Orlando Feb 19 7:30PM

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Yes the next game is the 19th.

I plan to be there. Not definite yet though.

I give it a difficulty rating of 9.0
division leader, good coach, home pressure to perform

I give it a difficulty rating of 9.0
division leader, good coach, home pressure to perform

Flip as a coach increases diffculty rating for Pistons, true

I plan to be there. Not definite yet though.

I will be at the game.

I give it a difficulty rating of 9.0
division leader, good coach, home pressure to perform

I say more like a 2. Look, Orlando has not beat us in like a century or so. Ain't happening this time either.

I say more like a 2. Look, Orlando has not beat us in like a century or so. Ain't happening this time either.

As long as Howard doesn't wear his Superman cape, we should be okay...

I say more like a 2. Look, Orlando has not beat us in like a century or so. Ain't happening this time either.

Say what?

They just beat us in Orlando

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Say what?

They just beat us in Orlando

:hoops:

Maybe Lee is saying we beat ourselves in that game in Orlando??

2 pt loss due to some bad defense?

Hopefully our momentum doesn't take a hit during the All star break

Say what?

They just beat us in Orlando

:hoops:

You are quite right. Ok, but that was a total fluke. lol. It was no fluke. That was our 4th loss in 5 games. Kind of hard to imagine at the moment since we have won 10 straight since that game.

I have been reviewing the Toronto game, our last win before the loss to Orlando. Man did the team look tired. (Except for Billups, who had been getting plenty of rest from Stuckey at that point.)

I think its safe to say that the result will be very different that what happened in Orlando. We have added another player to the rotation since then and Stucky has found his game. Orlando will basically have to re-scout the whole 2nd unit.

I think its safe to say that the result will be very different that what happened in Orlando. We have added another player to the rotation since then and Stucky has found his game. Orlando will basically have to re-scout the whole 2nd unit.

What good would that do them?

They have no second unit.

Oh you mean our second unit.

I think you've got a point there.

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I say more like a 2. Look, Orlando has not beat us in like a century or so. Ain't happening this time either.

You never believe, 'til you see it: Lee has become complacent!! Who's next?

A 2. ? That's total disrespect.
Just to beat them at home CB needed to walk before draining a walk off 3.
I'll go 8.9 just like the Hawks game when they took a late lead before CB chilled them out with 10, 4th Q pts.

I plan to be there. Not definite yet though.

ditto. i be there.

You know all-star weekend is boring when there are two pages of posts in tuesday nights yet to be played gamethread.

You know all-star weekend is boring when there are two pages of posts in tuesday nights yet to be played gamethread.

Rivers played the bench tonight and kept our Big 3's minutes to under 20 each.

They played about 18 minutes each which should be enough to prevent any rust from setting in from last week until Tuesday.

Thanks Doc, appreciate your help.

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Rivers played the bench tonight and kept our Big 3's minutes to under 20 each.

They played about 18 minutes each which should be enough to prevent any rust from setting in from last week until Tuesday.

Thanks Doc, appreciate your help.

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Then he took the team out for drinks.....TNT doesnt tell you that part :pound:


Chauncey , Rip and Rasheed are tanked on Jamaican Rum right now

Then he took the team out for drinks.....TNT doesnt tell you that part :pound:


Chauncey , Rip and Rasheed are tanked on Jamaican Rum right now

Nothing wrong there especially if blended with some Big Easy Smooth Jazz.

Smooth Drinks and Smooth Jazz, makes a Fine and Mellow evening.

YouTube - Billie Holiday - Fine and Mellow (1957) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tNSp7MaADM)

YouTube - billie holiday & louis armstrong - do you know what it means (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROEWiNsb754&feature=related)

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Nothing wrong there especially if blended with some Big Easy Smooth Jazz.

Smooth Drinks and Smooth Jazz, makes a Fine and Mellow evening.

YouTube - Billie Holiday - Fine and Mellow (1957) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tNSp7MaADM)

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I'm a Sam Cooke guy myself.


I hear him all over the place in the artists he has influenced over the years.

Still wish they would solve his murder though.

I'm a Sam Cooke guy myself.


I hear him all over the place in the artists he has influenced over the years.

Still wish they would solve his murder though.

I hear ya. He had a very nice voice and style. I have wondered from time to time if the writer of the movie "The Two Jakes" got the idea for having a guy murdered in a motel room while messing with another man's wife from what happened to Cooke.

Myself I don't mix female and male singers,

Male singers are okay but my favorites are female.

I enjoy male musicians and female singers.

That is just my thing.

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Chat is open!

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Superman can't beat us by himself. Just shut down Hedoman and we got this.. :rockon:

Ugly game. Starters were hot early, but our bench got beat up by theirs. The Magic got in a good rhythm, and the Pistons couldn't match that or their energy. All those 3 balls were killer. Too many wide open looks. Jack Nies didn't really help, but the Pistons let the calls that weren't in their favor get in their heads. Never a good thing. This was a team loss if there ever was one. They just got cold for too long a stretch, and Orlando was hot.

But there were some positives. Sheed looked good before the foul trouble, Rip and Tay as well, at least initially. Chauncey apparently has a tweaked ankle from the ASG (:ill:), but he too was good at first. Dice looked VERY good on the rebounding end.

Stuckey - Not the best game for him. But he did have some good drives and dishes.

Amir - Blocked some shots in his first 2 minutes, got a couple dunks at the end. His most non-descript game in a while.

Max - Very good for a while, looking much more like himself. But Orlando's jumpshooting bigs are difficult, even for him.

Afflalo - Not there for him offensively. The D was fine, but he didn't play all that well on the other end.

The offense got stagnant in the second, and it stayed that way. The 10 game win streak comes to an end in embarrassing fashion, but the Stones can't wallow in it, since they'll be facing a Bucks team looking for some payback tomorrow.

I think Herrmann showed as much energy as any other Piston.

I think Herrmann showed as much energy as any other Piston.

Oh yeah, I forgot about him. He's fun to watch. Flip should try playing him in Jarvis' place when J's not hitting. He's been playing at the 4, where there's no room. He should play the 3.

Edit: Did Brezec get in? I didn't watch the end of the game.

I didn't watch much of this one, but it looked like the 3rd quarter where they were outscored by 14 sealed their doom.

I didn't watch it either (looks like i should be happy about that).

But Flip was cursing a mile a minute in his post-game. He said %%%%, and various forums of the word.

I think he's missing his Mo Evans, and probably upset he had such a good game. :)

Superman can't beat us by himself. Just shut down Hedoman and we got this.. :rockon:
Well we stopped Superman and Hedoman, but no one could stop the 3 point men!!!

Here are the key meaning less stats of the game.

The obvious of course is the descrepancy in the three ball where the Pistons were outscored 39-6 as the magic hit 13-20 from beyond the arc to the Pistons anemic 2-14. The magic lead the league in 3's and the Pistons left them wide open as if they didn't know that stat.

Next the Pistons who pride themselves on ball movement ignored that practice after the first quarter. After logging 10 assists in the first qtr, they responded with 4 in the second, ZERO in the third and then three late dimes >all by Stuckey in the final seven minutes the game. They went almost 18 minutes with out an assist and scored only 27 points during that drought.

Last> both benches scored 37 points??? Well most of ours were scored in garbage time when the game was already decided. Credit their bench, specifically Bogens and Dooling for winning this one for them in the second qtr along perrennial bench man Mo Evans who has gained enough respect by Ron Jeremy to start.

Burn the tape and lets start a new streak before heading out west.

Got gas? I got a match. Looks like Island layover to me on this one. At this time, Denver is playing the big 3 tough (yes , KG is back)and eeking out a lead. Hope it holds.

ugly game. crowd was into it early but as soon as i saw jack nies i knew it was going to be a nauseating game, and the few calls early sucked. so did 30 seconds of waiting to change a blocking call into a charge. a few fans started booing, most cleared out early in the 4th quarter, and i sat back in my chair and relaxed. i think people miss darko because herrmann got an enormous ovation when he hit his 3-pointer. i'm talking everyone who was left put both hands in the air and screamed wildly.

anyway, the pistons lost their lead early in the 2nd quarter. they got about 3 or 5 points down and flip called a timeout. i turned to my buddy and said 'this is going to be a 15 to 20-point orlando lead in a few minutes', and sure enough i was right. you could just feel it. we weren't playing hard on defense, we weren't moving the ball on offense.

this was probably the worst game i've seen afflalo play. max was alright, and stuckey/amir worked on a new pass/dunk play.

i thought stuckey played well, although dooling actually defended him pretty tough. he's definitely getting played for the drive, and to his credit he's hitting a few outside shots that will help in the long-run. let's give him credit for not only finishing some tough plays around the basket, but getting to the line 8 times (the 9th was a technical) and making all 8 of those. at least someone was being aggressive! he even managed 4 assists.

sucky game all-around...at least the bw3 boneless wings tasted awesome.

I hate all start Game and All star Break. Period

oh yeah i almost forgot...the night was summed up perfectly when i witnessed a young couple wearing ben wallace and darko jerseys.

Flip lost this game in the 2nd quarter. First bad move, bringing back Rip with just 4 minutes rest. Next bad move. Playing Hayes at all, who could not even get near making an outside shot tonight. Unless the Pistons were giving him one last chance to prove something before the deadline, there was no reason at all to let him fire up so many bricks.
Next bad move. Amir comes out after just playing 6 minutes in the first half. Not enough.


There was some good. Stuckey was kept in the game the entire 2nd quarter. Thats a good thing. Stuckey ended up with a career high 16 points, half at the line.


You could tell Dyess had more energy, and used it to do well guarding Howard tonight. But on offense, no, his outside shooting helps us not one bit. This is Orlando. They play a center, and two small forwards. Why can't Dyess score inside vs. a small forward. Simple reason. He does not try. Yes, he did some inside work, but that is what he should be doing every minute in the game. By the way, Dyess starting probably helped us lose this one as much as anything. We needed more perimeter help. No way we ever needed more than one center in the game at a time since Orlando never played more than one big at a time.


Sheed was awesome on defense. But he can't do everything. The perimeter was left undefended all night long.


Tay was so so. Aggressive, yet not finishing.


Rip hit some shots. I don't know why he was taken out way early in the 3rd quarter. Anyone know?


Billups did a little damage going inside, but needed to do a lot more.


Afflalo needs to play a lot more, and jack up a ton of shots. A four minute stretch where he gets two shots is not enough.


Amir looked awesome enough when he came in. Here is another player who has to be fed the ball in the post about a hundred times. He should come in the game earlier, probably first off the bench for Dyess. (In fact, Amir should be starting, especially if we are playing Orlando.)
Maxiell always brings energy. He did in this game too. But hey, a perimeter player he is not.


It was still fun to be at the Palace cheering on the Pistons. At least until toward the end of the 3rd quarter when it was obvious we were getting blown out in this game. And then, it was still entertaining to watch guys like Amir and Stuckey get minutes.


Of note, regardless of how hopeless things seemed, Amir was not brought in early in the game. Why I can't begin to guess. Meanwhile, Orlando kept their starters out there for most of the garbage time 4th quarter. Considering our bench was playing their starters, they held their own well enough in that 4th quarter.


Herrmann did hit the one shot, but seriously, here too is a guy we need to let come into some games, several in a row, and jack up a bunch of shots. See what he can do. We certainly should have given up on Hayes by now. Its time to give someone else a chance.

We looked scared of Howard.

Sheed and Dyess never attempted anything in the post tonight. Maxiell got an isolation against Howard once (why?). Tay's shots inside were severely altered. The one drive where CB went in with confidence, he got volleyball blocked.

Shot blockers make a huge difference by deterring attempts.

The one positive was that we were playing Howard great on the other end. If Sheed stays in front of him, Howard's got no real game on O. Staying in front of him is not easy though. But he is very turnover prone when he has to put the ball on the floor.

I'm not sure Flip did much wrong here. I would have liked to see Amir get more minutes, as he was taken out with a 1 point lead and came back in when we were down 24. But other than that, our players just weren't guarding the 3-point line.

I didn't listen to the game and only followed part of it on Yahoo. Then I went out.

I had a bad feeling about this game. Maybe all day. Maybe that is why I woke up in a panicky mood. Something besides the article about Hunter sent off all kinds of bad vibes.

Oh well.

On to the next game.

I had a good time this evening when I went out, so it was a good choice.

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Saw this one coming. (See my recent post in the winning streak thread). Hold on boys and girls, these next 7 games are either going to be Nirvana or Ultimate Frustration..........no in between.

Flip's play calling is extremely frustrating at times. When the bench is in he calls iso's for Jarvis Hayes (Seriously... WTF), Tayshaun Prince trying to create off the dribble on the perimeter, etc. There were bad shots a plenty in this one. Stuckey was the only guy on the team looking to work for good shots rather than just hoist one up. Just give the guy the ball on every play and set a couple picks for him. There is your bench offense. You aren't going to get anything better no matter how many Tayshaun Iso's you run.

It seemed like the energy was all on our side when AJ/Max were our frontcourt. Then Flip swapped Max for Sheed and the team just fell flat. It doesn't help that Orlando was on fire, but I would have liked to see someone with a pulse outside of Stuckey and Walter.

Speaking of Walter... It's time to take a serious look at giving him the SF minutes over Jarvis. I have never seen a worse player take the kinds of shots he does. He takes Kobe shots with Mo Evans-type talent.

Speaking of Walter... It's time to take a serious look at giving him the SF minutes over Jarvis. I have never seen a worse player take the kinds of shots he does. He takes Kobe shots with Mo Evans-type talent.

Mo Evans played better than any Piston did last night.

Flip lost this game in the 2nd quarter. First bad move, bringing back Rip with just 4 minutes rest. Next bad move. Playing Hayes at all, who could not even get near making an outside shot tonight. Unless the Pistons were giving him one last chance to prove something before the deadline, there was no reason at all to let him fire up so many bricks.
Next bad move. Amir comes out after just playing 6 minutes in the first half. Not enough.


There was some good. Stuckey was kept in the game the entire 2nd quarter. Thats a good thing. Stuckey ended up with a career high 16 points, half at the line.


You could tell Dyess had more energy, and used it to do well guarding Howard tonight. But on offense, no, his outside shooting helps us not one bit. This is Orlando. They play a center, and two small forwards. Why can't Dyess score inside vs. a small forward. Simple reason. He does not try. Yes, he did some inside work, but that is what he should be doing every minute in the game. By the way, Dyess starting probably helped us lose this one as much as anything. We needed more perimeter help. No way we ever needed more than one center in the game at a time since Orlando never played more than one big at a time.


Sheed was awesome on defense. But he can't do everything. The perimeter was left undefended all night long.


Tay was so so. Aggressive, yet not finishing.


Rip hit some shots. I don't know why he was taken out way early in the 3rd quarter. Anyone know?


Billups did a little damage going inside, but needed to do a lot more.


Afflalo needs to play a lot more, and jack up a ton of shots. A four minute stretch where he gets two shots is not enough.


Amir looked awesome enough when he came in. Here is another player who has to be fed the ball in the post about a hundred times. He should come in the game earlier, probably first off the bench for Dyess. (In fact, Amir should be starting, especially if we are playing Orlando.)
Maxiell always brings energy. He did in this game too. But hey, a perimeter player he is not.


It was still fun to be at the Palace cheering on the Pistons. At least until toward the end of the 3rd quarter when it was obvious we were getting blown out in this game. And then, it was still entertaining to watch guys like Amir and Stuckey get minutes.


Of note, regardless of how hopeless things seemed, Amir was not brought in early in the game. Why I can't begin to guess. Meanwhile, Orlando kept their starters out there for most of the garbage time 4th quarter. Considering our bench was playing their starters, they held their own well enough in that 4th quarter.


Herrmann did hit the one shot, but seriously, here too is a guy we need to let come into some games, several in a row, and jack up a bunch of shots. See what he can do. We certainly should have given up on Hayes by now. Its time to give someone else a chance.

Sure wish Delfino was running with this second unit instead of Hayes. Can you imagine Stuckey, Fino and Amir on the break?

This Pistons lost, that is not a big deal. Based on their recent flameouts as well as my battered spouse syndrome, I don't want them winning the next 10 games in a row.

This game did magnify Flip's faults at not having a feel for the team though. Sheed came out with 4 fouls down 16-18 late in the 3rd. DET had nothing going on O and Flip brought Dyess (Team high in minutes) back in to team with Maxey. I think he should have gone with Amir. To me, he had the greatest chance of scoring easy buckets off the numerous missed shots. Flop seems to look at Amir's productivity as luck.

Why not bring in Hayes for Tay early in the 3rd to go with the starters? He might actually get open then?

Tay's free throws are getting Ben-like.

Please pick up a PG........

Mo Evans played better than any Piston did last night.

And HE sucks! Did you see the chest bump he did at one of the timeouts? Puuuuuullllllllleeeeeeeeeeese!

A 2.0 yea ?
But we lost
So I was correct the first time, it was a 9.0 !!!
MoMayhemEvan struck again...it was a 9.1 !!!
Where's AHB.

Who would've thought that if Hedo and Howard are shut down the Pistons would get blown out? Orlando got hot and stayed hot. Pistons didn't help themselves constantly leaving 3-point shooters wide open in their "sweet spots". And offense got stagnant. Looked like Orlando just packed the middle and left the outside shots available. However, Pistons kept running the ISOs and they are not a good ISO team, hence the result. I am not really upset at a loss as much as at limited minutes for AA and AJ and sticking with Hayes through thick and thin. Why in the world wouldn't they give some extra time to Hermann other than garbage minutes? How could it possiblly hurt. Judging by all the trade talks, Hermann is not on the trading block like Flip Jr. and Brezec, so it looks like team wants him to stick around. Then why not play him?

Why in the world wouldn't they give some extra time to Hermann other than garbage minutes? How could it possiblly hurt. Judging by all the trade talks, Hermann is not on the trading block like Flip Jr. and Brezec, so it looks like team wants him to stick around. Then why not play him?

They would need a coach to pull that one off........Flip would have trouble getting the '92 Dream Team minutes........

They would need a coach to pull that one off........Flip would have trouble getting the '92 Dream Team minutes........
Maybe it just takes time with Flip. The bench has been getting a lot more playing time as of late. We are finally getting our wish of seeing Amir play some meaningful minutes. Maybe Flip is getting ripened to play Hermann. We'll see.

Orlando is a better team with Arroyo on the bench. Their other bench guards torched us.

Maybe it just takes time with Flip. The bench has been getting a lot more playing time as of late. We are finally getting our wish of seeing Amir play some meaningful minutes. Maybe Flip is getting ripened to play Hermann. We'll see.

That's the problem. We ain't got time. If this guy presides over another playoff flameout, Piston fans will be calling for this guy's head, and they should be. Man, I wish Larry Brown hadn't been so in love with himself. Probably woulda had three titles by now with this bunch if Brown was still in charge -- and focused.

Mo Evans played better than any Piston did last night.

Because he stuck to his strengths. Spotting-up for threes, and the occasional easy bucket around the rim. Jarvis does not. He tries to create off the dribble and ends up forcing 3-4 terrible 20-foot fadeaways with a hand in his face. He should be playing the "Mo Evans" role. Stay ready for an open jumper and run the break. It stops there. The dude just thinks he's way better than he is, and frankly, I'm shocked that he gets away with the shots he takes. Any other coach would have him handcuffed to the bench.

That's the problem. We ain't got time. If this guy presides over another playoff flameout, Piston fans will be calling for this guy's head, and they should be. Man, I wish Larry Brown hadn't been so in love with himself. Probably woulda had three titles by now with this bunch if Brown was still in charge -- and focused.

I hope that I am wrong, but I will be very surprised if we win another title before we have a network media loved superstar.

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Because he stuck to his strengths. Spotting-up for threes, and the occasional easy bucket around the rim. Jarvis does not. He tries to create off the dribble and ends up forcing 3-4 terrible 20-foot fadeaways with a hand in his face. He should be playing the "Mo Evans" role. Stay ready for an open jumper and run the break. It stops there. The dude just thinks he's way better than he is, and frankly, I'm shocked that he gets away with the shots he takes. Any other coach would have him handcuffed to the bench.

Here is his shooting for his last 10 games:
3-9
3-6
2-5
3-6
2-6
3-5
4-7
2-6
5-6
1-3

In that span, he hit 11 3-pointers, grabbed 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 12 steals, 7 turnovers, and 13 PF's. He has had only 1 PF for 8 games in a row now.

That is an effective FG% of .568!

Are those the stats for a guy who is out of control?