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So just who is the biggest bust since 2001?
To me it comes down to three players -- Kwame Brown, the name that began this whole scenario in 2001 with the Wizards; Denver’s Nikoloz Tskitishvili in 2002; and Darko Milicic in 2003 with the Pistons. None of them are with their original team, with Tskitishvili not even in the league. So let’s break it down.



So it’s a wrap. You win Darko, hands down ... the biggest bust since the 2001 draft.

I watched Kwame Brown last night attempting to fill in for Bynum. Not good.

Part of it is that mentally Darko and Kwame don't seem to have it together. Both are flops.

Yeah, my vote is for Dorko.

Can we include NFL wide receivers?

Can we include NFL wide receivers?

How about NFL President/GM's that like picking wide receivers that are busts?:football:

How about NFL President/GM's that like picking wide receivers that are busts?:football:

Got one in mind???? :pound:

Jeremy Bonderman..........:stirthepot:

Jeremy Bonderman..........:stirthepot:

You were joking, right? Bonderman has had a winning record the last 3 seasons and has helped turned the Tigers into a contender once again.

I would have to say Sammy Meija. At the beginning of the season, it looked like Billups days were numbered. Just a few months later, and Tashawn had to work the numbers to find his contribution to the Mad Ants.

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You were joking, right? Bonderman has had a winning record the last 3 seasons and has helped turned the Tigers into a contender once again.


We didn't finish strong last season cause Bonderman continued to lose his games after the all star break. He generally is weak the 2nd half of the season when crunch time comes. If he'd have had a winning record the second half of the season, we would have been in the playoffs.

he should have been selfish and shut himself down with the injury he had.... was on pace for a great season till then.

We didn't finish strong last season cause Bonderman continued to lose his games after the all star break. He generally is weak the 2nd half of the season when crunch time comes. If he'd have had a winning record the second half of the season, we would have been in the playoffs.

Disappointing finish perhaps. Definitely not a bust.

Whats the criteria?

Top 10 - Rodney White. Out of the league for good apparently.

Darko is only 22 years old still so its a bit early to write him off. He is an early candidate though for recent top 3 pick busts.

Kwame Brown and Joe Smith were both top #1 picks. Definte busts for that.

Andrew Bogut is bust like for a top 3.

I have to say that Meija just didn't get a chance. I had both Samb and Meija penciled in to many potential rotations.


I would have to say Sammy Meija. At the beginning of the season, it looked like Billups days were numbered. Just a few months later, and Tashawn had to work the numbers to find his contribution to the Mad Ants.

http://www.pistonsforum.com/detroit-pistons-general-discussion/7645-sammy-mejia-waived-16.html#post129040

I have to say that Meija just didn't get a chance. I had both Samb and Meija penciled in to many potential rotations.

Carefull. Anyone can sign him now. Don't want that kind of talent falling into the wrong hands.

Carefull. Anyone can sign him now. Don't want that kind of talent falling into the wrong hands.

Like to Flip Saunders

8Since 1960, there have been only '7' real draft busts on the number 1 pick: NBA Draft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft)

1965- Fred Hetzel, Davidson(SF Warriors)
2, Bill Bradley
4, Rick Barry
6, Jerry Sloan
7, Billy Cunningham
10, Gail Goodrich
DETROIT, 3 - Bill BUNTIN ???

1967- Jimmie Walker, Providence(Detroit)
2, Earl Monroe
7, Walt Frazier

1972- Larue Martin, Loyola(Portland)
2, McAdoo
12, Dr. J
74, James Silas
DETROIT, 17 Chris Ford..9, Bob Nash

1977- Kent Benson, Indiana(Milwaukee)
2, Otis Birdsong
3, Marques Johnson(who they got anyway)
5, Walter Davis
7, Bernard King
8, Jack Sikma
DETROIT- 36, Ben Poquette

1989- Pervis Ellison, Louisville(Sacremento)
3, Sean Punk Elliot
4, Glen Rice
14, Tim Hardaway
17, Shawn Kemp
36, Cliff Robinson

2001- Kwame Brown, HS brat, Washington
3, Paul Gasol
5, Jason Richardson
10, Joe Johnson
13, Richard Jefferson
28, Tony Parker
31, Gilbert Arenas
DETROIT- Rodney White (25-Gerald Wallace)

1998- Mike Olawakandi, Pacific(LAC)
4, Antwon Jamison
5, Vince Carter
9, Dirk Nowitzki
10, Paul Pierce

DETROIT- 11,Bonzi Wells 40, Korleone Young

What about Sam Bowie (over Michael Jordan)?

I have to say that Meija just didn't get a chance. I had both Samb and Meija penciled in to many potential rotations.

Carefull. Anyone can sign him now. Don't want that kind of talent falling into the wrong hands.

Like to Flip Saunders
You guys have me crying from laughing too hard. Fantastic stuff.

8Since 1960, there have been only '7' real draft busts on the number 1 pick: NBA Draft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft)

1965- Fred Hetzel, Davidson(SF Warriors)
2, Bill Bradley
4, Rick Barry
6, Jerry Sloan
7, Billy Cunningham
10, Gail Goodrich
DETROIT, 3 - Bill BUNTIN ???

1967- Jimmie Walker, Providence(Detroit)
2, Earl Monroe
7, Walt Frazier

1972- Larue Martin, Loyola(Portland)
2, McAdoo
12, Dr. J
74, James Silas
DETROIT, 17 Chris Ford..9, Bob Nash

1977- Kent Benson, Indiana(Milwaukee)
2, Otis Birdsong
3, Marques Johnson(who they got anyway)
5, Walter Davis
7, Bernard King
8, Jack Sikma
DETROIT- 36, Ben Poquette

1989- Pervis Ellison, Louisville(Sacremento)
3, Sean Punk Elliot
4, Glen Rice
14, Tim Hardaway
17, Shawn Kemp
36, Cliff Robinson

2001- Kwame Brown, HS brat, Washington
3, Paul Gasol
5, Jason Richardson
10, Joe Johnson
13, Richard Jefferson
28, Tony Parker
31, Gilbert Arenas
DETROIT- Rodney White (25-Gerald Wallace)

1998- Mike Olawakandi, Pacific(LAC)
4, Antwon Jamison
5, Vince Carter
9, Dirk Nowitzki
10, Paul Pierce

DETROIT- 11,Bonzi Wells 40, Korleone Young
That 1998 draft where we just missed out on Nowitzki and Pierce was about as bad as missing out on Anthony, Bosh, Wade or Heinrich in 2003. Can you imagine if Pierce had been the starting SF the last 9 years , with Tay coming off the bench and everything else was constant??? we'd be going for number # six in a row now...

#2 Pick 1998 - Keith VanHorn
#1 pick 1999 - Olowokandi

Don't know if I'd call Van Horn a bust... he scored effectively, rebounded fairly well, made over $100 million during his career; sure, he was butter-soft and never a superstar, but of the players drafted after him only McGrady reached that level, and he was selected many picks later.

Here's my list of busts from the '97 to '06 draft classes:
1. Nikoloz Tskitishvili
2. Darko Milicic
3. Kwame Brown
4. Adam Morrison
5. Shelden Williams
6. Drew Gooden
7. Stromile Swift
8. Darius Miles
9. Raef LaFrentz
10. Tyrus Thomas

Honorable mentions include Andrea Bargnani, Jonathan Bender, Marcus Fizer, Jay Williams, Michael Olowokandi, Mike Dunleavy, and Seinfeld Harris.

Biggest busts?

Dolly Parton.

Mike Dunleavy

Have you followed him this season in Indiana? He is perhaps their most consistent player. His numbers have been outstanding.

Don't know if I'd call Van Horn a bust... he scored effectively, rebounded fairly well, made over $100 million during his career; sure, he was butter-soft and never a superstar, but of the players drafted after him only McGrady reached that level, and he was selected many picks later.

Here's my list of busts from the '97 to '06 draft classes:
1. Nikoloz Tskitishvili
2. Darko Milicic
3. Kwame Brown
4. Adam Morrison
5. Shelden Williams
6. Drew Gooden
7. Stromile Swift
8. Darius Miles
9. Raef LaFrentz
10. Tyrus Thomas

Honorable mentions include Andrea Bargnani, Jonathan Bender, Marcus Fizer, Jay Williams, Michael Olowokandi, Mike Dunleavy, and Seinfeld Harris.

I would substitute Oden for Morrison. At least Morrison got one full year in before spending a year on R & R.

Gooden did not live up to expectations as a #4 pick but with a career ave of 12 ppg and 8 rpg he is definitely not a bust.

All of these guys were top 12 picks which means that should have become very good players. Some were bigger busts than others but all of them returned a lot less value for their draft position than one would expect.

Antonio Daniels - 1997 4th pick
Oliver Saint-Jean - 1997 11th pick
Jonathan Bender - 1999 5th pick
Trajan Langdon - 1999 11th pick
Marcus Fizer - 2000 4th pick
Jerome Moiso - 2000 11th pick
DeSagana Diop - 2001 8th pick
Kedrick Brown - 2001 11th pick
Dajuan Wagner - 2002 6th pick
Mike Sweetney - 2003 9th pick
Rafael Araujo - 2004 8th pick
Luke Jackson - 2004 10th pick
Fran Vasquez - 2005 11th pick
Yaroslav Korolev - 2005 12th pick
Randy Foye - 2006 7th pick
Patrick O'Bryant - 2006 9th pick
Muhamed Sene - 2006 10th pick
Greg Oden - 2007 1st pick

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I would substitute Oden for Morrison. At least Morrison got one full year in before spending a year on R & R.
I didn't include anyone from this year's draft class; that would be premature, although I have my suspicions that Oden won't be as good as he was billed. I included Morrison because he's a lousy player without much upside, and he was picked ahead of Brandon Roy and Randy Foye, who are not only currently much superior players at the wing guard position but have more room to grow.
Gooden did not live up to expectations as a #4 pick but with a career ave of 12 ppg and 8 rpg he is definitely not a bust.I agree that he's a borderline case, but his and Dunleavy's being picked ahead of Stoudemire and Butler makes it questionable to me.

I didn't bother to go past the top 5 picks from each class, but surely there are many more when you look at the entirely lottery. As for Antonio Daniels, the same reasoning as with Keith Van Horn applies. That was just a lousy draft, and the few gems are scattered fairly randomly.

Biggest busts?

Dolly Parton.

Too much plastic........Gotta go old school with.......
Jayne Mansfield or Anita Ekberg........

I didn't include anyone from this year's draft class; that would be premature, although I have my suspicions that Oden won't be as good as he was billed. I included Morrison because he's a lousy player without much upside, and he was picked ahead of Brandon Roy and Randy Foye, who are not only currently much superior players at the wing guard position but have more room to grow.
I agree that he's a borderline case, but his and Dunleavy's being picked ahead of Stoudemire and Butler makes it questionable to me.

I didn't bother to go past the top 5 picks from each class, but surely there are many more when you look at the entirely lottery. As for Antonio Daniels, the same reasoning as with Keith Van Horn applies. That was just a lousy draft, and the few gems are scattered fairly randomly.

I can see your position on Morrison but I think he will improve a lot. He only played one year before his injury this year. A lot of guys that are big time scorers in college have trouble shooting a high percentage in their rookie year. Durant is shooting only about 40%.

I think you are using bust rather broadly. I would not call someone a bust just because someone drafted behind them turned out to a much better player. That is a GM draft choice bust, not necessarily a player bust. But if you are looking at it from a GM making a choice then I would agree.

But then I am sure that almost every player taken ahead of Boozer could be considered a bust. Many players taken ahead of Milsap could be considered a bust using the GM approach. So on and so forth.

I can see limiting it to top five picks, because those are the guys that are supposed to difference makers.

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