Portland Feb. 8th, 8:00 PM

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The young and talented Blazers pay a visit to the Palace in an attempt to sweep the season series. The Blazers defeated the Pistons 102-94 back in November. Portland is 28-20, that is good enough for the 10th seed in the Western Conference. That record would place them as the 4th seed in the Eastern Conference at the time of this post.

I wish these games were in the afternoon. It would work better with my student schedule.

not with my work schedule though. :) 2 games in a row to be at the palace, hopefully the weather will be fine and the game will be better than wednesday.

I wish these games were in the afternoon. It would work better with my student schedule.

I wish they could play the first half during my lunch break and then play the 2nd half around 6:30 pm. That would work better for me.

I wish that this game was played in Los Angeles. That would work best for me.

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I wish they could play the first half during my lunch break and then play the 2nd half around 6:30 pm. That would work better for me.

I'm not sure this would work, BL. At least for this game. Portland fans would have to watch the first half around 9 a.m.

I'm not sure this would work, BL. At least for this game. Portland fans would have to watch the first half around 9 a.m.

You know, I'm not really concerned about the Portland fan.

Most of the games are played either i'm on my way to work or just started work. Sometimes at midnite when i'm half asleep. What bout that? And I ain't complaining.

Miami game was from 1.30 - 4.00 AM for me (CET - 6h diff.)...

I hope, you all understand now, why I hate Flip so much.:)

H-U-G-E game tonight!!! Is it possible to put more than 3 players on the inactive list? I would only dress 8 tonight if that were possible - the starters, Max, Stuckey and Brezec. I would fill the remaining roster spots with giant tubes of Icy Hot and Ace bandages.

Is Roy even playing?

H-U-G-E game tonight!!! Is it possible to put more than 3 players on the inactive list? I would only dress 8 tonight if that were possible - the starters, Max, Stuckey and Brezec. I would fill the remaining roster spots with giant tubes of Icy Hot and Ace bandages.

Bezec is terrible. His only value as a basketball player is that he is tall and has some decent weight.

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Bezec is terrible. His only value as a basketball player is that he is tall and has some decent weight.



Primo averaged 13 points and 7 boards in 2005 when he was the starting center for the Bobcats.

Primo averaged 13 points and 7 boards in 2005 when he was the starting center for the Bobcats.

Steroids.

There it is. Somebody had to say it.

Primo averaged 13 points and 7 boards in 2005 when he was the starting center for the Bobcats.

The touch, the hustle, the size, the overall grace of Primo Brezec's game!!! Joe Dumars might as well have started minting Larry O'Brien trophies when he pulled off that deal.

Primoz has been sandbagging from what I've heard. All indications are that he could have a breakout game against the Blazers. Look for at least a double triple...3 points, 3 boards.

Primoz has been sandbagging from what I've heard. All indications are that he could have a breakout game against the Blazers. Look for at least a double triple...3 points, 3 boards.

I heard it was league mandated sandbagging. Don't forget his 3 fouls too.....

Primo averaged 13 points and 7 boards in 2005 when he was the starting center for the Bobcats.

This is the Nazmo argument all over again.

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Primoz has been sandbagging from what I've heard. All indications are that he could have a breakout game against the Blazers. Look for at least a double triple...3 points, 3 boards.

Don't you mean a triple triple.

3 points
3 rebounds
3 dives out of bounds

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Don't you mean a triple triple.

3 points
3 rebounds
3 dives out of bounds

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Wow that made me laugh!

Primo averaged 13 points and 7 boards in 2005 when he was the starting center for the Bobcats.
And in 1995, I could drink a 6 pk of beer and eat two pizzas without gaining a pound.....

The touch, the hustle, the size, the overall grace of Primo Brezec's game!!! Joe Dumars might as well have started minting Larry O'Brien trophies when he pulled off that deal.

Exactly what I was thinking. And don't forget the genius of Flip Saunders. He is just waiting for the perfect time to unleash the Slovenian. Flip is sneaky like that. He might wait until August to do it.

All I know is it better not be as boring as the Miami game. I asked 'Horn if George had to keep poking him to keep him awake for the broadcast.:MusicBigGrin:

Flip can muck up tonight, and I think he will. Or, he could surprise me and play Amir, Afflalo, and Stuckey all some major minutes, while keeping the minutes of our starters down. I am not calling for Maxiell to get more than 15 minutes tonight, as he needs some rest himself along with our starters.


Another opportunity too to give Fabio a shot at some playing time.
But, as I started with, I doubt Flip gives a hoot about preparing for the playoffs. You know, getting your rotation ready to play. This involves two things. One, getting the right guys playing. Two, getting each of them sufficient time out there to get into NBA rythm.


On the first score, I would say we got mostly the right guys playing, although we have to explore other options at backup small forward, like Herrmann for instance. We can't just assume we are stuck with Hayes, not with his poor D.


On the second score, getting enough playing time for each guy who will be in your rotation, Flip is doing ok, not great though, with Stuckey. Remember him saying Stuckey had to play like 20 to 25 minutes a game, win or lose. He was right, and those kind of minutes should be happening for Stuckey.


To balance this, you also have to have at least 10 minutes for Afflalo. If Afflalo gets more, and Stuckey less, that is acceptable. I'd just say that the pair should get 30 minutes total between them minimum. This means that between Billups and Rip, they should average at most 33 minutes. (Or Hayes could lose his minutes to Afflalo.) The best way to go would be for Afflalo to average 15 minutes at backup small forward, and 7 minutes at shooting guard, while Stuckey gets 15 minutes at point and 8 minutes at shooting guard. (With Tay, Rip, and Billups each getting 33 minutes.)


If the above happens, all you got left to worry about is our big man rotation. Here is how it should go ideally. Samb 5 minutes. Amir 15 minutes. Maxy 20 minutes. Sheed 30 minutes. Dyess 26 minutes.
What would happen if all the above happened? Thats a nine man rotation, with the weakest link on defense being Dyess, who is not all that bad when playing lighter minutes. (A tenth man, Samb, would be involved, but not enough to call it a ten man rotation.) None of our starters would be tired for the playoffs. Our guys in the rotation would be prepared for the playoffs. Our depth would be solid, with Samb giving us a bit extra immunity to foul trouble, and a bit more of a shotblocking presence.


In the playoffs, the other two guys dressed would be Hayes and Herrmann. Each of these guys should get into game now and then, but not more than like every third game, and not more than maybe 6 minutes when they do play. Just enough to be involved a bit.



Now, when I write this game up later, you can bet I will concentrate on how Flip is preparing for the playoffs. How many points Rip or CB score tonight won't matter on bit toward playoff wins. If Sheed goes in the post a lot tonight, it won't help us one bit toward a playoff win. On the other hand, getting experience for our youth, or finding a different solution at backup small forward, now those things will translate into playoff wins, and I certainly hope many of you will join me in rooting for these very important things to happen.

Neither AJ or Afflalo aren't capable at SF position. Even for backup. Ask for Tay how hard this position is.

I do not believe in this "being tired during PO-s" anyway.

Neither AJ or Afflalo aren't capable at SF position. Even for backup. Ask for Tay how hard this position is.

I do not believe in this "being tired during PO-s" anyway.

You have your opinion on AJ and AA, but hey, do you think for a moment Hayes can handle the small forward position? So far this season, he is a doormat for the other team more than anything. Remember, the team he came from, Washington, used him primarily as a power forward, not a small forward. Note, I did say to give Hermann a shot at that position also. (Unfortunately, the ideal candidate, Mejia, took off to Europe)

In any case, we do have to try these other options before the trade deadline. Maybe we can trade for someone if none of the guys on our team can do the job.

Chat is open!!!

http://www.pistonsforum.com/misc.php?do=flashchat

Something may be afoot. Is this post long enough. If you want explanation, I will have to refer you to the other board.

Primo averaged 13 points and 7 boards in 2005 when he was the starting center for the Bobcats.

and they were 18-31..... lots of players can put up numbers on bad teams, but can't do anything on good teams... he's not in the cards here.

Best half of the season!

This is the reason i get so frustrated when AA/Amir are given no PT. They're fantastic!

Afflalo is the reason we can stop dribble penetration. Do you know how huge that will be in the PO's??

At the start of the 1st quarter, I was a FTFF (foul trouble fan first) for Dice and/or Sheed. I love Max to death, but Amir is by far more talented.

Sheed/Stuckey/Afflalo/Amir/Prince. No one could score (well barely) against that lineup. That combo even makes Hayes look good in Prince's spot.

It's hard to not think this is a championship team when you see the bench play consistently. Also Stuckey continues to impress. Looks like all he needed was a little time to adjustment.

Loved Sheed running the offense with the young guns! Stuckey is like a rodent that can squeeze through any hole!

How about 10 guys all playing between 20 and 27 minutes? That's quite a box score. Weird that the bench was so bad in the 4th quarter (outscored 25-10), but they sure dominated that 2nd period!

How about 10 guys all playing between 20 and 27 minutes? That's quite a box score. Weird that the bench was so bad in the 4th quarter (outscored 25-10), but they sure dominated that 2nd period!

yea as much as people want to get on the starters for not bringing it, i am sorta disapointed that the bench didn't play as well in the 2nd half as they did in the first....

BUT..... Very happy overall with the game... just curious if all the folks that can find fault with anything a starter does or one of the old bench folks will use the same fine comb with the bench players in the 2nd half or will they find every excuse to justify it....


But I wonder when was the last team had 10 players get atleast 20 mins in a game.

The bench most have thought it was garbage tiime in the 4th qtr with the big lead and slunk back to their old habits.... They did look good in the second though to put the game away.

Seven straight wins now and a potential looking at the schedule to win six more to extend the streak to 13 and possibly over take the C's...

The bench most have thought it was garbage tiime in the 4th qtr with the big lead and slunk back to their old habits.... They did look good in the second though to put the game away.

Seven straight wins now and a potential looking at the schedule to win six more to extend the streak to 13 and possibly over take the C's...

They also weren't playing with Sheed in the 4th, but yea it looked like they slacked. Disjointed, and not really running anything. The PORT bench hustled, and the bench looked confused for a minute there.

As for overtaking the Celt's, not if they keep winning games like they did tonight. 2nd heartbreaker for MIN, should've won both games.

That was a great win.

"Stuckey to Amir!" is something I hope we hear often and for a long long time :)

It was announced before the game that this was going to happen. After the game, it was strongly hinted that this was just the start. Got to love it. The starters rested. The bench developed. And oh, we completely blew away a team that beat us earlier in the season.


Knowing how the game was going to go before it started, I was about as excited as a guy can get about a sports event right from the tipoff. I enjoyed the heck out of watching this game.


The game started out slow, with Billup getting us all our early points. Portland was getting too many offensive boards while our guys could not get a rebound at all. Typical for our starters. But then Sheed got a 2nd foul, and a very high energy player came in are righted the ship. Jason Maxiell quietly started winning this one, just like he has for several of the recent games. Hard to notice. Its not his scoring. Not even his own rebounding a lot of the time. Its the energy he brings. Its the major attention the other team has to pay to him to keep him away from the O boards. Its his highly active defense.


Afflalo joined him soon enough. An excellent defensive player, he just accelerated the slaughter of Portland. Afflalo, in that decisive 2nd quarter, and late first quarter, played solid D, helped a lot with the ball handling chores, and made about 3 cuts to the basket for scores. A darn good game by him, another player who has been heavily responsible for our wins of late.


And then Dyess got his 2nd foul, and in comes Amir. When we let him play, what do we get? Yes, thats right, winning basketball. Yet another bench player who of late has been helping us win games. Amir was all over on D, hitting the offensive boards, and playing some pretty good individual defense when not guarding Aldredge. Now, Aldredge is pretty good, but don't think that just because he scored on Amir a few times means Amir can't gaurd him. It takes experience to guard a guy like Aldredge. Amir started his education tonight. He has a long way to go but meanwhile we will take those active feet on defense. Amir's highlight by the way had to be his slam back on a missed free throw.


Hayes did well. Scored plenty and did not get burnt on defense much that I noticed anyway. Herrmann got in during garbage time. The guy hustles, but is quite slow on defense. Having him and Hayes in was not good. (Then we added Brezec for the last couple of minutes and got real slow out there.) But hey, we had a huge lead and the game never got that close. Anyway, watching Hayes and Herrmann side by side, my impression is that no way Herrmann beats out Hayes for playing time. Herrman is just slow. Hayes ain't that quick, but he is still considerbly quicker than Herrmann.


Stuck got a career high 13. He hit some jumpers, got to the line driving inside, and got to the basket a few times. Quite impressive, and his defense and rebounding skills leave little to be desired. This is a guard that plays big.


Our bench had their bench outscored 24-0 at one point in the 2nd quarter.


Got to give a shout out to Sheed, the guy who played with our subs most of that 2nd quarter as we plowed Portland about 40 feet under. Sheed for a while just guarded Aldrege, and that was all we really needed him for. He did hit a triple or two also in that quarter before it was done.


The only question in the 2nd half was could our starters hold a lead. They did not have to, as Flip brought in Maxiell with all his energy real early in the quarter. Rip hit some shots.


Billups got 17 in that first quarter, and thats it. He did not play in the 2nd nor 4th quarters. With Billups also gettng 3 assists early, he accounted for all but 2 of our first 24 points. Blake started for Portland and just could not begin to check CB. (Roy was out due to family issues he had to deal with, and Jack had to guard Rip.)


Dyess had a flurry of offensive boards after Maxiell came into the game and drew some attention. Tay hit a shot or two and played his usual fine D.


OK, like I said last week, before Amir got cut down to virtually no minutes for a couple of games, if we stay on the course set tonight, we will win a championship. I think Joe Dumars made it abundantly clear how he wants things to go the rest of the season, and just maybe Flip will stop rebelling from this point and start repeating what we just saw. Mind you, again, I am about as excited right now about the Pistons as I can possibly get, cause I just can't fathom how Flip could possibly muck up any more after everyone just saw how darn good our young players are. Still, to anyone with some doubt yet, I do understand. Only by this type of behaviour from Flip actually continuing going forward can all doubt be removed.


GO PISTONS!!!!!

Stuckey

minutes 24
assists 4
turnovers 0

Got to love it. Anytime you can get 24 minutes from a rookie point guard without a turnover that is pretty amazing.

As he gets more experience his assists per game will go up.

If he a couple of 20 + scoring games this year it wouldn't surprise me.

AJ was + 23 at half time. 25 minutes. That has to the most he has played in a game since the last game of the year against Boston, except for maybe the last game in the LVS last summer. I am sure he was tired at the end. The same for Stuckey. He hadn't played 24 minutes in a game since the exhibition season.

All these minutes are good all the way around.

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From nba.com/Pistons


Big-Time Bursts – Amir Johnson’s highlight reel wouldn’t take long to play – not so much because his playing time is limited, but because his best moments play out in a nanosecond. Example: Chauncey Billups misses a free throw late in the first quarter, but Johnson scoots around Portland’s LaMarcus Aldridge like he’s got a booster rocket strapped to his backside for an easy tip-in. It’s that type of explosive athleticism that makes Johnson an effective player now even though he remains a raw product in so many areas. He had other moments, too – blocking a Jarrett Jack shot and catching it in mid-air and taking a too-high lob pass from Stuckey that hit the backboard, gathering it in and hanging in the air long enough to slam it home. Johnson finished with 10 points, six boards, three blocked shots and two assists.


SAUNDERS: “The most impressive thing he did tonight was when he dove on the floor for a loose ball. That was impressive. He can do things athletically; we all know that. When a guy dives on the floor like that, it shows he’s really in tune to playing and he’s given up his body. For me, what he’s done over the last two weeks, that impressed me as much as anything.

Rod The Bod – No, not Stewart – Stuckey. What’s been especially noticeable over the past few weeks as Stuckey has grown in confidence and begun taking the ball to the basket more assertively is what a physical mismatch he is for the majority of point guards. In the recent home stand, guards like Jordan Farmar, J.J. Barea and everybody Portland threw at him on Friday night has bounced off Stuckey when he gets into them and draws contact. As he learns the nuances of leverage and timing, he has the physical tools to be a devastating weapon near the basket against overwhelmed opponents.


STUCKEY: “Just being aggressive. That’s what I am; that’s what I do. When I’m in there, I just try to beat my defender. And if I beat him, I beat him.”

STUCKEY: “Me and Amir are going to be here for a long time, so we’ve got to get that chemistry going as soon as possible. The more we get playing with each other, the better we’re going to be.”

PISTONS: Pistons 91, Portland 82 (http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/PORDET_080208_recap.html)

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That last quote from Stuckey elicits a HELL YES from me

That last quote from Stuckey elicits a HELL YES from me

Me too. I missed this one, but I'm happy the young guys played so well.

Good insightful LeeCap as per usual, too.

I's happy enough...
4th qtr was attrocious...
Two years ago, I said Sheed as a 6th man would make us unbeatable, well....
Dont want to finish 1st in conference, because the top 4 seeds are a lock:
1. celts
2, pistons
3. magic
4. cavs
if pistons finish 1st, they will go 1 vs 8, vs 4, vs 2. Or possibly Bulls-Cavs-Celts to get to Finals instead of 2 vs 7, 3-6 and THEN Cavs or celts.

WE'RE NUMBER 2!!! WE'RE NUMBER 2!!

Well DET won a game but lost the battle of playoff preparation by waiting until there was only 1:17 left to bring in Brezec. If they're not going to play him meaningful minutes, they might as well ship him out for a few second rounders. I'd like to see DET stockpile at least 10 picks for round 2 in 2009.

I too liked the bench play. I too like the unique skills they can offer. I see an exceptionally deep team, but I want more. When I watched the bench play almost all of the second quarter, I saw the reason they don't play more consistently. Flip is not a mix and matcher. If it is going good he won't touch it. If the starters got it going, he's not touching them. The fact that the bench can produce won't matter some nights. Flip has tried some things this year, things that haven't worked out. I am OK with that. I can't help but think though when the teams got it going deep like this, how much more fun the long season could have been.

Watching the 4th this game brought back memories of watching the bench struggle to close out blowouts the last few years. Charlotte is next. DET's bench got sidelined the last time these two met which started the January abyss.

Well DET won a game but lost the battle of playoff preparation by waiting until there was only 1:17 left to bring in Brezec. If they're not going to play him meaningful minutes, they might as well ship him out for a few second rounders. I'd like to see DET stockpile at least 10 picks for round 2 in 2009.


Brezec and the Aryn bomber will both be gone before Oct 1st replaced by our 1st round pick and possibly our 2nd round pick or a mid cap exception signing or possibly via a trade.

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I's happy enough...
4th qtr was attrocious...
Two years ago, I said Sheed as a 6th man would make us unbeatable, well....
Dont want to finish 1st in conference, because the top 4 seeds are a lock:
1. celts
2, pistons
3. magic
4. cavs
if pistons finish 1st, they will go 1 vs 8, vs 4, vs 2. Or possibly Bulls-Cavs-Celts to get to Finals instead of 2 vs 7, 3-6 and THEN Cavs or celts.

WE'RE NUMBER 2!!! WE'RE NUMBER 2!!

I've been maintaining all season that #2 will be the best seed. I have to re-check the CLE/ORL gap, but if CLE starts gaining and ORL starts choking, then we're in trouble. Until then i have no problem rooting for BOS if need be.

Me too. I missed this one, but I'm happy the young guys played so well.

Good insightful LeeCap as per usual, too.

Thanks for the props.

Well DET won a game but lost the battle of playoff preparation by waiting until there was only 1:17 left to bring in Brezec. If they're not going to play him meaningful minutes, they might as well ship him out for a few second rounders. I'd like to see DET stockpile at least 10 picks for round 2 in 2009.

I too liked the bench play. I too like the unique skills they can offer. I see an exceptionally deep team, but I want more. When I watched the bench play almost all of the second quarter, I saw the reason they don't play more consistently. Flip is not a mix and matcher. If it is going good he won't touch it. If the starters got it going, he's not touching them. The fact that the bench can produce won't matter some nights. Flip has tried some things this year, things that haven't worked out. I am OK with that. I can't help but think though when the teams got it going deep like this, how much more fun the long season could have been.

Watching the 4th this game brought back memories of watching the bench struggle to close out blowouts the last few years. Charlotte is next. DET's bench got sidelined the last time these two met which started the January abyss.


Bench b4 4th q played well - there was absolutely no reason to "mix it" Same with starters. Coaches work isn't mix for keeping fans "excited", their work is to find winning formulas. OK from fans perspective it is nice to think that their teams have plans from A-Y but in a real life players skills are limited and you have to take it into consideration too.

Coaches see their players in practices every day and surely they try there various things. Relax.

do you know why i'm upset about this game? because after i got home from the palace, i waited for FSN to replay the game so i could tape the 2nd quarter and hear blaha get all excited and everything. i fell asleep and woke up at the start of the 3rd quarter. dangit.

but that was awesome to watch live, the crowd was excited, the pistons were excited, stuckey attacked the basket, afflalo made hard cuts for open layups, hayes played within himself, amir was an animal, chauncey dominated. can you see the advantage now of stuckey being 6'5" ? he can dominate smaller PGs the way chauncey has done over his career. i don't have much else to say - you all saw it. it was the most excited i've been at a pistons game this year.

do you know why i'm upset about this game? because after i got home from the palace, i waited for FSN to replay the game so i could tape the 2nd quarter and hear blaha get all excited and everything. i fell asleep and woke up at the start of the 3rd quarter. dangit.

but that was awesome to watch live, the crowd was excited, the pistons were excited, stuckey attacked the basket, afflalo made hard cuts for open layups, hayes played within himself, amir was an animal, chauncey dominated. can you see the advantage now of stuckey being 6'5" ? he can dominate smaller PGs the way chauncey has done over his career. i don't have much else to say - you all saw it. it was the most excited i've been at a pistons game this year.

Thats ruff waiting for the FSN re-broadcast at 3am.

Yes it was a very exciting game. Right on the very 1st defensive sequence I knew it was going to be a good game because the starters were all over it. No standing around or slow starts in this one. Starters built up a nice lead which allowed the bench to play extended mins. Props to Saunders for managing the mins so well.

4 of our own draft picks comprise the bench now. Used to be that we did not have a single home grown pick in the rotation, now we have 5.

Great games by really all the subs. Amir started the 1st half great, kind of slowed down in the 2nd half until that ball dive which impressed Saunders. That defiently earned him some PT. He may even surpass Maxiel in the lineup before the end of the season.

Nice plays by Stucky. He gets in to the hoop fairly easily and is just not finishing yet. Imagine when he will, could have had over 20 points last night.

17 1st quarter points by Billups is the season high for a quarter. I am not sure what the all-time record is or if that tied it. Billups did not score since that, I guess he did not need to.

Pistons have quietly established a 7 game winning streak.

Something may be afoot. Is this post long enough. If you want explanation, I will have to refer you to the other board.
Never dance with the devil in the pale moonlight.

Well DET won a game but lost the battle of playoff preparation by waiting until there was only 1:17 left to bring in Brezec. If they're not going to play him meaningful minutes, they might as well ship him out for a few second rounders. I'd like to see DET stockpile at least 10 picks for round 2 in 2009.
I agree. I'm giving up on this team. 7 game winning streaks are meaningless if we can't get Primoz 6 quality minutes every game. :nerd2:

Never dance with the devil in the pale moonlight.


I agree. I'm giving up on this team. 7 game winning streaks are meaningless if we can't get Primoz 6 quality minutes every game. :nerd2:

Don't you mean the next Shaq?

Never dance with the devil in the pale moonlight.


I agree. I'm giving up on this team. 7 game winning streaks are meaningless if we can't get Primoz 6 quality minutes every game. :nerd2:
:pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: pant pant pant :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound:

Never dance with the devil in the pale moonlight.


I agree. I'm giving up on this team. 7 game winning streaks are meaningless if we can't get Primoz 6 quality minutes every game. :nerd2:

There are no such thing as quality minutes as far as Brezec goes in the NBA.

He belongs in Europe where he can play and a make an impact with a second level team.

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Flip can muck up tonight, and I think he will.


Looks like you wrong with that pre-game comment.

There are no such thing as quality minutes as far as Brezec goes in the NBA.

He belongs in Europe where he can play and a make an impact with a second level team.

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I don't think he's that limited -- I think a higher tempo full court offense team might find him completely useful, maybe even more than useful.

Heck he might be better in Golden State than Webber will be :nerd2:

Looks like you wrong with that pre-game comment.

Dude, I corrected it later, before the game started. Sorry if you missed that.

Dude, I corrected it later, before the game started. Sorry if you missed that.


I just read all of the posts made before the game. I don't see what you're talking about, dude.

I don't think he's that limited -- I think a higher tempo full court offense team might find him completely useful, maybe even more than useful.

Heck he might be better in Golden State than Webber will be :nerd2:

He has some ability but that would apply only if he were playing for a lottery team. I don't think he is good enough to be able to play for a playoff team, except maybe the 7th or 8th seed in the East. LOL

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He has some ability but that would apply only if he were playing for a lottery team. I don't think he is good enough to be able to play for a playoff team, except maybe the 7th or 8th seed in the East. LOL

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you mean the 2 team in the east that lose the lottery and are forced to be in the playoffs lol scary at some of the records of teams still in the playoff race.

you mean the 2 team in the east that lose the lottery and are forced to be in the playoffs lol scary at some of the records of teams still in the playoff race.

Thats good I like that.

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I just read all of the posts made before the game. I don't see what you're talking about, dude.

See page 3. I can't see how you can miss it. I will talk of it no further.

See page 3. I can't see how you can miss it. I will talk of it no further.

Dude!



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See page 3. I can't see how you can miss it. I will talk of it no further.


Oh, dude, you were talking about when you said:

Something may be afoot. Is this post long enough. If you want explanation, I will have to refer you to the other board.


I guess I didn't put it all together that your post actually meant, "I screwed up in my original post. I actually do not think Flip Saunders will muck it up tonight."

dooo-hooood!:pound: