Detroit Pistons @ Charlotte Bobcats

7:00 PM

Saturday, January 12th

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Radio: 1130 WDFN

Is this NazMo's revenge game, or will Brezec make Charlotte Bobcasts in their own city?

League Charlotte scorers, Jason Richardson and Gerald Wallace. Raymond Felton leads the team in assists @ 6.9 per game, and Emeka Okafor is the team's leading rebounder.

Nazr "The Decider" Mohammed is a solid 11 point, 9 rebound player off the bench for Charlotte.

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I m so pissed to miss this game tonight. I have GOT to get richer or hit the lottery. I was all set to meet stephanie 2nite. Nothing ever goes right for me....rats!!!!

Bench time tonight with shorthanded Bobcats?

56-26 PIP is not simply due to player execution. That happens by design. Especially when your design is simply to shoot from the outside all night.

56-26 PIP is not simply due to player execution. That happens by design. Especially when your design is simply to shoot from the outside all night.

That's what Flip was able to instill in the players. Even Prince said - "we are a jump shooting team". Why couldn't he instill something helpful instead?

Ugly, forgettable win tonight...the injury-riddled Bobcats only dressed 8 players and were coming off a double OT loss in Cleveland last night, but they still got into the lane at will throughout most of the second half and almost beat the Pistons 3 nights after beating the Celtics. It looked like an easy win as the starters got out to a big lead in the first quarter, but in a weird second quarter, atrocious play from the bench somehow kept the lead in double digits before the starters came back in and gave most of it away. A lot of bad defense in the second half, combined with a ton of terrible officiating, nearly cost the Pistons the game until CB hit a big 3 in the final minutes to tie it. Probably the less said about this game, the better...a loss obviously would been awful, but the win wasn't a whole lot better. Maybe we're officially entering the "dog days" portion of the season?

A close game that Pistons pulled out after playing pretty bad for 3 quarters + overtime. On that last play where Okafor got called for the goaltending - first he pushed off J-Max to free himself up, then Mohammed pushed Wallace in the back to get the tip in. Refs could've called a foul on either of those plays, so the final call is a mute point. There were also a few questionable calls that made the game closer. But the main problem was that chucking of the jump shots. Rip just kept shooting 3's and missing. Wasn't pretty to watch. Nobody on Pistons can penetrate and finish, at least nobody from the starters. Sheed needs to spend more time on the block. Not necessarily to post up, but at least to draw players and have plays running through him. Most of the time they went to him in the post they ended up with something good. Flip needs to put some plays other than jump shots into that famous playbook of his.

Pistons steal a victory tonight from the shorthanded Bobcats who outplayed the Pistons tonight. I don't know what the final discrepancy in the paint was but it had to be at least 30+ points. The bench who has had no practice the last two games showed it tonight shooting a paultry 4-21 including 1-8 by hayes. Not to be outdone dice tried to duplicate the figures for the starters going 1-7. Seems that 2008 has been a rough start for Dice, max and Stuckey...hopefully they get out of this funk soon...maybe they just need to get back home.

Rip almost killed us in the end missing 4 straight 3 pointers before hitting a short jumper from the side and and then the last 2 FT to seal the deal. Pistons now 17-0 when scoring 100 points and they needed everyone of them. Good awkward 3 ball to tie it a 91 with less than 15 seconds by Billups.

Meanwhile expect Jordan and Sam Vincent to file a protest vs the ref who called Okafor on a goal tend with less than 3 seconds let in the OT. They will be investigating if he is on the take with Donaghy :sssh:

Looks like the Celtics are going down tonight too..:cheers:

Anyone disagrees that Charlotte got a lot of help from the refs in the game? Not saying intentional, but calls seemed to be slanted a bit. Also, as I said before, there looked to have been two fouls by Charlotte on the last play. I say it was a fair ending. You know, I am not the one to pout about officiating, but this just didn't look good.

I thought the officiating in the third quarter was slanted badly toward the Bobcats, but the refs decided to even things out a bit more in the 4th quarter by making bad calls on both ends. Whatever it was, it was bad.

Anyone disagrees that Charlotte got a lot of help from the refs in the game? Not saying intentional, but calls seemed to be slanted a bit. Also, as I said before, there looked to have been two fouls by Charlotte on the last play. I say it was a fair ending. You know, I am not the one to pout about officiating, but this just didn't look good.

Fouls were almost even at 26 for Pistons and 23 for the Cats, but the refs seem inconsistant. Nazrr actually fouled Sheed on the put back, so even if the goaltend had not occurred, the pistons should have got the ball back. The Bobcats were much more aggressive than we were. We played like we had been in a double OT game the night before.

Nazr was a monster thorn in our side 19 pts an 13 boards...I am sure joe was impressed. looks like MJ may have the last laugh on this trade especially if the Cats start to put together a run here...we could see them in the first round!!

Fouls were almost even at 26 for Pistons and 23 for the Cats, but the refs seem inconsistant. Nazrr actually fouled Sheed on the put back, so even if the goaltend had not occurred, the pistons should have got the ball back. The Bobcats were much more aggressive than we were. We played like we had been in a double OT game the night before.

Nazr was a monster thorn in our side 19 pts an 13 boards...I am sure joe was impressed. looks like MJ may have the last laugh on this trade especially if the Cats start to put together a run here...we could see them in the first round!!

It may end up a trade that benefited both teams with Nazr actually helping Bobcats and Pistons getting rid of a significant contract of a player who didn't fit in.

i thought the officiating was terrible but again the pistons got lazy after getting a huge lead. there was a lot of garbage plays where we could've gone up by 6-8, but thanks to a no-call and and-1 on the other end, it would stay at like a 2-3 point game.

jarvis had wide open looks from 3, just missed...same with rip. 0/5 and 2/9 from long range...youch. and again we continue to take long 2s.

pretty ugly all around, max continues to struggle along with dyess, and stuckey needs to be more aggressive rather than just pass once while 4 feet behind the 3-line and then let someone else shoot. at least afflalo got some time. this would've been a good game to get amir in, yet nothing...again. what's going on there, and when is someone in the media finally going to give us the scoop?

i thought the officiating was terrible but again the pistons got lazy after getting a huge lead. there was a lot of garbage plays where we could've gone up by 6-8, but thanks to a no-call and and-1 on the other end, it would stay at like a 2-3 point game.

jarvis had wide open looks from 3, just missed...same with rip. 0/5 and 2/9 from long range...youch. and again we continue to take long 2s.

pretty ugly all around, max continues to struggle along with dyess, and stuckey needs to be more aggressive rather than just pass once while 4 feet behind the 3-line and then let someone else shoot. at least afflalo got some time. this would've been a good game to get amir in, yet nothing...again. what's going on there, and when is someone in the media finally going to give us the scoop?
Didn't Langois just recently say on Pistons.com that they don't think that Amir is not ready to play yet?

Didn't watch the game, but love the point differential in the paint!, and the min for Rip,Tay,Billups. It's nice to know we can depend on Flip using the bench.

:)

This is on the heels of an article that talks about how the Pistons are looking to score more in the paint. A little disappointing. Also what's gotten into Nazr? That's 2 or 3 games in a row, he's beasting. Was he still his usual awful self defensively?

I thought Hermann would get more burn; it being his old team and all, and Afflalo since it seems like we were getting burned in the paint ?

Upset about it being w/o Felton, and them coming off double OT, but the Bobcats have been playing tough, and always play us tough. Is it worth watching later or a game to skip?

edited to add;
Maybe the min are catching up to Dice. Max could just be hitting a wall of some sorts. He isn't use to playing this much either.

Upset about it being w/o Felton, and them coming off double OT, but the Bobcats have been playing tough, and always play us tough. Is it worth watching later or a game to skip?

The first quarter was great, but after that, I would suggest you burn the tape. :flame:

Didn't Langois just recently say on Pistons.com that they don't think that Amir is not ready to play yet?

i don't think so

The first quarter was great, but after that, I would suggest you burn the tape. :flame:


I concur. I have it taped on my DVR, but will definitely delete it. The Pistons should burn it too, but Flip needs to show them how we got beat up in the paint and question those 29 three point attempts...Obviously we still do not know how to break down a zone...or even attempt a layup...while both Boston and Charlotte performed layup drills on us.

Reason 1 why we wont win Title:
BY FARRRRRRR!!! the worst win of the season and Flip's worse coaching job by miles. Here was a Bobcat team with NO point guards and we pressed and trapped them as many times as I've had sex with Janet Jackson!! NONE!!!:gun1:Is he nuts! U gonna let MATT CARROLL walk the ball up. This was a sign that if it wasnt for Cowens and Porter, there'd be no control of this team. Unless we WIN the Championship, this will be Flip's last year. ....Duh-uh!

reason 2: Sheed
If yall think that the Piston players 'really' have faith that sheed will be there when the going gets tough, yall dont watch the body language. he air balled a freekin layup tonite. He had 6 rebounds and played his usual "let my exteammate get his tonite" defense on Nazr. 19 pts and 13 rebounds!!???Give me a fff-in break!! Then he went "LeBron matador" again on GWallace. I just dont trust him. U gonna tell me Mohammed is better than Duncan?

reason 3: McDyess
Playing too many minutes. I like his 11 rebounds but he's flat on his J's and he cant dunk any more. He hasnt blocked a shot in months! We cant go into the playoffs with him on defense and we dont NEED his offense. I would love a pickup for a meathook like Chris wilcox, Jeron Collins, Udonis Haslem...Ben wallace?

Id like to see tomorrow's game as a scrimmage or a preseason game.Play the starters in the 1st and just let the chips fall after that.

i don't think so

Elliott (Marietta, Ga.): As a longtime fan dating the Dave Bing era, it concerns me that Amir Johnson doesn’t get much playing time. He could have helped against Big Baby with his knack for shot-blocking. This is the time to build up his confidence. Langlois: Flip Saunders is picking his spots for Amir, Elliott. The potential you keep hearing about with him is real, but he’s not as NBA ready right now as the players ahead of him in the frontcourt rotation. Amir will make spectacular plays but also struggles with some aspects of the game, particularly in his man-to-man defense where he can sometimes be overpowered. Keep in mind that he’s two years younger than Arron Afflalo.


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Reason 1 why we wont win Title:
BY FARRRRRRR!!! the worst win of the season and Flip's worse coaching job by miles. Here was a Bobcat team with NO point guards and we pressed and trapped them as many times as I've had sex with Janet Jackson!! NONE!!!:gun1:Is he nuts! U gonna let MATT CARROLL walk the ball up. This was a sign that if it wasnt for Cowens and Porter, there'd be no control of this team. Unless we WIN the Championship, this will be Flip's last year. ....Duh-uh!

reason 2: Sheed
If yall think that the Piston players 'really' have faith that sheed will be there when the going gets tough, yall dont watch the body language. he air balled a freekin layup tonite. He had 6 rebounds and played his usual "let my exteammate get his tonite" defense on Nazr. 19 pts and 13 rebounds!!???Give me a fff-in break!! Then he went "LeBron matador" again on GWallace. I just dont trust him. U gonna tell me Mohammed is better than Duncan?

reason 3: McDyess
Playing too many minutes. I like his 11 rebounds but he's flat on his J's and he cant dunk any more. He hasnt blocked a shot in months! We cant go into the playoffs with him on defense and we dont NEED his offense. I would love a pickup for a meathook like Chris wilcox, Jeron Collins, Udonis Haslem...Ben wallace?

Id like to see tomorrow's game as a scrimmage or a preseason game.Play the starters in the 1st and just let the chips fall after that.

agree with you my CT-EMU homie on all points. How ateam with no point guards could push it real good up the floor and we cannot stop them is beyond me.

Dice is playing to many minutes and should be either relegated back to the bench or pulled after 6 minutes of the first. He should be held to 22 mins a game. Somebody on the Pistons coaching staff has to recognize.. What we need is a cheap Nazr who can play defense and rebound from a team going no where. Too bad Zach Ran is a space cadet as he could give us 20-10 everynight. (he is in zekes doghouse)

You heard what Barkley and the Jet said the other night. if Sheed wanted to, he could average 20-15 everynight....

agree with you my CT-EMU homie on all points. How ateam with no point guards could push it real good up the floor and we cannot stop them is beyond me.

Dice is playing to many minutes and should be either relegated back to the bench or pulled after 6 minutes of the first. He should be held to 22 mins a game. Somebody on the Pistons coaching staff has to recognize.. What we need is a cheap Nazr who can play defense and rebound from a team going no where. Too bad Zach Ran is a space cadet as he could give us 20-10 everynight. (he is in zekes doghouse)

You heard what Barkley and the Jet said the other night. if Sheed wanted to, he could average 20-15 everynight....
Um, how about auditioning Amir for that role??? Wouldn't that be something.
And, oh by the way, I agree with all the points. Charlotte play-by-play guys said also that if Sheed had the same commitment as Garnett, he could've been better than him.

Um, how about auditioning Amir for that role??? Wouldn't that be something.
And, oh by the way, I agree with all the points. Charlotte play-by-play guys said also that if Sheed had the same commitment as Garnett, he could've been better than him.


Amir has auditioned but still has the understudy role:sssh:

What did we see tonight? We won the game, largely due to Billups having a great shooting night. A great shooting night from the outside. Just luck really. If we had lost, Flip Saunders would have looked no further than to say we should have shot better.


But what really happened? We got a lead, on hot shooting by Billups, Rip, and Tay. Tay also used his height advantage to get points inside. Speaking of Tay, he took a pretty hard shot in the snout, but apparently it just caused some major pain but nothing serious.


Then we lost the lead. Our biggest weakness, lack of a 4th big in the rotation, did us in - almost anyway. We deal with foul trouble on our bigs by telling them to back off, just let them waltz inside all nite as they wish. And Charlotte took our invitation most welcomely. They charged inside a lot. Eventually, the foul problem got even worse. Both Dyess and Sheed were sitting with foul trouble at the same time.


But back up to the end of the 2nd quarter. It was even worse. We tried to go with Dyess and Herrmann as our bigs, which represents absolutely zero interior D. That was when we lost most of our lead, and basically let Charlotte, a team playing with no point guard, make the rest of the game a hotly contested affair. In contrast, having Brezec in the game late 3rd quarter when we had neither Dyess nor Sheed was much better. Of course, all Brezec can do for the most part is foul out if kept in more than a few minutes, so that is not a great solution. Brezec did get to the hoop for a 3 point play on a cut to the basket. (And Herrmann did make an outside shot upon entering the game.)


Mohammed had a fine game against us. Thankfully though, all his shots were fades, or outside shots. Can you imagine how bad it would be if the guy could actually go to the basket on a post move? We were in enough foul trouble as it was. But anyway, Mohammed had a very good game indeed hitting those outside shots. We were not leaving him open either; he was just shooting over people. And he hit some of his fades too.
This is the first game in a back to back set. Our stars all played major mintues. Afflalo got 4 minutes. Amir did not play, nor is there any hint that he is even part of the team. Considering he seems to be our best shotblocker and rebounder for the minutes played, and considering we are hurting very badly at our bigs positions, just maybe he should be playing.


Stuckey did get some burn. There has to be some concern about that hand. I hope it is nothing serious, or lingering. Does he need to sit longer to make sure it heals all the way? Just wondering out loud. Worrying. Its swollen a bit apparently from the fall he took two games ago.


A poll was taken on the broadcast, and the overwhelming result was that people think Hunter should play only as needed. (Whatever that means.) Kind of interesting that they would ask fans for input like that.


Someone asked if they should watch this one. I say of course. This game had some exciting moments. Like CB hitting that triple to get us out of that hole we were in with just a couple minutes to go in the game in regulation. And Rip's short jumper in OT. (After he missed several 3's) The Pistons are seeking a championship. Every game is a chapter in that quest. I would never miss one.

Somebody on the Pistons coaching staff has to recognize.. What we need is a cheap Nazr who can play defense and rebound from a team going no where. Too bad Zach Ran is a space cadet as he could give us 20-10 everynight. (he is in zekes doghouse)

You did say cheap, right? Zach doesn't quite qualify...what with that max contract and all. :sssh:

Any game where Tayshaun is balling is fun to watch in my book. Those hooks are sooo pretty...

thanks for the correction mikhail.

it appears flip has a comedic side.

Coach Flip Saunders, who said he never remembered one of his teams taking so many 3s, was especially upset at Hamilton's 2 of 9 shooting from 3.

"I thought he was at the state fair or something trying to win a stuffed animal," Saunders said.

Herrmann finally gets chance (??) playing 4 TOGETHER with Prince...:nerd2:
Why nobody tells Stuckey, how awfull he looks drivin into blockshots all the time??
...and 3,017 min for Afflalo??
Jarvis a scorer for playoffs??
Saunders wants to ruin bench mentally, so he can play starters allnight long without having to apology. :fishing:

Coach Flip Saunders, who said he never remembered one of his teams taking so many 3s, was especially upset at Hamilton's 2 of 9 shooting from 3.

"I thought he was at the state fair or something trying to win a stuffed animal," Saunders said.

This is why Dolphin irritates the hell out of me. Instead of waiting until after the game to make a lame wise crack. DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE WAY YOUR TEAM PLAYS!!! DESIGN PLAYS THAT DON'T ALLOW FOR 3'S. CALL DIFFERENT PLAYS. CALL TIME OUTS AND RIP YOUR PLAYERS! STAND OVER THERE ON THE SIDELINE REPEATEDLY SCREAMING INSTRUCTIONS UNTIL THEY GET TIRED OF HEARING IT AND JUST DO IT.

BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP WAITING UNTIL AFTER THE GAME TO COMMENT ON IT!!!

This is why Dolphin irritates the hell out of me. Instead of waiting until after the game to make a lame wise crack. DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE WAY YOUR TEAM PLAYS!!! DESIGN PLAYS THAT DON'T ALLOW FOR 3'S. CALL DIFFERENT PLAYS. CALL TIME OUTS AND RIP YOUR PLAYERS! STAND OVER THERE ON THE SIDELINE REPEATEDLY SCREAMING INSTRUCTIONS UNTIL THEY GET TIRED OF HEARING IT AND JUST DO IT.

BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP WAITING UNTIL AFTER THE GAME TO COMMENT ON IT!!!

Great line, Low. I'm with you on this one.

Anyone who still thinks Flip will eventually wake up and start having some REAL trust in his bench is in denial. It's obvious he's never gonna learn. Sometimes I feel like he plays the young guys for the sake of playing them, nothing more. He's been praised way too much for "trusting his bench". We all know that only lasts until the all-star break - if that.
Our need for a fourth big man is glaring at this point. Flip can't just trot out the same 3 bigs every night and expect them to play well/not get in foul trouble every night. That's poor roster management. Brezec won't help much. Herrmann's been decent, but he's not good enough as a post defender, and he's a natural 3. Amir hasn't a chance in the world of cracking the rotation. Flip's just gonna label him "not ready" and leave it at that. He's incredibly stubborn and set in his ways. Amir has shown he can at least help in 5 or 10 minute stretches, but noooo. Let guards waltz in the lane to avoid fouls instead. Play slow, foul every possession Brezec instead. Or small ball. :yellowprison: Bad play for the starters = leave them in to find their rhythm. Anything less than perfect play from bench guys = DNP the next few games.

Also, I understand Stuckey being hurt - sit him a few games instead of letting him play and get burned out there. He's gonna lose confidence that way. And what has Afflalo done to deserve getting only 5 minutes despite Rip looking like a man dying of dehydration in the desert? He hasn't sniffed more than 4-5 minutes in the first half since December; not even when Stuckey/Rip weren't playing well. The guy has earned his PT; he's more poised than most rookies, and he actually plays D. I don't see how Flip can use Stuckey as an excuse for that, particularly now that he's hurt. Flippy just has no idea how to help young players build confidence. All of the young players save for Max constantly look over their shoulder at the coach to see if they're getting yanked. That's not the way you develop players.

Anyone who still thinks Flip will eventually wake up and start having some REAL trust in his bench is in denial. It's obvious he's never gonna learn. Sometimes I feel like he plays the young guys for the sake of playing them, nothing more. He's been praised way too much for "trusting his bench". We all know that only lasts until the all-star break - if that.
Our need for a fourth big man is glaring at this point. Flip can't just trot out the same 3 bigs every night and expect them to play well/not get in foul trouble every night. That's poor roster management. Brezec won't help much. Herrmann's been decent, but he's not good enough as a post defender, and he's a natural 3. Amir hasn't a chance in the world of cracking the rotation. Flip's just gonna label him "not ready" and leave it at that. He's incredibly stubborn and set in his ways. Amir has shown he can at least help in 5 or 10 minute stretches, but noooo. Let guards waltz in the lane to avoid fouls instead. Play slow, foul every possession Brezec instead. Or small ball. :yellowprison: Bad play for the starters = leave them in to find their rhythm. Anything less than perfect play from bench guys = DNP the next few games.

Also, I understand Stuckey being hurt - sit him a few games instead of letting him play and get burned out there. He's gonna lose confidence that way. And what has Afflalo done to deserve getting only 5 minutes despite Rip looking like a man dying of dehydration in the desert? He hasn't sniffed more than 4-5 minutes in the first half since December; not even when Stuckey/Rip weren't playing well. The guy has earned his PT; he's more poised than most rookies, and he actually plays D. I don't see how Flip can use Stuckey as an excuse for that, particularly now that he's hurt. Flippy just has no idea how to help young players build confidence. All of the young players save for Max constantly look over their shoulder at the coach to see if they're getting yanked. That's not the way you develop players.

And we have a winner!!!
I am designating this as a post of the day!!!
:winner_first_h4h:

This is why Dolphin irritates the hell out of me. Instead of waiting until after the game to make a lame wise crack. DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE WAY YOUR TEAM PLAYS!!! DESIGN PLAYS THAT DON'T ALLOW FOR 3'S. CALL DIFFERENT PLAYS. CALL TIME OUTS AND RIP YOUR PLAYERS! STAND OVER THERE ON THE SIDELINE REPEATEDLY SCREAMING INSTRUCTIONS UNTIL THEY GET TIRED OF HEARING IT AND JUST DO IT.

BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP WAITING UNTIL AFTER THE GAME TO COMMENT ON IT!!!

:winner_first_h4h::cheerlie-GOAL:
P.S. Flippy's jokes aren't remotely funny anyway.

This is why Dolphin irritates the hell out of me. Instead of waiting until after the game to make a lame wise crack. DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE WAY YOUR TEAM PLAYS!!! DESIGN PLAYS THAT DON'T ALLOW FOR 3'S. CALL DIFFERENT PLAYS. CALL TIME OUTS AND RIP YOUR PLAYERS! STAND OVER THERE ON THE SIDELINE REPEATEDLY SCREAMING INSTRUCTIONS UNTIL THEY GET TIRED OF HEARING IT AND JUST DO IT.

BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP WAITING UNTIL AFTER THE GAME TO COMMENT ON IT!!!

I 2nd (or 3rd) this. What good does it do to say these things when the game is over??

thanks for the correction mikhail.
Coach Flip Saunders, who said he never remembered one of his teams taking so many 3s, was especially upset at Hamilton's 2 of 9 shooting from 3.

"I thought he was at the state fair or something trying to win a stuffed animal," Saunders said.
it appears flip has a comedic side.
He should have yanked him right in the middle between those four threes in the waning minutes..problem is if he sat him, Jayes would have tried the same thing. Can't believe couldn't could call a time out to run one or two plays that consisted of two Pistons going to the hoop. Maybe we should traded Flip Sr to Charlotte with Piston killer Narz and took coach Sam Vincent in return.

I tried my best to see my beloved team through rose colored glasses. We wont make it to the finals. Another dissappointing loss in the ECF's is inevitable. This has been a sad week in Piston basketball, sad. I tried so hard to believe that Flip would eventually figure it all out, that he would become a better coach.....not gonna happen, good thing about all of this is that this will be his last season here. However next season the team will lose and blame it on "adjusting to a new system".

We are getting hurt at the center position. It is noticiable lately. Dyss is not the answer for what they are asking him to do. He can play defense against some players but is abused at other times. His jumper can open the floor in some situations. But he adds very little to the starting five at the beginning of a game.

Defensively, he is not the guy to go to at the end of the game.

Brezec just doesn't look good.

We need another big in the rotation....

We still won. Not like we lost. Getting to the point where everyone expects a blowout.

You do have to learn from every game. From this game we need more and better front court depth. I would inactivate both Herman/Brezlic and bring in Samb/Amir. Compare this game to the GoldState game where both Samb/Amir played. They did not score a lot in the one game but provided some nice hustle inside with plenty of rebounds and blocks. Thats what we need not another 3-pt shooting power forward.

Flip was ripping on Wally. What does that tell you? Still going to keep him as the 4th option? He was just playing his game the only way he knows how to.

Concerning how Stucky is hurt.

. . . DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE WAY YOUR TEAM PLAYS!!! DESIGN PLAYS THAT DON'T ALLOW FOR 3'S. CALL DIFFERENT PLAYS. CALL TIME OUTS AND RIP YOUR PLAYERS! STAND OVER THERE ON THE SIDELINE REPEATEDLY SCREAMING INSTRUCTIONS UNTIL THEY GET TIRED OF HEARING IT AND JUST DO IT.

BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP WAITING UNTIL AFTER THE GAME TO COMMENT ON IT!!!

So true, so true.

I concur. I have it taped on my DVR, but will definitely delete it. The Pistons should burn it too, but Flip needs to show them how we got beat up in the paint and question those 29 three point attempts...Obviously we still do not know how to break down a zone...or even attempt a layup...while both Boston and Charlotte performed layup drills on us.


I saw the first quarter of the game, but not the rest. The pistons took 29 3's, I would have thought sheed took at least 10, but he only took 3.
Rip took 9!!! Yikes

. . . Maybe we should traded Flip Sr to Charlotte with Piston killer Narz and took coach Sam Vincent in return.
I seconded, any trade that would get rid of Flip Sr.

Nice to see that Tay and Billups played well. Rest of the team shot 18 of 64.....Actually, I enjoyed reading Flip compare the shooting fiasco to trying to win at the State Fair. If anybody has ever looked at those rims, they've been altered. They have the same width, but they take off 5 inches from their depth. You can't notice this unless you watch somebody shooting from the side of the rim. Flip knows this and was simply comparing the shot selection to the odds of making the shot at the State Fair..........A very astute observation.

Clearly the Bobcats lack of a point guard made their offense so unpredictable that the Pistons struggled to keep up. The Pistons were so locked in on stopping the regular mightly Charlotte offense that when it was being run in a blatantly amateurish way they couldn't keep up. An obviously superior effort by a thinking basketball team managed to come up with a win.

Charlotte's lack of substitutions due to their eight man rotation confused the Pistons too - they kept running over to the bench to try and guard someone.

im done wih the bobcats :gun1:

The Pistons just won two games in a row after in difficult four-game stretch, including a convincing win over the Spurs in Texas, so I popped over curious to see what the intelligent folks here would have to say.

I was confused for an instant, believing I had linked to the Celtics Blog by mistake. Actually, Celtics fans would show the Pistons more respect.

This "fan" forum has finally jumped the shark.

The level of discourse has sunk very low.

If chronic pessimism is a disease, I suggest an intervention.

After lurking here for some time, I will not attempt to argue with the coach Flip haters here. Crazy people can't be reasoned with. I value my own mental and emotional health too much.

By the way, the coach's name is "Flip" not "Flipper". Show some decency and respect. The Saunders jokes aren't funny. Never were. He is a nice man and a very good coach.

Despite the valiant attempts of your more sanguine and balanced commentators (the ever-likable Buddah, the cerebral TaShawn, sunny Warthog, gentle chief Roscoe) eventually everyone here becomes infected by the cynicism, the mindless and juvenile carping.

When something or someone called "The Low" posts a childish rant with queer boldface, underlinings and ransom-note colourings, it gets general applause. How sad.

A sane person should prefer blind homerism to this nattering negativism, this cackling of crows.

I sincerely wish everyone connected with Pistons.com continued success and happiness in their endeavors.

But I'm off to Need4Sheed and Detroit Bad Boys, where they don't work so hard to steal my joy.

Cheers.

pretty interesting, you get points for using the words 'sanguine' and 'nattering' in the same post. also interesting that sanguine can mean both bloodthirsday and optimistic. i'm totally going to use that in a sentence today.

If chronic pessimism is a disease, I suggest an intervention.
One would hope such a disease would be self correcting, but it is not.

I'm loathe to the idea of enforced sunshine, but have to agree with you, much of my joy can be stolen on occasion as well. :)

What are the addresses for those other sites? ;)

I tried my best to see my beloved team through rose colored glasses. We wont make it to the finals. Another dissappointing loss in the ECF's is inevitable. This has been a sad week in Piston basketball, sad. I tried so hard to believe that Flip would eventually figure it all out, that he would become a better coach.....not gonna happen, good thing about all of this is that this will be his last season here. However next season the team will lose and blame it on "adjusting to a new system".

Yeah, man, you were pretty optimistic there for a while. Welcome back to Earth.

I look at it this way. The team is 28-9, and I didn't expect that so I'm happy, but as many have realized, the regular season is simply a long tune-up for the postseason. Flip has 45 games to get it together. This team has the talent and depth to win it all. No question about it. Starters are too comfortable. They have enough talent to rack up 50-55 wins, but they ain't hungry and it won't magically happen without an external force pushing on them. Can they magically just "up" their hunger level when the playoffs start? Maybe. But Flip's vomit offense won't cut it. Jacking up 3's leads to a sense of complacency. Joe D needs to get in Flip's azz. Joe D ought to pay LB to sit behind the bench for the next 20 games to scare the crap outta Flip.

Hi Warthog,

Yes, the context clearly supports "optimistic".

Thanks for the comment.

I will miss reading your posts. You are a very intelligent and witty guy. As are many others here. I have learned a great deal about basketball during my time on Pistons.com.

Doesn't change my point. An attitude adjustment is desperately needed on the forum. I still have hope. You are all daily in my prayers.

Cheers.

Joe D ought to pay LB to sit behind the bench for the next 20 games to scare the crap outta Flip.

That would be funny. Sharpening pencils, going over his resume.

Better causes to pray about rather than what going on in a Pistons fan forum for crying out loud.

Some people will never be happy no matter what but I think most overall are. We are just not the ones creating threads about being done with the Pistons.

This last game was not played particularly well so some complaints are understandable. I was shocked at the reaction after the SanAntonio game though. That was a great win.

The Pistons just won two games in a row after in difficult four-game stretch, including a convincing win over the Spurs in Texas, so I popped over curious to see what the intelligent folks here would have to say.

I was confused for an instant, believing I had linked to the Celtics Blog by mistake. Actually, Celtics fans would show the Pistons more respect.

This "fan" forum has finally jumped the shark.

The level of discourse has sunk very low.

If chronic pessimism is a disease, I suggest an intervention.

After lurking here for some time, I will not attempt to argue with the coach Flip haters here. Crazy people can't be reasoned with. I value my own mental and emotional health too much.

By the way, the coach's name is "Flip" not "Flipper". Show some decency and respect. The Saunders jokes aren't funny. Never were. He is a nice man and a very good coach.

Despite the valiant attempts of your more sanguine and balanced commentators (the ever-likable Buddah, the cerebral TaShawn, sunny Warthog, gentle chief Roscoe) eventually everyone here becomes infected by the cynicism, the mindless and juvenile carping.

When something or someone called "The Low" posts a childish rant with queer boldface, underlinings and ransom-note colourings, it gets general applause. How sad.

A sane person should prefer blind homerism to this nattering negativism, this cackling of crows.

I sincerely wish everyone connected with Pistons.com continued success and happiness in their endeavors.

But I'm off to Need4Sheed and Detroit Bad Boys, where they don't work so hard to steal my joy.

Cheers.

Say bro...before you come in here thinking you're going to insult someone in an unsolicited fashion. Let's get something straight. Coming in here with your pistons colored glasses on and complaining about people who have established themselves as A) longtime posters of this forum and B) long time pistons fans will get you nowhere fast.

Personally I couldn't give a crap less what you think about this forum as it was not created with the intention of getting YOUR approval before anything here can be accepted as valid or "sane" as you like to put it. Furthermore, the very reason I have the views I have is due to posters like you who lurk and think because you have slappy written on your forhead, that's supposed to stand for something. This forum has been a beacon for people who wish to voice their opinion without having some random a-hole pop in and think their going to flame people for not having the same "sane" viewpoint. Get over yourself. YOU are not as "smart" as you think you are and even if you were, 99.9% of the veterans on this forum wouldn't give a damn anyway.

The rest of us would like to have a team that is an ACTUAL contender for a title and if you think just sitting in here rocking back and forth rainman style and whispering "best team in the East" to yourself is going to make that happen, then by all means...hook it up.

If you don't like the look of my posts, jog on, bro. No one asked you for your thoughts and none of us will lose any sleep not having read them. It's fans like you that keep singing the praises of those that fail that keep the Lions in business. I'd like to share a few more gems with you, but A) you're apparently not here anymore B) 'Scoe would probably ban me and C) that's what PMs are for. So, free to take shots homie, but keep in mind, 'We don't care nothin' 'bout you.' (© Erick Sermon)

OH...and by the way....it's "Dolphin" not "Flipper."

This is the worst that this forum has to offer. We win a game, and it degenerates into a flame war BETWEEN FANS.

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