View Full Version : LeBron ticketed for driving 101 mph on highway
mikhail1973
01-14-2008, 11:27 AM
Cleveland attorney Colin Jennings filed a not guilty plea for James on Tuesday in Medina Municipal Court. A hearing is scheduled for Feb. 11, the same day the Cavaliers are scheduled to play in Orlando against the Magic.
FOX Sports on MSN - - LeBron ticketed for driving 101 mph on highway (http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7673776?MSNHPHMA)
Of course he's not guilty, the cops had dreamed it.
ggazoo69
01-14-2008, 11:31 AM
King James knows how to travel.
What a jerk. Pay the fine and get on with life.
roscoe36
01-14-2008, 11:40 AM
He might have had to plead not guilty because there could be repercussions with his sponsors, insurance agent and/or the league to a guilty plea.
In Canada, a not guilty plea allows for negotiation with the Crown, for a lesser fine or penalty.
TaShawn
01-14-2008, 11:45 AM
Is driving 100 mph bad?
BillLaimbeer
01-14-2008, 12:07 PM
In Canada, a not guilty plea allows for negotiation with the Crown, for a lesser fine or penalty.
The same is true in the U.S. You always plead not guilty. The penalty then gets reduced in order to avoid a trial. That's what I heard, at least...
101 Tay, 101.
Well, he's still a jerk.
Dumars4Ever
01-14-2008, 12:21 PM
Maybe LeBron thought he was in Canada, and that negotiating with "the Crown" would mean negotiating with The King, i.e. himself.
TaShawn
01-14-2008, 12:40 PM
He's going to have to go with the excuse that he thought he was going 101 Km/h. He could further argue that he was in an altered state and didn't notice how quickly the scenery was passing him by.
BillLaimbeer
01-14-2008, 12:55 PM
He's going to have to go with the excuse that he thought he was going 101 Km/h. He could further argue that he was in an altered state and didn't notice how quickly the scenery was passing him by.
There's always the argument that he confused the scenery with the Pistons defense and that is why he flew so quickly through it.
mikhail1973
01-14-2008, 12:56 PM
He might have had to plead not guilty because there could be repercussions with his sponsors, insurance agent and/or the league to a guilty plea.
In Canada, a not guilty plea allows for negotiation with the Crown, for a lesser fine or penalty.
There's not really a plea in the US. Sure, you can argue in court. What how do you justify going 36 mph over the speed limit? I got ticketed for going 91 in 65 and when I went to the court they were like - " are you kidding me? just go pay your fine, you were driving too fast". LeBron should just pay the fine, get the points, move on with his life. Well, in some states you can actually take driving school once so often and get your points waived so that your insurance rates don't increase. But I guess if you have $$$ you can play the game on the different terms.
LA Dre
01-14-2008, 03:13 PM
Well they lost earlier that evening to the Hornets in New Orleans and probably got off the plane late in Cleveland and decided to air it out his emotions before preparing for his birthday party later that day.
Even so driving 100 miles an hour is dangerous to innocent passerbys, other vehicles and of course to the franchise. Can you imagine the one of the top five regognizable faces in basketball losing his life because he wanted to test his car's speed.
buddahfan
01-14-2008, 03:13 PM
FOX Sports on MSN - - LeBron ticketed for driving 101 mph on highway (http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7673776?MSNHPHMA)
Of course he's not guilty, the cops had dreamed it.
If you have a top level attorney it is pretty easy to beat most speeding tickets, which would mean he was not guilty.
:hoops:
TaShawn
01-14-2008, 03:22 PM
Can you imagine the one of the top five regognizable faces in basketball losing his life because he wanted to test his car's speed.
That's not testing his car's speed. We'd be talking 150+ in that case.
Delfino Delivers
01-14-2008, 03:41 PM
That's not testing his car's speed. We'd be talking 150+ in that case.
I didn't know Hummers could go that fast?
Or was he driving momma's Benz?
mikhail1973
01-14-2008, 04:48 PM
If you have a top level attorney it is pretty easy to beat most speeding tickets, which would mean he was not guilty.
:hoops:
Just out of curiosity, how do you beat the speeding ticket? You were going too fast, that's the bottom line, what's there to beat?
TaShawn
01-14-2008, 04:59 PM
Just out of curiosity, how do you beat the speeding ticket? You were going too fast, that's the bottom line, what's there to beat?
You've obviously never been caught going 100 mph mikhail.
There are some defenses available:
You could argue that you were not the car that they saw/ radared going 100. Maybe there were some trees in the way and Varajeao flew by you in a similar vehicle.
Also, you could get really technical and fight the calibration of the device used to radar you. That got me off one time because they didn't adhere to the 90 day calibration, or whatever it was.
The safety excuse. You were being chased by a deer. Or in his case, he could say that some suspicious dudes were following after he left the club and he was just trying to safely get away to avoid a Tinsley situation.
The last resort is to pull the bees excuse as seen in Tommy Boy.
mikhail1973
01-14-2008, 05:05 PM
You've obviously never been caught going 100 mph mikhail.
There are some defenses available:
You could argue that you were not the car that they saw/ radared going 100. Maybe there were some trees in the way and Varajeao flew by you in a similar vehicle.
Also, you could get really technical and fight the calibration of the device used to radar you. That got me off one time because they didn't adhere to the 90 day calibration, or whatever it was.
The safety excuse. You were being chased by a deer. Or in his case, he could say that some suspicious dudes were following after he left the club and he was just trying to safely get away to avoid a Tinsley situation.
The last resort is to pull the bees excuse as seen in Tommy Boy.
As I said in one of my previous posts, I was flagged going 91 in 65. I had the court date set and all, and hoped to get rid of points since my driving record was clean. They spent a couple of minutes with me, told me that I was going way too fast, and that there's nothing I can do to fight it. That's my experience.
TaShawn
01-14-2008, 05:18 PM
Also, the "Do you know who I am?" can sometimes work.
In Montana, I suggested to the officer that instead of going through the Court system, I could just give him the money and he could follow up with the paper work and submit the cash for me.
He took the money, but didn't live up to his end of the bargain. It's probably still being processed.
mikhail1973
01-14-2008, 05:36 PM
Also, the "Do you know who I am?" can sometimes work.
In Montana, I suggested to the officer that instead of going through the Court system, I could just give him the money and he could follow up with the paper work and submit the cash for me.
He took the money, but didn't live up to his end of the bargain. It's probably still being processed.
Well, this is regular Russian way of paying "fines" on the spot. You get no court record, no points, like nothing happened.
TaShawn
01-14-2008, 05:39 PM
Well, this is regular Russian way of paying "fines" on the spot. You get no court record, no points, like nothing happened.
Sign me up. It sounds like a wonderful place.
mikhail1973
01-14-2008, 05:45 PM
Sign me up. It sounds like a wonderful place.
Yeah, except you may get to pay for anything, especially if the highway patrol needs $$$ for something - like having a dirty car, or not having a 1st aid kit in the car. They have checkpoints throughout where they randomly pull people over and check their documents. Wonderful place, indeed. :yellowprison:
TaShawn
01-14-2008, 05:52 PM
By the way, as long as we're on the topic of police...
I noticed that I was about 10 times more likely to get pulled over in my little home town in Michigan than I am here in Chicago. The nice thing here is that they don't really look at speeding tickets as a significant source of revenue. And or course, they actually have police work to do here.
The best part about my home town was that there were 4 cop cars at the station and they always parked them in an outdoor lot. So, if you saw all 4 there, you could drive on the sidewalks if you wanted.
mikhail1973
01-14-2008, 05:58 PM
By the way, as long as we're on the topic of police...
I noticed that I was about 10 times more likely to get pulled over in my little home town in Michigan than I am here in Chicago. The nice thing here is that they don't really look at speeding tickets as a significant source of revenue. And or course, they actually have police work to do here.
The best part about my home town was that there were 4 cop cars at the station and they always parked them in an outdoor lot. So, if you saw all 4 there, you could drive on the sidewalks if you wanted.
They do that in Russia (driving on the sidewalks). It did look strange when I saw it the first time.
mikhail1973
01-14-2008, 06:26 PM
"I was doing 101," James said Monday after practice. "That's it. I was speeding. I've just got to abide by the law. I got caught. It happens."
ESPN - LeBron admits to driving 101 mph, provides no guarantee it won't happen again - NBA (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3196522)
Warthog
01-14-2008, 06:42 PM
you always plead not guilty. if you show up to court and the cop doesn't, you get off.
101 isn't that fast on the highway. if it was in a residential area, or subdivision, or downtown, or something like that...sure.
BillLaimbeer
01-14-2008, 07:38 PM
LeBron is supposed to be a role model. Driving over 100 mph is wreckless and he should be embarrased by his actions.
He shoulda just spoke some German and sprinkled the word "autobahn" in a few times........
buddahfan
01-14-2008, 08:28 PM
Just out of curiosity, how do you beat the speeding ticket? You were going too fast, that's the bottom line, what's there to beat?
If the police do not have radar it is pretty easy.
It they have radar it gets more complicated.
Without radar all you have to do is prove that there is reasonable doubt that the police could be wrong.
I beat one ticket, it wasn't speeding but a red light, by asking the officer where he was when I supposedly went through the light. His location was such that it was unclear whether I went through a yellow or a red. I won the case.
I have never had to beat a speeding ticket. But if they don't have radar the question always becomes how do they determine your speed.
Clearly if you are going 101 in a 65 zone it is pretty difficult to say that you weren't speeding but there are still technicalities. Like they have to have clocked you for a minimal time to identify whether you were speeding or not. Say that is 10 seconds. They have to prove that they clocked you for 10 seconds. They can't just say. We clocked him for 10 seconds especially if their vehicle is moving on a street that is perpendicular to the one you were on. If they cannot prove that you were also guilty of reckless driving it is helpful to you.
Bottom line is. Is that it is their responsibility to prove that you were speeding according to the law and that includes being able to prove that you were moving at a speed greater than the legal speed limit for a minimal period of time.
If they clock you with their speedometer and they haven't had their speedometer on that vehicle calibrated within the required time period for periodic calibrations, most likely they will lose the case and you will win if they claim that you exceeded the speed limit by only a few mph because under those circumstances there is reasonable doubt that you were speeding, so you are innocent.
If you ever get nailed with a ticket. Research what they have to do to prove that you violated the law and then attempt to show to the court that they didn't or couldn't have proven that you were violating the law based upon the circumstances at the time that the police claim that you violated the law.
The above is not legal advice and is not to be construed as such.
:hoops:
roscoe36
01-14-2008, 08:32 PM
LeBron is supposed to be a role model. Driving over 100 mph is wreckless and he should be embarrased by his actions.
If it is wreckless, then where is the crime? :stirthepot:
buddahfan
01-14-2008, 08:40 PM
If it is wreckless, then where is the crime? :stirthepot:
Wreckless driving is a violation of the DMV code, at least in CA.
Two Point Count California Vehicle Code Violations
Section Violation 2800.2, 2800.3 Evading peace officer/reckless driving
Vehicle Code Violations used in Negligent Operator Counts (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/vioptct.htm)
:hoops:
BillLaimbeer
01-14-2008, 08:41 PM
If it is wreckless, then where is the crime? :stirthepot:
LOL. I guess it's okay if there weren't any recks. :shootingsoldier::chopper:
Dlev59
01-14-2008, 09:27 PM
Is driving 100 mph bad?
Depends on what you are driving.................:MusicBigGrin:
Guy should have his chauffer doin the 100mph while he's sipping cool ones in the back seat........He should be livin the High Life.........:beer:
ggazoo69
01-14-2008, 10:28 PM
Is driving 100 mph bad?
In California, you have to drive at least 85 to keep up with the rest of traffic. :pound:
Mad Hatter
01-14-2008, 10:44 PM
Hell...LaBron did that to us last post season! What else is new?
detteam
01-14-2008, 11:24 PM
If it is wreckless, then where is the crime? :stirthepot:It's ironically similar to the NTSB's term "near miss" in referring to aviation close calls :nerd2:
buddahfan
01-15-2008, 11:33 AM
In California, you have to drive at least 85 to keep up with the rest of traffic. :pound:
At least in So. CA that was 30 years ago.
Today you are lucky to be able to average 8.5 mph on the freeways, unless you drive on them between 11:00 PM and 4:00AM and Thanksgiving, Super Bowl Sunday and a few other days here and there.
:hoops:
Warthog
01-15-2008, 12:55 PM
shouldn't wreckless driving be a good thing? like, wreck-less?
they should call it wreck-full driving instead.
:O
Delfino Delivers
01-15-2008, 04:21 PM
Also, the "Do you know who I am?" can sometimes work.
In Montana, I suggested to the officer that instead of going through the Court system, I could just give him the money and he could follow up with the paper work and submit the cash for me.
He took the money, but didn't live up to his end of the bargain. It's probably still being processed.
LMAO :pound::pound::hoops:
Delfino Delivers
01-15-2008, 04:23 PM
By the way, as long as we're on the topic of police...
I noticed that I was about 10 times more likely to get pulled over in my little home town in Michigan than I am here in Chicago. The nice thing here is that they don't really look at speeding tickets as a significant source of revenue. And or course, they actually have police work to do here.
The best part about my home town was that there were 4 cop cars at the station and they always parked them in an outdoor lot. So, if you saw all 4 there, you could drive on the sidewalks if you wanted.
Is your hometown Capac? I thought they only had 2 cars?
TaShawn
01-15-2008, 05:41 PM
Is your hometown Capac? I thought they only had 2 cars?
No, I actually lived 109 miles from there. And you had to drive through Lee's hood on the way.
NYPistonFan729
01-16-2008, 12:43 AM
Young men and women do not stop driving too fast until something terrible happens. Lebron shrugged it off, but life is a hard lesson sometimes. Speeding puts everyone in danger especially people who are not good drivers.
TaShawn
01-16-2008, 01:34 PM
Have you ever stopped to consider what is the optimal speed limit?
Obviously, getting in a car and driving in public can be life threatening. However, society seems to be comfortable trading a certain amount of risk for a certain amount of convenience.
So how did they arrive at the current speed limits? Are they really the best balance between safety and productivity? Think how safe everyone would be if the max speed limit in America was 10 mph.
I guess I would argue that speed differential has a lot to do with safety. Nowhere is that more aparent than in Miami. They seem to have the biggest range (from old people driving 40mph to coke dealers in Ferrari's going 100mph). Meanwhile, in Michigan, everyone seems to be in the 65-80 range.
There is another thing to consider as well. If speed limits are set unrealistically low, then everyone gets in the habit of breaking the law and enforcement becomes a selective exercise. This creates a bad atmosphere for all involved. I would argue that the 55/65/70 limits on the US highways are unrealistically low in most cases. It would seem that about 80% of the drivers are breaking the law, at least by 5 mph, because they know that it will be tolerated.
All of the 55 stuff came in during the original oil embargo in an effort to increase fuel economy by slowing people down. And you certainly burn less gas and produce less pollution at 55 than at 70.
Top speeds in Europe are around 78 (130 kph) with 66 and 54 mph zones based on road type. 78 is only around on limited access divided highways.
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