rockets go 6-for-22 at line, still win; Rasheed upset at 'Ticky-tack fouls' (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071213/SPORTS03/712130432/1051)

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Maybe "Ole Flipper" should be more concerned with looking more then 4 seats to his left during a game to find an answer. He is really starting to tick me off.

I can accept losing for the betterment of our young players (AJ, AA, Stucks and Max) and their development. I cannot accept losing because we played uninspired, sloppy basketball and the coach did not make a change.

I read it somewhere on the forum and it makes perfect sense. The motivation of the bench and the motivation of the starters is different. If you put the bench in a game where we have not been able to get over the hump and we are losing the "hustle" battles; they are more inclined to throw themselves all over the floor to make a difference.

USE THE FRICKIN' BENCH FLIP!!!!! Get something out of these losses except a black eye and a waste of time.

you are acting here, like game was already lost. Btw, flip sr has used bench, but it hasn't worked as should, at least in the last two games.

A common mistake here is to presume, that somewhere are solutions in waiting, just use them. Your bench-savior dreams are just insane.

We know that the Pistons struggle against the legit centers. But how many Yaos are there in the NBA? Center position is not really an issue with this team.

you are acting here, like game was already lost. Btw, flip sr has used bench, but it hasn't worked as should, at least in the last two games.

A common mistake here is to presume, that somewhere are solutions in waiting, just use them. Your bench-savior dreams are just insane.
Nope....not buying that one. I do not believe that there is some sort of "save the day" player sitting on that bench. The last two games the bench has done well. During the second half of last nights game we had 4 bench players and Sheed in the game they actually took the lead. FlipM (Mr Turnover) actually did well for us, except the 4 bricked FT's. This team went downhill when Mobley Rip came back into the game. Talk about the backcourt from hell, an over agressive Mobley Rip and Murray. The bench did well against Memphis but could not even get in during the 2nd half .....BULL!!!!!!

We know that the Pistons struggle against the legit centers. But how many Yaos are there in the NBA? Center position is not really an issue with this team.
We had not lost to a team with a "legit" center all season until last night. For the record there was no center available that was better than Nazr, no way do I see guys like Raef LeFrentz or Etan Thomas as upgrades over Nazr.

Amir Johnson: being paid $3.6 million to sit on the bench. :yellowprison:
Amir is being paid asif he was the 4th pick in the draft. He makes a lil less than Horford, and more than Yi and Noah. I just wish we played him as much as the Bulls play Noah. There is nobody that can convince me that AJ can't hold his own against Yi and Noah.

Maybe "Ole Flipper" should be more concerned with looking more then 4 seats to his left during a game to find an answer. ...

and 3 of those are asst. coaches.

and 3 of those are asst. coaches.

I would rather see Porter in there than Hunter. LOL

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Here we go with explanations on the bench minutes:


"I feel I didn't do a good enough job getting Arron (Afflalo) and some of those guys back in there," coach Flip Saunders said. "But, there were a couple of things. One, we played so well early and when a group is playing that well, you don't want to just change it. Normally, I would have taken Rip, Tay (Prince) or Chauncey, two of those guys, out earlier.

"Two, we took a calculated guess at the start of the fourth quarter. We had the ball and I thought we could maybe deliver a punch there and be able to take the starters out with eight minutes left and rest the guys."


And on Flip being in in the 4th quarter:


"He hadn't been playing and we thought he'd bring some great energy," Saunders said. "And with Lindsey, we talked about not playing him much in back-to-backs and we've played a lot of games these past couple of weeks. We wanted to give Flip an opportunity."


KO takes longer than planned (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071213/SPORTS0102/712130430/1127)

Hi raxrets! :D

Somebody answer this for me PLEASE. They say Nazr is here to play spot mins against teams with BIG INTERIOR CENTERS, so when teams go small against us i.e. Chi W/Noc & Memph w/Warrick....Nazr is on the floor.....but against the BIGGEST INTERIOR PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE- Yao, he gets a DNP-CD?????? WTF...somebody explain this to me PLEASE!!!!
I got 99 problems and NazMo ain't one. ;)

Amir Johnson: being paid $3.6 million to sit on the bench. :yellowprison:
Don't be jealous. Pay is not equal to work in a free market economy. :)

You should never lose to a team that shoots 5% from the FT line. Ever. Period.
Agreed. You should also not lose to a team whose foreign (notoriously soft) leader calls out the team for being too soft.

The game was mismanaged by Flip, he always falls in love with a successful lineup, and isn't disciplined enough personally to keep the rotation on schedule. Obviously the starters are going to be the most productive unit over the course of the season, perhaps even 5 times as much as the bench. That doesn't mean they should play 5 times as much.

Until Flip grows up, and becomes a big boy, and until the asst. coaches start doing something to keep him on the upward growth path during games, we're going to see more of this BS.

That said, it was only one game out of 82. We are probably going to lose at least 25.

Amir is being paid asif he was the 4th pick in the draft. He makes a lil less than Horford, and more than Yi and Noah. I just wish we played him as much as the Bulls play Noah. There is nobody that can convince me that AJ can't hold his own against Yi and Noah.

Exactly my Point By the end of the season these guys will be miles ahead of AJ. Is there anyone that wants to dispute that?

He has to play to get better. He also needs to get a reputation with the refs so they know his game. They need to learn "he has a great first step" or "his pump fake is good" etc. They need to know these things in order for him to excel in this league. It is as much about repuatation as it is about skills.

Ask Lindsey.

Pistons president Joe Dumars said after the 2007 playoffs that he anticipated Amir Johnson would crack the playing rotation this season. Dumars has said repeatedly that he thinks Johnson’s abilities mesh perfectly with the trend toward a more athletic brand of basketball.
The rough edges left on Johnson’s game are accumulating fouls too quickly – he had eight in his only Vegas game – and an inconsistent perimeter shot. But his shot-blocking, offensive rebounding and shot-making potential have the front office convinced Johnson is ready to assume a greater role in his third season.



PISTONS: On the Verge (http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/summer_070724.html)
That was the kind of stuff we were reading about Amir all summer. Yes I was hooked. Convinced they were serious about playing him and convinced that he would help make an impact.

PISTONS: On the Verge (http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/summer_070724.html)
That was the kind of stuff we were reading about Amir all summer. Yes I was hooked. Convinced they were serious about playing him and convinced that he would help make an impact.

GOTCHA!!!!!

I wonder if we could ask Keith - WTF happened?

I wonder if we could ask Keith - WTF happened?

He would give you the run around.

Somethnig like "He was hurt, missed the pre-season, Dyess has been playing so well, still is only 21 years old, does not talk enough out there... "

We have learned nothing from the Darko incident.

He would give you the run around.

Somethnig like "He was hurt, missed the pre-season, Dyess has been playing so well, still is only 21 years old, does not talk enough out there... "

We have learned nothing from the Darko incident.
The problem is that it is not a direct conversation, so it is difficult to argue a point that Joe he would do something and Flip said he would do something, and it is not happening. Oh well.

It just could be that Flipper doesn't like AJ.

It wouldn't be the first time that a coach blew off a young player just because he didn't like him.

Why wouldn't he like him?

Could be AJ doesn't sweat enough on the court or talk enough on the court, or who knows.

A sent an email to KJ asking her to do an article update on AJ. So far nothing. Not that an article about him in the FREEP would get him time on the court, but it could be that AJ is not too happy right now so she would have to massage the actual interview enough to make it PC, therefore no article. We shall see


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