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max
12-24-2007, 01:59 PM
At NewJersey Dec 26 7:30PM

tv: WDIV

For some reason the 12-15 Nets have a better record on the road (6-5) than at home (6-10). They either could be due for a home win or the Pistons can keep the trend going with their 6th win in a row.

No injuries to report other than Kristic but thats something thats more the norm now.

Dlev59
12-26-2007, 11:03 AM
We may see more of the Pistons lock down defense in this one as the Nets have been offensively challenged this year - they avg about 91 ppg, worst in the NBA!


Ok, all who picked the Nets to come out of the east this year, raise your hand!!!!!

Only one out of these three teams will make the playoffs; NJ Nets, Miami Heat, Cleveland Cavaliers...........Wouldn`t that be nice??

roscoe36
12-26-2007, 06:53 PM
Chat is open early! See y'all around 8:00! :D

http://www.pistonsforum.com/misc.php?do=flashchat

mikhail1973
12-26-2007, 06:57 PM
We may see more of the Pistons lock down defense in this one as the Nets have been offensively challenged this year - they avg about 91 ppg, worst in the NBA!


Ok, all who picked the Nets to come out of the east this year, raise your hand!!!!!

Only one out of these three teams will make the playoffs; NJ Nets, Miami Heat, Cleveland Cavaliers...........Wouldn`t that be nice??
That would be entertaining. However, I expect that NJ and Cavs would make it. Can't say for sure, but if the health holds up, they'll be there when it is all said and done.

TheeTFD
12-26-2007, 07:28 PM
Kidd can have his D.D.
CB with the W.

buddahfan
12-26-2007, 07:38 PM
That would be entertaining. However, I expect that NJ and Cavs would make it. Can't say for sure, but if the health holds up, they'll be there when it is all said and done.

The Cavs are still playing shorthanded. Marshall has only played two games this year. While he is not going to get anyone's sixth man of the year award at this time in his career, he still poses enough of an outside threat, including 3 pointers, to open up the defense a bit when he is on the court.

Of course with the Cavs if Bron Bron gets injured they are a total lottery team.

:hoops:

Dumars4Ever
12-26-2007, 07:46 PM
Anyone else want to join me in chat? Pistons are kicking butt early.

lpgrl26
12-26-2007, 09:33 PM
I know the game's not over, but it really bothers me that Hayes can play through his mistakes, and generally suck and never get pulled yet Afflalo had a not so good 1st half, and is now glued to the bench. A bad couple of min takes precendent over how well he has been playing.

jammertime
12-26-2007, 09:47 PM
I thought the Pistons played tonight? I turned on the t.v. and all I saw was a shoot around.

alexa032
12-26-2007, 09:52 PM
I know the game's not over, but it really bothers me that Hayes can play through his mistakes, and generally suck and never get pulled yet Afflalo had a not so good 1st half, and is now glued to the bench. A bad couple of min takes precendent over how well he has been playing.

Vets generally get a longer leash from coaches. I think it's safe to say Hayes will continue to play. It does bug me quite a bit just how much PT Arron's lost already.

Once Stuckey gets back into the groove of things, that might change, though.

Dumars4Ever
12-26-2007, 09:55 PM
Alright, good win tonight. The second quarter was mostly brutal, with the bench playing poorly and everyone forcing stupid jumpers. Somehow the Nets let them stay in it, though, and the Pistons went on a nice run to end the half with Rip getting it going off some curls and screens. Then the third quarter was a breakout, with everything working: CB driving to the hole, Dice hitting Js, Rip staying hot, and strong D forcing bad shots by the hapless Nets.

Pistons started the 4th quarter up 14, and in a very welcome development, Stuckey played almost the entire period as CB sat down. He forced one or two plays but showed lots of promising signs: a tough basket on a double clutch finish at the rim, a couple of jumpers, a few nice passes, and some impact plays on D at the perimeter. And he did a lot of it against the Nets' first unit, as Lawrence Frank left his starters out there until only 2 minutes were left, despite the fact that they could never get the lead under double digits. JMax made up for what had been a mostly unproductive game (no rebounds in his first 18 minutes) down the stretch by assaulting the rim on a devastating throwdown and crashing the boards a few times.

buddahfan
12-26-2007, 09:58 PM
Vets generally get a longer leash from coaches. I think it's safe to say Hayes will continue to play. It does bug me quite a bit just how much PT Arron's lost already.

Once Stuckey gets back into the groove of things, that might change, though.

If Hunter goes to street clothes or DNP coaches decision than AA will still get 5 -10 mpg
:hoops:

lpgrl26
12-26-2007, 09:58 PM
Vets generally get a longer leash from coaches. I think it's safe to say Hayes will continue to play. It does bug me quite a bit just how much PT Arron's lost already.

Once Stuckey gets back into the groove of things, that might change, though.

I hate that approach especially when the vet in question isn't playing well. I'm not too hopefull it will change. Just look at Amir. Flip just doesn't like to play the young guys even if they are better.

buddahfan
12-26-2007, 09:59 PM
Alright, good win tonight. The second quarter was mostly brutal, with the bench playing poorly and everyone forcing stupid jumpers. Somehow the Nets let them stay in it, though, and the Pistons went on a nice run to end the half with Rip getting it going off some curls and screens. Then the third quarter was a breakout, with everything working: CB driving to the hole, Dice hitting Js, Rip staying hot, and strong D forcing bad shots by the hapless Nets.

Pistons started the 4th quarter up 14, and in a very welcome development, Stuckey played almost the entire period as CB sat down. He forced one or two plays but showed lots of promising signs: a tough basket on a double clutch finish at the rim, a couple of jumpers, a few nice passes, and some impact plays on D at the perimeter. And he did a lot of it against the Nets' first unit, as Lawrence Frank left his starters out there until only 2 minutes were left, despite the fact that they could never get the lead under double digits. JMax made up for what had been a mostly unproductive game (no rebounds in his first 18 minutes) down the stretch by assaulting the rim on a devastating throwdown and crashing the boards a few times.

We played okay in the 2nd qtr except when Hunter was in for 6 minutes and we scored only 4 points.
:hoops:

buddahfan
12-26-2007, 10:01 PM
I hate that approach especially when the vet in question isn't playing well. I'm not too hopefull it will change. Just look at Amir. Flip just doesn't like to play the young guys even if they are better.

In fairness to Hayes his defense has picked up and he is hustling.

AA made some defensive mistakes out there tonight and Flipper wasn't too happy about it.

:hoops:

Dumars4Ever
12-26-2007, 10:01 PM
We played okay in the 2nd qtr except when Hunter was in for 6 minutes and we scored only 4 points.

It was still bad when CB came back in because he started jacking up stupid Js as well. But it started turning around with maybe 3 or 4 minutes left in the quarter.

LA Dre
12-26-2007, 10:01 PM
Pistons went through a bad stretch from the end of the 1st qtr to midway through the second before closing it out on nice run. buWe can blame the second qtr drought on Hunter and second unit who put up several jumpers and refuse to come into the paint. Even Billups came back to continue the jump shooting contest. (but he redeemed himself in the 3rd qtr)

Second half all Pistons and Stuckey put Flip on notice that he might be ready to play in the second qtr instead of 4th qtr garbage time. Yeah he missed a couple of shots, but he was agrressive and scored on some tough layups, fast break and a jumper. The Nets announcers said that Stuckey resembled rapper 50 cents:), so a new name for us to throw at him.....

Good win...could have rolled off 15 in a row if not for the breakdown in Houston and the loss to the Bulls at home a couple of weeks back. Still 21-7 and the second best record in the NBA and under the radar is stiil good.

buddahfan
12-26-2007, 10:02 PM
It was still bad when CB came back in because he started jacking up stupid Js as well. But it started turning around with maybe 3 or 4 minutes left in the quarter.

That is correct, but Hunter had screwed things up so bad in six minutes that it took C-Bill a few minutes to right the ship.

:hoops:

buddahfan
12-26-2007, 10:04 PM
Pistons went through a bad stretch from the end of the 1st qtr to midway through the second before closing it out on nice run. buWe can blame the second qtr drought on Hunter and second unit who put up several jumpers and refuse to come into the paint. Even Billups came back to continue the jump shooting contest. (but he redeemed himself in the 3rd qtr)

Second half all Pistons and Stuckey put Flip on notice that he might be ready to play in the second qtr instead of 4th qtr garbage time. Yeah he missed a couple of shots, but he was agrressive and scored on some tough layups, fast break and a jumper. The Nets announcers said that Stuckey resembled rapper 50 cents:), so a new name for us to throw at him.....

Good win...could have rolled off 15 in a row if not for the breakdown in Houston and the loss to the Bulls at home a couple of weeks back. Still 21-7 and the second best record in the NBA and under the radar is stiil good.

Hot Rod will probably never be a good shooter. He is a scorer among other things, but he is not a shooter.

:hoops:

alexa032
12-26-2007, 10:08 PM
I hate that approach especially when the vet in question isn't playing well. I'm not too hopefull it will change. Just look at Amir. Flip just doesn't like to play the young guys even if they are better.

I don't like it either, but it's the way the ball rolls. LB was actually even worse in that regard. I think Arron is a little better equipped to handle that kind of inconsistency in PT, though I don't think it's fair.

Only 2 minutes for Amir tonight a well - can't do much in 2 minutes, and he didn't.

OLD SKOOL HQ
12-26-2007, 10:39 PM
Pistons went through a bad stretch from the end of the 1st qtr to midway through the second before closing it out on nice run. buWe can blame the second qtr drought on Hunter and second unit who put up several jumpers and refuse to come into the paint. Even Billups came back to continue the jump shooting contest. (but he redeemed himself in the 3rd qtr)

Second half all Pistons and Stuckey put Flip on notice that he might be ready to play in the second qtr instead of 4th qtr garbage time. Yeah he missed a couple of shots, but he was agrressive and scored on some tough layups, fast break and a jumper. The Nets announcers said that Stuckey resembled rapper 50 cents:), so a new name for us to throw at him.....

Good win...could have rolled off 15 in a row if not for the breakdown in Houston and the loss to the Bulls at home a couple of weeks back. Still 21-7 and the second best record in the NBA and under the radar is stiil good.

LOL...Since Stuckey will only play 12 minutes a game,(1 quarter) , how bout "25 CENT" !!!!:pound:

Lee356
12-26-2007, 10:39 PM
Our starters played well enough in the first half. Not great, but well enough. Our bench stunk. Led by Hunter, they could not score. However, the bench at least stayed on the floor long enough to give the starters rest for the 2nd half. Good news, it won't be long before Hunter is not playing. Stuckey will get all the backup point guard minutes.


We were up by about 16 when Stuckey came in for the 4th quarter. (about a minute or two into the quarter.) The lead got up to 20 later. Stuckey made a nice assist or two, got inside some, made a free throw, and ever a jumper or two. Seven points. Even when Stuckey gets to the basket and misses, you say to yourself, wow, that was something.


Afflalo was in the rotation in the first half, but out in the 2nd half. In the 2nd half, Prince played shooting guard to back up Rip, playing along side Stuckey. Perhaps Flip felt Stuckey needed Prince's steadying influence.
JMAX had a decent 2nd half after an unproductive first half. (But JMAX played the whole 2nd quarter, giving Dyess and Sheed plenty of rest.


The 3rd quarter saw the Pistons dominate NJ. Rip was on fire, as he was in the first half too. Dyess had a good shooting night, but not enough times going inside. Solid rebounding from him as usual.


Billups won his personal duel with Kidd as usual. Not much to beat. Lots of assists by Kidd but he never made a basket.


Prince did a little of everything, not a lot of scoring.


Sheed was hitting his jumpers.


Hayes is still in a bad slump. The shots were once getting close, now they ain't.


JMAX is just getting steadier and steadier on his outside jumpers.


Amir did get to play, but only after the game was 100% wrapped up. Maybe 90 seconds worth. As further insult, Brezec came off the bench first.


Ok, what did we get from this game we can use in the playoffs? It was just ho-hum same ole same ole for the starters. Afflalo got a bit more time in the rotation when it counts. JMAX too. Stuckey played a whole quarter, mostly against their starters, where we had a lead but the game still in doubt. Three of our young players got time needed to improve their game. One did not. But this one is one of our best players, one we dearly need playing regularly when the playoffs get here. Should the coach be fired for not playing Amir. In my opinion, yes. Sure, there is still time for Flip to start playing Amir, but then again, I quit believing in fairy tales at age 5.


One thing we failed to do, find a different way to go at backup small forward. Hustle is fine, but Hayes has not been around long enough to deserve an unending amount of time to work out his shot problems. Besides, maybe if someone else got a shot a the time Hayes would try just a little harder.

max
12-26-2007, 10:39 PM
I am not going to worry about Amir anymore. Things will work themselfs out.

At least Stucky and Afflalo are playing. Stucky looked great but shows his natural tendancies as a SG.

Great run in the 3rd quarter where the Pistons shot around 80%. Found ways to find the open man and Rip was fantastic.

6 straight wins. 21-7 record. Have to stop and appreciate that. 2nd best in the league.

OLD SKOOL HQ
12-26-2007, 10:45 PM
LOL...Since Stuckey will only play 12 minutes a game,(1 quarter) , how bout "25 CENT" !!!!:pound:


http://files3.fluxstatic.com/0005D05B0002D51F0007CFFCFFFF/TN1/Jpg/B-817/AR90x90,Crop

http://www.nba.com/media/act_rodney_stuckey.jpg


GO shwaty...its yo birthday!

buddahfan
12-26-2007, 10:46 PM
I am not going to worry about Amir anymore. Things will work themselfs out.

At least Stucky and Afflalo are playing. Stucky looked great but shows his natural tendancies as a SG.

Great run in the 3rd quarter where the Pistons shot around 80%. Found ways to find the open man and Rip was fantastic.

6 straight wins. 21-7 record. Have to stop and appreciate that. 2nd best in the league.

He did have 3 assists to 1 turnover. He can average that per 10 minutes like he was in tonight for, he will become an all star. Plus 2 steals.

:hoops:

Dumars4Ever
12-26-2007, 10:47 PM
HQ, check out the pics I posted in the Stuckey thread.

I think Brezec came in before Amir because Brezec was replacing Sheed, but Amir couldn't come in at the same time because JMax was on the line. After the next dead ball, about 20 seconds later when Stuckey got fouled, Amir came in for JMax.

buddahfan
12-26-2007, 10:49 PM
Actually Hot Rod's game kind of reminds me of Zeke's when Zeke first came up, though Hot Rod is a lot bigger and probably will be a better rebounder than Zeke due to greater height and strength.

:hoops:

buddahfan
12-26-2007, 10:50 PM
HQ, check out the pics I posted in the Stuckey thread.

I think Brezec came in before Amir because Brezec was replacing Sheed, but Amir couldn't come in at the same time because JMax was on the line. After the next dead ball, about 20 seconds later when Stuckey got fouled, Amir came in for JMax.

That seems to be the current scheme of things. AJ is 3rd on the #4 depth chart.

:hoops:

round
12-26-2007, 10:56 PM
Amir did get to play, but only after the game was 100% wrapped up. Maybe 90 seconds worth. As further insult, Brezec came off the bench first.



that is max's fault, if he had made his 2nd free throw he would have been in at the same time as brezec... i think max missed it on purpose :stirthepot:

Lee356
12-26-2007, 11:00 PM
that is max's fault, if he had made his 2nd free throw he would have been in at the same time as brezec... i think max missed it on purpose :stirthepot:

Amir was actually starting to get up at the 3 minute mark. Someone told him to sit back down. Brezec was clearly put into the game first. Only after we made another basket yet, and the game was truly out of reach, was Amir allowed to play.

lpgrl26
12-26-2007, 11:02 PM
One thing we failed to do, find a different way to go at backup small forward. Hustle is fine, but Hayes has not been around long enough to deserve an unending amount of time to work out his shot problems. Besides, maybe if someone else got a shot a the time Hayes would try just a little harder.

Fabio's looking good right about now. He better get a chance. I feel like we're headed for Maurice Evans part 2.

KGREG
12-27-2007, 12:05 AM
First off, everybody calm down, AA is not in the doghouse. Hayes does not have a longer leash than AA. AA did not get in during his normal 2nd half stint because of Stuckey. Flip has stated that he wants Stuckey put into situations where he can succeed. I was impressed by the coaching decision tonight to get Stuckey ready. They left Sheed and Tay in longer than normal because Rod was running the point and they want him getting comfortable with those guys. Stuck is trying to find a rhythm and he can't do that as easily with AA, AJ and Primo as he can with the core rotation players.

Now, I'll say this......Hayes is just begging for someone to take his spot, before he was just shooting bad, tonight he PLAYED bad. His defense is getting better, but......stay tuned. Herrmann and AA should get a legit shot at his minutes if things don't improve.

TaShawn
12-27-2007, 01:47 AM
Chauncey with the double double! Showing up Kidd and holding JK to 2 points on 0-8 shooting. Man is Chauncey good. Makes it look effortless.

Rip was a robot. Some nights he just demoralizes the other team.

Sheed scoring from the post.

Dyess on fire.

And Stuckey showing that he can break it down at will. Very Wade-like indeed. This guy will take us to a new level.

FreshPrince22
12-27-2007, 02:51 AM
At least Stucky and Afflalo are playing. Stucky looked great but shows his natural tendancies as a SG.

He is a PG as much as Dwyane Wade or Brandon Roy are (Not saying he's on that level). He can set people up, but he's looking to score. I think he'll be fine handling the PG duties off the bench as long as he gets a few minutes next to Chauncey as well. Though, in the future, I think he'll be starting next to a Point Guard.

KGREG
12-27-2007, 03:02 AM
He is a PG as much as Dwyane Wade or Brandon Roy are (Not saying he's on that level). He can set people up, but he's looking to score. I think he'll be fine handling the PG duties off the bench as long as he gets a few minutes next to Chauncey as well. Though, in the future, I think he'll be starting next to a Point Guard.
Stuckey does the same thing our other backup PG's do, Lindsey and Flip, except he actually does it well. Neither other option is a real PG. Remember D.Williams was a SG at Illinois.........stay tuned, the boy will get better, in 2 years CB might be the best and highest paid backup PG in the entire NBA :).

KGREG
12-27-2007, 03:08 AM
Oh yeah, one more thing about the game. Maxiel. Why doesn't this team see him as a legit go-to post player. The minute they saw Malik Allen trying to check him, they should have called his number, Boone can't check him, Collins couldn't etc etc. Two days ago he was taking it to Mutombo (a 7'er) the other time we played Hou he took it to Yao Ming on a sweet post move. Why oh why does our team think that his post production is a fluke??? I dunno maybe its me, maybe I'm reading too much into things. I just hate that this team wont call his number with confidence, the boy is murder on the block.

buddahfan
12-27-2007, 08:13 AM
He is a PG as much as Dwyane Wade or Brandon Roy are (Not saying he's on that level). He can set people up, but he's looking to score. I think he'll be fine handling the PG duties off the bench as long as he gets a few minutes next to Chauncey as well. Though, in the future, I think he'll be starting next to a Point Guard.

Sorry but I totally disagree with your last statement. He was drafted to be our point guard of the future. Chris Paul had 9 assists last night to go along with his 40 points. Is anyone going to say that he is not a point guard? Just because a guard can score doesn't mean that he can't be the point guard. C-Bill could score 25 plus a game on the average if he wanted to.

In my opinion Hot Rod will be our future starting point guard.

:hoops:

NYPistonFan729
12-27-2007, 08:15 AM
I know the game's not over, but it really bothers me that Hayes can play through his mistakes, and generally suck and never get pulled yet Afflalo had a not so good 1st half, and is now glued to the bench. A bad couple of min takes precendent over how well he has been playing.


Affalo is a rookie, relax. Affalo is in a learning mode. Flip gave him enough time. The second unit could not score. Pistons have to find out about Jarvis Hayes. That is why they have continued to play him.

TWOTIMESRALPHI
12-27-2007, 08:21 AM
Sorry but I totally disagree with your last statement. He was drafted to be our point guard of the future. Chris Paul had 9 assists last night to go along with his 40 points. Is anyone going to say that he is not a point guard? Just because a guard can score doesn't mean that he can't be the point guard. C-Bill could score 25 plus a game on the average if he wanted to.

In my opinion Hot Rod will be our future starting point guard.

:hoops:
we all knew that Stuckey was drafted as SG. That's the position he's had played in College. The Wade or AI comparison is what describes him best. I'd wonder if any coach would try to turn him into a real PG (like Chris Paul)- Stuckey was drafted as a tweener.

Lee356
12-27-2007, 08:32 AM
Oh yeah, one more thing about the game. Maxiel. Why doesn't this team see him as a legit go-to post player. The minute they saw Malik Allen trying to check him, they should have called his number, Boone can't check him, Collins couldn't etc etc. Two days ago he was taking it to Mutombo (a 7'er) the other time we played Hou he took it to Yao Ming on a sweet post move. Why oh why does our team think that his post production is a fluke??? I dunno maybe its me, maybe I'm reading too much into things. I just hate that this team wont call his number with confidence, the boy is murder on the block.

Just to review, JMAX had Hunter as the point guard for about 6 of his first 8 minutes on the floor. The right things don't get done with Hunter running the point.

Oh, and JMAX absolutely should start, and his post up game be featured to start games. When JMAX sits, Amir should be out there posting away. We basically have no excuse at all not to posting up all game long.

Dyess has to post up more when he plays. The more fouls he draws, the easier it will be for Amir and JMAX to score in the post. I would say the same for Sheed, but actually he does post up quite a bit. The problem there is he has to go more toward up and under moves and such to draw fouls rather than just shooting over people. But he is so good at shooting those short jumpers over people, how can you tell him to quit. It will take work.

Along with that, Rip has to take it inside as much as possible, ditto for Billups. People may not like the results sometimes, but those results often include drawing fouls. Basically, the whole team needs to have the same theme. Go inside, get them into foul trouble. Afflalo and Stuckey will help a lot in this too.

buddahfan
12-27-2007, 09:52 AM
Affalo is a rookie, relax. Affalo is in a learning mode. Flip gave him enough time. The second unit could not score. Pistons have to find out about Jarvis Hayes. That is why they have continued to play him.

Lindsey Hunter. There is no problem with the second unit other than Lindsey Hunter.

Hayes will come out of his slump.

The key question is when does Hot Rod start coming in at the beginning of the second quarter and not Hunter.

:hoops:

buddahfan
12-27-2007, 09:53 AM
we all knew that Stuckey was drafted as SG. That's the position he's had played in College. The Wade or AI comparison is what describes him best. I'd wonder if any coach would try to turn him into a real PG (like Chris Paul)- Stuckey was drafted as a tweener.

That is incorrect. You may believe that but he was drafted to be our point guard. Otherwise we would never have drafted AA, who does not play the point at all.

Hot Rod was a combo guard in college drafted by us to be our future point guard.


Showing impressive poise for a rookie at both guard positions, Rodney Stuckey (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rodney-Stuckey-1015/) got a great run in at the Vegas Summer League and looks well ahead of schedule relative to what we expected from him.

A combo guard from a low-major school who was expected to be Mr. Everything for Eastern Washington, it was quite surprising to see the patience he showed running Detroit’s offense at the point guard spot.

Stuckey made good decisions for the most part in the half-court set, looking to execute the plays relayed to him from the sidelines and not having any problem at all feeding his teammates--particularly Jason Maxiell (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jason-Maxiell-419/) in the post. He took what the defenses gave him on pick and roll plays and did not get flustered when trapped/double-teamed at the top of the key. Stuckey didn’t get caught up in the type of stubborn over-dribbling that we typically see from mid-major combo guards, which is a great sign as far as his future development within Detroit’s offense is concerned.

As long as C-Bill continues to start Hot Rod will see some time at the #2 along side C-Bill, but most of his time will be at the #1, which is what he will eventually be for us as a starter.

DraftExpress Profile: Rodney Stuckey (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rodney-Stuckey-1015/)


:hoops:

Warthog
12-27-2007, 03:39 PM
what a great game. we looked terrible in the 1st half but just demoralized them in the 3rd quarter. even better, stuckey got quality minutes against NJ's starters (and some of our own), and looked good. some rookie mistakes...but his drives to the hoop...wow. even the one he missed was impressive. he even got a well-timed block, and on one drive to the basket he drew 4 defenders and smartly dished off to Brezec for an easy layup.

then maxiell? goodness. it's too bad that dunk on sean williams wasn't clean because on the replay he cocked his arm so far back it was ridiculous. i love that he went straight at williams and dared him to block it. what an animal.

the other thing i like about stuckey is that he gets rid of the ball quickly on offense. unlike hunter, he gets the ball up the court and makes an early initial pass to get some movement. goodbye flip murray.

with the ability of jmax/sheed/dice to share the load up front, stuckey really becomes key, and his development is far more important to us winning a 'ship this year than amir johnson's. what i mean by that is, we can get by with our 3 big men up front, but we can't get by with just flip/lindsey backing up chauncey.

buddahfan
12-27-2007, 04:14 PM
with the ability of jmax/sheed/dice to share the load up front, stuckey really becomes key, and his development is far more important to us winning a 'ship this year than amir johnson's. what i mean by that is, we can get by with our 3 big men up front, but we can't get by with just flip/lindsey backing up chauncey.

Right On

:hoops:

mikhail1973
12-27-2007, 05:03 PM
Right On

:hoops:
I agree too. Pistons also have Brezec as a backup big.

lpgrl26
12-27-2007, 06:05 PM
Affalo is a rookie, relax. Affalo is in a learning mode. Flip gave him enough time. The second unit could not score. Pistons have to find out about Jarvis Hayes. That is why they have continued to play him.

What exactly do they have to find out about him? He's a streak shooter that isn't a good defender (although he does try very hard). What Hayes can do is already known.

max
12-27-2007, 08:51 PM
What exactly do they have to find out about him? He's a streak shooter that isn't a good defender (although he does try very hard). What Hayes can do is already known.

There was a lot of hype with Hayes. 7th pick in the draft a few years ago who was sidelined with injuries. I think they may have thought he would be another Billups who just needed a chance. Not looking like it so far.

KGREG
12-27-2007, 09:27 PM
the other thing i like about stuckey is that he gets rid of the ball quickly on offense. unlike hunter, he gets the ball up the court and makes an early initial pass to get some movement. goodbye flip murray.


Don't leave out Chauncey. He's another one who wont give the rock up early in the clock. I wish that these dudes would realize that when you give the ball up early it gives you a chance to run more options on a possession, when you hold the rock too long, it's option A, and option A only.

with the ability of jmax/sheed/dice to share the load up front, stuckey really becomes key, and his development is far more important to us winning a 'ship this year than amir johnson's. what i mean by that is, we can get by with our 3 big men up front, but we can't get by with just flip/lindsey backing up chauncey.

Right On!!! Just thought I'd join the right on party!!!!

linwood
12-27-2007, 09:33 PM
Right On!!! Just thought I'd join the right on party!!!!
Right on!

lpgrl26
12-27-2007, 10:58 PM
There was a lot of hype with Hayes. 7th pick in the draft a few years ago who was sidelined with injuries. I think they may have thought he would be another Billups who just needed a chance. Not looking like it so far.

I had no idea he was picked that high. From watching him in WAS, i figured he was a late 1st rounder, maybe even early 2nd. It makes sense now why WAS always seemed to expect so much more from him.

Warthog
12-28-2007, 12:05 AM
he was actually the 10th pick, but close enough. it was the james/darko/carmelo/bosh/wade draft.

NYPistonFan729
12-28-2007, 08:56 AM
Lindsey Hunter. There is no problem with the second unit other than Lindsey Hunter.

Hayes will come out of his slump.

The key question is when does Hot Rod start coming in at the beginning of the second quarter and not Hunter.

:hoops:

Lindsay because of his friendship with Joe will not go away. Hopefully, in the coming weeks we will see more of stuckey in the 2nd period. Lets pray.

max
12-28-2007, 09:03 AM
he was actually the 10th pick, but close enough. it was the james/darko/carmelo/bosh/wade draft.

yes he was the 10th pick. I heard on the radio some time back about him being 7, he was 10.

buddahfan
12-28-2007, 11:44 AM
Lindsay because of his friendship with Joe will not go away. Hopefully, in the coming weeks we will see more of stuckey in the 2nd period. Lets pray.

A little voodoo wouldn't hurt either.

Anyone got a Lindsey Hunter bobble head they can work with.

:hoops: